The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[The Magic Thetan]

Did You Feel Good?

From my point of view, if a person feels good after any kind of session, it was a good session. If they feel really good, it was a really good session, and if they feel terrific, it was a terrific session.

I feel the same way about me writings, and the responses I receive to my writings.

My primary objective in life is to feel good, and to do what I can to get others to feel good also.

I often invite my clients to embrace and pull off three basic life objectives, and I seek to entice them into the discovery of how wonderful life can be when we choose to do these things.

1) Feel good no matter what.

2) Get others to feel good.

3) Get a feel good job that makes life better for you and others.

I personally believe that there is nothing more valuable in life that feeling good, for when one feels good, one tends to attract feel good people, feel good happenings and a feel good world.

It seems to be true that what we focus on, and what we give our energy to, grows and prospers, and what we take our attention off of, dwindles and dies.

I am working to develop the RESPONSE-ABILITY to feel good no matter what. However I must admit, that when it comes to my writings and sharing with others, I most definitely am looking for responses that make me feel good, and responses where the reader says that they felt good and benefited from what I wrote.

When that occurs, I am naturally motivated to write and share more, and when that does not occur, I have to work to feel good, so that I am motivated to do more.

I got a few neat responses to my recent postings, and I got a couple that said to me,“I have some Feel good work to do". However, I would most appreciate your letting me know if you read:

Thank You Sweetheart 15 August 2010 Post # 4858 A Big Johnny Raff Story

Trapped on the Road to Total Freedom 16 August 2010 Post # 4878

Feeling Groovy 16 August 2010 Post # 4896

If you felt good, and or benefited from the writings, please tell me, and if you didn’t, please don’t.

All the Best,

The Magic Thetan.

 

[Zinjifar]

From my point of view, if a person feels good after any kind of session, it was a good session. If they feel really good, it was a really good session, and if they feel terrific, it was a terrific session.

Isn't that pretty much the *definition* of a 'session'? After all, they're all supposed to end with VGI and a cog/ability regained. If not; there's a flub, because the session, per definition, must continue *until* that's achieved.

Kind of like saying that 'anyone can walk a mile on their hands' as long as they do so until they've completed the mile...

Zinj

 

[FoTi]

Men ARE romantics. They don't require encouragement in this.

A naked woman enters a room and a man sees the Venus de Milo. Nor does it matter if its Phyllis Diller or Roseanne Barr.

All the lame brain schemes of mankind and the half-baked "movements" out to "change the world" are the product of men's overactive imaginations. For further confirmation just watch any little boy playing "superheroes" and see how much he is just like his father.

It's the women who are the natural born pragmatists.


Mark A. Baker

The problem that women have is that when this romantic guy suddenly stops imagining and realizes that she isn't Venus de Milo, he freaks out and

 

[Terril park]

From my point of view, if a person feels good after any kind of session, it was a good session. If they feel really good, it was a really good session, and if they feel terrific, it was a terrific session.

I feel the same way about me writings, and the responses I receive to my writings.

My primary objective in life is to feel good, and to do what I can to get others to feel good also.

I often invite my clients to embrace and pull off three basic life objectives, and I seek to entice them into the discovery of how wonderful life can be when we choose to do these things.

1) Feel good no matter what.

2) Get others to feel good.

3) Get a feel good job that makes life better for you and others.

I personally believe that there is nothing more valuable in life that feeling good, for when one feels good, one tends to attract feel good people, feel good happenings and a feel good world.

It seems to be true that what we focus on, and what we give our energy to, grows and prospers, and what we take our attention off of, dwindles and dies.

I am working to develop the RESPONSE-ABILITY to feel good no matter what. However I must admit, that when it comes to my writings and sharing with others, I most definitely am looking for responses that make me feel good, and responses where the reader says that they felt good and benefited from what I wrote.

When that occurs, I am naturally motivated to write and share more, and when that does not occur, I have to work to feel good, so that I am motivated to do more.

I got a few neat responses to my recent postings, and I got a couple that said to me,“I have some Feel good work to do". However, I would most appreciate your letting me know if you read:

Thank You Sweetheart 15 August 2010 Post # 4858 A Big Johnny Raff Story

Trapped on the Road to Total Freedom 16 August 2010 Post # 4878

Feeling Groovy 16 August 2010 Post # 4896

If you felt good, and or benefited from the writings, please tell me, and if you didn’t, please don’t.

All the Best,

The Magic Thetan.

Hey Johnie,
Your high theta projects are wonderful, and magical.

Please don't stop.

 

[FoTi]

This video is rather long.....an hour and 1/2, but it's very educational. If you ever wondered why people today are overweight, this has some very good answers. I don't think it's been posted on ESMB before....I haven't seen it on here. It was very educational for me and I hope it is for you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Hi folks, l took my anony toy boy to the beach. Lovely relaxing time. Welcome Hatty! More later, seagulls are circling the picnic basket!:wink2:

 

[The Magic Thetan]

Hey Johnie,
Your high theta projects are wonderful, and magical.

Please don't stop.

Thanks. Your high theta acknowledgements are wonderful and magical.. Please don't stop... Best John

 

[lkwdblds]

In answer to your question to comment on 3 posts.

Hi Johnny! I am going to comment on the 3 posts which you wanted comments on!

Post #4858 Yes, the story about your Dad! I really duplicated that story and related it myself on my summary of your luncheon. Sorry, perhaps I should have checked with you first. THE STORY AS YOU TOLD IT TO ME VERBALLY AND TO THE BOARD IN PRINT IS A COMPLETE WORD PICTURE OF BOTH YOUR DAD'S BEINGNESS AND ALSO THE LOVE YOU FELT FOR YOUR DAD!! THE STORY WILL FOREVER BE ETCHED INTO MY MEMORY AND I SUSPECT ALSO THE MEMBORY OF MANY OF OUR READERS. THOUGH WE DID NOT KNOW YOUR DAD LITERALLY, WE TRULY KNOW HIM, NONE THE LESS, THROUGH THE STORY YOU TELL OF HIM, A STORY WHICH IS VERY OBVIOUSLY TOLD WITH GREAT LOVE, OF A FINE MAN, A DAMON RUNYONESQUE TYPE OF MAN AND A GREAT FATHER.

Post #4878 is a "gran tour de force". I will pick just TWO pieces of tech you gave which was sufficient to change me: #1WILLING TO EXPERIENCE ANYTHING AND CHOOSING TO EXPERIENCE ANYTHING ARE NOT THE SAME THING. and #2 BEING ABLE TO VIEW EVERYTHING WHICH HAPPENS TO YOU AS GOOD OR EVEN GREAT IS A GREAT OT ABILITY. THIS IS WHERE OT LIES FOR THE MOST PART, NOT IN VIEWING REMOTELY OR CAUSING MATTER TO MOVE WITH INTENTION ALONE OR EVEN (TO USE YOUR OWN EXAMPLE) MAKING YOUR CARPET FLY WITH YOU ON IT. I AM LEARNING FROM YOU THAT ONE'S "RESPONSE" ABILITY FACTOR IS THE HARBINGER OF TRUE OT. ONCE YOU HAVE THAT FACTOR DOWN, THE OTHER OT TYPE STUFF IS NOT SO IMPORTANT. THE MUST HAVE IS OFF AND THOSE THINGS MAY START OCCURING AS WELL BUT ITS OK IF THEY DO OR THEY DON'T. WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THOSE IS THE RIGHT THING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

Post #4896 - I wrote a post on August 16, myself, #4826 but it was in a reply I made to Blip so maybe you and others missed reading it. I liked what I said and am going to repeat it here as it is an accurate statement of how I am reacting to you now after the pleasure of having had lunch with you and Blue and I quote myself:

SOME COMMENTS ON TMT He is a very influential being, he causes big effects and good effects on people!

If I reject something which he, Johnny, is telling me one on one with conviction, part of me is going to die. I will never reject anything which he tells me with full conviction. To me he represents the viewpoint that I am a spiritual being, godlike in the ability to cause things and that I am linked with other spirits and my life has meaning and potential and I am carrying out a master plan. He represents to me all kinds of things which wake up life inside of me and make it exciting. If I say, "Come on Johnny, get real, this is all bullshit, your goals are too high and you are just deluding yourself, he won't die but I will be as good as dead." Were I to do such a thing, I would become just a regular Earth type meat body and brain cells type of guy. The physical universe would have won over me. After a long, long period of fighting it off, I would be totally and fully extinguished as a spirit and a godlike bieng. You talk about being a slave, well that would be the case for sure, I would be totally a slave. sleepwalking my way through the flotsam and jetsom of the Physical Universe.

Johnny, here is another appropriate comment I wrote on January 9, 2010 on a thread started by Fisherman called "What keeps you in ruin"

I think the real OT powers are shown down in the trenches, getting things done, changing peoples minds for the better, being a "GO TO" type of guy or woman whom people look to for sound advice and good sense and who can lead by example. I think two examples of OT's in American History would be Abraham Lincoln and Mark Twain. They had honesty, outspokenness, common sense, intelligence and were go to guys who got things done. No mere stage magician type of ability could ever match those true OT abilities.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

The problem that women have is that when this romantic guy suddenly stops imagining and realizes that she isn't Venus de Milo, he freaks out and

the person I want snuggling up to me in bed, spooning, if you will, is the someone, who is as comfortable with me as an old shoe.

someone who knows my faults, my foibles, my passions, my innermost thoughts.

I don't want someone on a pedestal. I want someone who wants to call me and tell me a funny story or that she got a ticket or just "whatcha doin'?"

my someone knows that if she brings home a stray cat or stray kids, I'll be happy to have them, and that we'll make it work. She knows that if she tells me that we have the grandkids all day, I'll cancel my plans and we'll take the kids and corrupt them with ice cream and pizza and sand and surf.

it's a lot more to do with our basic joys and randomity are close to each other's.

we both read "Cheaper By The Dozen" independently and separately. We both thought it sounded pretty good.

neither of us is very glitzy. just comfortable.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

A beautiful dress can make a woman feel very elegant, attractive and sexy. A beautiful dress is nice packaging. The thing is the guy that you're wearing the dress for, could care less about the dress once he gets you alone.....he's only interested in what's in the dress. Your goal is to dress beautifully and look very alluring to him. His goal is to undress you. You dress up so he can undress you. What a game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16cWiWj--8E&feature=related

 

[Pepin]

Face, I love your last post.


Lakey, I had an alkaline water machine, for which I paid about $1500.00, 9 or 10 years ago, when I was living in Clearwater. It was supposedly a model used in hospitals in Japan to help people to be healthier. I tried using that water a number of times, over a period of about 4 or 5 years, thinking that it was supposed to be good for me. I didn't like it. I sold it when I left Clearwater, 5 years ago, for about $600.00. I also had a friend who used an alkaline water machine all the time.....he died of a heart attack....I don't know if there was any connection, but I couldn't see that it improved his health any. I don't know if alkaline water has anything to do with one's health or not. :confused2: The only person I ever knew who swore up and down that it was really a great thing, sells them and makes a very nice profit on each one sold. I think one might have better luck balancing the ph in their body with eating the correct foods for one's body, eliminating those foods or combination of foods that make one's body acidic, eating more raw foods, exercising, and drinking enough water instead of coffee, tea, juice or soft drinks. And one doesn't need to spend $4,000.00 on an alkalizer to do that.

As far as that MLM or pyramid thing that Blue and Johnny are doing, I got the email on that thing and it mentioned having to spent over $4,000.00 to be a part of it. I didn't see anything about being any kind of an associate member without paying anything. It looked like some kind of money laundering scam to me....pay a bunch of money to be able to associate with people who have money? :confused2: So, I sent him a reply with a question and deleted the original email that I had received from Johnny. It actually kind of ticked me off that Johnny would send me an email like that trying to hook me into spending that kind of money for something that looked like some kind of money making scheme. It wasn't well explained. Maybe I misunderstood it.

I guess time will tell, eh? If Johnny gets rich off of it and it does turn out to be something ethical, then I will say....okay, it was something good. But even if it is, I don't have the kind of money to buy into something like that on a chance that it might be okay.

I got the email too.
It smacks of a pyramid. The first email said $10, the next one I saw said $1000.00

I think not.

In regards to the water ionizers; a friend spend thousands of dollars on this thing. Being the engineer I am, I investigated her claim that it "changed the water by adding ions".

My first thought was if water is changed, then it isn't water.
I never did chemistry but I found a chemist who explained it to me.

In the 80's, people were all about cal-mag. I learned that adding cal-mag to water makes it more alkaline. The machines are supposed to tdo the same thing without the horrible taste.

The machine make gassy water but as the water sits, the ions recombine and you have ph7 water again.
Moreover, once the alkaline water goes into the body, the acids in the stomach make it ph7 again. The bodies appear to have the engineering already to balance ph.

 

[Pepin]

ALL OF THESE RELATIVES INCLUDING MY PARENTS EXHIBITED BITS OF RACISM! As in most Jewish circles, Black people were referred to as "Schwartzes".

I don't think that's a slur. I believe it means "black person"

Schwarzenegger means "Black man who pulls plow"
~Arnold Schwarzenegger

 

[Leon]

In South Africa jewish people refer to them as 'schochse' - I think that would be the spelling. Phonetically it would be more like 'shochse', with the ch gutteral as in the Scottish 'loch'.

 

[lkwdblds]

It isn't what it means, its how it is said and used.

I don't think that's a slur. I believe it means "black person"

Schwarzenegger means "Black man who pulls plow"
~Arnold Schwarzenegger

You are correct there. A literal meaning would be just "Black", it doesn't really have the word person in it although a human being is implied. Let's say a Jewish woman is with her kids in a hotel lunch room and a kid knocks over a glass of milk. The woman motions to her waitress, a white woman, and the waitress comes to the table. The Jewish woman says to the waitress, "Honey my Son spilled some milk, would you please send a Schwarze over to clean up the mess." A literal translation would be, Honey my Son spilled some milk, would you please send a Black over to clean up the mess. Going back to the language of the old South, it would translate, "Honey would you send a Darkie over to clean up the mess."

You have to read between the lines a bit to capture the non literal nuances of words, the idiosyncratic meanings. Darkie literally means just a person of Dark skin color. but when one calls a person in a servile position a Darkie, they are depersonalizing that person and putting that person into a lower and completely servile class of peoples who are beneath White people.

Even saying Negro, which would be a synonym for Schwartze, if one wanted a mess cleaned up and said to a white waitress, please send a Negro over to clean up the mess, would qualify as a racist remark. A human being with a name and a job title is being identified by citing only his or her race and being lumped together with all people of that race in a class of servile people.

The Jewish lady could say, "Honey, would you send the busboy over to clean up the mess" Why would she say, send over the Black? How would she respond if someone told her to send a Jew over to clean up the mess?

SUMMARY The definition of Schwarze is not racist but the way Jewish people use it, it has a racist connotation or racist overtones. Does that make it clear why I believe that the Jews who used, the word in this manner, which is just about every Jew of my parent's generatiion which I ever encountered, were being racist?
Lakey

 

[Leon]

In my ongoing auditing of myself - mostly done at 2.00 am while lying wide awake and at peace in bed - I am finding that the 'realm' of theta above this one that I am entering into, the identities of beings are less defined than in this realm we are in. Theta exists with a mush less defined identity; identities (personalities) are there more as potential identities which can be taken on or not, participated in or not, as one chooses.

One seems to have a favourite one - which for me is the one I have now and I suppose the same applies to others - but one does not have to be stuck with it.

One can contact any past identity/personality one chooses and communicate with him/her/it if one chooses. This is not to say that the theta being who last adopted and lived a life with that beingness is still associated with it, but the beingness is still there. It's all rather too abstract to itsa fully, I'm still getting to grips with it.

I always noticed in the Org that many people have their favourite piece of the Tech. For some it was the ARC triangle, for others the Tone Scale, and so on. They could unravel it and find endless satisfaction in it as a source of cognition and personal orientation. For me it was always the eight dynamics. I can talk about that for hours on end, and what I am delighted with here - and I recognise that I may merely be discovering what I am myself putting there to be discovered - is that this auditing direction of mine aligns so fully with the dynamics.

Fascinating. maybe only for me.

 

[Leon]

You are correct there. A literal meaning would be just "Black", it doesn't really have the word person in it although a human being is implied. Let's say a Jewish woman is with her kids in a hotel lunch room and a kid knocks over a glass of milk. The woman motions to her waitress, a white woman, and the waitress comes to the table. The Jewish woman says to the waitress, "Honey my Son spilled some milk, would you please send a Schwarze over to clean up the mess." A literal translation would be, Honey my Son spilled some milk, would you please send a Black over to clean up the mess. Going back to the language of the old South, it would translate, "Honey would you send a Darkie over to clean up the mess."

You have to read between the lines a bit to capture the non literal nuances of words, the idiosyncratic meanings. Darkie literally means just a person of Dark skin color. but when one calls a person in a servile position a Darkie, they are depersonalizing that person and putting that person into a lower and completely servile class of peoples who are beneath White people.

Even saying Negro, which would be a synonym for Schwartze, if one wanted a mess cleaned up and said to a white waitress, please send a Negro over to clean up the mess, would qualify as a racist remark. A human being with a name and a job title is being identified by citing only his or her race and being lumped together with all people of that race in a class of servile people.

The Jewish lady could say, "Honey, would you send the busboy over to clean up the mess" Why would she say, send over the Black? How would she respond if someone told her to send a Jew over to clean up the mess.

SUMMARY The definition of Schwarze is not racist but the way Jewish people use it, it has a racist connotation or racist overtones. Does that make it clear why I believe that the Jews who used, the word in this manner, which is just about every Jew of my parent's generatiion which I ever encountered, were being racist?
Lakey

Did they use the word Goy or Goyim to refer to non-jews?

 

[lkwdblds]

Kangen gives live demonstrations of the water!

I got the email too.
It smacks of a pyramid. The first email said $10, the next one I saw said $1000.00

I think not.

In regards to the water ionizers; a friend spend thousands of dollars on this thing. Being the engineer I am, I investigated her claim that it "changed the water by adding ions".

My first thought was if water is changed, then it isn't water.
I never did chemistry but I found a chemist who explained it to me.

In the 80's, people were all about cal-mag. I learned that adding cal-mag to water makes it more alkaline. The machines are supposed to tdo the same thing without the horrible taste.

The machine make gassy water but as the water sits, the ions recombine and you have ph7 water again.
Moreover, once the alkaline water goes into the body, the acids in the stomach make it ph7 again. The bodies appear to have the engineering already to balance ph.

Kangen claims their water has two properties, one is that it is extremely alkaline and the other is that it is ionized. The alkaline property has a shelf life of 3 to 4 days and then after that it changes to something akin to regular filtered water. The second property has to do with the ionization, this quality is lost after only 12 to 14 hours of the water sitting idle.

The claim is that the ioinization makes the molecules smaller than those of regular water. This enables the water to penetrate the cells of the body and body organs with ease whereas non ionized water does not have these penetration powers. They claim that within 10 minutes of drinking it, the water has permeated your main organs, stomach, liver, kidneys, intestine, etc. The test they use to prove this is extremely simple and extremly effective. They put a tea bag into a glass and pour any kind of water you want, tap water, bottled water, De Sante, Aquafina, Crystal Geyser, a dozen different waters into glasses containing tea bags and absolutely nothing happens. The water stays completely clear and absorbs no tea, even with stirring. Next, they heat the water and it pour it into a glass with a tea bag and it begins absorbing the tea.

Next they pour Kangen Water at room temperature into the tea bag and the Kangen water rapidely absorbs the tea, faster even than the heated water. I just picked up some fresh Kangen water and just got a tea bag and poured the Kangen water in and it immediately absord the tea with no heating or stirring. This proves to me that the Kangen water at room temperature can permeate the tea bag whereas none of the non Kangen waters can. As I say, this property only lasts for 12 to 14 hours so that is used to encourage you to purchase the machine.

The pour Kangen waters into half filled glasses of the other waters with ph test strips in them and the Kangen water immediately changes the ph of all the other waters except one of them quickly to ultra alkaline water. This is also quite convincing.

They tell you that all diseased tissue occurs only in acidic environments. For example, they claim that cancer cells can only survive in acididc environments. It is claimed that cancer cells can not live in a heavy alkaline environment. Kangen has done their homework, they put on a convincing demonstration and have hundreds of anecdotal adherents attend their meetings. They have sold 500,000 machines world wide and 1 in 5 of the homes in Japan have a Kangen machine. Just a few anecdotal words against their device which a non technical person may utter has no effect on me of dissuading me that the machine has life extension capabilities of a high order.
Call me naive but that is what Lakey is all about, being childlike.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

PM Purple Haze about this!

In my ongoing auditing of myself - mostly done at 2.00 am while lying wide awake and at peace in bed - I am finding that the 'realm' of theta above this one that I am entering into, the identities of beings are less defined than in this realm we are in. Theta exists with a mush less defined identity; identities (personalities) are there more as potential identities which can be taken on or not, participated in or not, as one chooses.

One seems to have a favourite one - which for me is the one I have now and I suppose the same applies to others - but one does not have to be stuck with it.

One can contact any past identity/personality one chooses and communicate with him/her/it if one chooses. This is not to say that the theta being who last adopted and lived a life with that beingness is still associated with it, but the beingness is still there. It's all rather too abstract to itsa fully, I'm still getting to grips with it.

I always noticed in the Org that many people have their favourite piece of the Tech. For some it was the ARC triangle, for others the Tone Scale, and so on. They could unravel it and find endless satisfaction in it as a source of cognition and personal orientation. For me it was always the eight dynamics. I can talk about that for hours on end, and what I am delighted with here - and I recognise that I may merely be discovering what I am myself putting there to be discovered - is that this auditing direction of mine aligns so fully with the dynamics.

Fascinating. maybe only for me.

Purple Haze, until recently read this thread and posted here a bit mostly around last December and January. She is an old time Class VIII from the Apollo days and was also around when AOLA was starting up. In talking to me, she told me that she had devised both Exchange by Dynamics and Condition by Dynamics. She said that Hubbard adopted both of these to the tech, thanked her for them but put his name on them. She did not care then and does not care about that now. I did Exchange by dynamics when I did my very first auditing action of Life Repair audited on me by Ty Dillard. I had tremendous wins on it and thought it was brilliant.

One thing though, when we were told to do condition by dynamics and assign each dynamic a condition. I had each dynamic in a different condition. I could be in power on my first and emergency on my second, etc. all the way up, 1 through 8. After doing it this way for many months, I was corrected and told that all the dynaimcs tended to level out to one's lowest dynamic. The concept was that a low dynamic, say perhaps eating badly on the first, would impact the other dynamics and pull the higher ones down.

I do not remember who told me this but they did present some written LRH to back it up. I am positive that Yvonne supported this view and made frequent allusions to it a staff meetings. It was here on ESMB where I re-encountered my original concept that each dynamic's conditions could be separate. I had the luxury of talking to Purple Haze and asked her about this and she told me that her original work considered each dynamic as having a unique condition assigned to it, that all the dynamics did not tend to level out at one condition. She stated that LRH changed this so that they all converged to one dynamic for all with the lowest dynamic pulling down the condition of the higher ones to the lowest level. Purple Haze said she never bought into that. She is still on the board and can be PM'ed if someone wanted to ask her about it.
Lakey

 

[RogerB]

Kangen claims their water has two properties, one is that it is extremely alkaline and the other is that it is ionized. The alkaline property has a shelf life of 3 to 4 days and then after that it changes to something akin to regular filtered water. The second property has to do with the ionization, this quality is lost after only 12 to 14 hours of the water sitting idle.

The claim is that the ioinization makes the molecules smaller than those of regular water. This enables the water to penetrate the cells of the body and body organs with ease whereas non ionized water does not have these penetration powers. They claim that within 10 minutes of drinking it, the water has permeated your main organs, stomach, liver, kidneys, intestine, etc. The test they use to prove this is extremely simple and extremly effective. They put a tea bag into a glass and pour any kind of water you want, tap water, bottled water, De Sante, Aquafina, Crystal Geyser, a dozen different waters into glasses containing tea bags and absolutely nothing happens. The water stays completely clear and absorbs no tea, even with stirring. Next, they heat the water and it pour it into a glass with a tea bag and it begins absorbing the tea.

Next they pour Kangen Water at room temperature into the tea bag and the Kangen water rapidely absorbs the tea, faster even than the heated water. I just picked up some fresh Kangen water and just got a tea bag and poured the Kangen water in and it immediately absord the tea with no heating or stirring. This proves to me that the Kangen water at room temperature can permeate the tea bag whereas none of the non Kangen waters can. As I say, this property only lasts for 12 to 14 hours so that is used to encourage you to purchase the machine.

The pour Kangen waters into half filled glasses of the other waters with ph test strips in them and the Kangen water immediately changes the ph of all the other waters except one of them quickly to ultra alkaline water. This is also quite convincing.

They tell you that all diseased tissue occurs only in acidic environments. For example, they claim that cancer cells can only survive in acididc environments. It is claimed that cancer cells can not live in a heavy alkaline environment. Kangen has done their homework, they put on a convincing demonstration and have hundreds of anecdotal adherents attend their meetings. They have sold 500,000 machines world wide and 1 in 5 of the homes in Japan have a Kangen machine. Just a few anecdotal words against their device which a non technical person may utter has no effect on me of dissuading me that the machine has life extension capabilities of a high order.
Call me naive but that is what Lakey is all about, being childlike.
Lakey

?? A question, Lakey . . .

This ionization of the water you speak of. . . . since I know a little chemistry and physics

First, how is it done?

Second, the ion produced, is it positive or negative?

You see, all this makes a difference.

There is a whole body of science on the issue of negative ions versus positive ions of oxygen in the air we breath.

Oxygen is naturally inclined to be of neutral charge in its natural two atom molecule state we breath in this atmosphere. (Ozone is a three atom oxygen molecule).

Oxygen in a single atom state is rather very negatively charged . . . and this is why it so readily will combine with other atoms to form oxides and in particular with hydrogen to form water.

Pure water cannot be either alkaline or acid, it is neutral . . . but becomes acidic or alkaline based on additives, as in the case of added salts of calcium, sodium, potassium, etc . . . or pollutants or gases. If you blow CO2 through water with a straw you turn it into carbonic acid!

So this Kagan waster deal . . . how do they do to the water what they claim?

R

 

[Infinite]

RogerB

The Science
What is "ionized water"?

To a chemist like myself, the term is meaningless. True, it is possible for water to contain dissolved ions (electrically-charged atoms or molecules), but that's something else again. Almost all waters found in nature acquire ions such as calcium and bicarbonate as they come into contact with rocks and sediments. Even the purest rainwater contains some hydrogen- and bicarbonate ions that are formed when it picks up carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Pure water consists almost entirely of H2O molecules loosely bound in a network-like structure in which individual molecules are constantly changing partners. Water molecules exhibit a very slight tendency to dissociate ("ionize") into hydrogen ions and hydroxide ions:

H2O → H+ + OH–

but the extent of this reaction is severely limited by the fact that the reverse of this reaction is much more rapid, so that on the average, only about two out of every billion H2O molecules are dissociated. No electrical device or chemical additive is capable of increasing these ion concentrations in pure water above this very minute level which is so small that for most practical purposes pure water can be considered to be ion-free, as evidenced by the fact that it will not conduct an electric current.

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