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lkwdblds

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Lakey,

I have two older brothers. The oldest around your age and the other one was a couple of years younger.

Around 20 years ago my oldest brother went through a divorce…he was just under 18 and she was just under 17 when they got married. They didn’t “have to get married”…it was a different time (‘58) and a different place (deep ‘Country’). He was, and still is, one helluva a horseman and cowboy.

They had two children, first a boy and then a girl. The boy graduated high school with a full scholarship for the Rodeo Team at a major Ag University. Two weeks after my nephew graduated high school he died, saving the life of his best friend.

The death of this fine, fine young man tore my brother’s soul apart and, over a period of years, became a fulcrum in his marriage. He threw himself into even harder into building his horse and cattle operation and worked long and physically hard hours that would make an SO Member feel “out ethics”.

Then the IRS came and it turns out my brother’s wife, the bookkeeper for the business, had been “fudging things” for years and, overnight to him, he was in trouble.

As things unfolded, they separated and, in my brother’s mind, somehow they’d get through this but he had to take care of the cattle and what he had slaved for all his life and he couldn’t do that when he had to come in from the pastures every night with his wife telling him how everything was his fault. His determination in the face of profound disappointment and sadness is one of the most magnificent displays of courage, honor and drive I have ever seen.

My second oldest brother lived “in the City”. He, and his wife, had Masters Degrees and were, in “City Terms” affluent. He was very close to my oldest brother, whom had “watched out for” and sought to defend him, in a physically abusive household during childhood. But my second oldest brother’s wife was very “position and appearances” conscious and looked “down” upon my agrarian oldest brother and over the years, though they lived a few hundred miles apart, the two brothers saw less and less of each other.

Shortly after my oldest brother and his wife separated my second oldest brother’s wife contacted my oldest brother’s wife and began a vitriolic and calculated “friendship” to advise just how to go about “deal” with my oldest brother. The results were quick, irreversible and very deadly. The ensuing divorce was very acrimonious and my oldest brother’s wife with the help, support and advice of our brother’s wife, succeeded in nearly destroying this fine and noble man. Between my two sisters-in-law and the IRS the fruits of 30 years of blood, sweat and tears evaporated in one year and he was near bankruptcy.

My oldest brother never asked me for any help and the only help I offered that he would accept was love and someone to talk to now and then. I took it upon myself to call our brother and ask him just what in the hell was he doing. His response was that he was “trapped” and “not taking sides”. My response to that was that this isn’t a sides taking issue, our oldest brother is our brother and he isn’t looking for “sides” to be taken but your wife sure has taken sides and she’s helping someone to hurt your brother. My second oldest brother is the one that is now deceased. He was a fine and beautiful man but I will never understand why he responded as he did to what I had just said.

After a long pause, he said, “Well, you don’t know the whole story.” To which I replied, “I don’t? No, my brother, you don’t know the whole story. The WHOLE story is this; there’s gonna be a divorce, your wife is helping to ensure your brother is gonna lose his horses, his cattle, his ranch and may well go bankrupt and you know what? The one thing that will still be unchanged when this is all over is that he is still your brother.” He thanked me for my opinion and hung up. We did not speak again for several years.

Over the next fifteen years or so, due in large measure to the efforts and “good offices” of my sister, we brothers spent some time together and got along just fine in short get togethers but there was always the dark cloud of the “issue” pervading our time together. The “issue” was left untouched until the final days of my brother number two’s life.

When the call came from my sister, telling my oldest brother that our brother was in the hospital and not expected to live more than a week or two, he dropped everything (he had rebuilt his life and has a first class little horse operation) and drove hundreds of miles into the hospital. For the next 10 days he barely left my brothers side…he slept in a big chair in my brothers hospital room every night so that his brother would not be alone. The sister-in-law that had caused him so much pain and sorrow was a basket case, heavily sedated and my brother took the lead.

Over the days, the years fell away and they were once again “thick as thieves” like they’d been when kids. A couple of days before my brother passed on, during the night when it was only the two of them in the room, he told my brother he was sorry for had happened re: the “issue”. My oldest brother, being the rascal that he is, said that that was OK, it was his actually fault as to what happened and not his brother’s…he just hadn’t “whupped” him enough when they were growing up.

I hope that you and Reuben will mend your fences some day. You’re a fine feller and I’m sure Rueben is, too. Time is fleeting, life is short but bonds of brothers run deep and are unique.

Face:)

Thanks Face for your wonderful and touching story involving your brothers. It does ease the pain of experiencing my brother's current attitude towards me.

I believe the last sentence of your magnificent post is true, "...but bonds of brothers run deep and are unique." I DO BELIEVE THIS. Some will tell you that it is only a body thing; "you had the same parents so what is the big deal"? I don't believe that one lick. Our families are not just there for one lifetime but rather spiritual beings tend to hang out together and share multiple lifetimes with their kindred spirits.

Just reading things which Reuben writes about CCLA and what I write about it, there is a similarity of style and even viewpoint which shows through even though the two of us have led quite different lives.

I was the oldest kid and then twins were born 3 years later. The twins were named Robert and Bruce but for short we called them Bobby and Brucey. Somewhere in his late teens or early 20's Robert or Bobby turned in those "handles" for his Yiddish name of Reuben. That was a good choice! Reuben is a much more fitting name for the being who is my brother.

Alas, Brucey took ill at the age of 2 years and 6 days. In the daytime he was fine and playing with us in the garage. In the evening he was coughing and could not breath. The doctor was called but could not come until morning. About twenty minutes after the doctor arrived at 7:30 AM, Brucey died in my Mom's arms. They said it was pneumonia. Reuben and I were pretty sure that Brucey was my Paternal Grandfather, Benjamin. Ben died in February of 1942 and in November, 1942, the twins were born. I can see my Grandpa's spirit in little Brucey's face and eyes.

I am facing the fact that in this life, as a Brother, I have failed TWICE. One brother died at age 2 and my other Brother is currently not speaking to me. It is so easy to justify that I did nothing wrong and even in some pragmatic fashion, a case can be made that nothing that happened was my "fault".

However, I know better. Certainly in Reuben's case, I did not make things go right. Now, for the first time, I am also seeing that in Bruce's case, I also did not make things go right. He did not want to be with us and be a part of our family. I don't know why and yet I know that somehow, I am partially responsible for his leaving us.

Bruce's untimely death really left two year old Reuben "at sea". The least I could have done was to take up the slack left by Brucey's absence. I was only 4 years and 11 months old and did not really understand such things but I can see now that being too young is not a valid excuse for not being responsible in a crisis situation.

Society agrees that it is a valid excuse and most of us buy into that mindset but we are really better than that. To accept being too young as a valid justifier to absolve oneself for not taking various actions to handle a situation just makes us more frail, more human and less than we really are.

A being really knows what is going on. I wouldn't be surprised if this whole chain of events was set up to happen the way it did before I was born. My newly deceased Grandpa was planned to come back as my brother and he was to be a twin to another brother who was more frail. The stronger brother was to die suddenly, leaving the supposedly frailer brother lost in life. From this tragic scenario, my parents, Reuben and I were supposed to learn some valuable lessons in living and were to also receive sorrow and loss to pay us back for earlier transgressions we had committed against others.

Also part of the mix was that Reuben and I would become estranged midway through life and then re-encounter one another later in life.

If my speculations and theory are valid, then we were setting up some very difficult tests for ourselves to handle in this life. So far, we have all failed the tests imposed upon us. No one figured out the conundrum nor recognized what was taking place. Also, to date, no one has learned anything by living through all this. Finally, I see it for what it is and am going to take full responsibility for this area and see that everything gets sorted out.

Thanks again Face for your post! It helped me a lot to be able to view my own situation from an exterior viewpoint and not just be stuck in the middle of it as a "victim"!
Lakey
 

FoTi

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Lakey, I wish you and your brother the best and I do hope that you both get things resolved and love returns to the relationship (even though it may seem impossible).....before either one of you passes on.
 

Hatshepsut

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Lakey, I wish you well too.

Thanks to Rog and a small process he gave me, I look for the third party possibly causing trouble in some relationships where there shouldn't be any. What I found is that I seem to carry sometimes the third party around with me as case. I mean I've found that sometimes the individual I am having a conflict with is being "influenced".

23 years ago I was hanging around with Robert Ducharme, the R3X GPM guy. He is irrascible sometimes, hard to spend the day with. If I got angry he would giggle and then ask me to check "Who is it that feels that way?" Of course I'd just want to haul off and smack him but then I would actually be able to locate spacially where the animosity was located in my space and it would often lighten up.

Like you , I have often been perplexed at not getting what 'lesson' I should have learned from all the interpersonal drama with certain folks. Asking what I was supposed to learn from it all left me perplexed and still does. Sometimes I chalk it up to some people having an itch to scratch on certain issues. They send out an INVITATION as Johnny Raff is fond of saying. They extend an invitation to participate in the acting out of certain tissues. Sometimes I take a step back when one is sent my way and ask "If I were not available here...would this person still have a longing to act out this drama?" Sometimes its yes and sometimes no. It takes the introspection off of it for me. But also, if the answer is NO, then I try look at how I am responsible for contributing to the flare up.


Foti, I did not get until just now that you were in the video! Wowser. Pretty lady You ! :yes:
 
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I told you I was trouble

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Posted by lkwdblds

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We were very close as Brothers and had even entered C of S together on the same night. It was with the greatest reluctance that I agreed to disconnect from him.


But you did.

I am on the other side of this and it hurts.

A lot.

If you really want the relationship back you may need to do whatever it takes and then be willing to wait and see if the trust can be regained.

I wish you (both) all the luck in the world because disconnection is an abomination and should not have been necessary in the first place.

:unsure:
 

Ted

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Re: Not The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

When I hit the 50 mark I was still having an occasional cola. The next day I would wake up from a night's sleep as a cripple. Really crippled. I couldn't walk. I couldn't figure out why. But being the persistent fool that I am, I eventually figured the drink was leaching calcium and magnesium out of my body. The worst of these poisonous drinks are the store brands--worse than Coke or Pepsi.

When I was a kid we knew that if you spilled a Coke on your car it would eat the paint off if you left it on there too long.

what-happens-to-your-body-if-you-drink-a-coke-right-now/


:omg::omg::omg:
 

Hatshepsut

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I protest. :ohmy:

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Hatshepsut

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Re: Not The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

When I hit the 50 mark I was still having an occasional cola. The next day I would wake up from a night's sleep as a cripple. Really crippled. I couldn't walk. I couldn't figure out why. But being the persistent fool that I am, I eventually figured the drink was leaching calcium and magnesium out of my body. The worst of these poisonous drinks are the store brands--worse than Coke or Pepsi.

When I was a kid we knew that if you spilled a Coke on your car it would eat the paint off if you left it on there too long.

what-happens-to-your-body-if-you-drink-a-coke-right-now/


:omg::omg::omg:

I used to work outside in the heat at the a large Disney World resort as the pool bartender. Now, with all that concrete an sun you get HOT. The soda comes out of the gun. You just push the button and fill up your mug when you get thirsty. I did this for 10 years and eventually my body broke down. My blood pressure was incredibily high. It put weight around my middle. It made me crave more. All day long evey day filling up on Coke behind the bar. When I came out of the hospital I started to drink the bottled water instead. Big difference. It almost killed me. I had no idea I was drinking a litre a day. :wacko:
 

FoTi

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Re: Not The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

When I hit the 50 mark I was still having an occasional cola. The next day I would wake up from a night's sleep as a cripple. Really crippled. I couldn't walk. I couldn't figure out why. But being the persistent fool that I am, I eventually figured the drink was leaching calcium and magnesium out of my body. The worst of these poisonous drinks are the store brands--worse than Coke or Pepsi.

When I was a kid we knew that if you spilled a Coke on your car it would eat the paint off if you left it on there too long.

what-happens-to-your-body-if-you-drink-a-coke-right-now/

:omg::omg::omg:

When I was a kid, Coke was my favorite. I loved Coke. I never drank Pepsi, even though I did the commercial.

I read this article you linked to. It mentions that after drinking Coke the pupils dialate. I drank a ton of Coke on the Purif in '83 and quit drinking it shortly after. I remember, for years, that people always used to comment on my pupils being dialated and asked me if I was on drugs.....I wasn't.....but I did drink A LOT of coke as a teenager and as an adult. Some time after doing the Purif in '83, I noticed that my pupils weren't dialated any more. I always wondered why they changed. Now I'm wondering if it was because I quit drinking Coke. :unsure: :confused2:
 

RogerB

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Seems I'm Right--Ozzies ARE happy People!

Reading my Wall Street Journal on-line this morning and I see the Ozzies at the top of the OECD happiest list :biggrin:

here's the link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...2.html?mod=WSJ_World_LEFTSecondNews#printMode

Though it's possible only subscribers can access it, so I copy in below the text of it . . . there are graphs and fun pictures in the original.
___________________________________________________

Australians Among Happiest, OECD Lifestyle Index Shows
By ENDA CURRAN

SYDNEY—Shrugging off worries over the rising cost of living and a two-speed economy, Australia ranks among the top nations in the world for lifestyle and well-being, with its people working less and getting paid more than 33 other nations measured by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, or OECD, in its new Better Life index.


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An OECD index found some 75% of Australians were satisfied with their life, well above the index's average of 59%. Here, beachgoers celebrates Australia Day at Bondi Beach in Sydney in January.


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OECD: Rank the Nations
From education through to health and community networks, Australians rank highly, according to the group's survey of 34 nations, which also showed an overwhelming number of New Zealanders expressing satisfaction with their lives.

Amid growing global concern over the rising cost of living and the social impact caused by shifts in economic power towards Asia, economists and policymakers are increasingly looking at measures that gauge changes in the quality of life and affordability across industrialized nations. Last year, the U.K. government launched its own "happiness index" as an alternative to relying on gross domestic product as a basic guide to the nation's progress.

Drawing on recent polling, the OECD index found some 75% of Australians were satisfied with their life, well above the OECD's average of 59%, while 83% expect things to be even better five years from now. Life expectancy in the Pacific nation is longer too, at 81.5 years, more than two years above the OECD average. Average household disposable income is US$27,039 compared with an OECD average of US$22,284, although average wealth is below the mean.

Known for its strong economy driven by a mining boom and an unemployment rate of 4.9%, recent consumer sentiment surveys have indicated a gloomier mood amongst Australians, who complain about rising costs of living and an emerging two-speed economy, with non-resources industries like tourism and retail suffering from a high exchange rate and consumer reticence.

Australia's high ranking in the OECD survey was matched by New Zealand, which has struggled with an underperforming economy and the cost of the earthquakes that devastated its second largest city, Christchurch. According to the OECD, 78% of New Zealand respondents report having a positive experience and 90% say they are in good health, even though the average household earns less than the OECD average. The Pacific nation is famous for its breathtaking scenery and unspoiled wilderness, scoring highly in the OECD's environmental gauge by enjoying some of the world's cleanest air.


Data for the index mostly come from official sources such as the OECD or National Accounts, United Nations Statistics and National Statistics Offices. A couple of indicators are based on data from the Gallup World Poll, a division of the Gallup Organization that regularly conducts public-opinion polls in more than 140 countries around the world. More than 80% of the indicators used have already been published by the OECD.

In the methodology, the index allows users to put different weights on each topic. Each topic on the index is built on three indicators. For instance, work-life balance uses the number of employees working long hours, the percentage of working mothers and leisure time. The data are mainly dated between 2008 and 2010, although some numbers are drawn from earlier years.

The organization plans to include six partner countries, comprising Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Russia and South Africa, to represent the world's major economies.

Write to Enda Curran at [email protected]
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Not The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I used to work outside in the heat at the a large Disney World resort as the pool bartender. Now, with all that concrete an sun you get HOT. The soda comes out of the gun. You just push the button and fill up your mug when you get thirsty. I did this for 10 years and eventually my body broke down. My blood pressure was incredibily high. It put weight around my middle. It made me crave more. All day long evey day filling up on Coke behind the bar. When I came out of the hospital I started to drink the bottled water instead. Big difference. It almost killed me. I had no idea I was drinking a litre a day. :wacko:

:omg::omg::omg::omg::omg:

Coke never quite quenches a thirst either.

In the '50s we bought Coke in a 6.5 oz bottle. Later they bumped it up to 8 oz to keep up with the competition. Check out the size of the glasses in the commercial below. Now we have "Big Gulps." That one container would be more Coke than this kid had in a year during the '50s!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN_UqvcynYw
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Re: Seems I'm Right--Ozzies ARE happy People!

Reading my Wall Street Journal on-line this morning and I see the Ozzies at the top of the OECD happiest list :biggrin:

here's the link: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...2.html?mod=WSJ_World_LEFTSecondNews#printMode

Though it's possible only subscribers can access it, so I copy in below the text of it . . . there are graphs and fun pictures in the original.
___________________________________________________

Australians Among Happiest, OECD Lifestyle Index Shows
By ENDA CURRAN

SYDNEY—Shrugging off worries over the rising cost of living and a two-speed economy, Australia ranks among the top nations in the world for lifestyle and well-being, with its people working less and getting paid more than 33 other nations measured by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, or OECD, in its new Better Life index.


Getty Images
An OECD index found some 75% of Australians were satisfied with their life, well above the index's average of 59%. Here, beachgoers celebrates Australia Day at Bondi Beach in Sydney in January.


none
See each country's score in selected categories.

Click to see each country's rank in selected categories.

More

OECD: Rank the Nations
From education through to health and community networks, Australians rank highly, according to the group's survey of 34 nations, which also showed an overwhelming number of New Zealanders expressing satisfaction with their lives.

Amid growing global concern over the rising cost of living and the social impact caused by shifts in economic power towards Asia, economists and policymakers are increasingly looking at measures that gauge changes in the quality of life and affordability across industrialized nations. Last year, the U.K. government launched its own "happiness index" as an alternative to relying on gross domestic product as a basic guide to the nation's progress.

Drawing on recent polling, the OECD index found some 75% of Australians were satisfied with their life, well above the OECD's average of 59%, while 83% expect things to be even better five years from now. Life expectancy in the Pacific nation is longer too, at 81.5 years, more than two years above the OECD average. Average household disposable income is US$27,039 compared with an OECD average of US$22,284, although average wealth is below the mean.

Known for its strong economy driven by a mining boom and an unemployment rate of 4.9%, recent consumer sentiment surveys have indicated a gloomier mood amongst Australians, who complain about rising costs of living and an emerging two-speed economy, with non-resources industries like tourism and retail suffering from a high exchange rate and consumer reticence.

Australia's high ranking in the OECD survey was matched by New Zealand, which has struggled with an underperforming economy and the cost of the earthquakes that devastated its second largest city, Christchurch. According to the OECD, 78% of New Zealand respondents report having a positive experience and 90% say they are in good health, even though the average household earns less than the OECD average. The Pacific nation is famous for its breathtaking scenery and unspoiled wilderness, scoring highly in the OECD's environmental gauge by enjoying some of the world's cleanest air.


Data for the index mostly come from official sources such as the OECD or National Accounts, United Nations Statistics and National Statistics Offices. A couple of indicators are based on data from the Gallup World Poll, a division of the Gallup Organization that regularly conducts public-opinion polls in more than 140 countries around the world. More than 80% of the indicators used have already been published by the OECD.

In the methodology, the index allows users to put different weights on each topic. Each topic on the index is built on three indicators. For instance, work-life balance uses the number of employees working long hours, the percentage of working mothers and leisure time. The data are mainly dated between 2008 and 2010, although some numbers are drawn from earlier years.

The organization plans to include six partner countries, comprising Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Russia and South Africa, to represent the world's major economies.

Write to Enda Curran at [email protected]

Just to hazard a wild assed guess, I would think that lower population density is a major contributor to the happiness of a population. Australia, about the size of the continental USA has 22.6 million people and the USA has well over 300 million. Do the math, people have more SPACE to live in Australia and New Zealand. Lower population density produces less congestion, less traffic, less pollutiion, etc.

I know there is a reverse side to the coin and that would be lower randomity. In some densely populated countries people are still happy. The Netherlands and Swizerland are good examples. Probably the best example is Japan with 125 million people in an area smaller than California. Japan seems to work because the people have a strong national purpose. They believe they are exceptional people with a destiny and so they are.

Again, just guessing, Australia has a lot going for it. There is low population density but still plenty of randomity. There is plenty of room to roam but also several large metropolitan centers offering all the glitz and high tech which this world has to offer. Not only that but their country is full of natural beauty, interesting animals and things that are not found in other parts of the world. I've never been there but would really like to experience it. Just the thought of a USA sized country with only 22.6 million inhabitants conjures up ideas of how much fun it would be to cavort, play around and explore in such a vast playground.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
The Preclear as PlayDough

Surely some tech nerd could figure out the circuit path of e-meter current--couldn't they? After watching this video I wondered if high blood sugar would give a high TA. Who knows? Say your pc comes to session with a low TA. Would consuming a candy bar put the TA back in normal range? Say the TA is high. Could lifting weights bring it back to normal range by burning off excess sugar? I don't know about the sugar aspect, but exercise will lower a TA.

My anecdotal information is this: As I grow older and as my blood sugar rises, my TA is also higher than it used to be in days of yore.

As I said, it just an anecdote. :wink2:

4:09, give it a look. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M3Dow20KlM
 

lkwdblds

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Re: Not The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

When I was a kid, Coke was my favorite. I loved Coke. I never drank Pepsi, even though I did the commercial.

I read this article you linked to. It mentions that after drinking Coke the pupils dialate. I drank a ton of Coke on the Purif in '83 and quit drinking it shortly after. I remember, for years, that people always used to comment on my pupils being dialated and asked me if I was on drugs.....I wasn't.....but I did drink A LOT of coke as a teenager and as an adult. Some time after doing the Purif in '83, I noticed that my pupils weren't dialated any more. I always wondered why they changed. Now I'm wondering if it was because I quit drinking Coke. :unsure: :confused2:

Now being involved with alkaline water and seeing a lot of water demonstrations, I have become painfully aware of how harmful cola drinks are to one's health. I am drinking exclusively Kangen water and notice a large improvement in my health and body functions. Probably, any alkaline water would work, not just Kangen. Besides being alkaline, the water benefits from being ionized and having smaller molecule size than ordinary water. This enables the water to quickly permeate and hydrate one's internal organs.

To cause one glass of Coca Cola or Pepsi to become alkaline, 32 glasses of Kangen water would have to be added to it. The degree of acidity in the colas is truly astounding. This goes not just for colas but for all soda type drinks.

It is amazing that society and our FDA, etc. accept these drinks as virtually harmless except for their high sugar content. Basically, the drinks are deadly. It takes a long time, a number of years of heavy usage, but eventually those drinks will destroy one's health.

Dropping cola and drinking filtered water is a big step towards improving one's health. My opinion is that moving up from filtered and pure water to alkaline, ionized and small molecule sized water is a huge step towards slowing down the aging process and rejuvinating one's body!
Lakey
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: Seems I'm Right--Ozzies ARE happy People!

Just to hazard a wild assed guess, I would think that lower population density is a major contributor to the happiness of a population. Australia, about the size of the continental USA has 22.6 million people and the USA has well over 300 million. Do the math, people have more SPACE to live in Australia and New Zealand. Lower population density produces less congestion, less traffic, less pollutiion, etc.

I know there is a reverse side to the coin and that would be lower randomity. In some densely populated countries people are still happy. The Netherlands and Swizerland are good examples. Probably the best example is Japan with 125 million people in an area smaller than California. Japan seems to work because the people have a strong national purpose. They believe they are exceptional people with a destiny and so they are.

Again, just guessing, Australia has a lot going for it. There is low population density but still plenty of randomity. There is plenty of room to roam but also several large metropolitan centers offering all the glitz and high tech which this world has to offer. Not only that but their country is full of natural beauty, interesting animals and things that are not found in other parts of the world. I've never been there but would really like to experience it. Just the thought of a USA sized country with only 22.6 million inhabitants conjures up ideas of how much fun it would be to cavort, play around and explore in such a vast playground.


When I saw Helen Reddy I knew that Australia had everything going for it as far as I was concerned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmifO2sKT7g&feature=related
 

lkwdblds

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Okay, Lakey, I'm not quite sure why you are confused, but....I'll try again. The corner of Van Nuys and Ventura was a gas station on the northwest corner, a news stand on the southwest corner, another gas station on the southeast courner and a corn field or vacant land on the northeast corner. It's still the same today except for the tall building on the northeast corner where the cornfield was when I was in high school.

The main town or drag of Sherman Oaks at that time was only a couple of blocks long and there were no drive-ins there. The only drive-in at that time was Bob's Big Boy out in Van Nuys near Van Nuys High School, on Van Nuys Blvd which is several miles from Ventura Blvd. That's where the kids used to cruise with their cars at night showing off their low rider cars and trying to impress and pick up chicks.....on Van Nuys Blvd, not on Ventura blvd That activity gradually grew until later the cars ended up cruising Ventura Blvd, as well....that is, until the police eventually put an end to it.

There still were no drive-in restaurants on Ventura Blvd in that area. The only one at that time was Bob's Big Boy on Van Nuys Blvd, near Sherman Way. There was also one in Toluca Lake, on Riverside Drive, which was quite a ways from Van Nuys and Ventura Blvd.

I do seem to remember a drive-in that was in Hollywood, somewhere near La Brea and Sunset blvd?...I think it was called Tiny Naylors and my mother used to take me there sometimes for a hamburger when I was very small. They smelled so good! And I seem to remember that the waitresses there had roller skates, but I don't recall them wearing any cheerleader outfits. I only remember waitresses on roller skates with short skirts in the movies.

I was talking about where I grew up and the corner of Van Nuys Blvd and Ventura Blvd and the couple of blocks that was originally Sherman Oaks. Now....because you said that you remembered it being built up, I just put up a picture of Studio City which is miles from Sherman Oaks to show you that ..... that area of Ventura Blvd was built up at that time. The short block or two that was Sherman Oaks on Ventura Blvd back then is still pretty much the same today....small shops.

The area that has turned Neon and was startling to me is about a block or so west of Van Nuys Blvd on Ventura Blvd. That area has built up since I was in high school and there is a lot of night life and neon there. It wasn't there when I was in high school back in the late 50's.

Also the northeast corner of Van Nuys Blvd and Ventura Blvd was a cornfield that extended for several blocks in both directions when I was growing up. It was still there when I was in highschool, but has since been filled in with a tall building on the corner and is no longer an empty field. And the northwest corner next to the gas station on Van Nuys Blvd has a tall building as well. And the vacant land that I used to see when I rode home from school on the bus is all gone....all filled in now with buildings that weren't there when I was going to school. That's what I was talking about.

Are you still confused?


I was most impressed with the dummy in jail at Knoxberry Farm when I was little. He would talk to me and I couldn't see who was doing the talking or where they were hiding to see what I looked like, since he would call me blondie. LOL I loved the biscuits with butter and Boysenberry jam that they served with dinner. Yumm...

Also, on Balboa Island, near where the ferry landed, there was doughnut shop and I used to go there in the morning and buy doughnuts for everybody staying at our house. They had the best doughnuts I think I ever ate. And the Jolly Roger restaurant.....remember that? They had wonderful sundaes and the offer if you could eat two of their giant sundaes, with all flavors of ice cream and all kinds of syrup, you would get the third one free. I never saw anyone get a free one. LOL They also had a stand out front where they sold tacos and rootbeer. Dang those were good. I loved those two summer vacations on Balboa Island.

Yep...I was the all American girl in the early 60's....exactly what they were looking for....that's how I got work.

Reminiscing about stuff in the L.A. area is making me wish I was there again. L.A. and the surrounding areas have a lot more to do and are a lot more interesting than where I live now. ....but....there is no way I could ever afford to come back there to live and I've had enough earthquakes to last me forever, so I guess I'll just stay where I am.

Sherman Oaks was actually a very nice area to grow up in back in those days. I didn't really appreciate it as much then as I do now....I just sort of took it for granted that everywhere else was pretty much like where I lived. I was pretty sheltered .... my parents didn't want me to see the poorer side of life, which is quite unfortunate, because....if they had allowed me the freedom to explore the world and see what was out there, I probably would have made different choices in life and would have been in a better position today.

If we do go on to live another life, hopefully I've learned something and will be a little smarter and make better choices next time. I really blew it this time.

Okay, FoTi, you cleared it all up for me now! Thanks for your patience! Tiny Naylor's was a popular chain of restaurants in Southern California for decades. There was still a Tiny Naylor's in Long Beach near Cal State Long Beach about 10 years ago. I found it and ate there several times. It was not that good, Norm's and Denny's were much better! Finally they sold out and it appears that the chain closed down.

The waitresses on roller skates wearing short chearleader dresses definitely existed outside of the movies. There is still one such place in Anaheim on State College Blvd. about 2 miles north of the Angels stadium called Angelo's Also in Downey, they had a great drive in called Frisco Burger where I ate a lot in the late 1980's. Both of those places had the cheerleader clad waitress on roller skates. I remember that some of the A & W Root Beer stands had drive in, roller skate waitresses in the early 1960's but they were clad without the short skirts.

I believe there is a newer drive in called "Sonic" where there are waitresses and waiters on skates but I believe they now wear pants. The only time I went to one was last year when Lorinda and I wanted to get a cup of coffee on a Sunday evening and nothing was open. We tried the Sonic drive in and got our coffee.

The most popular item at the drive in restaurants was a "cherry coke". This is probably one of the most unhealthy concoctions ever served to the public, Coca Cola or Pepsi mixed with some cherry flavored syrup which was made with artificial chemicals, tasting and smelling like cherries. Teen agers can get away with drinking this crap and I tried the cherry coke a few times as a teen-ager.

Well, FoTi, if you can't afford to live in SoCal, you could come for a visit. What about that? There are many exes here for you to meet up with.
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