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gfyork

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Thanks for all your suggestions, and especially your enjoyment of my posts. It always lifts my spirit when someone finds value in my writings.

I apologize for the Chronicles not being on my internet site. I have been having a hell of a time getting caught up, and the guy who does my web site and knows how to update it, is most difficult to pin down.

To date I have written 7 Chronicles, and parts of many others. I have ben so blessed, the the entire story will probably fill nine books by the time I am done. So I will get them to you as I can. Thanks for your understanding and support. love John

Thanks for the update, John.

It seems you have offered me a chance to improve myself by exercising the virtue of patience. I'm not sure I appreciate that virtue quite as much as I ought nor even this particular opportunity. :bigcry:

Still, I will await your next Chronicle with such patience as I can muster.

G.
 

FoTi

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Thanks for all your suggestions, and especially your enjoyment of my posts. It always lifts my spirit when someone finds value in my writings.

I apologize for the Chronicles not being on my internet site. I have been having a hell of a time getting caught up, and the guy who does my web site and knows how to update it, is most difficult to pin down.

To date I have written 7 Chronicles, and parts of many others. I have ben so blessed, the the entire story will probably fill nine books by the time I am done. So I will get them to you as I can. Thanks for your understanding and support. love John

John, can't you just post here the Chronicles that you've already written? I so want to read them. Why do you want to make us wait for them? :confused2:
 
I thought he was too. I still don't see how that's racist. :no:

This reminds me when I was in high school, we had a maid who stayed at our house 3 days a week and at the neighbors house 3 days a week and then went home to her own house in Santa Monica on Sundays. She was the neatest lady....she was like Uncle Remus always cheerful and had such a positive outlook on life and was very religious. Actually she reminded me of Aunt Gemima in the movies. I used to go to her room in the evenings and talk with her. She was my buddy.

I remember she had a wish board where she put up pictures of things she was wishing for....she said....that's the way you get things. She had a car on the board.....she wanted a car so she could drive to work instead of taking the bus. I thought her wishboard idea was cute.

She was very supportive of me and much more motherly toward me than my own mother. Eventually my mother didn't like it that she was so supportive of me and so she fired her. I thought my mother was mean.

But, I always remembered this lady ( her name was Arlene) with fond feelings. She was poor as a church mouse, but so down to earth and loving and caring. My parents had money, but she was very rich in heart and spirit. There was a big difference between her spiritual attitude toward life and my parents who were hardcore materialists. I used to think it was very unfair that a person as nice as she was, was stuck in a servile position with no way out of it at her age....she was probably around 60 at that time. She was a beautiful person.

I beg to differ with the boys, Face and Ted. This is not a beautiful story. I've seen it more than once. The nanny likes the kids, the kids will do anything for the nanny. The mother doesn't like the competition and fires the nanny. The only difference is nowadays the nanny isn't black , but comes from Guatemala or Mexico and is illegal to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11PHPNzvUUU&feature=fvst

There in her home country, live her children, who she sends money to. It is a really shitty deal. She gets to drive the Beemer to take the kids to school and pick them up, get groceries, and she lives in a one bedroom apartment with roaches, a huge ass motherfuckin' large TV, and three or four others.

It is not OK. It is not beautiful. The couples, who hire the nannies, pay them bupkis. They can fire them at the drop of a hat. They pay more for their wine than they do their maids. It is part of the haves and the have-nots mindset that the haves have. (yes I meant that to be funny). "People, who work for you get little pay" "We have to economize, let's only go to Kona for a week."

Not all rich people are like that, but there are certainly plenty. Especially in Hollywood, West LA, etc and Silicon Valley.

On the "Two Leaders Compared" thread, DM and Steve Jobs are the two. I can tell you that Steve Jobs had a very smart local girl / woman raising his kids when they were young. She wasn't paid wetback wages either. She bought a new Volvo and was quite happy with life.

Speaking for myself and my wife, we raised our kids without nannies. Just like with dogs and horses, bonding takes place at a young age. I wanted my kids bonded to us, not anybody else. I wanted them looking at life as we did. We specifically didn't want our kids copying bad English ("her and me, we's goin' shoppin'").

if someone is so rich, that they need a nanny to raise their kids, then I think the priorities are skewed. Raising kids is fun.

I'm down with learning as many languages as you can when you're a kid, i just don't want illiteracy lerned.:) Kids are like sponges. That can be good or bad, jes depends on who's lernin' dem.
 
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Ted

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Spirited vs Spiritless Humans

I beg to differ with the boys, Face and Ted. This is not a beautiful story. I've seen it more than once. The nanny likes the kids, the kids will do anything for the nanny. The mother doesn't like the competition and fires the nanny. The only difference is nowadays the nanny isn't black , but comes from Guatemala or Mexico and is illegal to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11PHPNzvUUU&feature=fvst

There in her home country, live her children, who she sends money to. It is a really shitty deal. She gets to drive the Beemer to take the kids to school and pick them up, get groceries, and she lives in a one bedroom apartment with roaches, a huge ass motherfuckin' large TV, and three or four others.

It is not OK. It is not beautiful. The couples, who hire the nannies, pay them bupkis. They can fire them at the drop of a hat. They pay more for their wine than they do their maids. It is part of the haves and the have-nots mindset that the haves have. (yes I meant that to be funny). "People, who work for you get little pay" "We have to economize, let's only go to Kona for a week."

Not all rich people are like that, but there are certainly plenty. Especially in Hollywood, West LA, etc and Silicon Valley.

On the "Two Leaders Compared" thread, DM and Steve Jobs are the two. I can tell you that Steve Jobs had a very smart local girl / woman raising his kids when they were young. She wasn't paid wetback wages either. She bought a new Volvo and was quite happy with life.

Speaking for myself and my wife, we raised our kids without nannies. Just like with dogs and horses, bonding takes place at a young age. I wanted my kids bonded to us, not anybody else. I wanted them looking at life as we did. We specifically didn't want our kids copying bad English ("her and me, we's goin' shoppin'").

if someone is so rich, that they need a nanny to raise their kids, then I think the priorities are skewed. Raising kids is fun.

I'm down with learning as many languages as you can when you're a kid, i just don't want illiteracy lerned.:) Kids are like sponges. That can be good or bad, jes depends on who's lernin' dem.


Carmelo, your points well taken. Hot topics.

Your Beemer drivers above appear to be spiritless humans. As for FoTi's parents, only she could say. As for Uncle Remus, he is a spirited human as depicted by Disney. Rich he is, not in finance but in spirit.

I did not have a nanny. I was raised by my mother, father, grandmother, and great-grandmother. Dad was the least available for us kids. That was the '50s culture when men worked, women stayed at home.

My own mother, however, was cared for by a black nanny. Mom's parents were financially very poor by today's standards. The Depression made them even poorer. The nanny was paid with some money, and food, clothing, or whatever.

To me the important thing about that relationship is that it was mutually supportive. It was a spirited-human relationship. One day when Mom was just a toddler she sat in a bed of fire-ants. It was her nanny who found her, washed her off in raw cows milk, and saved her life.

This was an era when, in the wider culture, blacks had separate fountains and public restrooms. I am old enough myself to have seen these social and physical separations. As late as 1960 blacks were not allowed on the beach side of the city unless they wore a badge to identify themselves as restaurant or motel workers. The '50s were an era when blacks were being hung, literally, for stepping out of line. Disney's Uncle Remus depicted in Song of the South is only based on Joel Chandler Harris' book Uncle Remus published in 1881. That book was sympathetic to slavery. As Disney does, he made the story his own and something else. As a kid watching that movie I had nothing but respect for Uncle Remus. I shared in his joy. Never mind he was a fictional character not even true to the original writing. I was impressed. That impression surely affected my attitude on blacks.

I believe that the world is populated by spirited-humans and spiritless humans. Spirited humans sometimes mistake spiritless humans as being one of their own. This gets us in trouble on occasion. Spiritless humans see a world of domination, control, subjugation, etc. Geo-political dividing lines are wiped out by money that crosses all borders with great ease. Unlike hubbard-think, where having money means "upstat," to me having spirit means "upstat."

I sympathize with your perspective on immigrant workers. We have discussed this before. Open borders means admitting spirited humans AND spiritless humans. We can't afford more spiritless humans competing for resources. We need more spirited humans here. Regrettably, I do not have a solution for bringing about that ideal scene. :confused2:
 

Ted

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Interesting Article From Dr. Mercola

Entire article here: Remote Human Functioning

Although Dr. Dossey believes premonitions can be an invaluable tool within the field of health and medicine, this may not be the most important take-home message from this phenomenon.

"Over the years, I have come to believe that even though these practices -- such as prayer, meditation and so on -- can give us a health advantage… I think the messages that are most important are what they imply about the destiny of human beings, and the nature of your own consciousness.

… If you have some non-local quality in your mind which says that it is infinite in space and time -- which I firmly believe is pointed to by the data -- that's a way of saying that there is some quality of human consciousness that's immortal, that is eternal; that is not located specifically to a point in time…

I think these studies in remote human functioning, psychologically speaking, point like an arrow to immortality.

… I think it totally turns around the old materialistic notion we've lived with for the past 200 years in science, which says that when you die; when your brain dies and your body rots, that's the end of everything.

These studies say that's not the end of everything. That's hardly the beginning. There is no beginning. There is no end… because we're not local with respect to time.

In some sense, we have an immortal quality to our consciousness. I think that's the biggest lesson we can gain from this work."
 

lkwdblds

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62 year comm lag, but better late than never.

:grouphug: What do you think of the idea of forwarding this sequence of Uncle Remus posts to the NAACP?

It can't hurt. The train left the station 62 years ago but its never too late. In my humble opinion, our message would fall on deaf ears. In 2010, for a black man to speak in Ebonics and espouse the wisdom of common sense and of the land instead of speaking the language of a University degree would still be considered unaccetable.

If EP and I, sent in our stories of how we two white boys adopted Uncle Remus as our role model, I think that might catch their attention. I'm sure that many of the fine beings on this thread and ESMB in general have stories to tell similar to EP's and mine. We should do a write in campaign similar to what was done in the Scientology case in Australia just a couple of months ago. The movie only circulated from 1948 to maybe 1955 and was then was no longer shown so not that many people saw it. A kid would probably have to have been born between 1935 and 1949 to have seen the movie and had it make an impact on him.
Lakey
 

RogerB

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Entire article here: Remote Human Functioning

Although Dr. Dossey believes premonitions can be an invaluable tool within the field of health and medicine, this may not be the most important take-home message from this phenomenon.

"Over the years, I have come to believe that even though these practices -- such as prayer, meditation and so on -- can give us a health advantage… I think the messages that are most important are what they imply about the destiny of human beings, and the nature of your own consciousness.

… If you have some non-local quality in your mind which says that it is infinite in space and time -- which I firmly believe is pointed to by the data -- that's a way of saying that there is some quality of human consciousness that's immortal, that is eternal; that is not located specifically to a point in time…

I think these studies in remote human functioning, psychologically speaking, point like an arrow to immortality.

… I think it totally turns around the old materialistic notion we've lived with for the past 200 years in science, which says that when you die; when your brain dies and your body rots, that's the end of everything.

These studies say that's not the end of everything. That's hardly the beginning. There is no beginning. There is no end… because we're not local with respect to time.

In some sense, we have an immortal quality to our consciousness. I think that's the biggest lesson we can gain from this work."

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Very good info to see some in science are getting it right and embracing some higher level truths.

Dr. Mercola is one of my favorite, honest science people. :yes:

Good to have posted this Ted. It gives more validity and and a more acceptable reality to the things we here see that some are wont to put down. :yes::yes:

Rog
 

RogerB

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It can't hurt. The train left the station 62 years ago but its never too late. In my humble opinion, our message would fall on deaf ears. In 2010, for a black man to speak in Ebonics and espouse the wisdom of common sense and of the land instead of speaking the language of a University degree would still be considered unaccetable.

If EP and I, sent in our stories of how we two white boys adopted Uncle Remus as our role model, I think that might catch their attention. I'm sure that many of the fine beings on this thread and ESMB in general have stories to tell similar to EP's and mine. We should do a write in campaign similar to what was done in the Scientology case in Australia just a couple of months ago. The movie only circulated from 1948 to maybe 1955 and was then was no longer shown so not that many people saw it. A kid would probably have to have been born between 1935 and 1949 to have seen the movie and had it make an impact on him.
Lakey

Yeh, the political correctness thing has gone bonkers and is the exemplar of abandoned common sense.

I remember all the brouhaha some years back when Pres Carter and Ted Turner were watching The Braves in the World Series, and the Braves fans were swinging there foam hatchets like Indian warriors.

Jeezzuzz, the press and media filled with screeming PC on how disrespectful it was to portray the native Americans "so negatively." And that maybe, the team should be renamed!! :duh::duh:

Ummm, pardon me for noticing, but a team owner doesn't name his sports team after something he does not respect and honor . . . and nor do fans celebrate the success of such unless they share that honoring! :duh:

Helloooo . . . wake up you PC types! Let folks honor what is appreciated as fine and worthy without all the put down shit from your negative minds!

Rog
 

Ted

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Wow! What a cleverly, and rather accurately, expressed demo of how we split from our true infinite selves to think that the other part of us is not "us." (And other nonsense we pulled on ourselves :duh:)

Where do you find these treasures Ted?

I think we'll have to appoint you our official finder of good things!!:D

R


While at lower mood levels it can be argued that there is no such thing as coincidence, at such more refined levels as spirit of play and fascination with life, happenstance and serendipity work to my advantage. There is always room for a pleasant surprise.

I have a voracious appetite for knowledge, shared experience, new viewpoints, different perspectives... I am a fat man dining on the internet buffet. My appetite is constantly stimulated by other fat people guiding me to their discoveries.
 

Ted

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Yeh, the political correctness thing has gone bonkers and is the exemplar of abandoned common sense.

I remember all the brouhaha some years back when Pres Carter and Ted Turner were watching The Braves in the World Series, and the Braves fans were swinging there foam hatchets like Indian warriors.

Jeezzuzz, the press and media filled with screeming PC on how disrespectful it was to portray the native Americans "so negatively." And that maybe, the team should be renamed!! :duh::duh:

Ummm, pardon me for noticing, but a team owner doesn't name his sports team after something he does not respect and honor . . . and nor do fans celebrate the success of such unless they share that honoring! :duh:

Helloooo . . . wake up you PC types! Let folks honor what is appreciated as fine and worthy without all the put down shit from your negative minds!

Rog


Damn right!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Yeh, the political correctness thing has gone bonkers and is the exemplar of abandoned common sense.

Hah! That's what you are *supposed* to think. :)

A couple of years ago I read that the real purpose of the whole PC trip was to accustom people to the idea of having to follow laws/rules that were plainly stupid.

It could well be true, although I am not proposing that everything "PC" that is being pushed is being done by people with this end view in mind.

Paul
 

Zinjifar

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Hah! That's what you are *supposed* to think. :)

A couple of years ago I read that the real purpose of the whole PC trip was to accustom people to the idea of having to follow laws/rules that were plainly stupid.

It could well be true, although I am not proposing that everything "PC" that is being pushed is being done by people with this end view in mind.

Paul

I think it's safe to say that one intended result of PC Thought Implantation is to condition PC Thinkers to enforce PC Think on themselves *and* others. At that level, PC Think becomes an end in itself and most do not even need to consciously subscribe to other or deeper purposes.

Zinj
 

EP - Ethics Particle

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Just to be clear...

It can't hurt. The train left the station 62 years ago but its never too late. In my humble opinion, our message would fall on deaf ears. In 2010, for a black man to speak in Ebonics and espouse the wisdom of common sense and of the land instead of speaking the language of a University degree would still be considered unaccetable.

If EP and I, sent in our stories of how we two white boys adopted Uncle Remus as our role model, I think that might catch their attention. I'm sure that many of the fine beings on this thread and ESMB in general have stories to tell similar to EP's and mine. We should do a write in campaign similar to what was done in the Scientology case in Australia just a couple of months ago. The movie only circulated from 1948 to maybe 1955 and was then was no longer shown so not that many people saw it. A kid would probably have to have been born between 1935 and 1949 to have seen the movie and had it make an impact on him.
Lakey

Uncle Remus was not the only one I admired. Here's another. :yes:
:yes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3isgUZe5Y

EP
 

Zinjifar

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Speaking of PC and Malcolm, back when I returned to college (for the third time) I used to have fun commenting that 'Malcolm X was murdered by racists'. Luckily most PC users are too ignorant to delve further into that, since at least it *sounds* 'acceptable'. :)

Zinj
 

RogerB

Crusader
Hah! That's what you are *supposed* to think. :)

A couple of years ago I read that the real purpose of the whole PC trip was to accustom people to the idea of having to follow laws/rules that were plainly stupid.

It could well be true, although I am not proposing that everything "PC" that is being pushed is being done by people with this end view in mind.

Paul

Then, Paul, we should protest bloody loud, long and clear! :grouch:

You're in charge, since you know WTF is going on!:p

R
 

afaceinthecrowd

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I beg to differ with the boys, Face and Ted. This is not a beautiful story. I've seen it more than once. The nanny likes the kids, the kids will do anything for the nanny. The mother doesn't like the competition and fires the nanny. The only difference is nowadays the nanny isn't black , but comes from Guatemala or Mexico and is illegal to boot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11PHPNzvUUU&feature=fvst

There in her home country, live her children, who she sends money to. It is a really shitty deal. She gets to drive the Beemer to take the kids to school and pick them up, get groceries, and she lives in a one bedroom apartment with roaches, a huge ass motherfuckin' large TV, and three or four others.

It is not OK. It is not beautiful. The couples, who hire the nannies, pay them bupkis. They can fire them at the drop of a hat. They pay more for their wine than they do their maids. It is part of the haves and the have-nots mindset that the haves have. (yes I meant that to be funny). "People, who work for you get little pay" "We have to economize, let's only go to Kona for a week."

Not all rich people are like that, but there are certainly plenty. Especially in Hollywood, West LA, etc and Silicon Valley.

On the "Two Leaders Compared" thread, DM and Steve Jobs are the two. I can tell you that Steve Jobs had a very smart local girl / woman raising his kids when they were young. She wasn't paid wetback wages either. She bought a new Volvo and was quite happy with life.

Speaking for myself and my wife, we raised our kids without nannies. Just like with dogs and horses, bonding takes place at a young age. I wanted my kids bonded to us, not anybody else. I wanted them looking at life as we did. We specifically didn't want our kids copying bad English ("her and me, we's goin' shoppin'").

if someone is so rich, that they need a nanny to raise their kids, then I think the priorities are skewed. Raising kids is fun.

I'm down with learning as many languages as you can when you're a kid, i just don't want illiteracy lerned.:) Kids are like sponges. That can be good or bad, jes depends on who's lernin' dem.

When I read FoTi’s story I saw a story of love, respect, humanity and dignity that was cross generational, socio-economic, racial and ethnic.

That there are other interpretations to her story is fine with me, and I “get” where you’re coming from and am in agreement with much of what you say.

Still, for me, I liked the story and I’m glad that FoTi shared it with us. I’m kinda on and off a “softy” and soft in the head.:yes:

Face:)
 
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