The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[lkwdblds]

A little belated birthday entertainment for Johhny.

Johnny - Sorry, I just thought of this today, one day late but a little Marlene Dietriech tribute to you in the form of her famous song, "Johnny, wenn du geburstag hast" from her old recording days back in the Weimar Republic in Germany. There are no videos of Marlene herself singing it but the woman who does sing it represents Marlene well and does a fabulous job.

She is telling, Johnny that when his has his birthday, whe will come and be his guest for the entire night and that she is always thinking and dreaming of him. Check out the other two numbers on the video. I love the third song about the chic Lola, the darling of the season, who has a pianola at home in her salon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSoZ2lApSMY

Lakey

 

[Ted]

For Facey

As usual, Carmelo, your uncommon common sense makes sense.

Thanks, Rog…what you say is very sensible and well thought, as is what MAB and Ted have said.

I’m gonna throw some “of the wall” stuff up “on the wall”. 1, 2, 3….etc.

I do not claim to have any special reality or insight …quite the contrary…the one thing I am certain about is, in the grand scheme of things, how little I am certain of. Nothing that follows is intended as “personal” to or about any of y’all, so please don’t personalize anything I say. I am, however, telling some fairly “personal” stuff so please remember; I did not come here to lecture and pontificate…I’m here to dialogue and learn.

I’ve re-read the following several times and, after several hours of contemplation, have decided to “let ‘er buck!”

1. I do not doubt that others here are truthful and correct that they have had interaction with El Ron post ’86.

2. I had my own “perceptions” and “stuff” re: El Ron pre and post ’86 which, over time, have resulted in my own personal “take”.

3. I have permanently resolved nothing per se and this “take” is why I’m “agnostic”, one way or the other, re: El Ron “The Great Being” or Hisself’s current activities, “wellbeing” and “whereabouts”.

4. I’ve already commented regarding some of my comments to Carmelo.

5. I also commented to Carmelo that, in my view, El Ron got caught-up in some real nasty “shit” with some real nasty “folks” and “stuff’ and was, off and on, a “dupe”…a willing puppet if you will.

6. Some “literally”, and a lot “figuratively”, I find Mystic’s “Tulpa” take to have some merit.

7. I saw El Ron exhibit wide, discordant variances of “persona” and beingness. It was real spooky…the “energy” I perceived at times from Hisself “felt” to me as though it was not emanating from Hisself but via Hisself.

8. For anyone in “theta comm” or whatever comm with El Ron, I wouldn’t trust an f’n thing ya “hear”. Panda posted a brilliant observation over on the “Thumbnail Sketch thread:

“One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

He was many things to many people. Apparently, he still is.

I think he reflected as much as he projected.”

9. I think that, in the end, whatever “being” there was there “bought it”, is a gonner…aint comin’ back here no more and all that’s left of Hisself are the “vestiges” or strings that were attached to the puppet.

I know that all sounds harsh. I know that all sounds crazy. I know it doesn’t sound very “accepting” of Hisself. Remember, I’ve got brain damage so consider the source. I may be one of those “lesser beings” that isn’t ready for the “Spiritual Big Leagues”.

This isn’t all of my “take” but I’ve already been more blunt here than I ever thought I’d be on an open board and I think I’d best let this sit on the wall for now.

I have nothing wrong with giving El Ron credit where credit is due. Problem is, I don’t really know who is due what credit for which and there’s sure enough stink around Hisself’s shit that I’m not given out any, “Thank you for telling me that El Ron…you’re needle is floating.”

Having said all that, I still don’t regret my time in Scn, the SO or with El Ron. I never wished Hisself ill…only he knew, truly, what he wished for Us…we already know plenty about what El Ron wished for Hisself.

Face

Hello Facey,

I'll tell you this: It was around 1995 when I first found internet discussion regarding hubbard, scientology, and the church. I found the usenet groups alt.clearing.technology and alt.religion.scientology. Event though I had been out since 1989 determined to never set foot in another church, I still approached the threads as if I was getting into something taboo. I sat in front of the computer screen looking over my shoulder from time to time. And I was only lurking!

What blew me away was the way hubbard and scientology were getting bashed. Yet, people were speaking their minds. How refreshing.

Then I decided to jump in on the conversation when I saw some old friends there. I asked questions to kind of test the waters. Then I began to write my mind choosing to post as myself. It has been a fantastic process.

I am Ted, once in a while I post some identifying markers. That would be Ted Crammer. I was known as an auditor in San Diego and Tucson. I choose to post as myself because I am working on a real life communications release. My safepoint is that I was never high enough in the church to miss some fantastic withholds, and I know that good auditing is a wonderful thing and should be continued. Oh, yes, I have had marvelous wins and gains on scientology and dianetic processing and have gained on every action and level. No doubt about it. So-called ethics tech sucks donkey balls. I do not care who has had wins with it, I am firm in that assessment.

Having said that, I have one more safepoint: My wife and I are on scientology's infamous enemies list. How's that? Total tech success, on enemy list.

Now down to what you wrote: It's perfect. Don't change a thing. As for what the Panda wrote, right on target, perfectly true.

Hope that helps.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

The Magic Alian

[quote="afaceinthecrowd, post: 457899"]
[COLOR="Red"]“One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

Fascinating observation. A alien friend of mine refers to a being and "An infinitely faceited crystal that will reflect back to you, whatever you flow at them"

In quantum physics there is the idea that the universe mirrors back to you what you flow at it, that the quantum field collapses into a reality when a belief system is imposed upon it.

In a channeling session back around 1985, shortly after my declare, I asked my alien friend once, "How do we know that you are really an alien from another planet?"

He didn't answer the question, but what he said was fascinating. He said: "In your culture you have a tradition - a tradition of evaluating the source of the data, rather than the value of the data itself. It matters not if I am who I say I am. if the data serves you, use it. If it doesn't don't"

Hearkening back to my opening remarks, at one point, I got this got this amazing insight and I asked this supposed alien, "To what degree am I talking to
myself?"

"Ah, he replied validating my suspicion, " one hundred percent.

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Johnny - Sorry, I just thought of this today, one day late but a little Marlene Dietriech tribute to you in the form of her famous song, "Johnny, wenn du geburstag hast" from her old recording days back in the Weimar Republic in Germany. There are no videos of Marlene herself singing it but the woman who does sing it represents Marlene well and does a fabulous job.

She is telling, Johnny that when his has his birthday, whe will come and be his guest for the entire night and that she is always thinking and dreaming of him. Check out the other two numbers on the video. I love the third song about the chic Lola, the darling of the season, who has a pianola at home in her salon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSoZ2lApSMY

Lakey

Lovely, Thank you.

 

[RogerB]

As usual, Carmelo, your uncommon common sense makes sense.

Thanks, Rog…what you say is very sensible and well thought, as is what MAB and Ted have said.

I’m gonna throw some “of the wall” stuff up “on the wall”. 1, 2, 3….etc.

I do not claim to have any special reality or insight …quite the contrary…the one thing I am certain about is, in the grand scheme of things, how little I am certain of. Nothing that follows is intended as “personal” to or about any of y’all, so please don’t personalize anything I say. I am, however, telling some fairly “personal” stuff so please remember; I did not come here to lecture and pontificate…I’m here to dialogue and learn.

I’ve re-read the following several times and, after several hours of contemplation, have decided to “let ‘er buck!”

1. I do not doubt that others here are truthful and correct that they have had interaction with El Ron post ’86.

2. I had my own “perceptions” and “stuff” re: El Ron pre and post ’86 which, over time, have resulted in my own personal “take”.

3. I have permanently resolved nothing per se and this “take” is why I’m “agnostic”, one way or the other, re: El Ron “The Great Being” or Hisself’s current activities, “wellbeing” and “whereabouts”.

4. I’ve already commented regarding some of my comments to Carmelo.

5. I also commented to Carmelo that, in my view, El Ron got caught-up in some real nasty “shit” with some real nasty “folks” and “stuff’ and was, off and on, a “dupe”…a willing puppet if you will.

6. Some “literally”, and a lot “figuratively”, I find Mystic’s “Tulpa” take to have some merit.

7. I saw El Ron exhibit wide, discordant variances of “persona” and beingness. It was real spooky…the “energy” I perceived at times from Hisself “felt” to me as though it was not emanating from Hisself but via Hisself and it wasn't nice "stuff" at all...the "intent" and content was, for want of a better term, gravenly nauseating and perverse.

8. For anyone in “theta comm” or whatever comm with El Ron, I wouldn’t trust an f’n thing ya “hear”. Panda posted a brilliant observation over on the “Thumbnail Sketch thread:

“One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

He was many things to many people. Apparently, he still is.

I think he reflected as much as he projected.”

9. I think that, in the end, whatever “being” there was there “bought it”, is a gonner…aint comin’ back here no more and all that’s left of Hisself are the “vestiges” or strings that were attached to the puppet.

I know that all sounds harsh. I know that all sounds crazy. I know it doesn’t sound very “accepting” of Hisself. Remember, I’ve got brain damage so consider the source. I may be one of those “lesser beings” that isn’t ready for the “Spiritual Big Leagues”.

This isn’t all of my “take” but I’ve already been more blunt here than I ever thought I’d be on an open board and I think I’d best let this sit on the wall for now.

I have nothing wrong with giving El Ron credit where credit is due. Problem is, I don’t really know who is due what credit for which and there’s sure enough stink around Hisself’s shit that I’m not given out any, “Thank you for telling me that El Ron…you’re needle is floating.”

Having said all that, I still don’t regret my time in Scn, the SO or with El Ron. I never wished Hisself ill…only he knew, truly, what he wished for Us…we already know plenty about what El Ron wished for Hisself.

Face

Face, Bloody brilliant.

AS Ted says later, "what you wrote: It's perfect. Don't change a thing. As for what the Panda wrote, right on target, perfectly true." It's a perfect assessment and statement. Don't change a bloody thing!

You see, we are each perceiving from a slightly different perspective, and those perspectives in whole and aligned will give us the most correct and truthful account.

What a marvelous bunch this is!

I think I'll drink a toast to that! Yes, Sir!

R

 

[Blue Spirit]

A Viewpoint About Viewpoints of LRH (or "Ron" or "Hisself")

“One thing that has always interested me about Hubbard is how he managed to appear to be whatever people thought he was.

He was many things to many people. Apparently, he still is.

I think he reflected as much as he projected.”

Face

I find the above statement to be TRUE, but there is a personal create and a responsibility

that goes along with this in every person and being.

There are more than several universes, "constructs", or beingnesses that are

the being that formerly possessed the body of LRH. These can be said to be

parallel universes and in fact the one most real to anyone at any time is the

one that they match the Tone of, or the Reality of, or the "Vibration" of.

That matched "vibration" (or nearly matched) is what gives life to and

creates that particular condition of that particular part or separate beingness

or personality of "Hubbard" and forwards it into the future continuously.


As known by myself and others, and Roger posted on at least twice,

"Hubbard" still has case and overts to resolve and I am more than aware that

that he is working on this with others of senior beingness or power.

As just communicated today he is well aware of the damage that he has done

and is working on resolving that. It encompasses the whole picture.

I have specifics, but these will for a time remain confidential by agreement.


The key point here is that one reinforces the part of the former "Hubbard"

which is most real to him/her. Understandably so.


I hasten to add that when I found too late about the things "Hubbard" had done, it

added heavily to an already caved-in condition caused by the "Church" for

which I paid $200K. This was not easy to resolve, but it has been done now,

except for a few repayments due.


I also, to give credit where credit is due (a long time policy of honor for me),

have found "Hubbard" most forthcoming with personal HELP to this being (ME).

This has occurred through two people and initially having pretty much read

all of the true negative stories about LRH in the books and on the net, I was

quite suspicious, in what was being said to me.

But for some time I've seen the validity, value, logic, and reality of what was

communicated. It has been of help to a great degree and the point being that

all of it has been of a major HELP flow to me personally.

Also, I can point out that LRH has not sent any bill for his help. The price is right !

He is clearly not in a position to get away with any more crap, even if he

wanted to, which he does not.

I certainly don't have him on any pedestal any longer, and our comms are on

an even level of respect, which is the only way I'll have it.

That last concept has been violated by the "Church" (of course) and three

persons in the Freezone, all of which I quickly have left behind with no

regrets, except for the condition they were in as I saw it.

 

[FoTi]

Hey, what a compliment! Where I came from, before scientology, that was a compliment of the highest order.

I haven't written anything here that I haven't written elsewhere as late as 4 years ago. The articulation today might be different, but not by much. Different audience requires a different presentation.

The links, however, are new. It is in the acquisition of new data, new viewpoints, and real, live communication that I find my perspectives changing and expanding. It's all good.

Back on the thread when the subject of the '50s came up I though I would do a "My Story" to kinda of clarify how a pretty normal kid could get caught up in a flying saucer cult. But the thread moves along so damn fast that I just haven't gotten to it. What I am doing instead is trying to stay relevant. That's all. Just trying to stay relevant to the topics at hand.

Maybe someday I will get around to a "My Story" and a "My Philosophy." I can see that I am going to have to write it all up then post a little chunk at a time. I will probably post on the Apollo thread first as this is where the readership congregates, then I will move it to a personal thread. This maneuver is not unusual in the publishing industry. Why not here, too.

Ted, I would love to see you write a "My Story" and a "My Philosophy", when you get a chance.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Admiration Appreciated

Awww such refreshing stuff. I love you Blue Spirit and Magic Thetan, as I love many of the guys who I have acknowledged along the way.

I am very happy to find that others have experiences similar to mine although some on this board do not agree.

This thread has developed into way beyond the thread title and thanks for that.

I will keep reading and add when it seems the time has come.

Your admiration is quite appreciated.

Until recently, I've had a severe shortage of it in my life.

I look forward to your coming contributions, that is for sure.

I clearly perceive that there are some more Big Beings on the

way to this thread.......

Something to look forward to with Delightful Anticipation.


MORE TO COME.

 

[FoTi]

Face,

I never met the Old Man in real life, though did connect with him spiritually, back about a year ago, sharing a brief cognition and quick processing cycle with him (I pulled, blew his W/H's M/W/H's.)

From what you describe, and from what I've seen of him on films, etc., and from the known fact that he lived a monster lie . . . his phony PhD, lies about wives, war record, you name it . . . .

The obvious truth is that he was not willing to be duplicated nor fully experienced. Chronic liars have to operate that way. For if they were duplicated, fully experienced, they would be found out. No?

So their operating mechanism and stance has to be that of denying and blocking your perception and native ability (virtue) of duplication and perception, and that of having to superimpose as a constant out flow/emanation their falsehoods and lies.

This of course has a deadening effect on all who are subject to it. This because it is decidedly "anti-theta." It is a violation of our native attributes. They are constantly impressing, superimposing on us, "don't know, don't duplicate the truth (of me!)" There is no true 2-way flow or exchange with such Beings . . . only their one-way deadening outflow of superimposed untruth.

Look at the the times when you have been most in love, or the times when there was magic between Beings. Notice how there was a magic willingness and wanting to be duplicated, known and have an exchange of truth occur?

How does this fit your observation and experience of "Hisself"?

R

Thanks Roger.

 

[Blue Spirit]

A Good Effect

Deleted and replaced.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

The teacher's name was Miss Brooks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtk0PfA4wxY&feature=related

Ooooooh, I remember "Our Miss Brooks"! Actually, she was so chic and snappy, smarter than anyone else in the room, always...I think in some strange subliminal way that show actually influenced me to go into education! That show was so funny...great to see it again!

 

[Blue Spirit]

Beautiful

Johnny - Sorry, I just thought of this today, one day late but a little Marlene Dietriech tribute to you in the form of her famous song, "Johnny, wenn du geburstag hast" from her old recording days back in the Weimar Republic in Germany. There are no videos of Marlene herself singing it but the woman who does sing it represents Marlene well and does a fabulous job.

She is telling, Johnny that when his has his birthday, she will come and be his guest for the entire night and that she is always thinking and dreaming of him. Check out the other two numbers on the video. I love the third song about the chic Lola, the darling of the season, who has a pianola at home in her salon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSoZ2lApSMY

Lakey

That is one beautiful lady.

Lakey, you have beautiful aesthetic sense,

as I also noticed when you were watching Mozart at the Bowl.


One minor problem though, I strongly suspect Johnny's pants are "tenting" slightly (or more) !

Lakey, you are now obligated to send the real lady to Johnny.
Please arrange that at your earliest convenience.

You certainly don't want to get on his bad side, do you ?

 

[FoTi]

Johnny - Sorry, I just thought of this today, one day late but a little Marlene Dietriech tribute to you in the form of her famous song, "Johnny, wenn du geburstag hast" from her old recording days back in the Weimar Republic in Germany. There are no videos of Marlene herself singing it but the woman who does sing it represents Marlene well and does a fabulous job.

She is telling, Johnny that when his has his birthday, whe will come and be his guest for the entire night and that she is always thinking and dreaming of him. Check out the other two numbers on the video. I love the third song about the chic Lola, the darling of the season, who has a pianola at home in her salon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSoZ2lApSMY

Lakey

Here's the one Marlene Dietriech did in english.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFSvDD-d-ms&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[Blue Spirit]

Even Better Yet

Here's the one Marlene Dietriech did in english.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFSvDD-d-ms&feature=player_embedded#!

Damn, it is even getting better !

 

[Blue Spirit]

Get A Life

Can this thread be slowed up a bit, so I can get a life ??

 

[FoTi]

Can this thread be slowed up a bit, so I can get a life ??

I'm having the same problem.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Been pretty busy myself!

Yeah. It was a famous positioning ploy cashing in on "support for the underdog."

But the Apollo thread is the only thread being bandied about as the greatest thing on ESMB, so I would think you already own the #1 spot.

Paul

We're nipping at the heels of the Frat boys thread! Paul, you do understand American advertising!

Thetanic, I love the sheep vid! Thanks for posting, wonderful to see it again! Parts of it look like stop motion animation, but yes, good doggies can make sheepies go any which way they are told to go! I think much of it is very real.

And for John, thank you for the great ack! You're doing fine so far, just relax and enjoy things as much as possible. The whole internet, especially message boards like this one, is such a timesink! You are not alone in struggling to make time for all that is fun and important in life! When you are a busy and creative person, there is a whole lotta juggleing goin' on! In fact I've been so busy I missed your Birthday!!!


I want to hear more about the theme park-amusement park. Just a thought to share...several of the posters on ESMB understand well how the energy of money works and flows through life (I'm not referring to myself!). You may just connect up with someone here who can be very useful to you on finding investors for funding said venture...

...remember the Master Mind concept!

God Bless Ingo Swann, wherever he is!

 

[lkwdblds]

This issue introduced by Blue invokes LRH tech.

I find the above statement to be TRUE, but there is a personal create and a responsibility

that goes along with this in every person and being.

There are more than several universes, "constructs", or beingnesses that are

the being that formerly possessed the body of LRH. These can be said to be

parallel universes and in fact the one most real to anyone at any time is the

one that they match the Tone of, or the Reality of, or the "Vibration" of.

That matched "vibration" (or nearly matched) is what gives life to and

creates that particular condition of that particular part or separate beingness

or personality of "Hubbard" and forwards it into the future continuously.


As known by myself and others, and Roger posted on at least twice,

"Hubbard" still has case and overts to resolve and I am more than aware that

that he is working on this with others of senior beingness or power.

As just communicated today he is well aware of the damage that he has done

and is working on resolving that. It encompasses the whole picture.

I have specifics, but these will for a time remain confidential by agreement.


The key point here is that one reinforces the part of the former "Hubbard"

which is most real to him/her. Understandably so.


I hasten to add that when I found too late about the things "Hubbard" had done, it

added heavily to an already caved-in condition caused by the "Church" for

which I paid $200K. This was not easy to resolve, but it has been done now,

except for a few repayments due.


I also, to give credit where credit is due (a long time policy of honor for me),

have found "Hubbard" most forthcoming with personal HELP to this being (ME).

This has occurred through two people and initially having pretty much read

all of the true negative stories about LRH in the books and on the net, I was

quite suspicious, in what was being said to me.

But for some time I've seen the validity, value, logic, and reality of what was

communicated. It has been of help to a great degree and the point being that

all of it has been of a major HELP flow to me personally.

Also, I can point out that LRH has not sent any bill for his help. The price is right !

He is clearly not in a position to get away with any more crap, even if he

wanted to, which he does not.

I certainly don't have him on any pedestal any longer, and our comms are on

an even level of respect, which is the only way I'll have it.

That last concept has been violated by the "Church" (of course) and three

persons in the Freezone, all of which I quickly have left behind with no

regrets, except for the condition they were in as I saw it.

This is an instance of where Blue Spirit's description of what is going on in his sessions is a bit unusual to me. I do the usual which is to listen carefully, attempt to duplicate him, scknowledge Blue and give him all the support and validation of which I am capable. This is a good example of where no special handling is necessary and doing the usual is the proper response.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Are you going this year? I want to go... I'll check it out, Thanks

We go every single year. We'll be there Friday through Sunday. We'll probably be staying at The Foxes ( I'm not in charge of reservations). Our youngest child (the one with four feet) is quite welcome there. It is a terrific Bed and Breakfast.

http://www.foxesinn.com/

 

[lkwdblds]

What can I say, that Mozart's were good teachers!

That is one beautiful lady.

Lakey, you have beautiful aesthetic sense,

as I also noticed when you were watching Mozart at the Bowl.


One minor problem though, I strongly suspect Johnny's pants are "tenting" slightly (or more) !
Lakey, you are now obligated to send the real lady to Johnny.
Please arrange that at your earliest convenience.

You certainly don't want to get on his bad side, do you ?

Blue in your post above which I highlighted in Blue, which Johnny are you refering to, the guy in the video or our own Magic Johnny? How about your pants, anything happening there? I don't know about sending that particular leggy er I mean lady to see Johnny but a boy's night out at a strip club might be a more doable option.

What can I say, I studied with Mozart's Dad when I was a teen and with Wolfgang the last 4 years of his short life when I was in my late 20"s.

Here is an example of an aria I composed for the Opera, "The Stone of Wisdom", which premiered in September of 1790.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVSNek0LbWw

The German transaltion is "The Philosopher's Stone. See, 220 years ago, I was already into studying Philosophy. Leopold Mozart taught me composition in Salzburg. I can't compose at all in this life but I guess I retained good musical sesniblities and taste and a fantastic memory. Just name any of hundreds of selections, classical or popular and I can start singing the melody and words.

The Philosopher's Stone is a prequel to Mozart's great opera The Magic Flute which premiered exactly one year later. The libretto (story line and lyrics of both were written by Emmanuel Shickaneder, our impressariio and both operas had the same story line. The cast of singers (I was the basso) the orchestra and even the conductor, Henneberg were identical for both operas. I believe ther were a total of 5 or 7 operas all based on the same book. These types of musical fairy tale operettas were very popular in Vienna from about 1786 to 1791. Shikaneder and Mozart were both deeply involved in the Masonic Lodges of Vienna and yes, they got me invovled in it as well. The Philosopher's Stone and its sequel, the Magic Flute have deep Masonic influences. Both were good operas and sound quite similar. The Philosopher's Stone did well, made money and ran 22 years on and off in Vienna and was put on in some other German cities but the Magic Flute went on to be one of the 10 top operas of all time.

Same script writer, similar stories, same singers, same orchestra, same conductor, in fact same everything except for just one difference. The one difference was that the music for the "Stone" was written by Shikaneder, me , my tenor friend Schacht and the conductor Henneberg. Mozart even helped us out and wrote 2 of the arias for us as a kind of guest secret composer but for the Magic Flute he wrote the entire score.

The one indiffernce is an intangible which is called "genius". Mozart had it, while ou fine group of composeres were merely talented. In fine music, genius will always rise to the top over a period of time. I heard it state, "Talent does what it can, genius does what it must!"

Lakey