The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Blue Spirit]

Value There

That above is very good, Ted.

You've set my mind to rumbling on this . . . . as did TMT with his words regarding "desire for admiration," etc.

As I chew along on this, what I come to thinking is two things:
1) "Desire" can span the scale of emotions, and expresses differently at the top of the scale than at the bottom and,
2) Desire basically puts you into an inflow mode; that is, it is the want to inflow or receive something.

Back around 1963, I had the God Almighty cognition that to truly survive and have winning games one really needed to be operating at a level of Contribution or above on the Havingness Scale.

My cognition, in actuality, was that unless the Beings in the game were contributing to the game, the game would cease to be. It would simply end in the vacuum of no creation.

Interestingly enough, at the time, my attention was very much on the game as being us as "Theta" versus the physical universe of M.E.S.T. This all based on the old "Theta-MEST Theory."

My spiritual perception at the time of the congnition was that unless one contributed to and co-created the MEST Universe, it would simply cease to exist. And along with that cognition there was a sneaking awareness that this was also true of all of the spiritual games we played . . . but, spiritual games were way less real to me than the physical universe at the time

Today, as I chew on this subject, I have the view that the highest level of game playing is that wherein the players co-honor, co-appreciate and co-empower each others' presence and Being because that is the honorable and correct thing to do. And, conversely, to fail to do so very much lessens the game and the power and joy of the players who so fail.

In 1963, the other part of the cognition was that to only be on the inflow (vectors) of desire for recognition, sensations created by others, admiration from others, and such was to fail to co-create and contribute to the game and presence of others and thus lead to the loss of games and a vacuum of existence.

Today I have a rather different view of things compared to my view in 1963. Today I find great joy in the act of honoring others, appreciating their being and empowering their presence. The interesting thing is it is not done for the reason of wanting a return flow . . . it is simply done for the reason that it is right and it is the way to have correct and optimum relationships; but the outcome is almost universally that I get a flow of recognition and appreciation in return, and this co-empowerment between us empowers the realities that make up the game.

And it is a fun game.

Some twenty or thirty years ago I was looking at the notion of what love is. A lot has been written on the subject of course. My conclusion, at the time, was that a key part and action of love is, the creation of survival for another and their co-empowerment in Being, Doing, Having.

Rog

I like the simple logic and good sense of your post.

There is a corollary I discovered, much to my loss, and that is that not helping others seems to pull in the worst "help" possible.
As LRH said: "Help as Betrayal". I guess he would know.

The inflow of demanded help pulls the predatory people straight out of the woodwork.
The CO$ of course being the supreme example

 

[Blue Spirit]

Class A Processor

Veda, I simply do not agree with your claim above that Scientology does not produce any state of OT per se. I have OT like abilities which Scientology helped me bring to the fore. The Magic Thetan lives in a world of OT like abilities much greater than mine. Face pulled off an OT like ability in cheating death and redeveloping his skills which the medicos told him would never happen.

I have the ability to pick up the thoughts of many if not most people. I learned to do accupressure message from an accupressure therapist and that had not much to do with Scientology. However, I did use the theory in the assists pack, relating as to why touch assists had workability, why contact assists worked and why the body comm process worked. I also picked up some theory from my study of OT III and NOTS relating to living beings beings being present around people's bodies or inhabiting their spaces.

Using my ability to pick up thoughts, plus accupressure tech plus some of Hubbard's theories, I have over the years formed my own healing therapy which only recently I brought out of the moth balls and began using heavily. The results have been just spectacular!! I did two sessions yesterday, one live and one by phone and I solved two enormous problems which two women, who are best friends were having. Both my sessions took 45 minutes. Had they gone to traditional medicine, they would have been prescribed drugs, had they gone to C of S, they might have gotten some help if they had a good C/S and a good auditor and spent $10,000. Probably Carmelo could have handled them, the chances are that Roger could have given them some processes which are likely to have handled them but I was able to do it on both women in in 45 minute sessions I did this for free asking nothing in return.

I have an ability to pick up the thoughts of the person I am working on. They know it and I know it. No naysayer on ESMB can negate that effectively. What is happening is that I find the harmful thought or thoughts which are causing them physical or mental trauma and indicate that to them and get them to talk about it. I then steer the conversation towards getting rid of that thought.

The biggest trouble I am having is that they want me to tell them the answer to their dilemma while I am insisting that they must see it for themselves or they won't receive any benefits. This latter is another Hubbard datum which I subscribe to. One of the girls yesterday got very angry at me for not evaluating for her and giving her the answer and she got into the anger band. She said, "Fuck this, I asked you for some help, and you have my problem all figured and and instead of giving me the answer , you are just fucking around with me and playing games. I don't want to do this anymore." I acted bored and just said, "Yea, well in my technique the person usually gets very angry with me right before they make their final breakthrough and blow their problem. We are right where I want us to be and now you are fucking around, attacking me instead of doing your final steps, well I can end this session off right here or you can do what I tell you and in a matter of minutes your problem will be solved." She said, "Okay, what do you want me to do?" I said in a bored voice, "I want you to imagine in your mind the ending you want to occur between you and your former boyfriend" She asked for some clarification. I said, you have got to have an idea in your mind of how you want to feel when this session is over and how you want him to feel as well. She thought for awhile and said, well I realize that our relationship has to end now, its the best thing for both of us, but I want him to feel cool about it as well and come to the same realization as I did and I don't want to cause him additional pain. I acknowledged that and told her to imagine that the outcome she had just describe was now fact. All of a sudden she shot way up the tone scale. She said, "I see it now, yes, its all resolving for me, its resolvingl. She said, "Oh thank you so much for doing this for me and staying with me when I was attacking and insulting you" You are such a great friend. I asked if there was anything else she wanted to say and she said no and I have this new phrase I use now which is "You did well so enjoy your win, you earned it." She said, the problem I was having is totally gone its just not there anymore. She asked again, do you think my ex boyfriend is as cool with things as I am. I said, "What do you think?" She said she hoped he was but asked me again, Really what do you think? I said, I feel that he is totally cool with this outcome as well (which was true). She asked, "Is that something new you saw or did you see it before?" I said that I only noticed it just after she had her epiphany. She was totally happy and relieved. We agreed to talk the next day and that was that.

A long term problem, handled in a 45 minute session over the phone, done for free to a new friend with nothing asked in return. To me that shows some OT abilities. I would rather be able to do that than knock someone's hat off from 50' away. I can't do the hat knock off trick but I can do the above session so to me, it is an OT ability.
Lakey

Lakey, you are a Class A processor.

That is a very nice win for your friend, but more so for yourself.

You achieved your original goal you had at Celebrity Center.

I only wish you has confronted Don at the party and told him of his wrong
indication to you.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Well I Don't Totally Agree

Lakey,

I don’t see that I pulled off some OT trick and cheated death…I just don’t look at it that way. It was truly a gift, for what reason and why me, I know not why.

Veda’s post re: SRI and “Mind Race” is exactly in concert with several of my “Readers Digest” posts in regards to the who’s and what’s that, in my opinion, “made” White Scientology.

Most folks have “psychic” abilities of one form or another, to one degree or another. Some are more “acute” than others and some of those have tried, are trying, to hone and expand them. The way I see it, most all of us have gifts and part of our path is to give of these gifts to others, and to be accepting and receptive of others giving of their gifts to us.

The Medicos never told me that my recovery was impossible...my Doctors were not expecting the extent and breadth of my recovery and they see it as a “miracle”. What they did do is remain positive with me and work diligently within the framework of all their medical skills and knowledge, step by step, day by day over a period of years. They were steadfast, resourceful and consistent. And, I know for a fact, many of them prayed for me.

El Ron was very concerned about the subject of being “Source”. His version of Scn was all about us being source within a universe of Hisself’s “Source-ness”. In effect, El Ron got us to buy into ourselves as being within his own image and view of “It” all…of being “source” with Hisself as “The Source” and the model of "Source-ness" and the possessor of the Majik "Source Boots".

El Ron spoke and wrote disparagingly about Mystics and Mysticism. In my view that was because Hisself was unable to and/or unwilling to accept and embrace the first predicate of Mysticism that is the key to open an individual’s first Mystical portal:

“This, That and It are all a Collaboration.”

In my view, we are all dealing with and within “energies, forces, influences and confluences thereof” that we don’t fully “see or get” but are, to a greater or lesser degree, aware of and part of.

You have Psychic gifts, Mystic predilections and so does Ted, Roger, Carmelo, Leon, S&L, EP, TMT, Veda, MAB, FoTi and on and on and on with so many others here…that, in part, is why we are all here, together, on this thread.

My recovery was not due to some great “OT Power” that I posses or that is "me". My recovery was a serendipitous "by-product" of acceptance of and surrender to the ebb and flow of “The Collaboration”.

I don’t see myself as having any “OT” abilities…I have gifts, as do we all, and those gifts may be enjoyed or abused…the choice is mine, and yours. The way you enjoy a gift is to share it with others…the way you abuse a gift is to possess it. The way you replenish a gift is to give some away, let it go…the way you squander a gift is to ration it, hoard it. Enjoying a gift replenishes it, refines it. Hoarding a gift squelches it, corrupts it.

I think my comments above are in concert with what Ted and Rog said so well in their recent posts.

Face

Face, I cannot totally agree with your viewpoint, in that just continuing to persist as you did through a hellish time was in and of itself quite OT.
That OT gem had other facets also, which I'll leave to you to contemplate.

P.S. - I'm sorry if I inadvertently brought up any old wounds in talking about your airplane. I'm in the middle of my processing with a ways to go.

 

[Atalantan]

Thanks for the Scientology P.E. course talk, with an "Independent Scientology" caveat re. the "Church" tacked onto the end. And there's some truth in that P.E. course explanation, so I'm not knocking you, just suggesting that you peek behind the Scientological curtain a little.

Re. the Hubbardism "thetan" - Personally, I don't use it to describe myself or others' most intimate spiritual essence - except, on occasion, when discussing Scientology, at which time I always use quotation marks. IMO, those calling themselves "thetans" are still dwelling in the Hubbard reality-bubble, and seeing the rest of the world clearly through the viscous film of the bubble can be difficult.

Scientology was at its greatest expansion years ago when it was a devious and abusive totalist cult with a thick mental-healing wrapping (which has since become thinner). In that state it survived well enough to accumulate quite a bit of money, which it now has deposited in overseas bank accounts collecting interest, and in "Orgs" (monuments), and buried steel plates, each with Hubbard's name on it.

It's "surviving" after a fashion, and as envisioned by its founder in his mostly confidential dictates.

Now, I'll let you guys get back to singing Kumbaya.

Thanks, I don't feel "knocked" by you at all. My post was an exercise in trying to" think with" Hubbard's ideas about it, nothing more. I have never been "in" the CoS but I find Hubbard's writings/lectures interesting/entertaining. Perhaps precisely because I was never "in" and was not subjected to the real-world applications of the "philosophy", other than having a little auditing from a Field Auditor in the 1970s, and doing some TRs and Objectives around that same time. All of that was a positive experience for me.

My point was mainly that an "OT" was neither basically good nor basically bad, or could be either. I am not actually comfortable using the word "thetan" and do not think of myself or others as "thetans". At the same time, I do think "theta" is a meaningful and useful concept.

To me, the meaningful word is "Being", not "thetan". A being can exist with or without an association with a body.

A being associated with a body and playing the role or game of "human being" is likely to be basically trying to survive. Only in that context could the concept of him being "basically good" apply. A person or being can only have an orientation when he has a context(game) towards which he orients himself. It is his basic impulse to further survival of himself and his dynamics, that Hubbard characterized as "basically good".
Otherwise he simply has the potential to be good, bad, indifferent, or whatever.
So both arguments are right - "Man" is basically good, and an "OT" may not be basically good. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I never did a "PE course" so I don't really recognize the reference, but what I outlined above often seems to be overlooked.

I was also trying to point out that members of the cult of scientology, by which I mean the organized, established "church" or "religion" of scientology are way wrong when they claim their little organization somehow deserves to survive because of all the good it is doing across the dynamics.

In the context of Hubbard's explanation of the 8 dynamics that I have heard in his lectures, it is actually just an inbred self-serving little group that has about as much "survival value" to the world as the Democratic Peoples Republic Of North Korea does. It contributes little or nothing positive to the larger society, and in fact, like North Korea, I see it as a destructive cancer on the larger scene.

My point is the cult members who believe their org deserves to survive are deluding themselves and completely failing to understand and apply the basic concepts about the dynamics, survival, goodness etc, of the philosophy as laid out by Hubbard, whom they supposedly revere as the "Founder"of their enterprise.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Face, I cannot totally agree with your viewpoint, in that just continuing to persist as you did through a hellish time was in and of itself quite OT.
That OT gem had other facets also, which I'll leave to you to contemplate.

P.S. - I'm sorry if I inadvertently brought up any old wounds in talking about your airplane. I'm in the middle of my processing with a ways to go.

Luv ya, Blue.

It’s most okay with me if you disagree with me.

I’ve done a lot of contemplating…and still do. There is many a face to facets.

Is there something in particular that you think I should be contemplating?:confused2:

I’m sorry, Blue, but I’m not into the “OT” construct anymore. I think that’s all a façade and a seductive ruse. Source and cause is ephemeral, temporal; collaboration and connection is eternal, timeless...IMO.

No BFD about the airplane…I’m not that airplane. It was very cool to reminisce though and I thank you for that…you’re the kinda right seat feller that I’d a loved to get up to FL260 (26,000 ft) or so and said, “Okay pal, if ya want her, she’s all yours. Just put your hands on easy and she’ll let ya know what to do.” When I get around to finding a pic I’ll send it to you…you’d of had some fun in that bird.

Face

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

memories of days past...

Luv ya, Blue.

It’s most okay with me if you disagree with me.

I’ve done a lot of contemplating…and still do. There is many a face to facets.

Is there something in particular that you think I should be contemplating?:confused2:

I’m sorry, Blue, but I’m not into the “OT” construct anymore. I think that’s all a façade and a seductive ruse. Source and cause is ephemeral, temporal; collaboration and connection is eternal, timeless...IMO.

No BFD about the airplane…I’m not that airplane. It was very cool to reminisce though and I thank you for that…you’re the kinda right seat feller that I’d a loved to get up to FL260 (26,000 ft) or so and said, “Okay pal, if ya want her, she’s all yours. Just put your hands on easy and she’ll let ya know what to do.” When I get around to finding a pic I’ll send it to you…you’d of had some fun in that bird.

Face

For the first couple of years in my ANG (Air National Guard) experience we flew C-97s - the civilian version was called the Boeing "Stratocruiser" which was a lot like the B-29. Pressurized, Turbocharged and truly a lovely work of art. It cruised at around 250K indicated and got from Travis AFB in CA to Hickam Field, HI in comfort and style.

Later we transitioned into C-124's which were unpressurized, a bit slower - but could carry huge, outsized cargo anywhere on the globe. :confused2:

It was all good - but I vividly recall one late evening approaching "Diamond Head" which I had painted beautifully on the Radar; Don Nash, the flight engineer, drawling laconically on the intercom... well boys and girls, if we were in the RIGHT airplane, we'd be coming out of 29 thousand (feet), hours earlier, well rested and ready to do the town."

I dunno why I decided to post this...but it is such a wonderful "pleasure moment" that I just wanted to share it.

Your fellow traveller,

EP aka Mike Horton

 

[Ted]

Thanks, I don't feel "knocked" by you at all. My post was an exercise in trying to" think with" Hubbard's ideas about it, nothing more. I have never been "in" the CoS but I find Hubbard's writings/lectures interesting/entertaining. Perhaps precisely because I was never "in" and was not subjected to the real-world applications of the "philosophy", other than having a little auditing from a Field Auditor in the 1970s, and doing some TRs and Objectives around that same time. All of that was a positive experience for me.

My point was mainly that an "OT" was neither basically good nor basically bad, or could be either. I am not actually comfortable using the word "thetan" and do not think of myself or others as "thetans". At the same time, I do think "theta" is a meaningful and useful concept.

To me, the meaningful word is "Being", not "thetan". A being can exist with or without an association with a body.

A being associated with a body and playing the role or game of "human being" is likely to be basically trying to survive. Only in that context could the concept of him being "basically good" apply. A person or being can only have an orientation when he has a context(game) towards which he orients himself. It is his basic impulse to further survival of himself and his dynamics, that Hubbard characterized as "basically good".
Otherwise he simply has the potential to be good, bad, indifferent, or whatever.
So both arguments are right - "Man" is basically good, and an "OT" may not be basically good. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I never did a "PE course" so I don't really recognize the reference, but what I outlined above often seems to be overlooked.

I was also trying to point out that members of the cult of scientology, by which I mean the organized, established "church" or "religion" of scientology are way wrong when they claim their little organization somehow deserves to survive because of all the good it is doing across the dynamics.

In the context of Hubbard's explanation of the 8 dynamics that I have heard in his lectures, it is actually just an inbred self-serving little group that has about as much "survival value" to the world as the Democratic Peoples Republic Of North Korea does. It contributes little or nothing positive to the larger society, and in fact, like North Korea, I see it as a destructive cancer on the larger scene.

My point is the cult members who believe their org deserves to survive are deluding themselves and completely failing to understand and apply the basic concepts about the dynamics, survival, goodness etc, of the philosophy as laid out by Hubbard, whom they supposedly revere as the "Founder"of their enterprise.

I like your comments.

About this man is basically good stuff, there are different takes on the matter all within the framework of scientology philosophy.

Man is basically an OT. Auditors assume this perspective on their pc's all the time.

An OT is good or bad depending on the context of his actions. Without context, the idea of good and bad are meaningless. Example: Shooting someone in war is good if that someone is the enemy, bad if that someone is not.

An OT is Static, basically.

Or, man is basically a spiritual being. A spiritual being basically is -- no "good" or "bad" need apply. That would fit better with hubbard's and Crowley's, "Do what thou wilt."

 

[lkwdblds]

The accumulation of money was due to its out exchange!

Thanks for the Scientology P.E. course talk, with an "Independent Scientology" caveat re. the "Church" tacked onto the end. And there's some truth in that P.E. course explanation, so I'm not knocking you, just suggesting that you peek behind the Scientological curtain a little.

Re. the Hubbardism "thetan" - Personally, I don't use it to describe myself or others' most intimate spiritual essence - except, on occasion, when discussing Scientology, at which time I always use quotation marks. IMO, those calling themselves "thetans" are still dwelling in the Hubbard reality-bubble, and seeing the rest of the world clearly through the viscous film of the bubble can be difficult.

Scientology was at its greatest expansion years ago when it was a devious and abusive totalist cult with a thick mental-healing wrapping (which has since become thinner). In that state it survived well enough to accumulate quite a bit of money, which it now has deposited in overseas bank accounts collecting interest, and in "Orgs" (monuments), and buried steel plates, each with Hubbard's name on it.
It's "surviving" after a fashion, and as envisioned by its founder in his mostly confidential dictates.

Now, I'll let you guys get back to singing Kumbaya.

First, I want to go on record agreeing with Ted as to Atlantan's comments. I thought they were appropriate and helpful.

Veda, In your paragraph above which I highlighted in Blue, I think that the reason they were able to accumulate quite of bit of money had mostly to do with two factors:

1. It religious exemption, which it used to avoid minimum wage and overtime pay as well as medical care, workers' comp insurance retirment plans and the other obligations owed by regular businesses to their employees.

2. Out exchange with their staffs. A slave labor force in the RPF plus absurdly low pay levels for virtually all the staff, around $50 a week for work weeks usually from 80 to 100 hours long. Even the measely $50 a week was often not paid due to low Gross income in a given week.

The accumulation of money was not from running a successful operation but rather because of religious excemptions and out exchange as outlined above. There was a third factor and that is AP's, another form of out exchange in many instances. AP's are Advanced Payments and huge sums of money were paid in as Advanced Payments when the services which were prepaid quite often ended up not being delivered for various reasons.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Thanks Blue for the encouragement!

Lakey, you are a Class A processor.

That is a very nice win for your friend, but more so for yourself.

You achieved your original goal you had at Celebrity Center.

I only wish you has confronted Don at the party and told him of his wrong
indication to you.

Thanks for the encouragement and kind words, Blue!!

Update on my PC. I saw her today and she complained that she did not sleep well last night. She said her session worked but that there was something now missing and various items were trying to fill that space. I thought about how havingness is often run after a pc erases something major and put that into plane English and mentioned it to her. She had already been thinking along those lines and felt that something positive had to be placed in the gap in her mind where the problem used to be. I gave here some accupressure on her neck and head to handle a slight headache which was starting up. She handled her havingness herself by placing some beautiful images from her mystic background into the gap. She then asked me if I had time to run another session. The topic was that she felt she was changing a lot now and handling a lot of old bric a brac and a lot of the entities still in her space were afraid that they would now be gotten rid of and would be forced to leave her space and they did not like that prospect. I agreed to run that as well and our session took 25 to 30 minutes. That session went very well and she ended up beaming and happy and predicted she would not unstablize over night. I have such a good line in with her of mutual caring and respect that what words or process I use is often secondary to my intention that she will do well.

THE DON KEELER THING
The man is around 75 years old and is a bit feeble but he is at peace with himself and his wife. He is friends with Carmelo, Purple Haze, Diana Class VIII and other luminaries.. I see no reason to approach him and make waves over something that happened 38 years ago. I really think he has no idea who I am. Bumping me off the interneship was a minor thing in his life.

Carmelo said he was a fine man, Purple Haze thinks he is a fine man. Roger and Ted were writing posts about 2 weeks ago about ethics and morals and I was swayed to give up wanting to get even with Keeler by going adversarial.

THE WAY TO DEAL WITH BEING TOLD THAT YOU ARE NO GOOD - EXAMPLE- LEAVING THE APOLLO AND BEING READ SOME LRH BY MIKE MAUER.
Mike Mauer who was 19 had read me data from LRH writings that anyone who wanted to leave the Sea Org was either insane of incompetent. I knew that indication was incorrect on both counts and decided right then and there that I would prove both Mauer and LRH incorrect. My God, I have proved that point over and over for the last 36 years. I did not need to hurt LRH or Mauer but simply proved to myself and any others who were involved that I was both sane and competent.

The same thing with Don Keeler, he pronounced I was not fit to be a technical terrminal because I lacked the certainty required. Well, I have demonstrated to myself that I can be a good auditor and guide pc's to wins. Why beat up on a 75 year old Don. Actually by bringing him back into my life, I am beefing him up and making him more important in my life and that is not apropriate. He played a role, I learned something from working under him and did not go into agreement with what he honestly believed to be true about me. I did do what he asserted I was not capable of and so proved to myself that I was able. Isn't that the way to make a statement, by the demonstratioin of competence rather then by picking a fight with an old antagonist from long ago?
Lakey

 

[Mark A. Baker]

You vote for Obama. I will will vote against him. That's the beauty of the system.

Obama, yet another narcissist risen to power. There is nothing about this guy that I like. Absolutely nothing. He is most definitely not worthy of trust. What slays me is how anyone showing a dislike for Hubbard can be pro Obama. Hubbard and Obama were cast in similar leadership molds.

I will shout my opinions on the Obama matter from the metaphorical rooftops. You do the same. I just love free speech.

Obama is a lot smarter and far as I know does not lock children up in chainlockers. As to the rest, consider it part of the 3rd dynamic engram.


Mark A. Baker

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqmeB6GB25Q&feature=player_embedded

got it

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Stanford Research Institute experimental psychologist Keith Harary, and Russell Targ, a physicist also from Stanford, wrote a book titled 'Mind Race' (as in 'space race'). It contains a section on the exploitation of psychic phenomena, or the promise of psychic phenomena, by cults.

Both were well aware of Scientology, and had worked with Ingo Swann, who did Scientology's "OT levels," and later (after leaving) described them as "disappointing." Swann claims to have been a natural psychic since childhood.

From the book, 'Mind Race':

"You won't find these groups listed under 'cults' in the Yellow pages. For income tax and public relations purposes, most refer to themselves as 'Churches'. But cults differ from traditional churches in several important ways...

"In our society, a person who is beginning to experience emerging psychic abilities, or who is interested in doing so, has almost nowhere to turn for guidance. Anyone with a purely scholarly interest in Psi research can write to various laboratories or read the research reports. But this information probably will not be of much practical personal use...

"This is the dilemma that leads many people to join cults in the first place. By accepting and exploiting psychic phenomena in a society that does not readily accept them, cults have effectively monopolized the subject of psi. They have exploited many people who are interested in learning about the area, and frightened many others away from ever considering the possibility...

"People are often drawn into cults that claim to offer explanations for psychic functioning, but at great personal, emotional, and financial expense to their followers. We think that giving away your mind is too high a price to pay for psychic development...

"For some people, the exposure to the possibility of developing their own psychic potential, which some cults appear to provide, may initially help certain individuals pay attention to areas of their own awareness that they might not otherwise consider exploring.

"But prolonged exposure to any cult's treatment of psychic abilities may seriously restrict the way its initiates view psychic functioning. And it may keep them from fully developing their actual psychic potential...

"Despite claims to the contrary by numerous factions, there is no evidence of an exclusive relationship between psychic functioning and any particular leader, doctrine , or way of life. Scientific evidence does strongly suggest that the ability to function psychically is a genuine human capacity which, for many people, seems to improve with practice."

From the 'Scientology Technical Dictionary', 1975:

"OPERATING THETAN, 1. a thetan exterior who can have but doesn't have to have a body in order to control or operate thought, life, matter, energy, space, and time. 2. willing and knowing cause over life, thought, matter, energy, space and time. And that would of course be mind, and that would of course be universe. 3. an individual who could operate totally independently of his body whether he had one or didn't have one..."

For a long time, the above is what was sold as "OT 8" - which was also described as "Total Freedom and Total Power" - but that was before the Bait and Switch of the mid/latter 1970s, when "OT 8" (which never actually existed) went from being the final and top ("Total Power!") "OT level," to being the first "OT level."

Almost 60 years ago L. Ron Hubbard wrote boldly and matter-of-factly of "thetans" conquering the "homo saps" of Earth - and many a fixed glare was inspired by his words.

The "Scientology Bridge to Total Freedom and Total Power" has been around for a long time; that "Bridge":

1) was "The only hope for Mankind," and the "closely taped path out of the labyrinth"

2) It justified:

a) Security ("Have you ever had unkind thoughts about LRH?") Checking ("Are you a pervert?")

b) The Children's Security Check, with page after page of questions to be asked of children age 6 - 12, with those after 12 being eligible for adult Security Checking

c) Implantology Mind F__k

d) The Suppressive Person doctrine

e) Disconnection

f) The Fair Game Law

g) Hard Sell

h) Deceit, used in recruiting "Raw Meat"

i) Oily PR tactics, including manipulative use of "ARC," particularly "love bombing" and gushing Affinity, to "handle" people. (This part of Scientology tech is currently "out" in the CofS, along with PR tech.)

j) De facto slave labor

k) Child abuse

l) Fraud

And, now, that the millions have been made, and shipped safely to overseas bank accounts, the founder's name, and his words, carved in steel and buried in vaults, and the monuments to the founder have been built (called Orgs), there are still stray Scientologists wandering about, disoriented and confused.

Be kind to them.

By the way, I not ridiculing the idea of paranormal abilities, telepathy, etc., just the notion that the "Bridge to OT" makes "OTs." (actual "OTs"). It doesn't and hasn't, but - hey - I don't want to burst any one's red balloon, so I don't want to argue about it.

Please note the earlier link to Rosicrucian telepathy, etc. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=430680&postcount=65

Veda,

one of your typical posts, and I most certainly mean this non pejoratively.

You have, seemingly, at your fingertips, so much good pertinent accurate knowledge of "what happened?"

i go through life, not collecting data. I pretty much act intuitively. I would never consider myself an intellectual.

You are a PhD of the Scientology analysis set. Reading your posts , which are articulate, and well researched, and ordered is just a pure pleasure.

You do more work on this subject than I would ever do.

 

[Leon]

Lakey,

I don’t see that I pulled off some OT trick and cheated death…I just don’t look at it that way. It was truly a gift, for what reason and why me, I know not why.

Veda’s post re: SRI and “Mind Race” is exactly in concert with several of my “Readers Digest” posts in regards to the who’s and what’s that, in my opinion, “made” White Scientology.

Most folks have “psychic” abilities of one form or another, to one degree or another. Some are more “acute” than others and some of those have tried, are trying, to hone and expand them. The way I see it, most all of us have gifts and part of our path is to give of these gifts to others, and to be accepting and receptive of others giving of their gifts to us.

The Medicos never told me that my recovery was impossible...my Doctors were not expecting the extent and breadth of my recovery and they see it as a “miracle”. What they did do is remain positive with me and work diligently within the framework of all their medical skills and knowledge, step by step, day by day over a period of years. They were steadfast, resourceful and consistent. And, I know for a fact, many of them prayed for me.

El Ron was very concerned about the subject of being “Source”. His version of Scn was all about us being source within a universe of Hisself’s “Source-ness”. In effect, El Ron got us to buy into ourselves as being within his own image and view of “It” all…of being “source” with Hisself as “The Source” and the model of "Source-ness" and the possessor of the Majik "Source Boots".

El Ron spoke and wrote disparagingly about Mystics and Mysticism. In my view that was because Hisself was unable to and/or unwilling to accept and embrace the first predicate of Mysticism that is the key to open an individual’s first Mystical portal:

“This, That and It are all a Collaboration.”

In my view, we are all dealing with and within “energies, forces, influences and confluences thereof” that we don’t fully “see or get” but are, to a greater or lesser degree, aware of and part of.

You have Psychic gifts, Mystic predilections and so does Ted, Roger, Carmelo, Leon, S&L, EP, TMT, Veda, MAB, FoTi and on and on and on with so many others here…that, in part, is why we are all here, together, on this thread.

My recovery was not due to some great “OT Power” that I posses or that is "me". My recovery was a serendipitous "by-product" of acceptance of and surrender to the ebb and flow of “The Collaboration”.

I don’t see myself as having any “OT” abilities…I have gifts, as do we all, and those gifts may be enjoyed or abused…the choice is mine, and yours. The way you enjoy a gift is to share it with others…the way you abuse a gift is to possess it. The way you replenish a gift is to give some away, let it go…the way you squander a gift is to ration it, hoard it. Enjoying a gift replenishes it, refines it. Hoarding a gift squelches it, corrupts it.

I think my comments above are in concert with what Ted and Rog said so well in their recent posts.

Face

Perfectly stated. Thanks Face.

 

[Blue Spirit]

Contemplating

Luv ya, Blue.

It’s most okay with me if you disagree with me.

I’ve done a lot of contemplating…and still do. There is many a face to facets.

Is there something in particular that you think I should be contemplating?:confused2:

I’m sorry, Blue, but I’m not into the “OT” construct anymore. I think that’s all a façade and a seductive ruse. Source and cause is ephemeral, temporal; collaboration and connection is eternal, timeless...IMO.

No BFD about the airplane…I’m not that airplane. It was very cool to reminisce though and I thank you for that…you’re the kinda right seat feller that I’d a loved to get up to FL260 (26,000 ft) or so and said, “Okay pal, if ya want her, she’s all yours. Just put your hands on easy and she’ll let ya know what to do.” When I get around to finding a pic I’ll send it to you…you’d of had some fun in that bird.

Face

On the contemplating, I had nothing specific in mind.
Just giving some power to you as a spirit.

I would like to get a replacement word for OT, as I now use it generically,
not to refer to parts of a wobbly broken down "Bridge".

Your description of Source and Cause seems right to me.

The general concept of spiritual abilities is something that I have great interest in though,
and I am pursuing those interests with a few recent wins and many earlier.

I have an amazing set of C/Ses. The right one is always there with a very direct A-to-B handling.
After the suppressive crap in the CO$, I fully deserve it, although it is so magical I still haven't 100% adjusted.

After the confines of Scientology I'm enjoying buying all kinds of books on
"spiritual tech". There is case in the way to fix before being able to do the direct things I intend to do.

I would say that my "spiritual teammates" must be damn lonely and getting
rather impatient by now. Someone told me that my "fileclerk" is one, which
isn't quite real. He does well for this lifetime, but poorly for earlier.
Should I fire him ?

I recalled recently that the first spiritual book I read this lifetime was
"The Here And Hereafter" by Ruth Montgomery, which was about channeling
and I believed every word. Now it is happening to me, albeit with a small via.


Thank you for the right seat picture. I flew right seat in a Cessna 310 twice.
Once private and once on a feeder airline at gross with a lady pilot (I was just a passenger). I recall the thing coming out of the sky on landing like a brick and only a last minute burst of power gave us a rough but safe landing.

When I get my spaceship, I'll give you a right seat ride.
I can't recall just yet where I parked it. I asked for help and was refused,
I think because it is being used as an "OT" drill.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I use no drugs or alcohol, and only coffee on a long road trip. One cup of cold
coffee will keep me going for longer than I care to drive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClnFbpbpUOA

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

I vividly recall one late evening approaching "Diamond Head" which I had painted beautifully on the Radar; Don Nash, the flight engineer, drawling laconically on the intercom... well boys and girls, if we were in the RIGHT airplane, we'd be coming out of 29 thousand (feet), hours earlier, well rested and ready to do the town."

I dunno why I decided to post this...but it is such a wonderful "pleasure moment" that I just wanted to share it.

Your fellow traveller,

EP aka Mike Horton

Seems to me, that I remember a time, when ALL PILOTS drawled laconically. Many's the time I was flying in any airliner, Pan Am, PSA, TWA, National, United, and even if the plane was bucking like a bronco in some thunder storm, the pilot would be as cool as a cucumber, and draw his words out slowly, without a worry in the world. Rather like a certain test pilot, who worked for the government.

My favorite story about the pilot was when he and a bunch of fellow cohorts were on a transport plane. During the ride, one by one, slowly, each of the passengers left their seat, and walked to the tail. As the pilot was landing, they all ran to the front bulkhead, giving the pilot an adrenaline shot.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Veda, I simply do not agree with your claim above that Scientology does not produce any state of OT per se. I have OT like abilities which Scientology helped me bring to the fore. The Magic Thetan lives in a world of OT like abilities much greater than mine. Face pulled off an OT like ability in cheating death and redeveloping his skills which the medicos told him would never happen.

I have the ability to pick up the thoughts of many if not most people. I learned to do accupressure message from an accupressure therapist and that had not much to do with Scientology. However, I did use the theory in the assists pack, relating as to why touch assists had workability, why contact assists worked and why the body comm process worked. I also picked up some theory from my study of OT III and NOTS relating to living beings beings being present around people's bodies or inhabiting their spaces.

Using my ability to pick up thoughts, plus accupressure tech plus some of Hubbard's theories, I have over the years formed my own healing therapy which only recently I brought out of the moth balls and began using heavily. The results have been just spectacular!! I did two sessions yesterday, one live and one by phone and I solved two enormous problems which two women, who are best friends were having. Both my sessions took 45 minutes. Had they gone to traditional medicine, they would have been prescribed drugs, had they gone to C of S, they might have gotten some help if they had a good C/S and a good auditor and spent $10,000. Probably Carmelo could have handled them, the chances are that Roger could have given them some processes which are likely to have handled them but I was able to do it on both women in in 45 minute sessions I did this for free asking nothing in return.

I have an ability to pick up the thoughts of the person I am working on. They know it and I know it. No naysayer on ESMB can negate that effectively. What is happening is that I find the harmful thought or thoughts which are causing them physical or mental trauma and indicate that to them and get them to talk about it. I then steer the conversation towards getting rid of that thought.

The biggest trouble I am having is that they want me to tell them the answer to their dilemma while I am insisting that they must see it for themselves or they won't receive any benefits. This latter is another Hubbard datum which I subscribe to. One of the girls yesterday got very angry at me for not evaluating for her and giving her the answer and she got into the anger band. She said, "Fuck this, I asked you for some help, and you have my problem all figured and and instead of giving me the answer , you are just fucking around with me and playing games. I don't want to do this anymore." I acted bored and just said, "Yea, well in my technique the person usually gets very angry with me right before they make their final breakthrough and blow their problem. We are right where I want us to be and now you are fucking around, attacking me instead of doing your final steps, well I can end this session off right here or you can do what I tell you and in a matter of minutes your problem will be solved." She said, "Okay, what do you want me to do?" I said in a bored voice, "I want you to imagine in your mind the ending you want to occur between you and your former boyfriend" She asked for some clarification. I said, you have got to have an idea in your mind of how you want to feel when this session is over and how you want him to feel as well. She thought for awhile and said, well I realize that our relationship has to end now, its the best thing for both of us, but I want him to feel cool about it as well and come to the same realization as I did and I don't want to cause him additional pain. I acknowledged that and told her to imagine that the outcome she had just describe was now fact. All of a sudden she shot way up the tone scale. She said, "I see it now, yes, its all resolving for me, its resolvingl. She said, "Oh thank you so much for doing this for me and staying with me when I was attacking and insulting you" You are such a great friend. I asked if there was anything else she wanted to say and she said no and I have this new phrase I use now which is "You did well so enjoy your win, you earned it." She said, the problem I was having is totally gone its just not there anymore. She asked again, do you think my ex boyfriend is as cool with things as I am. I said, "What do you think?" She said she hoped he was but asked me again, Really what do you think? I said, I feel that he is totally cool with this outcome as well (which was true). She asked, "Is that something new you saw or did you see it before?" I said that I only noticed it just after she had her epiphany. She was totally happy and relieved. We agreed to talk the next day and that was that.

A long term problem, handled in a 45 minute session over the phone, done for free to a new friend with nothing asked in return. To me that shows some OT abilities. I would rather be able to do that than knock someone's hat off from 50' away. I can't do the hat knock off trick but I can do the above session so to me, it is an OT ability.
Lakey

These are wonderful things that you are doing. Keep it up. Write a book, go on Oprah.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Tell your kids to learn a trade

Lack of skilled workers threatens recovery: Manpower

On Wednesday August 25, 2010, 12:00 pm EDT
By Nick Zieminski

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Workers with specialized skills like electricians, carpenters and welders are in critically short supply in many large economies, a shortfall that marks another obstacle to the global economic recovery, a research paper by Manpower Inc (NYSE:MAN - News) concludes.

"It becomes a real choke-point in future economic growth," Manpower Chief Executive Jeff Joerres said. "We believe strongly this is really an issue in the labor market."

The global staffing and employment services company says employers, governments and trade groups need to collaborate on strategic migration policies that can alleviate such worker shortages. Skilled work is usually specific to a given location: the work cannot move, so the workers have to.

The shortage of skilled workers is the No. 1 or No. 2 hiring challenge in six of the 10 biggest economies, Manpower found in a recent survey of 35,000 employers. Skilled trades were the top area of shortage in 10 of 17 European countries, according to the survey.

While the short-term way to address to shortages is to embrace migration, the long-term solution is to change attitudes toward skilled trades, Manpower argues.

Since the 1970s, parents have been told that a university degree -- and the entry it affords into the so-called knowledge economy -- was the only track to a financially secure profession. But all of the skilled trades offer a career path with an almost assured income, Joerres said, and make it possible to open one's own business.

In the United States, recession and persistent high unemployment may lead parents and young people entering the workforce to reconsider their options.

WELDERS NEEDED

The skilled trades category also includes jobs like bricklayers, cabinet makers, plumbers and butchers, jobs that typically require a specialist's certification.

Older, experienced workers are retiring and their younger replacements often do not have the right training because their schools are out of touch with modern business needs. Also contributing to the shortage is social stigma attached to such work, Manpower argues in its paper published on Wednesday.

A poll of 15-year-olds by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development found only one in 10 American teenagers see themselves in a blue-collar job at age 30. The proportion was even lower in Japan.

Education could address that stigma. Students should be reminded that blue-collar work can be lucrative: skilled plumbers can make upwards of $75,000 a year, Manpower argues.

Overall, Manpower's fifth annual talent shortage survey found 31 percent of employers worldwide are having difficulty filling positions due to the lack of suitable workers available in their markets, up one percentage point over last year.

for a link to Manpower's research papers, click on: http://www.manpower.com/research/research.cfm

AN EMOTIVE ISSUE

Although the proportion of employers seeing shortages is still below pre-recession levels, shortages in some countries are more critical than the global average.

Majorities of those surveyed in Poland, Singapore, Argentina and Brazil reported shortages. In Japan, 76 percent had trouble finding the right workers, the highest reading among the 36 countries and territories.

Examples of successful, targeted migration include an Ohio shipbuilder that brought in experienced workers from Mexico and Croatia, and a French metal-parts maker that hired Manpower to find welders in Poland.

Obstacles to such migration include differing standards for certification in skilled trades, as well as political barriers to immigration, which remains an "emotive" subject in many countries, Manpower's CEO said. Japanese employers, for example, have difficulty attracting skilled workers.

Sweden, on the other hand, is innovative and aggressive about strategic migration, for example by removing obstacles to workers being recertified in their specialty, Joerres said.

(Reporting by Nick Zieminski, editing by Dave Zimmerman)

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

FYI

Magnetic Air Generators, Inc. ~ 521 Charcot Avenue ~ San Jose, CA 95131

August 19, 2010
PRESS RELEASE
SAN JOSE, CA – Magnetic Air Generators, Inc. announced today that is has successfully completed a scheduled test of its new powerful magnetic motor. The new motor design is believed to be the lightest and most powerful modular magnetic motor in the world.
A scheduled hour long test run of Magnetic Air Generators’ 115 lb., 50 HP magnetic motor began at 12:12 am today connected to one 12-volt car battery running at .04 amps. Radiant energy was produced but not utilized during the first test. Radiant energy is used to extend the run time of the batteries.
“We are very pleased with our first test which exceeded our expectations,” said CTO and co-founder Paul Donovan. “The first test was limited to three ferrite coils of the motor’s first nine-coil segment. We will now proceed to finish building the next four segments with a PCB capable of controlling 5-15 circuits connected to 45 coils. It is estimated that the motor’s 30 powerful rare-earth magnets may provide up to 1.5 tons of magnetic force.”
“This is a great day for our employees, investors, strategic partners and suppliers, said William Bellou, CEO. “Our vision of producing the world’s most powerful magnetic motor to power clean energy generators for homes and businesses may soon become reality. We believe our new motor is capable of producing enough torque to run a 25KW generator and produce enough power to maintain a 5,000+ sq. ft. home using two 12-volt batteries.”
The world has been waiting for something like this for a very long time,” said Steven Leonard, visionary and co-founder. “We are on the verge of something that will benefit mankind. Our circuits work, our motor performs beautifully… it doesn't get any better than this. Ultimately we will change the way we power our world.”
Magnetic Air Generators, Inc. was founded in 2008 to provide low cost clean energy generating devices utilizing the company’s proprietary magnetic motor and air compression technology for homes and businesses, cars, boats, trains and planes.
For more information about our technology, call Dan Bresnahan at (603) 490-9593, or email him at [email protected].

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

pretty cool video of storm moving onto beach (1 and 1/2 minutes)

http://video.yahoo.com/network/100024552?v=8062269