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Ted

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Interesting idea, Blue.

I've already played the admire El Ron and Hisself's creations to full EP so I'm gonna sit this one out.

Face:)



Turnabout is fair play.

I am all about giving the SOB a taste of his own policy and orders.

He wrote in an HCOB that auditors couldn't even pull a withhold on Khrushchev.

I used to wonder how he knew that, how could that be so?

I no longer wonder: There he was, hubbard, with his own lies and overts surrounded by auditors, and no one ever exposed him for the con he was. That's how he knew auditors couldn't pull a withhold on Khrushchev.

Hubbard was obsessed with finding the hidden who, the hidden influence. HE was the hidden who, the hidden influence.

Hubbard was obsessed with finding and disclosing people's evil intentions and destructive purposes. HE had evil intentions, destructive purposes, and undisclosed harmful acts, or he ordered others to commit harmful acts that he later could deny.

Turnabout really is fair play in this hubbard game. I say it is fair play because one of the ways a being gets things to persist is to mock something up then say another did it. Or the being takes another's mockups and says he sourced them. In either situation, it is Wrong Source. Things will persist. Sometimes that persistence is okay -- if we all agree to it, if it gets us what we want. But many of us did not agree to work with a liar and a con, and we agreed to planetary clearing -- whatever that means -- and not to hammering the hubbard name into fame, fortune, and history.

I am no where near letting this being off the hook. He was a master of covert hostility; he cannot be trusted.
 

FoTi

Crusader
Turnabout is fair play.

I am all about giving the SOB a taste of his own policy and orders.

He wrote in an HCOB that auditors couldn't even pull a withhold on Khrushchev.

I used to wonder how he knew that, how could that be so?

I no longer wonder: There he was, hubbard, with his own lies and overts surrounded by auditors, and no one ever exposed him for the con he was. That's how he knew auditors couldn't pull a withhold on Khrushchev.

Hubbard was obsessed with finding the hidden who, the hidden influence. HE was the hidden who, the hidden influence.

Hubbard was obsessed with finding and disclosing people's evil intentions and destructive purposes. HE had evil intentions, destructive purposes, and undisclosed harmful acts, or he ordered others to commit harmful acts that he later could deny.

Turnabout really is fair play in this hubbard game. I say it is fair play because one of the ways a being gets things to persist is to mock something up then say another did it. Or the being takes another's mockups and says he sourced them. In either situation, it is Wrong Source. Things will persist. Sometimes that persistence is okay -- if we all agree to it, if it gets us what we want. But many of us did not agree to work with a liar and a con, and we agreed to planetary clearing -- whatever that means -- and not to hammering the hubbard name into fame, fortune, and history.

I am no where near letting this being off the hook. He was a master of covert hostility; he cannot be trusted.

So, what's to be done about this being now?
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
So, what's to be done about this being now?


Not a damn thing.

You don't want to be assigning a being a condition then go about running it for him. He will have to run his own conditions to see if he is worthy of association with some of the rest of us. In the meantime, I run mine. I do not think we will meet again for quite some time.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
That was my point FoTi, there is nothing racist in the character. I beleive that what the NAACP might have perceived was that Uncle Remus's speech had an Ebonics accent, now accepted but in the 1940's it signified a lack of schooling and education. Also, it tended to portray blacks and whites as two divided groups. The whites were more educated, wore nicer clotes, though Uncle Remus was properly attired, spoke better and ran things and the blacks were subservient to the whites and did their biding.

Anyone watching the video could see that Uncle Remus was very wise, despite his lack of schooling and he knew life better than any white person in the movie. Apparently the NAACP did not care about a person's heart, his intelligence or his character, they wanted Blacks to be portrayed as equal to Whites as far as education and refinement. The strange thing about this period was that the Blacks were potentially equally refined but were hindered from realizing their potential due to the laws of the White society they were born into. If the Blacks could not be shown as socially equal, the NAACP did not want them shown at all.

The fact that Uncle Remus was wiser, and better adjusted and happier than any White was missed on the Black Leadership. Even the fact that the Whites, both adults and kids sought out Uncle Remus's advice in private did not sway the NAACP. They wanted to be portrayed as culturally equal or not be portrayed at all. IN THIS DECISION OF THEIRS, I BELIEVE THEY WERE VERY SHORT SIGHTED. THE SUPERIOR CHARACTER AND SUPERIOR WISDOM OF THE BLACK MAN AS COMPARED TO THE WHITE PEOPLE IN THIS MOVIE WAS OBVIOUS TO ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN AND YET THIS WAS NOT ALLOWED TO BE SHOWN BECAUSE HE WAS NOT ON AN EQUAL FOOTING WITH THE WHITES IN SO FAR AS BEING ACCEPTED INTO THEIR SOCIAL CLASS. Had more movies of this type been made and allowed to be shown, I think integration and equal rights might have come sooner and with less violence.

I speak from experience, I was a happy, intelligent 8 year old boy of white and Jewish heritage and I saw right away that Uncle Remus was the smartest man by far in the entire movie. He was at one with life, he knew life, he spoke only truths and was always there to lend a helping hand. In the deepest crises which were faced in the movie, he was a rock of sanity and help to all people, Balcks and Whites whom he came into contact with. I saw this to such a great extent that I wanted to be just like him. Apparently Ethics Particle felt the same way. To label this movie racist and pull it from being marketed is such a short sighted and stupid act that it defies description.
Lakey

Meanwhile movies depicting blacks as hit-men, drug dealers, and pimps appear to be fine with the NAACP.

I think what galled them was that Uncle Remus loved people without regard to the color of their skin or their social class. It cut across their agenda of having blacks resent whites.
 

FoTi

Crusader
Not a damn thing.

You don't want to be assigning a being a condition then go about running it for him. He will have to run his own conditions to see if he is worthy of association with some of the rest of us. In the meantime, I run mine. I do not think we will meet again for quite some time.

Okay.
 

FoTi

Crusader
Meanwhile movies depicting blacks as hit-men, drug dealers, and pimps appear to be fine with the NAACP.

I think what galled them was that Uncle Remus loved people without regard to the color of their skin or their social class. It cut across their agenda of having blacks resent whites.

That's interesting. I never thought about it that way.
 

Ted

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Meanwhile movies depicting blacks as hit-men, drug dealers, and pimps appear to be fine with the NAACP.

I think what galled them was that Uncle Remus loved people without regard to the color of their skin or their social class. It cut across their agenda of having blacks resent whites.


I have not made an in-depth study of these matters, but I do believe you are correct.
 

Blue Spirit

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Duplicated

Thank You, Blue. I understand...I truly do understand you, Pardner.:yes:

I wasn’t being snide or facetious when I said I’d already played that game to EP.:no:

It was part of my path and is part of your path.:coolwink:

Face:)

Yes, I did duplicate you and knew your second line before you said it above.

Thank you for your understanding, and yes we have these paths to travel,

each one of us. Hubbard's will likely be longer than some. :duh:
 

Leon

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As regards the Aristotle reference on Ethics.

I have read it and understood it (I think) and I find it aligns easily and well with the definition of Ethics that I gave, viz:

ETHICS, Ethics is the application of reason and good sense in the attainment of optimum survival. Fully applied, ethics would strive for the highest level of survival for the individual, the family, the group, mankind, and all else besides taken collectively.

More than anything else Ethics refers to the base from which one is operating. Ethics is the stance one takes in life, it is who and what one considers oneself to be. It is the position from which one acts. Ethics is the base. It is that which is decided upon and exercised by oneself in accordance with one’s belief in one’s own honour, integrity and good reason, and is applied by oneself as the most optimum solution along one’s own eight dynamics.

The subject of ethics deals with the rehabilitation of that inherently good and strong person, and in the survival actions which then flow from him or her in acordance with and in harmony with their basic goodness. It brings into alignment one’s BEINGNESS, DOINGNESS and HAVINGNESS.

A being is as ethical as he is sane; he is as sane as he is ethical. The two words are exact synonyms


Ted's observation: "The good for human beings, then, must essentially involve the entire proper function of human life as a whole, and this must be an activity of the soul that expresses genuine virtue or excellence." is correct and aligns with the second-last para in the definiton.

Roger's observation: ". . . the orgs today are run on the basis of fear.

This is the antithesis of the facilitating of volitional personal and group ethical conduct (as in the example cited in the quote of Socrates).

Scn "ethics" as practiced is an exercise in the over-ruling of personal volition and sovereignty and of trust in the individual to personally be responsible and able to operate in the most ethical and optimum manner . . . . Hubbard demonstrably denied and over-ruled that fine notion by his behavior, orders written and given verbally, and by his statement I cite from 1967.

Scn ethics as practiced in orgs denies and prevents an individual from rising up to the optimum level of personal trust in self of ethical conduct execution. It is replaced by domination and control of the individual by way of the use of fear."
aligns with the first para and also with the statement "It is that which is decided upon and exercised by oneself in accordance with one’s belief in one’s own honour, integrity and good reason, and is applied by oneself as the most optimum solution along one’s own eight dynamics."

Scn ethics as practiced in orgs is not ethics at all, not even remotely, it is a system of enforcing overwhelm and degradation onto people for purposes of control.
 

Blue Spirit

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Accurate Description

Turnabout is fair play.

I am all about giving the SOB a taste of his own policy and orders.

He wrote in an HCOB that auditors couldn't even pull a withhold on Khrushchev.

I used to wonder how he knew that, how could that be so?

I no longer wonder: There he was, hubbard, with his own lies and overts surrounded by auditors, and no one ever exposed him for the con he was. That's how he knew auditors couldn't pull a withhold on Khrushchev.

Hubbard was obsessed with finding the hidden who, the hidden influence. HE was the hidden who, the hidden influence.

Hubbard was obsessed with finding and disclosing people's evil intentions and destructive purposes. HE had evil intentions, destructive purposes, and undisclosed harmful acts, or he ordered others to commit harmful acts that he later could deny.

Turnabout really is fair play in this hubbard game. I say it is fair play because one of the ways a being gets things to persist is to mock something up then say another did it. Or the being takes another's mockups and says he sourced them. In either situation, it is Wrong Source. Things will persist. Sometimes that persistence is okay -- if we all agree to it, if it gets us what we want. But many of us did not agree to work with a liar and a con, and we agreed to planetary clearing -- whatever that means -- and not to hammering the hubbard name into fame, fortune, and history.

I am no where near letting this being off the hook. He was a master of covert hostility; he cannot be trusted.

That is a keen description of Hubbard's negative side.

I experienced it first hand with an "auditor" who is in Hubbard's valence, as if

I didn't get enough of it in the "Church" before that. This person is (until I

saw it) also a master of covert hostility, who cannot be trusted, and I'm not

about to let him off of the hook.

As far as having to trust Hubbard, I'm not in a position where I need to do

that. I essentially C/S myself, and insist on knowing what I'm doing with full

reality. Other beings senior to him are being used as needed, and when

needed. None of these recent occurrences were expected or postulated.

I have kept Hubbard at arms length although it has been suggested if I did
not I would perceive him directly. I may do it as a drill.

I could not be taken in by him with what I know to be true, any longer.

Just not possible.

I can say with some awareness that the covert old Hubbard just wouldn't
work at all with those he hangs around with now. Not a chance.

The person who got me started blew from the Apollo.
I certainly wish she'd volunteered the full story, or I'd asked more questions.
She had the qualities to not get fucked up there, while obtaining all of the experimental rundowns of about 1970-1972.
 

FoTi

Crusader
Stat - Good to have you posting here. Based on your above post, you seem as if you are very "up" Stat.

NEWS FLASH - SCOOP, ALL APOLLO '73 READERS ARE IN FOR A TREAT!

I am meeting Blue and The Magic Thetan for lunch today. I am very excited! As always, when I get back to my computer later in the day. I will tell you "All the News that is Fit to Print". Of course, if TMT or Blue requests I not disclose something, I must honor that but otherwise, I will reveal what occurred at this luncheon.


Lakey

Lakey, any news on the exciting luncheon?
 

ensifer

Patron
David, I hadn't read the blog when I responded. I just saw your picture, and knew who you were.

Your blog righteously rocks!

You may or may not remember me. My name is Ed Berwick. When we rubbed elbows, my girl friend was either Laurie Noonan, Martha Weller, or Gail Pollock. (depending on Santa Clara, ASHO, CC times)

Two quick comments:

Kingsley didn't own Santa Clara when you were there. Gifford Pinchot did.

Kingsley acquired it later.

The Los Gatos Org, where Dolores' memorial was held is in San Jose. Before it was an org, it was a mission. It started in my living room back in about 1973 in Willow Glen. There were ten people on our original comm course. That is probably way more than they have tonight.

Scientology was a lot easier sell before 1980.

Hey Ed!

Of course I remember you. And Terry, and "The People" and the other ladies you mentioned.

What great pictures man! Many, many thanks for posting them. I always liked Terri and she looks great. Just for grins I posted the only picture I have of the Apollo days over on my blog. I have a few from Santa Clara that I will eventually put online as well.

You're probably right about Gifford. Kingsley was ED and Malcolm was Senior C/S. My mother was there for a bit as were Phil Spickler, Pete Rundberg, Alan Hollander and probably others I am just not thinking of right now.

If you or any of the other fine folks here know of a site or board where personal pics of the old Apollo crew and public are posted I'd appreciated a link. In return I promise to eventually upload more from Saint Hill, Santa Clara, Fresno and whatever else I come across in my old boxes of fading photographs.

Thanks again for the great pictures Ed!

David
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
My lunch meeting with Johnny and Blue Spirit

The luncheon meeting was the first time I had talked to Johnny at length. I had been to 4 or 5 events where he was but only exchanged a few words with him. This meeting in Downtown Glendale was a lunch which lasted for 3 hours.

THERE IS NO NEW EARTHSHAKING NEWS I CAN SHARE WITH YOU
Johnny has kept us pretty much up to date on what his intentioins are and what he is working on. He is ceasing to post on his own thread at this point and will just post on this thread. He said that he loved his experience posting on his own and that it was a real learning process for him. As many projects as he has going, he can drop the duties of a thread host and be a thread participant over here.

He has the big sky high project of developing Wonderland. This would be an enormous endeavor which is designed to change plantet Earth from the direction it has been going to a sort of shining beacon of what a planet can be. We have a beautiful planet here and we have many gifted and intelligent people living here. Unfortunately, they have their cases to deal with. Also, unfortunately as well, most of the mass media outlets which reach the people and form their political opinions, educate them and run their governments, and yes also their religions are all moving the people in a particular direction away from what Johnny's goals for this planet are. THOSE ARE MY WORDS AND SUMMATION OF WHAT I GOT FROM WHAT HE WAS SAYING. What his words are, and Blue Spirit concurred, is that that there is only one type of media outlet which is available to reach the people with and to bring the people en masse to a higher tone level and that media is Entertainment.

Johnny has had an association with Walt Disney and the Disney movies and theme parks have a track record of reaching the people in societies throughout the world and simply MAKING THEM HAPPIER AND RAISING THEIR SPIRITS. He has chosen an extension of the Disney model to make people happier planet wide and raise their spirits.

His effort includes the writing of his chronicles, the making of a series of major motion pictures, about 20 of them, all big buck adventure thrillers with big special effects and then last, but not least, the building of a major theme park, Wonderland. Making a project of this scope come to fruition is thinking big in the fullest sense of the term and it is going to absorb most of Johnny's time. This is all I know about it. I am sure that he will keep us informed as new developments break.

Other topics which the 3 of us talked about were Channeling and something called the Global Information Network. Also, we made some jokes about what really interests us on this planet and all three of us, all in the 68 to 70 age group and all what they call in Yiddish, "alte cockers" had similar interests in the fields of sexy women, delicious foods and just hanging out and having fun. Well, Blue wants his delicious food to be raw and sugar free and is trying to sell that to Johnny and I but otherwise we are all pretty much in the same boat.

SPEAKING WITH JOHNNY - A PRIMER OF WHAT AN OT WORLD BE LIKE.
The premise is that we are already Godlike and that what we decide takes place. When we utter some words intending as to how things will be, the concept contained those words cames to pass and does so quickly.

An Example - Johnny speaking to a PC of his.
Pc says, "Hey Johnny, when are you going to C/S me for my grades." Johnny says, "I will let you C/S yourself for those." PC says, "I don't know how to C/S for myself.", Johnny says, "When do you feel you should do your grades?" and the PC asserts, "I need to complete my objectives first, that is for sure but after that I would be ready for my grades." Johnny then says, YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOU JUST C/Sed YOURSELF. "That is exactly what your C/S is, finish your objectvies then do yourr Grades." Thank you for just C/Sing your own case. If the PC says something such as I thought it would be more involved than that, Johnny would acknowledge with "If you say so."

Communication takes place along those lines. All comments are made in present time, every comment is a statement of the way things are or will soon be. Statements are not contested. If Johnny wants to evaluate or make a point, he will interject a phrase, "I am about to make an evaluation about what you just said, is that Okay with you?" The other person must give permission for the evaluation to take place.

If you look at this type of communication, no reactive type of mind or pictures are being created. Communication comes out from Joe - pocketa, pocketa, pocketa. Bill says, "If you say so" or something to that effect. Bill than says pecketa, pecketa, pecketa. and Joe says, "If you say so." With this type of communication, everything which is intended takes place and no conflict or build up of mass or confusion takes place. I started doing it at the luncheon and it was easy to get the hang of speaking that way. It actually seemed quite natural to do so. Fatigue does not set in, one remains alert and bright and so forrth.

I am going to go in my jacuzzi now. Either later tonight or more likely in the morning, I will post a part 2 about the rest of the lunch.
Lakey
 

FoTi

Crusader
Hey Ed!

Of course I remember you. And Terry, and "The People" and the other ladies you mentioned.

What great pictures man! Many, many thanks for posting them. I always liked Terri and she looks great. Just for grins I posted the only picture I have of the Apollo days over on my blog. I have a few from Santa Clara that I will eventually put online as well.

You're probably right about Gifford. Kingsley was ED and Malcolm was Senior C/S. My mother was there for a bit as were Phil Spickler, Pete Rundberg, Alan Hollander and probably others I am just not thinking of right now.

If you or any of the other fine folks here know of a site or board where personal pics of the old Apollo crew and public are posted I'd appreciated a link. In return I promise to eventually upload more from Saint Hill, Santa Clara, Fresno and whatever else I come across in my old boxes of fading photographs.

Thanks again for the great pictures Ed!

David

I'm enjoying your blog, David. I like your writing.
 

FoTi

Crusader
The luncheon meeting was the first time I had talked to Johnny at length. I had been to 4 or 5 events where he was but only exchanged a few words with him. This meeting in Downtown Glendale was a lunch which lasted for 3 hours.

THERE IS NO NEW EARTHSHAKING NEWS I CAN SHARE WITH YOU
Johnny has kept us pretty much up to date on what his intentioins are and what he is working on. He is ceasing to post on his own thread at this point and will just post on this thread. He said that he loved his experience posting on his own and that it was a real learning process for him. As many projects as he has going, he can drop the duties of a thread host and be a thread participant over here.

He has the big sky high project of developing Wonderland. This would be an enormous endeavor which is designed to change plantet Earth from the direction it has been going to a sort of shining beacon of what a planet can be. We have a beautiful planet here and we have many gifted and intelligent people living here. Unfortunately, they have their cases to deal with. Also, unfortunately as well, most of the mass media outlets which reach the people and form their political opinions, educate them and run their governments, and yes also their religions are all moving the people in a particular direction away from what Johnny's goals for this planet are. THOSE ARE MY WORDS AND SUMMATION OF WHAT I GOT FROM WHAT HE WAS SAYING. What his words are, and Blue Spirit concurred, is that that there is only one type of media outlet which is available to reach the people with and to bring the people en masse to a higher tone level and that media is Entertainment.

Johnny has had an association with Walt Disney and the Disney movies and theme parks have a track record of reaching the people in societies throughout the world and simply MAKING THEM HAPPIER AND RAISING THEIR SPIRITS. He has chosen an extension of the Disney model to make people happier planet wide and raise their spirits.

His effort includes the writing of his chronicles, the making of a series of major motion pictures, about 20 of them, all big buck adventure thrillers with big special effects and then last, but not least, the building of a major theme park, Wonderland. Making a project of this scope come to fruition is thinking big in the fullest sense of the term and it is going to absorb most of Johnny's time. This is all I know about it. I am sure that he will keep us informed as new developments break.

Other topics which the 3 of us talked about were Channeling and something called the Global Information Network. Also, we made some jokes about what really interests us on this planet and all three of us, all in the 68 to 70 age group and all what they call in Yiddish, "alte cockers" had similar interests in the fields of sexy women, delicious foods and just hanging out and having fun. Well, Blue wants his delicious food to be raw and sugar free and is trying to sell that to Johnny and I but otherwise we are all pretty much in the same boat.

SPEAKING WITH JOHNNY - A PRIMER OF WHAT AN OT WORLD BE LIKE.
The premise is that we are already Godlike and that what we decide takes place. When we utter some words intending as to how things will be, the concept contained those words cames to pass and does so quickly.

An Example - Johnny speaking to a PC of his.
Pc says, "Hey Johnny, when are you going to C/S me for my grades." Johnny says, "I will let you C/S yourself for those." PC says, "I don't know how to C/S for myself.", Johnny says, "When do you feel you should do your grades?" and the PC asserts, "I need to complete my objectives first, that is for sure but after that I would be ready for my grades." Johnny then says, YOU ARE RIGHT AND YOU JUST C/Sed YOURSELF. "That is exactly what your C/S is, finish your objectvies then do yourr Grades." Thank you for just C/Sing your own case. If the PC says something such as I thought it would be more involved than that, Johnny would acknowledge with "If you say so."

Communication takes place along those lines. All comments are made in present time, every comment is a statement of the way things are or will soon be. Statements are not contested. If Johnny wants to evaluate or make a point, he will interject a phrase, "I am about to make an evaluation about what you just said, is that Okay with you?" The other person must give permission for the evaluation to take place.

If you look at this type of communication, no reactive type of mind or pictures are being created. Communication comes out from Joe - pocketa, pocketa, pocketa. Bill says, "If you say so" or something to that effect. Bill than says pecketa, pecketa, pecketa. and Joe says, "If you say so." With this type of communication, everything which is intended takes place and no conflict or build up of mass or confusion takes place. I started doing it at the luncheon and it was easy to get the hang of speaking that way. It actually seemed quite natural to do so. Fatigue does not set in, one remains alert and bright and so forrth.

I am going to go in my jacuzzi now. Either later tonight or more likely in the morning, I will post a part 2 about the rest of the lunch.
Lakey

Thanks Lakey. Looking forward to part 2. :drama:
 
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