Beware the Labyrinth

[Infinite]

Ahhhh . . . it all starts to take shape. I see now why people who would point out the idiocy of being a "Christian Scientologist" are painted as suffering some sort of displaced anger. "They must be mad so their argument is mad". Heh! Clever. Still, its just more of the ole basic:

"Scientology 101: when confronted with uncomfortable facts and/or irrefutable logic, apply the ad homs."

 

[Feral]

Funny site. Leaves me with the feeling that someone poured molasses over me.

They *appear* to be clams that have strayed and have now repented.

"I SEE THE LIGHT BROTHER DAVID!"

But they sound like OSA. The site is a huge footbullet and acts as a directory to the web, it admits to an exodus and that things aren't right, those things alone will get Scios thinking.

I say we e-mail it to all the clams we can.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Another "success story" from that website...

"I also realized that I had been drawn to this group of “independent” scientologists as I was craving terminals who I felt I could communicate to, as I was not able to communicate to anyone in good standing. I used the communication line as a means of venting some of my upset, but as time progressed I heard of people within this loosely affiliated group becoming involved in activities I did not agree with, and did not want to be part of. As an example, delivery of upper levels, use of meters that are not silver certed, revising checksheets with the plans to make them available on the internet, affiliation with groups that are anti-Scientology, tabloid media interviews, and so on. I have never been involved in these activities and don’t wish to do so." ​

A Scientologist's tortured logic is a marvelous thing to behold....

This born-again Scientologist abhors activities they "do not agree with and do not want to be part of" that include:

* Delivery of Upper Levels: The author prefers the *Non-Delivery* of Upper Levels that has been religiously observed by the CoS since 1950. While they may have promoted/offered the Upper Levels, they never *delivered* even one Upper Level to even one individual.

* Use of meters that are not silver certed: Author decries a meter being repaired by a professional electronics engineer/technician whose dedicated studies earned them a university diploma--rather preferring the repair be done by an uneducated, mini-hatted kid in a sailor costume who earns $20 per week.

* Plans to make them (checksheets) available on the internet: Author is terrified at the notion of broadly disseminating Scientology materials online because it is counter-intention & off purpose, when the real game is to Clear the planet by...um...broadly disseminating Scientology materials.

* Revising Checksheets: Author believes it evil to ever revise a checksheet--the way L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige continuously did.

* Tabloid Media Interviews: Author wishes to eliminate Scientologists talking to the media, instead preferring to rely on 50 year old black-and-white footage of the cult's founder, who alternately laughs about his ex wife being dead and lies about the healing miracles of Scientology thru his rotted out teeth. ​

At least Scientologists are predictable. They always find a way to avoid anything that would solve or improve their wacky unworkable religion.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Another funky success story quote from that website:

"These posts are the result of the personal agenda of others who did not apply the technology and contain only the rants of merchants of chaos."​

So, I had to ask myself...are MY posts the result of my personal agenda?

ANSWER: Yes.

I have one of those super-sneaky 1.1 merchant-of-chaos agendas...called truth.

 

[Tiger Lily]

What they don’t realize is that reading hours and hours of entheta on the net is the modern form of the old activity of deprogramming!Stable datums are taken away and replaced with generalities and data that is impossible to verify for oneself while making one believe that “the Church doesn’t let you know the truth”… what they actually give people is a tiny piece of truth laced with a lot of deceiving lies.

. . . a technique LRH knew very, very well. . .

Don’t forsake your Bridge and your future – their only intent is to stop you from ever making it and you’ll wake up one day, and possibly not (remember RJ 68), and realize you made a decision that has destroyed you.

Control by fear -- very "theta" -- who's the chaos merchant?

The truth is: this handful of squirrel SPs will never succeed as the Church continues to flourish and prosper and expand as never before, exactly as LRH says it will in many of his policies. Meanwhile the squirrels will fall away and continue to be a nothing as history has proven time and time again.

If this isn't a generality . . . . Where's the evidence of the COfS "flourishing and prospering"? And. . . have squirrels historically fallen away? It seems to me they are multiplying. . . .


But -- 10 years ago I would have been passing this statement of "truth" out to all my friends too. . . absolutely convinced that it's "Theta" would shine through the "lies" and get people back on the bridge.

 

[The Great Zorg]

The domain resgistrant for www.onsourcescn.com is

Registrant Info: (FAST-12785240)
Bluehost.com
Bluehost Inc
1958 South 950 East
Provo, Utah 84604
United States
Phone: (801) 765-9400
Fax: (801) 765-1992

I don't know if this has any connection, but at that address is this company:
Freedom Academy
1958 South 950 East,
Provo,UT, 84606
United States
work (801) 437-3100
fax (801) 437-3149

:confused2:

 

[skydog]

Scientologist Jack Farlane is over there, posting miraculous success stories" where, like a scene from a Christian charlatan's festival he threw away a cane and walked again - hallelujah, praise LRH and pass the credit cards!!

I noticed he also mentioned that he had to set aside some cashola before going back into session.

Another valuable stable datum-if you have enough money, you are welcome back.

 

[This is NOT OK !!!!]

I need another barf bag... my stash of three are already full!



Oops, too late.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Originally Posted by BLiP

Scientologist Jack Farlane is over there, posting miraculous success stories" where, like a scene from a Christian charlatan's festival he threw away a cane and walked again - hallelujah, praise LRH and pass the credit cards!!

My favorite part of his Success Story...

"Over the past few months, I had been getting some Black PR on the Church, COB, IAS and the CNN story. No singular part of this was much of a problem for me but over time it caused me to become upset. I am a thirty-five year Scientologist and New OT V. I went PTS, crashed my motorcycle and broke my right knee on June 29th. The broken knee did not heal as it should have and caused me intense pain. I lost income and hurt the stats at my business, not to mention the upset I caused my wife and two girls."​

What is remarkable about it? He has been in Scn 35 years and is an OT V. But, by simply reading some posts on the internet, he crashes both motorcycle and his business stats.

Where exactly does the "Cause Over Life" part start to kick in there Mr. OT V? I mean, a third of a century and you can't even read a few posted words without nearly killing yourself?

What exactly ARE you "total cause" over then?

Even little kids say "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me." But....

Apparently, Operating Thetans are easily trapped and caved in by WORDS.

That's what Scientology is relying on to keep them enslaved.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Just one more thought on Mr. Motorcycle Crash.

How abominably retarded is that? Here is what he thinks:

"I read some bad words. It made me crash my motorcycle."

THAT'S why you crashed your motorcycle????!!!!!

GTFO with that insane cult why-finding!

How fucking irresponsible are these people?!! Blaming words?

 

[Div6]

My favorite part of his Success Story...

"Over the past few months, I had been getting some Black PR on the Church, COB, IAS and the CNN story. No singular part of this was much of a problem for me but over time it caused me to become upset. I am a thirty-five year Scientologist and New OT V. I went PTS, crashed my motorcycle and broke my right knee on June 29th. The broken knee did not heal as it should have and caused me intense pain. I lost income and hurt the stats at my business, not to mention the upset I caused my wife and two girls."​

What is remarkable about it? He has been in Scn 35 years and is an OT V. But, by simply reading some posts on the internet, he crashes both motorcycle and his business stats.

Where exactly does the "Cause Over Life" part start to kick in there Mr. OT V? I mean, a third of a century and you can't even read a few posted words without nearly killing yourself?

What exactly ARE you "total cause" over then?

Even little kids say "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will never hurt me." But....

Apparently, Operating Thetans are easily trapped and caved in by WORDS.

That's what Scientology is relying on to keep them enslaved.

You know, that is exactly right....wtf is his Grade 0 doing being that far out?
I think there are more Comm releases here on ESMb....at least we don't A=A reading posts as "implanting" (well, most of us anyway... ). The over-restimulation must be at an all time high in Sci Land...........

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

You know, that is exactly right....wtf is his Grade 0 doing being that far out?
I think there are more Comm releases here on ESMb....at least we don't A=A reading posts as "implanting" (well, most of us anyway... ). The over-restimulation must be at an all time high in Sci Land...........

Primitive Cultures look for 'evil spirits' as the cause of all their crop failures or neighbor Mgunzbo being eaten by a lion.

Scientology's Culture also looks for 'evil spirits' (SP's or BT's making them go PTS/Effect) as the cause of all their personal failures.

Scientology = Primitive Superstition

 

[Infinite]

The domain resgistrant for www.onsourcescn.com is

Registrant Info: (FAST-12785240)
Bluehost.com
Bluehost Inc
1958 South 950 East
Provo, Utah 84604
United States
Phone: (801) 765-9400
Fax: (801) 765-1992

I don't know if this has any connection, but at that address is this company:
Freedom Academy
1958 South 950 East,
Provo,UT, 84606
United States
work (801) 437-3100
fax (801) 437-3149

:confused2:

Don't think so. Here's the School website, I can't see any obvious signs of Scilon activity: http://www.pfa.cc/

And here's a real estate ad going back a few years for the same address but listed as a sub-lease: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1517...OVO-UT/?SourceCode=1lir2t003&Linkcode=17830&=

It may simply be that Bluehost took a lease at that address to house its servers.

As an aside, its quite fun to note that in July Marty Rathbun's number one fan claimed that OSA operative Minerva's site traced back to Bluehost, see here: http://barbaraschwarz.wordpress.com...-trying-to-imply-that-you-are-moseys-husband/

. . . which would indicate a Scilon infestation at Bluehost but not necessarily that Bluehost is itself a Scilon business. The "squirrel" site has since been relocated and a whois goes to an outfit called ENOM, INC. And, as for ENOM, it has also come up in previous attempts to track down Scilon sites, see here: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26005&start=0

. . . and so it goes on, chasing ourselves around and around in ever diminishing circles until we disappear up our own arsehole. Not being much of a techno whizz kid myself, I tend to maintain a watching brief on these matters and not get too involved in the sleuthing.

 

[Alanzo]

What's funny about that site is that they base all their arguments on references from Ron. If there is an LRH reference from Ron saying something, then it's true.

What they have not yet come to realize is that fewer and fewer Scientologists who have started reading the Internet base the soundness of what they believe on a reference from Ron. They start to demand a little more than that, like some logic, or some other source of evidence that will back up what Ron says.

Once people are allowed to talk to others, and to examine their beliefs in Scientology, they begin to test their beliefs for logical consistency, and they begin to test how sound the evidence is which supports their beliefs.

More and more Scientologists are finding out that relying on Hubbard quotes as the sole foundation of evidence for your Scn beliefs is a sure sign you are on the road to disaster.

I think, like others in this thread have said, this site can be used to show the holes in the Church's arguments, and can actually be used to get Scientologists thinking and questioning again.

Once that happens, Davey bar the door!

But I guess he already knew that.

 

[AnonKat]

The Labyrinth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufrCIwNk1zc

 

[The Great Zorg]

Don't think so. Here's the School website, I can't see any obvious signs of Scilon activity: http://www.pfa.cc/

And here's a real estate ad going back a few years for the same address but listed as a sub-lease: http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1517...OVO-UT/?SourceCode=1lir2t003&Linkcode=17830&=

It may simply be that Bluehost took a lease at that address to house its servers.

As an aside, its quite fun to note that in July Marty Rathbun's number one fan claimed that OSA operative Minerva's site traced back to Bluehost, see here: http://barbaraschwarz.wordpress.com...-trying-to-imply-that-you-are-moseys-husband/

. . . which would indicate a Scilon infestation at Bluehost but not necessarily that Bluehost is itself a Scilon business. The "squirrel" site has since been relocated and a whois goes to an outfit called ENOM, INC. And, as for ENOM, it has also come up in previous attempts to track down Scilon sites, see here: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=26005&start=0

. . . and so it goes on, chasing ourselves around and around in ever diminishing circles until we disappear up our own arsehole. Not being much of a techno whizz kid myself, I tend to maintain a watching brief on these matters and not get too involved in the sleuthing.

Cool on the research Blip!

I just replied with what I had... hopefully one thread would lead to another, ad infinitum. We all know how incredibly secretive this cult MUST BE, at all times. Kinda sums up the entire hubbard experience methinks.

Funny comment: ". . . which would indicate a Scilon infestation at Bluehost"... "infestation" would be a proper summation!

 

[Megalomaniac]

What's funny about that site is that they base all their arguments on references from Ron. If there is an LRH reference from Ron saying something, then it's true.

What they have not yet come to realize is that fewer and fewer Scientologists who have started reading the Internet base the soundness of what they believe on a reference from Ron.

Alanzo,

That site is not for you. Here is the reference. Actually, this is a reference to a reference.

If your situation is one where you may be questioning the truth of what LRH says, then
this site is not for you. Your reference is Keeping Scientology Working Series 1,
specifically point 3.

Hope this helps,
Mac

P.S. Is that an Anon site? I didn't see any real names.

 

[Alanzo]

Alanzo,

That site is not for you. Here is the reference. Actually, this is a reference to a reference.

Hope this helps,
Mac

P.S. Is that an Anon site? I didn't see any real names.

Excellent find.

Here's the whole page. Check out the reasoning here.

Can anyone spot any logical fallacies in this text?

Thank you for coming to our website. We hope you find it helpful.

We are a group of three long-term Scientologists that possess, collectively, eighty years of experience with Scientology.

Our stable datum in regards to the Church and life is L. Ron Hubbard.

Yet all of us have experienced a time where our relationship with Scientology went awry in some way or another. And, perhaps, one or the other of us have had thoughts or committed actions in the past that were against the moral or ethics codes of the Church.

But each of us, individually, made the decision to look to LRH for the solution to such situations. And when following what Source says, the answers were, and are, always simple.

We know that there are others that are in seemingly hopeless situations – with tangles that may appear as if there is no turning back.

The truth of the matter is:

Each of us have successfully overcome our specific challenges.

As a result, we decided to create this website in order to help others overcome theirs.

This website is a forum for Scientologists to post their own stories on how
they have applied LRH policy within the Church structure to sort out any difficulty they may have run into:

a) This could be one who found themselves with an unhandled condition or
situation that has been sorted out by using on-policy Church lines.

b) Or perhaps one followed the path of reading or listening to natterers and SPs – and to some degree, way, shape or form – bought into it, but then, viewed the truth and handled their difficulties on proper lines.

The real Truth is and always will be: Applying LRH Tech and policy will resolve any situation.

To that end, we offer information you can use to decide how to deal with your own life.

The information we offer is:

1. Write-ups from people who have sorted out their relationships with Scientology by looking to LRH and using on-policy Church lines.

2. Applicable Source data from our Founder.

If your situation is one where you may be questioning the truth of what LRH says, then this site is not for you. Your reference is Keeping Scientology Working Series 1, specifically point 3.

We hope the LRH data and the write-ups from others that you find here will help you sort things out.

And we hope that, as a result, you take one step closer to an eternity worth having.

If you would like to contact us for anything, use the below form. We are happy to help you in any way we can.

We are looking forward to hearing from you.

http://truthbetold.onsourcescn.com/index.php?option=com_contact&view=contact&id=1&Itemid=198

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Alanzo,

That site is not for you. Here is the reference. Actually, this is a reference to a reference.



Hope this helps,
Mac

Thanks for posting this, Mac. What is all too often forgotten by others on the board is that different people have differing tolerances for "cognitive dissonance" in their lives. The site you posted is certainly NOT for all who question the basis of scientology, but for many it may well be just exactly what they need at the time they find it to get out from under the active suppression of the Co$.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Zinjifar]

Thanks for posting this, Mac. What is all too often forgotten by others on the board is that different people have differing tolerances for "cognitive dissonance" in their lives. The site you posted is certainly NOT for all who question the basis of scientology, but for many it may well be just exactly what they need at the time they find it to get out from under the active suppression of the Co$.


Mark A. Baker

You seem to have missed that the entire point to the site is to get *back under* the active suppression of Co$.

Zinj