The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Nice twist, FoTi . . .

I'm trying to figure on the chemistry involved One being acid and the other alkaline . . . at least I know you should have got a lot of bubble and fizz

Actually, on the point of baking soda, I'll reveal a little secret I use in my "kitchen" . . . .

Sometimes, when V and I buy/test a new wine, we will find it a little too acidic for our taste . . . the remedy is a little (very little) baking soda to reduce the acid. This then allows the other flavors of the wine to shine through . . . and quite often produces a lovely wine or at worst renders what beforehand was an unpleasant wine pleasant and drinkable

R

Hey! That never occurred to me! I had the attitude that wine is what it is, year, type, country of origin, etc. No screwing around with it.

When it comes to baking soda, I use Bob's Red Mill, Aluminimum Free when it is scheduled to go into my body. But any old baking soda will do for scrubbing cars, trucks, swimming pool, cleaning, and other uses.

I have learned something new today. Should I quit now or go for a stat increase?

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Hey! That never occurred to me! I had the attitude that wine is what it is, year, type, country of origin, etc. No screwing around with it.

When it comes to baking soda, I use Bob's Red Mill, Aluminimum Free when it is scheduled to go into my body. But any old baking soda will do for scrubbing cars, trucks, swimming pool, cleaning, and other uses.

I have learned something new today. Should I quit now or go for a stat increase?

Well Sir,

I think the collective wisdom of the Apollo 73 gang should scrape around and see what other wisdom we can come up with to keep your stat graph rising

But on the wine thing, being an inveterate on the thing, I can assure you nearly all wines can be fiddled with to improve their appeal. I will routinely mix my wines, as in blend them, to balance the features of each to better suit my palate . . . . but my baking soda trick I am most famous for and it does, I assure you, astound many a guest at our dinner table.

Which begs the question . . . when are you headed my way?

Rog

 

[FoTi]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Nice twist, FoTi . . .

I'm trying to figure on the chemistry involved One being acid and the other alkaline . . . at least I know you should have got a lot of bubble and fizz

Actually, on the point of baking soda, I'll reveal a little secret I use in my "kitchen" . . . .

Sometimes, when V and I buy/test a new wine, we will find it a little too acidic for our taste . . . the remedy is a little (very little) baking soda to reduce the acid. This then allows the other flavors of the wine to shine through . . . and quite often produces a lovely wine or at worst renders what beforehand was an unpleasant wine pleasant and drinkable

R

No...not a lot of bubble and fizz. I didn't use that much vinegar. Just sprayed it on and then sprinkled the baking soda on it .... I made it the consistency of a kind of wet rubbing compound. It didn't take very much... rubbed it down with a paper towel. Used Arm and Hammer.....saved the good aluminum free stuff for edible things.

When I first moved into my apartment, the dishwasher was growing some kind of icky black mold in the bottom where the water accumulated and sat. Yuck. I dissolved washing soda in some hot water and dumped it in and let it sit for about an hour. Then I poured in about a cup of vinegar and it bubbled and fizzed and made noise for about an hour. After it got quiet, I ran the dishwasher and when it was done all the black gunk was gone and it smelled sweet and fresh.

I never use detergent for my laundry. I use borax and baking soda 1/2 and 1/2. I love what nature provides to clean with.

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Well Sir,

I think the collective wisdom of the Apollo 73 gang should scrape around and see what other wisdom we can come up with to keep your stat graph rising

But on the wine thing, being an inveterate on the thing, I can assure you nearly all wines can be fiddled with to improve their appeal. I will routinely mix my wines, as in blend them, to balance the features of each to better suit my palate . . . . but my baking soda trick I am most famous for and it does, I assure you, astound many a guest at our dinner table.

Which begs the question . . . when are you headed my way?

Rog

Good question!

I haven't been to the city since, oh, 1959. I suppose much has changed, and much has stayed the same?

I will have to look into a trip more seriously than a daydream.

:wink2:

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

cults

Has anyone noticed the Joe Paterno brouhaha at Penn State?

It seems here was this coach about 10-15 years ago, who was seen by a football player raping a young boy in the locker room. Instead of breaking the coach's face, the player reported to the head coach, Paterno, what he saw. Paterno told the Athletic Director, who did nothing.

Football is a religion at Penn State. Joe Paterno is God. Nobody chose to do the right thing. It might have brought disrepute to the football team.

Now the Pennsylvania Attorney General is looking into this, and arrests are being made.

Not unlike some of the bad things that have gone down in Scientology, where no one chose to do the right thing. It might have brought disreputable attention to Scientology

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Stolen from the pages of ESMB

Face,

You and others have mentioned LRH and DM and Marty even "going for the gold." And everyone knows about the emphasis in the COS on money, money, money until all one's money is gone . . . and then some. And I did see all that and do get all that.

However, in normal commercial businesses in the world there's a purpose for all the pressure and greed: someone(s) get rich. Real rich. Millions and billions rich. Whether it's CEOs, partners, employees. shareholders, etc.

I don't see this happening in the COS though, unless I'm missing something extraordinary. The only people that might be getting personally rich in all of this is maybe DM, though it's not really easily provable, and then a bunch of lawyers and PIs, maybe.

If anything, the COS seems like an automatic machine that's been set up to gather money on one end and waste it on the other. Sorta mulching money like a tree trimming machine out into the air. When it's just easy to get (donations with no exchange), it's real easy to waste and toss around.

Same goes with the Hubbard estate. Where did all that go? Doesn't seem like the family got enough to talk about. If it all went to build the caves to store the engraved steel plates, well today there's much more affordable solutions to store digital data nearly forever.

In which case, all the work that went into amassing the small personal fortune was for naught in the end. Nothing came of it as far as I can see. Just frittered away maybe. Did it go back into the SO reserves, the war chest?

I guess I don't understand the ongoing motivation to keep amassing money here. In the real world, someone benefits directly and there's the daily motivation.

Legally, DM shouldn't be able to do this. Inurement.

Do I have a "blind spot" about all this?

I know when one gets older and has a bit more wisdom, you really see that "you can't take it with you" and money for money's sake has a lot different importance to you than when you're younger. When you're older health, more quality time and good friends really mean a lot more as long as you've got enough money to get by on for a bit more.

I just don't get the "prime mover" nowadays on the whole money angle . . . years ago, yes, but today, not really.

Can ya help me on this one?

ILove2Lurk

Face answered this at "David Miscavige's abuses and violence," but I would like to give a more metaphysical take:

There are people, in many walks of life, who are suffering from the feeling of not having enough. It is not rational or logical.

David Mayo spoke of LRH telling him that he (LRH), wanted lots of money.

I've had customers, who, if you gave them a discount, they'd want a bigger one. They can't be happy with what they have.

I read a book several years ago, "Thick Face, Black Heart" - it dialed me into what I see in many people on our shores from China and India, especially. The notion that business is cut throat, and any advantage gained is fair. Trying to wheedle, brazen, bully any work for free, any product for free. Not a mutual aid exchange, but "Never give a sucker an even break" attitude.

It is a spiritual vortex, that I am looking at, a black hole of "need" "desire" with no ethics or scruples. We seem to be seeing a lot of it. As Gordon Gekko said, "Greed is good."

I think the opposite of this is something or someone like the good side of John McMaster, a giving, pan determined, fair minded person, a producer of high quality.

There is unmitigated inflow and there are those who out put prodigiously.

A person in good shape radiates good will, help, action.

A collapsed person is a black hole of desire.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Re: Stolen from the pages of ESMB

Face answered this at "David Miscavige's abuses and violence," but I would like to give a more metaphysical take:

There are people, in many walks of life, who are suffering from the feeling of not having enough. It is not atonal or logical.

David Mayo spoke of LRH telling him that he (LRH), wanted lots of money.

I've had customers, who, if you gave them a discount, they'd want a bigger one. They can't be happy with what they have.

I read a book several years ago, "Thick Face, Black Heart" - it dialed me into what I see in many people on our shores from China and India, especially. The notion that business is cut throat, and any advantage gained is fair. Trying to wheedle, brazen, bully any work for free, any product for free. Not a mutual aid exchange, but "Never give a sucker an even break" attitude.

It is a spiritual vortex, that I am looking at, a black hole of "need" "desire" with no ethics or scruples. We seem to be seeing a lot of it. As Gordon Gekko said, "Greed is good."

I think the opposite of this is something or someone like the good side of John McMaster, a giving, pan determined, fair minded person, a producer of high quality.

There is unmitigated inflow and there are those who out put prodigiously.

A person in good shape radiates good will, help, action.

A collapsed person is a black hole of desire.

Nicely put!


The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: Stolen from the pages of ESMB

Face answered this at "David Miscavige's abuses and violence," but I would like to give a more metaphysical take:

There are people, in many walks of life, who are suffering from the feeling of not having enough. It is not atonal or logical.

David Mayo spoke of LRH telling him that he (LRH), wanted lots of money.

I've had customers, who, if you gave them a discount, they'd want a bigger one. They can't be happy with what they have.

I read a book several years ago, "Thick Face, Black Heart" - it dialed me into what I see in many people on our shores from China and India, especially. The notion that business is cut throat, and any advantage gained is fair. Trying to wheedle, brazen, bully any work for free, any product for free. Not a mutual aid exchange, but "Never give a sucker an even break" attitude.

It is a spiritual vortex, that I am looking at, a black hole of "need" "desire" with no ethics or scruples. We seem to be seeing a lot of it. As Gordon Gekko said, "Greed is good."

I think the opposite of this is something or someone like the good side of John McMaster, a giving, pan determined, fair minded person, a producer of high quality.

There is unmitigated inflow and there are those who out put prodigiously.

A person in good shape radiates good will, help, action.

A collapsed person is a black hole of desire.

Good observations.

I worked in the hotel/motel industry for years. Usually the bigger ones where international conventions were held in areas of high tourism. These establishments got BIG perks for creating jobs and hiring from almost every corner of the planet. For years I observed that employees who came out of extremely impoverished countries had quite an axe to grind when operating with big corporate money which could be easily diverted at the bottom of the spectrum. It really was like fighting a black whole at times trying to keep cash for services and incoming stock going to the correct destination. And don't get me started on those taxi drivers out front ready to take you to the airport.

Most Orlando management teams ousted had a team of people that left with it because corporate money went into the wrong pockets. Same thing over and over and over. It's not to say that the more well off employees don't take from employers but this other phenomena was like the revenge of a million foreigner Robin Hoods looting to fill a black hole left by some absence..

And I think that many Americans were furious around the turn of the millenium talking to agents representing Hewlett Packard, or Travelocity, or Earthlink. It seemed the young men on the phone took your money for services and customer support and gave a person no resolution and got off on it. Like the wealthy westerners deserved having their credit cards charged for anything they could rip ya off for. Thank goodness the worst of that has passed.

Well maybe it's not a black hole....maybe its a dramatization of 'getting even' for the prior fact that one's universe was collapsed and one had no power....But then a black hole can eat up those things that have substantiality as if it is jealous of the lighted world. Just look at some of this country's depressed and abandoned neighborhoods.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Laughing my ass off here

[video=youtube;9Q1gksqqhLU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9Q1gksqqhLU[/video]

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: apropos of nothing

...too risque for Ted this early. Found old fart videos of corn fed girls of the 50's. Blaze Star was HOT!

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[Ted]

Re: apropos of nothing

...too risque for Ted this early. Found old fart videos of corn fed girls of the 50's. Blaze Star was HOT!

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Hey, I'm right here!

Bring it on!

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Whoooops...there it is!

deleted again....but i see you quoted my last post already. Double oooopsy.
I had seen the film with Lolita Davidovich and Paul Newman and Harvey Keitel called "Blaze" and stumbled on this in the 1950's Youtube commercials line up.

 

[Ted]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Whoooops...there it is!

[video=youtube;Cso3CxWJzoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cso3CxWJzoM[/video]

That was interesting... in a primitive sort of way.

 

[Ted]

More Shameless Promotion

This is for all the SO and staff who have come to believe that being on staff and working for "The Cause" is more important, more rewarding than the activities of we little people out here in the "wog world."

Check it out people. Life is a wonderful thing. Don't waste it on serving a narcissistic master.

Meet my baby granddaughter and her mom.

http://www.jessicaswatts.com/blog/2011/11/daylin-2-months-personal/

 

[Hatshepsut]

Re: More Shameless Promotion

This is for all the SO and staff who have come to believe that being on staff and working for "The Cause" is more important, more rewarding than the activities of we little people out here in the "wog world."

Check it out people. Life is a wonderful thing. Don't waste it on serving a narcissistic master.

Meet my baby granddaughter and her mom.

http://www.jessicaswatts.com/blog/2011/11/daylin-2-months-personal/

OMG!! Gee wowser! She's so cute it's surreal. THANKS for sharing.. I went to the links several times when you put them up lately but did not acknowledge openly each time.

Who would want to escape the cycle of being born when it looks like so much fun. The babe's face sure doesn't look like she wants to get out of this place.
Hey Sea Org guys.....you don't really want to ditch the experience do ya?

 

[lkwdblds]

Re: More Shameless Promotion

OMG!! Gee wowser! She's so cute it's surreal. THANKS for sharing.. I went to the links several times when you put them up lately but did not acknowledge openly each time.

Who would want to escape the cycle of being born when it looks like so much fun. The babe's face sure doesn't look like she wants to get out of this place.
Hey Sea Org guys.....you don't really want to ditch the experience do ya?

Once you get to 5 or 6, being a kid can be lot of fun IF you are in a good family and live in a decent part of the world. What concerns me is having to relearn so much knowledge. I really don't know how much of what we learn is retained from life to life. Maybe one or two of our savant posters such as Roger can say something about this topic.

All this hard fought knowledge learned, often taking a lot of hard knocks and making mistakes, harming oneself and others; do we really have to relearn nearly all of our knowledge over again from scratch?

Maybe some of us will meet up again in elementary school or as teen agers in Jr. High School. What a trip to look forward to! (Yikes).
Lakey

 

[Ted]

Re: More Shameless Promotion

Once you get to 5 or 6, being a kid can be lot of fun IF you are in a good family and live in a decent part of the world. [1.] What concerns me is having to relearn so much knowledge. [2.] I really don't know how much of what we learn is retained from life to life. Maybe one or two of our savant posters such as Roger can say something about this topic.

All this hard fought knowledge learned, often taking a lot of hard knocks and making mistakes, harming oneself and others; [3.] do we really have to relearn nearly all of our knowledge over again from scratch?

Maybe some of us will meet up again in elementary school or as teen agers in Jr. High School. What a trip to look forward to! (Yikes).
Lakey

I would like to move the chat forward, but not be lengthy about it right now. Admittedly, the following rambles a bit:

1) Learning is a continuing process. If you are talking about technology, I can say from experience that being just a few years removed from the electronics industry put me so far behind that I felt I would have to start all over just to get back into it. That was 1976. I got out in 1973, went to work for HP until 1974. From 1974 on I did a complete shift out of the career path I was on and into Scn. After 6 years of Naval training and real experience I went from super-tech to dummy of not even remembering which way current flowed in a circuit.

From my present perspective, the key issue with getting into new things or even moving from one lifetime to another, if that philosophy floats your boat, is a matter or orientation vs. disorientation and the time taken to get back oriented after a disorientation.

MEST is key to orientation since the physical universe is where we have placed our attention. It is the meeting place and playing field for many beings. A loss of MEST is disorienting. Again, this loss is referring to one's life possessions and contacts as well as a between lives experience.

2) In my experience, I have retained little except myself in making the transition. I seem to recall that there are Bible references to the affect that a being doesn't get into Heaven carrying baggage. I suspect that the last thing to go is Free Will. I can't say for certain as I have refused to give up mine. But I have been to the point where I have freely given up about all else.

I have the perception that data bits of life knowledge get lost rather easily. The LRH pontification about beings fixing star ship engines, holding various posts, and different stuff "because they have done it before" is a bunch of hooey. If a being can orient to the task at hand a lot can be accomplished fast, but there comes a point where he will still have to RTFM (Read The F'ing Manual).

Close to me would be goals, purposes, objectives, family, special friends, mentors... That's about it. An awareness of these I carry with me when the physical universe has shrunk to less than an iota. All else drops away. Ya. Been there, done that with certainty. It's just a different orientation.

I spent several years hammering away on an electric guitar before I went into the Navy. I got out of boot camp, went home on leave, and couldn't remember a damn thing about it. Had some knowledge but the muscle memory was gone. Such was the reorientation of 9 weeks with Uncle Sam's people.

My opinion, and that's pretty much all I write about, is that the Grades have been so popular because they deal with social skills and experience. This is what a being needs to bone up on when they return. If you forget why you came back through the disorientation-reorientation experience, then you might need a refresher on goals and purposes, too.

3) Do we really have to relearn everything all over again? No. But you do have to RTFM once you arrive. The technologies have moved forward since you were gone. And you have to orient to the new cultures and contacts that you now face. If you can do that fast and on the fly it will appear to the bystanders that you are one special dude (or dudette). Heck, you might even start a new religion if that suits your goals and purposes.

 

[RogerB]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Nice post, Ted

One thing on this point Lakey has raised that we need to bear in mind, and that is, this lifetime we are living is likely like nothing we experienced or lived before.

I say this in the context of how we entered this lifetime as compared to how we'll likely exit it and enter the next one.

Just based on our $cn experience and and its lessons, we'll make that transition quite differently than we have done before . . . add to that all of the wisdoms we have been exposed to due to the educational and experiential facilities our civilization has made available to us in the last 100 years, and we'll also make the transition differently than in the past.

Thus, I say, I wouldn't stick with the notion that how it was or has been will be how it will be

In an earlier post on ESMB, on the thread to do with Ascensions if I remember correctly, I wrote of how, in 1963, I went through a death sequence and on to selecting my next body/family for my human existence.

What I was able to do in that event was directly the result of lessons learned in this lifetime . . . it was an event and series of actions I performed that were not as they had been in any of my former lifetimes of death sequences.

What I did was purely based on my experiential certainty that I am a spiritual Being who is immortal and who has power of choice. At this point I will also state that what I did when "out" was quite different in the context of awareness and capacity to act than what I was aware of or apparently capable of when "in."

It appears that when/because I was out and thus "desperately" moved to exercise my volition, powers and abilities, I did and achieved things that heretofore had been unfamiliar to me though known they should be possible. And it appears it was this knowledge of the possible or of what should be that enabled me to move to implement them.

In any event, on that occasion, I continued to operate with full awareness not only of self but of my acquired knowledge, memories, lifetime skills and abilities . . . all was intact and available to me.

I do have some decent recall of some past lives, though not necessarily of the knowledge or precise skills learned therein . . . example: I'd have to re-learn celestial navigation, though I expect it might come back very easily.

One thing I do know is that I have retained connection to my loved ones and primary influencers down through time, and I have routinely reconnected with them as appropriate where possible in successive lives.

So, I write the above to point out that "this time" will be different to the "times before" . . . that is, for those folks interested in these things and willing to learn and know about them . . . the others will simply soldier on in their oblivious way

Ted does make the very key point that your passage will very much be determined by your basic dreams, aspirations, goals and purposes

Soooo, a good plan will be for you each to know and appreciate with some degree of good certainty what yours are

But, hopefully, dear friends, this will not be an experience we'll have to deal with any time too soon . . . . I personally think I've got a good many years left with this rig to go yet. And I suspect that is the case for you other guys who're still young at heart and full of goodness toward your fellows. (But I do recommend staying away from bad medicine! )

R

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Blaze Starr

[video=youtube;Cso3CxWJzoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cso3CxWJzoM&feature=player_embedded[/video]

I'm sure that was hot and sexy, when it was made.

I thought it was a hoot.

Kind of like near beer and Jack Daniels.

one is funny, the other is the real thing.

 

[Leon]

Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

ja. The link between memory and spatial orientation is an interesting one though. I remember years ago I was on a ship in Casablanca and went down the ganplank, looked back at the ship and for a moment saw a flash of a destroyer I'df served on 25 years before . We were then moored at exactly the same berth we were in previously. Some time later in Gibraltar - the place was so very familiar to me, deja vu all over the place, all triggered by being back in a location I had been in previously.

One way I have used this often is, when I lose something or just can't find it, I go and position myself in a location where I last did know where the missing object was. It usually works.

By using mest anchor points for our spatial perception we assign the memory to that space. This is weher spacation drills would help a lot in getting the guy to create his own space instead of having mest provide it for him. The old process of Spotting Spots in Space is a good one here too as one insists the preclear does not use mest points in space but gets him to create his own.

I think this is the reason why past languages are not remembered so well. A baby seems to grasp meanings far easier than spoken sounds - they're noticeably almost telepathic at times - I reckon the language is held in the mest space where he lived before while the concepts go with the fella himself. This is why past lilfe word clearing always seems to revert to English even though the english language never exised at the earlier time. It's the concept he never grasped at the earlier time and which he now attaches to a contemporary word.