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Terril park

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No idea, Terrill.

Would like to out them, so the third party/gossip line could stop.

But hey, what the f..k, it is getting the word out of my mouth and to God's ear...

:whistling:I am HEAVEN SENT [MANY HAVE TOLD ME SO, AND MANY MORE HAVE CALLED ME AN ANGEL...BUT I CAN BE, OH, SO VERY VERY BAD AND SOMETIMES I DO DESERVE A SPANKIE! LOL:omg:]

HEY, BB, YOU'RE OUR BEST INVESTI-GATOR AND I LOVE YOU DEARLY. PRETTY PLEASE, WOULD YOU FIND OUT FOR LITTLE OLE' ME?

AMEN! TO THAT

hopefully you'll visit us again soooon, bb. we need some of your brilliance over here. YAY!

ALOHA!
:happydance:

Best investigator? Hmmmm.

Been doing this gig since around 2000. Never seen anything about you being a CO$ plant. Can you give mails, posts, twitters, facebook stuff
or anything to start an invest with?

Is it still ongoing? Perhaps a single weirdo who has some beef with you?

Here or private as suits you.
 
Cool head main ting!

Hi to Mick! Nice to see you here. Big Hugs to you big guy! :D

Purple Honey, no-one who knows anything here thinks that you are working covertly or overtly for COS. :eyeroll: Don't worry about that. It's laughable!

It was rotten for you to be uninvited, but Scientologists in general are not the most socially adept, adroit or gracious people that I have ever met...it was a fear-based choice on someone's part.

I don't think it's a vast whispering campaign against you at all, but if it is, it's just black pr to try and divide and conquer, also to try and harm those who are near and dear to you. Don't give it any power. Scientologists use the threat of social exclusion as a means of controlling others. Let's just not play that game...

I know it hurts to be excluded, and I'm sorry that the three of you didn't go to the party...you would have collectively been the life of the party! :D

Just keep on being yourself, live a wonderful life...the truth of who and what you are shines forth for people to see and they will...and this unpleasantness will all dissolve into the nothingness that it is...:thumbsup:

Your friends know you for who you are, and we have TREMENDOUS gravitas and street cred! :yes: Relax, you're on the side of the Angels here! :thumbsup:

Aloha nui loa! :happydance:
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
A shout out to all the good peeps at:

http://sites.google.com/site/xseaorg/

Visit if you haven't already! :happydance:

That's really great that that is there. I lived up the road from Clearwater for a few decades. I know children of Sea Org contracted individuals who had been involved for life. Not surprisingly the spell was broken for them and they did not choose to pour their earnings into their parents' church. What they needed, at least one girl, was a job and a place to stay and help getting a means of transportation. Assistance to be independent basically in the real world. It is surprising to me how grounded and of sound judgement the children of some lifetime staffers can be who have been permitted to choose for themselves. Rare, but it happens.
 

Hatshepsut

Crusader
I am not american but I sure love Johnny Cash, his voice, his songs...he is an amazing performer...

Diana

Good! I've found the best site for quality Johnny Cash videos expecially if you like The Highwaymen. The poster is biggestkrisfan on YouTube. Click his name and lots come up in HD.

I had to post this duet again as the quality is impressive in this version from The Johnny Cash Show.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpDlYMzXqmY
 
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EP - Ethics Particle

Gold Meritorious Patron
Class acts endure!

I am not american but I sure love Johnny Cash, his voice, his songs...he is an amazing performer...

Diana

really? you came to the US from north America (mexico is part of the Americas). You live in a fabulous house in LA. You are a part of the woof and warp of the US (American) culture.

the only thing that sets you apart from real americans is that you speak two languages. No real american can even speak good English.

Good! I've found the best site for quality Johnny Cash videos expecially if you like The Highwaymen. The poster is biggestkrisfan on YouTube. Click his name and lots come up in HD.

I had to post this duet again as the quality is impressive in this version from The Johnny Cash Show.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpDlYMzXqmY

Folks participating here transcend and exceed any need for labels. :wink2::biglove: And...I remember Johnny cash from these days. :yes::thumbsup::clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Roug4qG7qCY

Mike Horton, EP
 

Leon

Gold Meritorious Patron
Did I miss something? I never saw anyone with no pants on. The were all in their underwear. Get REAL America! No pants means NO PANTS.
 
appropos of nothing. just interesting

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Synsepalum dulcificum

Scientific classification
Kingdom: Plantae
(unranked): Angiosperms
(unranked): Eudicots
(unranked): Asterids
Order: Ericales
Family: Sapotaceae
Genus: Synsepalum
Species: S. dulcificum
Binomial name
Synsepalum dulcificum
(Schumach. & Thonn.) Daniell
Synonyms
Bakeriella dulcifica (Schumach. & Thonn.) Dubard
Bumelia dulcifica Schumach. & Thonn.
Pouteria dulcifica (Schumach. & Thonn.) Baehni
Richardella dulcifica (Schumach. & Thonn.) Baehni
Sideroxylon dulcificum (Schumach. & Thonn.) A.DC.[1]
Synsepalum dulcificum produces berries that, when eaten, cause sour foods (such as lemons and limes) subsequently consumed to taste sweet. This effect is due to miraculin, which is used commercially as a sugar substitute. Common names for this species and its berry include miracle fruit[2] and miracle berry. These common names are shared also by Gymnema sylvestre and Thaumatococcus daniellii,[2] two other species that are used to alter the perceived sweetness of foods. Additional common names include miraculous berry [2] and sweet berry.[3][4][5] In West Africa where the species originates, common names include agbayun,[6] taami, asaa, and ledidi.
The berry itself has a low sugar content[7] and a mildly sweet tang. It contains a glycoprotein molecule, with some trailing carbohydrate chains, called miraculin.[8][9] When the fleshy part of the fruit is eaten, this molecule binds to the tongue's taste buds, causing sour foods to taste sweet. While the exact cause for this change is unknown, one theory is that miraculin works by distorting the shape of sweetness receptors "so that they become responsive to acids, instead of sugar and other sweet things".[10] This effect lasts 15–60 minutes.[11]
Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Cultivation
3 Uses
4 References
5 External links
[edit]History

The berry has been used in West Africa since at least the 18th century, when European explorer Chevalier des Marchais,[12] who searched for many different fruits during a 1725 excursion to its native West Africa, provided an account of its use there. Marchais noticed that local people picked the berry from shrubs and chewed it before meals.
An attempt was made in the 1970s to commercialize the ability of the fruit to turn non-sweet foods into sweet foods without a caloric penalty but ended in failure when the FDA classified the berry as a food additive.[7] There were controversial circumstances with accusations that the project was sabotaged and the research burgled by the sugar industry to prevent loss of business caused by a drop in the need for sugar.[13] The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has always denied that pressure was put on it by the sugar industry but refused to release any files on the subject.[14] Similar arguments are noted for the FDA's regulation on Stevia now labeled as a "dietary supplement" instead of a "sweetener".
For a time in the 1970s, US dieters could purchase a pill form of miraculin.[10] It was at this time that the idea of the "miraculin party"[10] was conceived. Recently, this phenomenon has enjoyed some revival in food-tasting events, referred to as "flavor-tripping parties" by some.[15] The tasters consume sour and bitter foods, such as lemons, radishes, pickles, hot sauce, and beer, to experience the taste changes that occur.
[edit]Cultivation



Small specimen in a botanic garden
The plant is a shrub that grows up to 20 feet (6.1 m) high in its native habitat, but does not usually grow higher than ten feet in cultivation. The plant grows best in soils with a pH as low as 4.5 to 5.8, in an environment free from frost and in partial shade with high humidity.
The plants first bear fruit after growing for approximately 2–3 years,[citation needed] and produce two crops per year, after the end of the rainy season. It is an evergreen plant that produces small red berries, with flowers that are white and are produced for many months of the year.
The seeds are about the size of coffee beans. Without the use of plant hormones or electricity, the seeds have a 24% sprouting success rate.[citation needed]
[edit]Uses

In tropical West Africa, where this species originates, the fruit pulp is used to sweeten palm wine.[16] Historically it was also used to improve the flavor of maize bread gone sour.[6]
Attempts have been made to create a commercial sweetener from the fruit, with an idea of developing this for diabetics.[12] Fruit cultivators also report a small demand from cancer patients, because the fruit allegedly counteracts a metallic taste in the mouth that may be one of the many side effects of chemotherapy.[12] This claim has not been researched scientifically,[12] though in late 2008, an oncologist at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami, Florida, began a study and, by March 2009, had filed an investigational new drug application with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.[11]
In Japan, miracle fruit is popular among diabetics and dieters.[8][9]
Shelf-life of the fresh fruit is only 2–3 days.[citation needed] Because miraculin is denatured by heating, for commercial use the pulp must be preserved without heating.[citation needed] Freeze-dried pulp is available in granules or in tablets, and has a shelf-life of 10 to 18 months.[citation needed]
 
Thank you Carmelo. Although you and I have very different take aways from the cult of Scientology, I truly admire what you have done with your Scientology experience. Seeing how you have evolved beyond the matrix that Hubbard created has helped give me courage to believe in myself and trust my own truth.

Much of that is just plain freedom. It's something my parents gave me and instilled in me long before I started to buy it and work for it.

As far as I'm concerned getting naked in public is one of the biggest fuck yous I could ever give OSA. It's my life, my body, my choice. Get over it.

A few years ago Pixie talked about making a calendar with naked pictures of exes. It would be the symbol of us exposing ourselves as ourselves without fear. I still like that idea.

...and of course I really love my boobs. :yes:

What do you think about making a calendar of ex scio women naked posing in front of various Ideal Orgs with the Scientology sign conspicuously displayed?
 

RogerB

Crusader
I disagree with you and Ted here. Quite unusual.

Having spent time three feet back of my head prior to scn I see it as a step
towards pan determinism. .

I’m catching up . . .

Actually T, I’d say we are actually not in disagreement. I’d say you are expressing one aspect and “method” of being “exterior,” which is perfectly fine and OK.

What Ted and I are really referring to and commenting on is the detached, disconnected, unable to connect and properly influence anything, stuck nature of Hubbard. Indeed, if one looks at his history, it is a history of very shallow “contact” and of not ever completing anything and then the fraudulent misrepresentation of qualifications and/or quality of product! Note he dropped out of college but claimed to have been on the “first course of nuclear physics in the US at George Washington Uni” . . . and then the dog goes and buys a phony PhD so as to call himself "Dr. Hubbard."

I could cite many more examples of his detachment from truth and inability to truly connect with and influence mainstream society. But the above are bottom-line, rock solid examples.

Terril park said:
"The ideal scenario is for a Being to be able to permeate and be at one with and in harmony with all. Then there can be the loving and harmonious action of influencing."

This is different? If so how?

T, I would invite you to look at just how connected and present you are around the planet . . . . while you state you have a “confined” or focused presence distinct from the body located about three feet from it, I would ask you to experience how connected you are to all the folks your are in comm with hundreds of miles away from your physical body location. And the next question is: do you feel them? the ones, you are most in touch with . . . . do you experience them when you think of them or connect to them spiritually?

I raise these questions because I suspect you are far, far more “exterior” and larger than the “location” you mention, three feet from the body.

I would put it to you that that “location” three feet from the body is simply a focused presence you have assumed to perceive from while you are also present over and permeating a far larger domain of existence and while also connected and influencing a vast number of connections over a much larger spatial domain.


Terril park said:
Being three feet back of ones head in my experience is a step upward.

Not using, I sort of lost it at least spacially wise.

The ability to locate 3 feet back of ones head I consider an excellent step in spiritual progress.

Yes, and I’d say you are quite right. It is a step in the right direction. It is a method and level of spiritual awareness separate from the body, and way up from thinking you’re only a body.

My view is that it can be further upgraded.

But the distinction here between your scenario and the one we are referring to as Hubbard’s, is that you can get in and connect. Hubbard got stuck out! Hubbard got detached from society and couldn't then get back in or connect with the real deal.

Terril park said:
Exterior is almost as tricky as Law.

Lamont Jackson defined 10 categories of exterior. If ACT still has these I'll post here.

Yup! There is more to it than being “three feet back of your head.” I remember that stupid command from the 1950’s . . . why 3 feet? How stupid! Why not a really beneficial command like: Be bigger than your body, or, be as big as you can be; or some such. Or even simply: be exterior to your body! Why limit it to 3 silly little feet!?! And back of your head! :duh:

Rog
 

RogerB

Crusader
Something to Ponder On

this from: http://www.kitco.com/ind/katz/nov152010.html

The One-handed Economist took a new position in its letter of Sept. 17, 2010 shifting its commodity holdings from gold to silver. Another change of position is in a special bulletin issued Nov. 10, 2010. However, since this is so recent, in order to learn the contents a subscriber must cross my palm with silver. (See below.)

Today I would like to continue my discussion of the (so-called) Great Depression as this is the giant lie which is behind most of the other economic lies which have deceived so many people and cost them so much money.

What is a depression? It is a period in a country’s economic history where the large majority of the people become poorer. It is alleged that such a period occurred in the early 1930s. I have pointed out previously that Economic Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970, reports that during this period Americans shifted from margarine to butter. They increased their per capita meat consumption (from 129 lb to 144 lb.). And they gave (substantially) more to charity. Further, real wages rose during this period, and the savings of the average American increased in value (buying power) by 30%. This does not sound like a getting poorer to me.

Let us examine the increase in buying power of the average American’s savings. In the early 1930s, the average American saved and had been saving since interest was legalized (by Noah Webster) in the 1780s. Given an average interest rate of 5% (normal through the 19th century and up until 1933) the average person’s savings would multiply by 4.25 times over the course of his working lifetime.

Average annual wages in manufacturing in America for 1933 were $1,086. At first glance, this sounds like a small amount of money, but one must bear in mind that in early 1933 the country was on the gold standard, and prices were much lower than they are today. In 1933, a new car could be purchased for $400. A two bedroom apartment (San Francisco) could be rented for $25/mo. And a gallon of gas cost a dime. (That dime, by the way, was .075 oz. of silver, which exchanges today for $1.95.)

But I have not found that the careful recitation of statistics has much effect on believers in the Great Depression. The more dispassionate and factual I become the more emotional they become. “But, Mr. Katz, what about the bread lines? What about 25% unemployment? Have you no heart, Mr. Katz.

Actually, I do have a heart. It is the defenders of the Great Depression who lack common humanity because the lies of the Great Depression are carefully calculated to defend the interests of the rich and powerful and injure the common man. Let us examine a little history.

There was a phenomenon very similar to the “depression” of the 1930s in the period 1873-79. Prominent businessmen (e.g., Jay Cooke) went bankrupt. Unemployment was high, and prices declined.

And yet, the party in power (the Republicans) were not kicked out of office in the 1876 election. Nobody seemed to know that America was in a depression. The unemployment was absorbed fairly rapidly by the free economy, and America went on to have the greatest economy in the world for the last 3rd of the 19th century. At the same time, millions of immigrants flooded into America because, in America, the streets were paved with gold.

The correct name for such a phenomenon is a credit contraction. You have heard the expression, “Neither a borrower nor a lender be.” Well, a credit contraction is a period when many people seem to heed that advice. It may be good for some people in the country and bad for others, but there is no clear cut harm or benefit to the country as a whole.

What caused the money/credit contraction of the 1870s was the money/credit expansion of the Civil War. The two periods were directly opposite. During the Civil War prices rose rapidly. During the 1870s prices fell. During the Civil War stocks went up. During the 1870s stocks went down. During the Civil War both real wages and unemployment fell. During the 1870s both real wages and unemployment rose.

Well after these events there was another war (World War I) and the Civil War scenario repeated itself. During the war prices rose and both real wages and unemployment fell. Notice the role that unemployment plays in this. Unemployment goes down precisely when real wages go down. For this reason, if someone wants to lie to you, then unemployment makes a very good statistic. A decline in unemployment makes it easy to feign sympathy for the working man, while you are lowering his wages. It is a perfect statistic if you have an intent to deceive because it takes a complex of data and oversimplifies it. If we take a credit expansion, such as the Civil War or World War I, then this benefits the unsympathetic characters of our society (the banks and Wall Street). By replacing this complex (and correct) analysis with the oversimplified statistic of unemployment, this allows one to pose as the friend of the working man even as one is trying to lower his wages.

For example, I mentioned that average annual earnings in manufacturing in 1933 were $1086. (See, Historical Statistics of the United States, Colonial Times to 1970, Series D, 740.) But since at that time the dollar was approximately 1/20 ounce of gold (25.8 grains of gold, 9/10 fine as defined by the Gold Standard Act of 1900), $1086 was 54 ounces of gold. But of course you all know that this past Tuesday 54 ounces of gold had a value of $1400 x 54 = $75,600. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that average wages in the U.S. for October of this year were $47,216, about 5/8 of wages in the Great “depression.” In words of one syllable, in the middle of The Depression the average working man was making almost double what he makes today.

In early 1933, the average American worker was receiving 54 ounces of gold per year. If he saved 15% of this, he was saving a bit over 8 ounces of gold per year. Assume that the average worker had accumulated 25 years of savings (half of an average working lifetime) or 200 oz. of gold, and this would have approximately doubled due to accumulated interest at 5% over 25 years. Thus the average American working man had savings of 400 ounces of gold (in 1933).

But remember that these savings increased in value (due to the appreciation of the currency by 30% from 1930-33. That is, the average American worker received an additional 120 ounces of gold (almost 2½ years income) over these 3 years without doing any extra work. This was, of course, money which had been stolen from him during World War I (when prices doubled) and given to the paper aristocracy (courtesy of the Democrats). In words of one syllable, the Democrats were the party of the banks and Wall Street (despite their loud protestations to the contrary).

The Republicans, on the other hand, were the party of the common man. These idiots who pretend to be economists today do not even know that what they call “The Great Depression” was a deliberately planned event. It was planned by the Republican Party of 1919. At that time, prices had just doubled (from 1914 to 1919). Both the savings and the buying power of the average working man had fallen in half over these 5 years and given to the bankers (principally J.P. Morgan, who had fomented U.S. entry into World War I) and Wall Street. (The DJI approximately doubled from 1914 to 1919.) The Republicans saw that this stolen wealth had to be returned to its rightful owners, the working people of America. And they devised a policy to do this. Increase the value of the U.S. dollar back to its level of 1914. In other words, reduce prices in the country from their 1919 level to their 1914 level. Since cigars had risen in price from 5¢ to 10¢ from 1914 to 1919 and since the smoke-filled room was an institution of the day (the dangers of smoking being unknown), this was referred to as the policy of “a good 5¢ cigar.”

In other words, what the idiot Bernanke refers to as a mistake was a deliberate, conscious policy. It was humane policy (designed to help the working man), and it worked. By 1933, prices in the U.S. had returned to their 1914 level. (This, by the way, was the same price level, according to the Wholesale Price Index, as had obtained in 1793 – 140 years of price stability.) This was hard on Wall Street, but it was for the good of the American working man. (Stocks lost 90% of their value from 1929 to 1932.)

The Republicans were confident that their policy would be politically popular because it had been politically popular in the 1870s. The Republicans were reelected in 1876, right in the middle of the “depression,” and remained the dominant political party by standing against rising prices and for the gold standard (Tea Party members take note).

What happened in 1932 was that the media of the U.S. swallowed a giant pack of lies (taken mostly from Marxism) and perpetrated this on the American people. The media of that day played both sides of the fence. They represented the interests of the paper aristocracy and then portrayed themselves as supporters of the working class. To this day, people do not know that Franklin D. Roosevelt was a Wall Streeter who ran a vulture fund in the 1920s. A vulture fund is a (mutual) fund which swoops down on dying companies and gobbles them up. A “traitor to his class?” That was a deliberate and conscious lie.

Stories of bread lines and soup kitchens were part of the propaganda of the day. Remember, this was the era which saw Adolf Hitler get elected in Germany. It was not a proud moment in the history of the world. You have all been taught that Wall Streeters were jumping off buildings after the crash of 1929. What a bunch of malarkey. First, the 1929 crash was caused by Herbert Hoover (who hated free enterprise). He had the Fed choke off brokers’ loans, thus forcing stock speculators to dump their holdings. Second, I have researched the supposed wave of suicides in the wake of the crash. IT NEVER HAPPENED. There was no increase in suicides in late 1929 for New York State and no increase for the nation as a whole. There are always some suicides, of course. In a nation this big, you can find a few of anything, but there was no wave of suicides out of the ordinary. IT WAS A CONSCIOUS AND DELIBERATE LIE.

We can see the same kind of media lies today. You all know that in every village and hamlet today there are pharmacies telling you to get your flu shot. First, the government is involved because it pays the vaccine companies (an outrageous sum) for the vaccine. Second, in 2009 there was a campaign of lies in which the predicted swine flu for 2010 was wildly exaggerated and called a pandemic (a made up word). Not only did the pandemic fail to happen, flu deaths for 2010 are running one-third normal. That is, there was no problem, but instead of investigating the waste of money we are simply getting more lies to get rid of the last batch of flu shots which the public refused to take. Third, the vaccine itself is dangerous, containing mercury and aluminum, and it is far more likely that more people were killed by the vaccine than were ever saved by it. (My mother was killed by an earlier-day flu campaign and shot, which gave her a heart attack and led to her death.) I call this to your attention to illustrate just how naïve and gullible the average person is and how incapable of acting in their own self interest.

America was not this way for the period 1776-1929, but it is now. This is the world into which you were born. Those who see reality as it is have a chance, but this is a small minority.

Now what is Ben Bernanke, the apostle of the “Great Depression,” going to do? He is going to serve the interest of the paper aristocracy. He is going to print money as never before in American history. (Note, the Coinage Act of 1792 carries the death penalty for debasement of the currency.) From mid-2008 to the projected end of QE2, the U.S. money supply will have approximately tripled, and, after a lag, I expect average prices to do the same. You know what this will do to the price of gold. At this writing, commodity prices (as given by the [real] CRB index) are close to a new all-time high. This is an end to another lie, the New York Times’ fabrication that we are on the verge of a “deflation.” One after another, like the layers of an onion, these lies dominate our age, and if one does not wish to be destroyed by them, one must see reality as it is.

Thank you for your interest.

Howard S. Katz
Nov. 15, 2010
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
[snip]

[1] What Ted and I are really referring to and commenting on is the detached, disconnected, unable to connect and properly influence anything, stuck nature of Hubbard. Indeed, if one looks at his history, it is a history of very shallow “contact” and of not ever completing anything and then the fraudulent misrepresentation of qualifications and/or quality of product! Note he dropped out of college but claimed to have been on the “first course of nuclear physics in the US at George Washington Uni” . . . and then the dog goes and buys a phony PhD so as to call himself "Dr. Hubbard."

I could cite many more examples of his detachment from truth and inability to truly connect with and influence mainstream society. But the above are bottom-line, rock solid examples.



T, I would invite you to look at just how connected and present you are around the planet . . . . while you state you have a “confined” or focused presence distinct from the body located about three feet from it, I would ask you to experience how connected you are to all the folks your are in comm with hundreds of miles away from your physical body location. And the next question is: do you feel them? the ones, you are most in touch with . . . . do you experience them when you think of them or connect to them spiritually?

I raise these questions because I suspect you are far, far more “exterior” and larger than the “location” you mention, three feet from the body.

I would put it to you that that “location” three feet from the body is simply a focused presence you have assumed to perceive from while you are also present over and permeating a far larger domain of existence and while also connected and influencing a vast number of connections over a much larger spatial domain.




Yes, and I’d say you are quite right. It is a step in the right direction. It is a method and level of spiritual awareness separate from the body, and way up from thinking you’re only a body.

My view is that it can be further upgraded.

But the distinction here between your scenario and the one we are referring to as Hubbard’s, is that you can get in and connect. Hubbard got stuck out! Hubbard got detached from society and couldn't then get back in or connect with the real deal.



[2] Yup! There is more to it than being “three feet back of your head.” I remember that stupid command from the 1950’s . . . why 3 feet? How stupid! Why not a really beneficial command like: Be bigger than your body, or, be as big as you can be; or some such. Or even simply: be exterior to your body! Why limit it to 3 silly little feet!?! And back of your head! :duh:

Rog


1) Yes, that and Hubbard's limiting definitions giving hidden standards and misunderstandings.

In all the auditing I have done, and all the pc's who knowingly became bigger than their bodies, and/or distinctly separate, this position of three feet behind the head was hardly ever, maybe never, knowingly achieved. I would remember if a pc had mentioned this in session. Being separate and viewing the body from a spot in the room was more likely, but there were many other manifestations of this phenomena than documented in HCOBs.

There is a PAB reference on this. If memory serves, it is called Certainty of Exteriorization. The bottom line is, does the pc think/feel/know he is exterior, uniquely himself, separate from the body? Even being separate "in an incident" of some past experience can give one the perception of self as spirit. But there are better exteriorizations closer to present time. Athletes call it being "in the zone." Alan spoke of this during his football days. I wrote of this during my best moments playing baseball. When I stepped up to the plate I knew beforehand I would be on base because my present time was wide and my immediate future was certain.

2) Even being a thetan is a silly concept once you get over whatever block you have to focusing on your spiritual nature, timeless, deathless, located and locating by consideration. My observation is that eventually "thetan" becomes nothing more than another mental concept. It's a trained in thing -- even an implanted idea for some, a cultural thing. And silly when viewing it from the outside.

It takes a willingness to experience spirit rather than looking for it or thinking about it to fully grasp what I am talking about.
 
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