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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oddly. Melaleuca since 1985 has paid out 2.8 billion dollars in referral commissions to families.

So not just the 'early in' can do well at it.

To your definition, Melaleuca is an MLM. It is true for you. So be it.

In reality, Melaleuca is not an MLM.

I do recommend Melaleuca to those interested & I would not recommend any MLM to anybody under any circumstances as MLMs end up hurting - not helping - people.

Okay....so the distributor of Melaleuca is not a distributor....the distributor of Melaleuca is a sales rep. Is that better? :)
 
Census documenting Great Depression to be released

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Census documenting Great Depression to be released
By CRISTIAN SALAZAR and RANDY HERSCHAFT | Associated Press – Sun, Mar 18, 2012


NEW YORK (AP) — It was a decade when tens of millions of people in the U.S. experienced mass unemployment and social upheaval as the nation clawed its way out of the Great Depression and rumblings of global war were heard from abroad.
Now, intimate details of 132 million people who lived through the 1930s will be disclosed as the U.S. government releases the 1940 census on April 2 to the public for the first time after 72 years of privacy protection lapses.

Access to the records will be free and open to anyone on the Internet — but they will not be immediately name searchable.

For genealogists and family historians, the 1940 census release is the most important disclosure of ancestral secrets in a decade and could shake the branches of many family trees. Scholars expect the records to help draw a more pointillistic portrait of a transformative decade in American life.

Researchers might be able to follow the movement of refugees from war-torn Europe in the latter half of the 1930s; sketch out in more detail where 100,000 Japanese Americans interned during World War II were living before they were removed; and more fully trace the decades-long migration of blacks from the rural South to cities.

Henry Louis Gates Jr., a Harvard University professor and scholar of black history who has promoted the tracing of family ancestry through popular television shows, said the release of the records will be a "great contribution to American society."

Gates, whose new PBS series "Finding Your Roots" begins March 25, said the "goldmine" of 1940 records would add important layers of detail to an existing collection of opened census records dating to 1790.

"It's such a rare gift," he said of the public's access to census records, "especially for people who believe that establishing their family trees is important for understanding their relationship to American democracy, the history of our country, and to a larger sense of themselves."

Margo Anderson, a census historian, said the release of the records could help answer questions about Japanese-Americans interned in camps after the outbreak of WWII.

"What we'll be able to do now, which we really couldn't do, is to take a look at what the Japanese-American community looked like on the eve of evacuation," said Anderson, a professor of history and urban studies at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

More than 120,000 enumerators surveyed 132 million people for the Sixteenth Decennial Census — 21 million of whom are alive today in the U.S. and Puerto Rico, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

The survey contained 34 questions directed at all households, plus 16 supplemental questions asked of 5 percent of the population. New questions reflected the government's intent on documenting the turbulent decade, by generating data on homelessness, migration, widespread unemployment, irregular salaries and fertility decline.

Some of the most contentious questions focused on personal income and were deemed so sensitive they were placed at the end of the survey. Less than 300,000 people opted to have their income responses sealed.

In part because of the need to overcome a growing reluctance by the American public to answer questionnaires and fears about some new questions, the bureau launched its biggest outreach and promotional campaign up to that time, according to records obtained at the Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum in Hyde Park, N.Y.

It opened its first Division of Public Affairs to blanket the country with its message, reaching out to over 10,000 publications and recruiting public officials, clergy and business owners to promote it.

Movie studios were enlisted to encourage their film stars to participate, including Cesar Romero, who later played the Joker in the Batman television series. A photograph of President Franklin D. Roosevelt taking the census also was used for the campaign.

The bureau also hired the managing editor of "Opportunity: A Journal of Negro Life" to galvanize support in the black community. However, studies in the 1940s revealed undercounts, including 13 percent of draft-age black men.

In a first for the National Archives and Records Administration, the nation's recordkeeper plans to post the entire census on the Internet — its biggest digitization effort to date.

That might be unsurprising given that increasingly popular online ancestry services make vast amounts of genealogical data available. But for previous decennial census releases, researchers had to trek to NARA branches to crank through microfilm machines.

Still, finding a name in the 3.8 million digitized images won't be as easy as a Google search: It could be at least six months after the release before a nationwide name index is created.

In the meantime, researchers will need an address to determine a census enumeration district — a way to carve up the map for surveying — to identify where someone lived and then browse the records.

Some experts said enthusiasm for the release could be dampened by the lack of a name index, especially for novices.

"It may very well frustrate the newcomers," said Thomas Macentee, an industry analyst helping recruit volunteers for a name indexing effort sponsored in part by the Mormon-run FamilySearch.org. "It's like showing up on Black Friday. If you really want that TV set, if you really want that census record, you are going to be ready to go and you are going to keep at it no matter what."

Publicly-traded Ancestry.com, which has over 1.7 million customers, is also working to make the census records searchable by indexing almost all fields and providing proprietary tools to mine the data.

Josh Hanna, a senior adviser for the company, said the 1940 census will be the biggest database of its kind. "It'll be the deepest level of indexing we've ever done," he said. Access to the index and tools will be available for free through the end of 2013.

Other individuals and organizations across the country are also working to ease the use of the records, including the New York Public Library, which is digitizing the full set of New York City's 1940 telephone books to help people locate addresses.

Genealogy societies and libraries also have been holding packed workshops to educate their members.

In January, about three dozen people gathered in Manhattan for a meeting of the MetroNY Genealogy & Computers Special Interest Group to discuss the census. They included Michelle Novak, who has spent six years searching for information about her paternal grandfather, but has no street address to help locate him.
Novak, 43, said family members recalled him as a heavy drinker who worked long hours for the Pennsylvania Railroad and abandoned his family in the early 1930s.
But the few records she has been able to find include a signature in a railroad pension book. She believes the 1940 census might hold additional answers.
"If I can find one record, anything, it may help," she said in an email after the meeting. "Even if I find him in jail or deceased, at least I will have an answer."

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Online:
http://1940census.archives.gov
http://www.ancestry.com/1940
http://www.the1940census.com
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Follow Cristian Salazar at http://twitter.com/crsalazarAP and Randy Herschaft at http://twitter.com/HerschaftAP.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Okay....so the distributor of Melaleuca is not a distributor....the distributor of Melaleuca is a sales rep. Is that better? :)

Well, what a person does with Melaleuca does is offer someone to enroll and be able to shop with Melaleuca. That ain't selling, but, to you if that is sales, so be it.

In reading the posts about Melaleuca on this thread it sort of reminds me of people objecting to " Black PR " put out by the cult. The cult doesn't really know what they are talking about but make crap up based on what they really don't know much about and act like " the authority " on that topic.

SSDD. Until just now I hadn't realized the mode some people have adopted as their routine way of thinking. Wow. I got taught something new about some " Xs ".

Continue to say whatever about a company that from the posts made here shows not much is really known about it in terms of actual facts.

Sometimes I do get very disappointed with the level of some these posts.

I'm gone from this thread as it has started to remind me of the kind of stuff so many years ago that I chose to leave behind.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Well, what a person does with Melaleuca does is offer someone to enroll and be able to shop with Melaleuca. That ain't selling, but, to you if that is sales, so be it.

In reading the posts about Melaleuca on this thread it sort of reminds me of people objecting to " Black PR " put out by the cult. The cult doesn't really know what they are talking about but make crap up based on what they really don't know much about and act like " the authority " on that topic.

SSDD. Until just now I hadn't realized the mode some people have adopted as their routine way of thinking. Wow. I got taught something new about some " Xs ".

Continue to say whatever about a company that from the posts made here shows not much is really known about it in terms of actual facts.

Sometimes I do get very disappointed with the level of some these posts.

I'm gone from this thread as it has started to remind me of the kind of stuff so many years ago that I chose to leave behind.

Did you sign up with Melaleuca to buy their products and introduce other people to it?
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

No, I'm not kidding you. If there are distributors please can you tell me what they distribute ?

Yes, you used google to find 'something'. As wonderful as the 'net is there is also bogus information that one might be prudent to not take as the word God. There is just no such thing as a distributor in Melaleuca.

Oh for crying out loud.

http://monicaelayne.hubpages.com/hub/MELALUCA-or-MELA-PUKE-A

zsound like a cult we know and love?
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Carmelo....that census thing should be really interesting when it comes out. I look forward to seeing if I can find my great grandmother in it. She was born around 1875....she had no birth certificate and the only record of her birth was in the family bible. I don't know what ever happened to that bible. Last I saw of it was when I was a child and my mother had it. I'm the last living generation on my mom's side, so it would have come to me, so I guess it must have been tossed after her grandmother died. I guess she had no social security either....I can't find her in the social security death index. I don't ever recall her working. I guess my parents were supporting her. It would be interesting to see if I could find her in the census. I bet when that site opens up it will be flooded with people searching for information about their relatives.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Oh for crying out loud.

http://monicaelayne.hubpages.com/hub/MELALUCA-or-MELA-PUKE-A

zsound like a cult we know and love?

I went to that website & there are some misconceptions there - one : a $25 monthly membership fee. Yes, there is a yearly fee of $29 bucks the first year 12 bucks after that.

The cult aspect is a hoot. It just ain't. Well, other than one can a marriage a cult & believe it.
However, there are some pretty well accepted definitions of a cult that most people accept.
One thing most people accept as being one indicator of a cult is the difficulty of exiting - Melaleuca on the single page people use to enroll has instructions on how to cancel.
Another thing is a "high demand" group. As I mentioned earlier, I have a friend who has shopped with Melaleuca for 17 years and she has only bought products and never been asked to approach anyone about referring them to Melaleuca.

When one knows the facts about the company it is pretty funny to think it is a cult by any sane definition of a cult.

After, like many you, having been in scientology for many years have come to realize it was - and is - a cult. Like most of you, my 'radar' on cults is pretty high. And, yes, some few people are going to go from one to another their whole life... much like a drug addict chasing the dragon.

I'd like to think that anyone I know and love that I'd do whatever I could to help them avoid any & every cult . One of the dang reasons I know about Melaleuca is people I know & love are liking that company and I felt I HAD to find out what it was. CULT would be a killer. Next after that would be an MLM, another something I am dead set against.

Yes, I do know people who do Melaleuca & do it full time & have presented it to me.
In the end those who want to do it, do it & those who don't, don't.

Does that mean I think some people haven't become zealot like & pushed some people too hard ? Oh, hell yes, I can believe that has happened - while I haven't seen it myself I'd believe it surely must have happened.

Ain't no perfect company. Ain't no perfect people.

It'd be nice if people could get the facts instead of rumor & the passed on misconceptions of some strangers.
 
Re: Clearing Up Some Political Issues

WHERE IS THE USA BEING TAKEN?
The State of Texas just passed a law which requires all citizens to present an ID card with their photo on it in order to vote in all elections held in Texas. 31 states in the USA have already passed such a law.

It turns out that for 17 states, mostly former members of the Confederacy, the U.S. federal government has to sign off on such a law. This was to prevent those states from passing laws preventing Black people from voting.

Well, U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder, moved in court to strike down the new Texas Law. The Democrats are alleging that Texas passed that law to prevent Blacks and Latinos from voting because Blacks vote about 90% for Democrats and Latinos vote mostly for democrats as well, perhaps 70%.

Texas is claiming they passed the law so as to help eliminate voter fraud. After all, no one is saying that non-citizens should have the right to vote, at least not openly. I heard a representative from Texas say that they would help the person get a photo ID at no charge if the person could not afford one. Normal cost would be $20 if a person did not already have a card such as a driver's license.

Also, a photo ID is required to drive a car, purchase an alcoholic drink, get a passport, get something notarized, etc. Isn't requiring one to vote a reasonable requirement or are they saying that voting is trivial compared to buying a beer? BTW, Texas will allow a person with no photo ID to vote and will hold that vote from being counted until the person comes back with the photo ID. If the person shows up later, only then is the vote counted.

This Federal Government is attempting to block Texas from enacting this law but now comes the real idiocy!!!
THE NAACP IS TAKING THE MATTER BEFORE THE UNITED NATIONS AND WANTS THE STATE OF TEXAS CITED FOR VIOLATIONS OF HUMAN RIGHTS OF ITS MINORITY CITIZENS!!!

To me this is total insanity. A sovereign state in the USA is going to be subjected to critique and possible censure from an international body such as the United Nations. The UN has a record of being a very corrupt organization with countries such as Libya, Syria and Iran heading up variousr panels on human rights. But even if the UN was not corrupt, they have absolutely no authority to rule on matters of US internal human relatiions! Where are we heading? Orwell's "1984" seems to rapidly be coming upon us.
Lakey


I'm responding to my own post which I felt so strongly about that I believed no argument existed which could change my mind. I consulted my extremely well informed good friend since "53, Ken R., who is a Libertarian. Ken is sort of a super brain type of guy who thinks very logically, almost like Spock on Star Trek. His take on this subject really opened my eyes!

THE TEXAS PHOTO ID VOTING REQUIRMENT
On the Texas issue of photo ID being required to vote, he told me that there was a vote in 1965 that the 50 states could require photo ID's to help reduce voter fraud. This led to a fight in the U.S. congress because 17 of the states had a history of blocking Blacks from voting. All of the 13 states from the Conferacy were included plus 4 other states which had a history of preventing Blacks from voting. Of course Texas was a confederate state. A compromise was reached where 33 states were allowed to have photo ID's to vote but for the other 17 states, they needed to receive federal approval before they could enact voter ID's.

Ken said, that the 17 states had not just a bad voting record for Blacks during the Civil War period but had much more recent voting rights violations to stop Blacks from voting. This law is where the federal government got its right to stop Texas. It is apparently the first time the feds invoked their right to meddle in a state's voting requirements.

Ken also claimed the Republicans were being hypocritical, claiming that if Texas was a Democrat state, they would not fight for photo ID. He agreed with me that either party would fight to have photo ID if that party was in control of a state.

We both agreed that lower income people and undocumented residents would tend towards the Democrats over the Republicans. He asserted that there was no studies done to show that voter ID fraud has been a major factor in recent elections. He also said that non photo IDs were required before someone could vote and both non photo and photo ID's could be forged though it was harder to forge the photo ID's.

He did not think that the homeless and very low income people were apt to vote and that undocumented Latinos probably resist very strongly going inside any kind of federal office. They don't know if they will be subject to being deported so they reason that their safest tactic is to just stay away from the polls.

On the NAACP taking Texas to the United Nations for voting rights abuses, he agreed with me that it was ridiculous but he said that they legally had the right to do this and that they are doing it only for the publicity it will generate. He thinks that no one in the USA will give a hoot what the UN rules if it takes up the topic. Even the general public knows there is a lot of corruption in the UN, especially in the field of human rights and whatever they rule will fall on deaf ears

VIOLATING RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING WOMEN'S HEALTH
First, Ken said that he sided with the Democrat position over the Republican position but not at all for the normal reasons. First of all, he is totally against Obama Care and hopes desperately that the Supreme Court will knock out some of its provisions when the case is heard starting next Monday.

He says that IF Obama Care is able to be enacted in its present form, he feels that the Democrat position on woman's reproductive rights is the LESSER OF TWO EVILS when contrasted with the Republican position.

He says that the Republican Position is not a position which favors the principle of religious freedom because it basically FAVORS ONLY ONE LARGE RELIGION, namely the Catholic Church. He asks why that one religion should have it's religious observances protected while many other religions do not have their's protected. For example, Christian Science does not believe at all in medical care and yet all their members and business entities are being forced to pay for and provide medical insurance and the Republican Party doesn't say a word. The Jehova's Witnesses and Muslims have similar issues.

Even the Church of Scientology, violently opposed to Psychiatry and to a lesser extent Psychology and prescription drugs will be forced to pay for things which their "scriptures" outlaw. No Republican voice is raised on their behalf. Ken is saying that the Republican position is hypocritical in that it selects one particular religion to stand up for.

Though his overall position is much closer to that of the Republicans because both he and they do not want Obama Care to be enacted but if it does get enacted, he believes that the Democrat's position on women's birth control issues should be allowed to stand because it is a consistent position for ALL religions and doesn't just benefit the Catholic Church.

So there you have it, Ken, a guy who really looks deeply into political issues has a more deeply thought out position on a topic than my position which
was more of a knee jerk reaction. Ken's argument made so much sense to me that there was nothing to say to defend my former position. He won me over!!
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I've worked the polls in the 2004 election. I was in a prdeominately black precinct, somehting like 90%. The Republicans cheated and intimidated voters in an organized effort. I saw it with my own eyes. That is why the Federal government had to step in.

Those laws were passed in Florida, so it is said, to stop voter fraud. When it was checked, no instances of voter fraud could be found. The Republicans finally claimed they found two. The Republicans said they found two people who voted in the last election who are dead. When this was checked further, it turned out the two in question were alive at the time of the election.

At my precinct, the poll watcher for the Republican candidate for senator, was a white guy and a football coach. He was intimidating the black voters, getting right in their faces and demanding to see their I.D.s He was not allowed to step beyond the observation area but he did. I told the women in charge of the polling place, who was my boss, to tell him to sit down and shut-up or she will call the sheriff's office and have him removed and will also call the media so they get it on film. She did and he sat down.

My boss was also told by her boss that we were to expect disruptions. We were told to be on a lookout for a certain odor, I forget now how it was described exactly, because there were expecting someone to release pepper spray and stink bombs into the polling place. Luckily, that didn't happen.

Outside there were white people in suits stopping people as they walked up the driveway. They had clipbaords and were telling the people that they had to answer a few questions before they voted.

They asked the people if they had an unpaid parking tickets, or if they were late with their rent or utility bills and other questions. They were told if they said yes to any of the questions they could not vote and if they did they could be arrested.

I saw this with my own eyes and yes, we called the sheriff and these people were removed, but not arrested.

Several people brought us flyers that were left on their doors a few days earlier. It said that Republicans vote on Tuesday and that Democrats vote on Wednesday. These people knew better. But how many did not?

What kind of country do you want to have? One that has fair elections or one where your preferred candidate is guaranteed to win?

I dare you to go work the polls this coming election. Not in some lily-white precint but in a black precinct. If you are an honest person you will get a change of view.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Carmelo....that census thing should be really interesting when it comes out. I look forward to seeing if I can find my great grandmother in it. She was born around 1875....she had no birth certificate and the only record of her birth was in the family bible. I don't know what ever happened to that bible. Last I saw of it was when I was a child and my mother had it. I'm the last living generation on my mom's side, so it would have come to me, so I guess it must have been tossed after her grandmother died. I guess she had no social security either....I can't find her in the social security death index. I don't ever recall her working. I guess my parents were supporting her. It would be interesting to see if I could find her in the census. I bet when that site opens up it will be flooded with people searching for information about their relatives.

One of my grandfathers was illegitimate, born to a nurse and to a British army officer, who was a brother to Cecil Rhodes, in India. He died in the 40s. No one in the family ever talked about him. I'm hoping to find something more than I already know.
 
Lakey to Promote His "Psychic Massages"

Edey, my metaphysical friend from 2010 and 2011 is now married and her husband is certified as an American Indian Hun Shaman. They just started putting on classes on that subject. I've attended their first 2 classes.

The tenets of Hun Shamanism align well with my beleifs. Shamanism speaks of 3 types of memory, cellular memory, brain memory and spiritual memory. Edey's husband believes that the massages I give align well with his subject. In his view, they get rid of unwanted and harmful cellular memories. He and Edey want me to team up with them,

The idea is that after his next class I give the attendees 10 minute intro massages and then hand out flyers selling my services. A little later I will intorduce training classes. Edey believes that I have a special healing gift and admires me for creating my own individual modality,

In 2010 and 2011 I gave over a 125 sessions on around 25 different people, with a 100% success rate. In the fall of 2011, the sessions came to an end except for a weekly session with my friend Kadriya where we do an exchange, I get a salon type service in exchange for a massage.

I've honed my ability to a very high level of skill. When I approach a client, all sorts of perceptions turn on for me, I pick up energy flows, thoughts, protests, conflicts, stresses and pains and know almost instantly what points to start pressing. Putting heavy pressure on various points, especially on a person's skull causes large amounts of energy to flow off the skull, through me and down into the ground. The client always walks away beaming with joy.

There are limitations. After a period of a few hours to a few days, the person will generally get stressed out again since the massage does nothing to address the causes of the stress. The next time the person comes back, they are generally all tensed up again. My only long term client, Kadriya, has been getting these massages weekly for at least a year and she gradually improved to a much more stable level. While I massage them, we usually carry on a conversation and I do a listen, duplicate and acknowledge cycle with them. Usually this results in some more energy being discharged but if it doesn't then we've just had a nice conversation and no harm is done.

I'm pretty convinced empirically that it is always advantageous for the harmful electric charge trapped on a stressed out person's skull to be run out into the ground. Areas of charge which seem to have a will of their own are a completely different matter. If such an area is encountered, it won't just run out into the ground. I have a way of handling these, much of it obtained from advice given by people on this thread. I try to steer clear of these areas but if push comes to shove, there are ways to handle them. In some cases flowing admiration and love to such an area will desensitize it and it will then convert to be positive energy and remain.

So there you have it. I am going to promote and market this gift which I have and see what happens. I am expecting very positive results!!!
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I live in Florida and I have heard of some pretty sleazy tactics being employed by both parties. These include rounding up street people and those in the shelters and bribing them with meals, T shirts, and other basics. I do believe a photo ID should be a requirement. Too many phony IDs are very easily disseminated and nobody seems to care. This especially applies to Medicaid and other programs overseen by The Department of children and families. The fraud division created by the state's governor has created many jobs. People are not necessarily who they claim to be when it comes to claiming their due rights. I blame the politicians for the lack of ethics at the polls though.

As far as the UN having the right to affect what Texas does....it WILL fall on deaf ears. Don't mess with Texas!

Here in Florida we have had an unfortunate issue come up recently regarding the rights of blacks. A Sanford police chief failed to arrest a Neighborhood Watch captain for shooting and killing a black teen who looked suspicious in a gated community area at night. The shooter thought the 17 yr old had a gun. 20,000 people are showing up at the courthouse to protest tomorrow. There were many in front of the D.C. capitol bldg this week. The crowd tomorrow will be wearing hoodies to protest the profiling of youngsters. All newscasters have been sympathetic to the dead boy's family. But the rise of vigilantiism has become a problem as a result of the cops having already backed off prosecuting minority teens. There is a motion to revoke the 'Stand Your Ground Law now. The Sanford police chief was just canned and his force is hated. Who will show up to monitor 20,000 mad marchers tomorrow. It can't be the Sanford police dept as that would now agitate the situation.

Problems and solutions. It was't the police who fired the gun. It was a 30 yr old hispanic who was told during his original 911 call not to continue to follow his suspect. You could also hear the despondency in his voice repeating " They always get away. They always get away." (There had been many break-ins and robberies leading to neighbors taking turns doing active night watches.) The agencies of law and order had their hands tied so as not to intimidate and cause unrest. They got even by not arresting the vigilante watchman. A section of the citizenry got even too.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-complicate-trayvon-martin-teen-shooting-case

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4673101...fl/t/clergy-call-justice-trayvon-martin-case/

The Rev Al Sharpton is said to be showing up any time. The only crime is terribly bad judgement on the part of a small town Sherrif's dept who did not choose to make an arrest. If the case can be pushed up to a superior court over black rights, what would there be to collect. No families of murdered abused women ever got a police chief fired because his officers failed to arrest a boyfriend who was repeatedly violating his restraining order.

Interestingly, news clips teasers aired between network broadcasts of the above showed the recent robberies of computer store break-ins. There were seven in the last 18 months involving one proprietor's outlets. Yup, the film footage caught on security cameras showed young blacks in hoodies ramming a white van through walls and store fronts and loading up...... repeatedly.

The idea that a state can lose its rights to use hard won laws because of a race card being played does not sit well with me. And why should voting not be as important as getting into a nightclub or driving a car?
 
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I've worked the polls in the 2004 election. I was in a prdeominately black precinct, somehting like 90%. The Republicans cheated and intimidated voters in an organized effort. I saw it with my own eyes. That is why the Federal government had to step in.

Those laws were passed in Florida, so it is said, to stop voter fraud. When it was checked, no instances of voter fraud could be found. The Republicans finally claimed they found two. The Republicans said they found two people who voted in the last election who are dead. When this was checked further, it turned out the two in question were alive at the time of the election.

At my precinct, the poll watcher for the Republican candidate for senator, was a white guy and a football coach. He was intimidating the black voters, getting right in their faces and demanding to see their I.D.s He was not allowed to step beyond the observation area but he did. I told the women in charge of the polling place, who was my boss, to tell him to sit down and shut-up or she will call the sheriff's office and have him removed and will also call the media so they get it on film. She did and he sat down.

My boss was also told by her boss that we were to expect disruptions. We were told to be on a lookout for a certain odor, I forget now how it was described exactly, because there were expecting someone to release pepper spray and stink bombs into the polling place. Luckily, that didn't happen.

Outside there were white people in suits stopping people as they walked up the driveway. They had clipbaords and were telling the people that they had to answer a few questions before they voted.

They asked the people if they had an unpaid parking tickets, or if they were late with their rent or utility bills and other questions. They were told if they said yes to any of the questions they could not vote and if they did they could be arrested.

I saw this with my own eyes and yes, we called the sheriff and these people were removed, but not arrested.

Several people brought us flyers that were left on their doors a few days earlier. It said that Republicans vote on Tuesday and that Democrats vote on Wednesday. These people knew better. But how many did not?

What kind of country do you want to have? One that has fair elections or one where your preferred candidate is guaranteed to win?

I dare you to go work the polls this coming election. Not in some lily-white precint but in a black precinct. If you are an honest person you will get a change of view.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Thanks for your first hand report. It is rare that one can speak to a live unbiased 3rd party witness instead of relying on news reports from a jaundiced media.

Isn't it true that there are abuses on both sides? I've seen videos of the Acorn Group in Chicago paying or feeding poor Black people and then rounding them up and driving them in buses to their local precinct to vote Democrat.

I want fair elections. It would be very nice if the people who voted had studied the issues and given a lot of thought to select the best candidates and how to vote on the propositions. Unfortunately, this is not the case. That being said, it is better for the election to be fair, even if the voters are not informed enough to make a meaningful selection, than to deny eligible voters their vote.

Democracy has many potential and actual failings. A potential failing of our current system is that people who have no idea of who the candidates are or what the issues are all about are legally entitled to cast their vote. We must insure that their right to vote is protected. If this failing causes our government to eventually go bankrupt and collapse, then so be it! The rights of the uninformed must be defended. I'm serious and not just being covert! The only honest way to correct this situation would be to improve our system, hopefully by educating the uneducated masses so that they can cast a more intelligent vote. Denying people their right to vote is the worst possible thing which can be done!

You know the saying, the critical point is when 51% of the voters pay no taxes and the remaining 49% support them. At this tipping point, the 51%, including many indigents, will be able to outvote the 49% who produce the goods and services and create the jobs. At this point, the government will become a welfare state and will ultimately spend itself into currency devaluation and bankruptcy. This is not just theory, it is happening write here in the USA at this moment.
Lakey
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

Originally posted by lkwdblds

Thanks for your first hand report. It is rare that one can speak to a live unbiased 3rd party witness instead of relying on news reports from a jaundiced media.

NO, Gary, it's real time in this locale.
 
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I live in Florida and I have heard of some pretty sleazy tactics being employed by both parties. These include rounding up street people and those in the shelters and bribing them with meals, T shirts, and other basics. I do believe a photo ID should be a requirement. Too many phony IDs are very easily disseminated and nobody seems to care. This especially applies to Medicaid and other programs overseen by The Department of children and families. The fraud division created by the state's governor has created many jobs. People are not necessarily who they claim to be when it comes to claiming their due rights. I blame the politicians for the lack of ethics at the polls though.

As far as the UN having the right to affect what Texas does....it WILL fall on deaf ears. Don't mess with Texas!

Here in Florida we have had an unfortunate issue come up recently regarding the rights of blacks. A Sanford police chief failed to arrest a Neighborhood Watch captain for shooting and killing a black teen who looked suspicious in a gated community area at night. The shooter thought the 17 yr old had a gun. 20,000 people are showing up at the courthouse to protest tomorrow. There were many in front of the D.C. capitol bldg this week. The crowd tomorrow will be wearing hoodies to protest the profiling of youngsters. All newscasters have been sympathetic to the dead boy's family. But the rise of vigilantiism has become a problem as a result of the cops having already backed off prosecuting minority teens. There is a motion to revoke the 'Stand Your Ground Law now. The Sanford police chief was just canned and his force is hated. Who will show up to monitor 20,000 mad marchers tomorrow. It can't be the Sanford police dept as that would now agitate the situation.

Problems and solutions. It was't the police who fired the gun. It was a 30 yr old hispanic who was told during his original 911 call not to continue to follow his suspect. You could also hear the despondency in his voice repeating " They always get away. They always get away." (There had been many break-ins and robberies leading to neighbors taking turns doing active night watches.) The agencies of law and order had their hands tied so as not to intimidate and cause unrest. They got even by not arresting the vigilante watchman. A section of the citizenry got even too.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-complicate-trayvon-martin-teen-shooting-case

The Rev Al Sharpton is said to be showing up any time. The only crime is terribly bad judgement on the part of a small town Sherrif's dept who did not choose to make an arrest. If the case can be pushed up to a superior court over black rights, what would there be to collect. No families of murdered abused women ever got a police chief fired because his officers failed to arrest a boyfriend who was violating his restraining order.

Interestingly, news clips teasers aired between network broadcasts of the above showed the recent robberies of computer store break-ins. There were seven in the last 18 months involving one proprietor's outlets. Yup, the film footage caught on security cameras showed young blacks in hoodies ramming a white van through walls and store fronts and loading up...... repeatedly.

The idea that a state can lose its rights to use hard won laws because of a race card being played does not sit well with me. Why should voting not be as important as getting into a nightclub or driving a car?

Nice to get your take on these issues Hats!! Yes, there seems to be a pattern involved. People such as Al Sharpton are usually involved. Some issue happens where a minority person his been disenfranchised or even killed and someone like Sharpton shows up with a lot of sanctimonious, pompous and theatrical outrage. The events which took place where very bad new and every decent person wants the perpetrators brought to justice.

That isn't good enough for people such as Sharpton. They want to foment the unrest stir up hate and blow things out of proportion so they can look important and further their own agendas.

Its the type of thing the Nazi's did right after they took control in Germany. They lit the Reichstag building on fire themselves and then blamed it on a Jew. They fomented enormous hatred and unrest against Jews and used that fire as an excuse to seize full martial power in Germany. The incident you describe is the same kind of thing but on a little smaller scale.

I'll say one thing about Al Sharpton, he isn't all bad because when he acts out his "outrage" he KNOWS that it is all bullshit but he also knows that he can get away with it. He obviously enjoys putting on his sanctimonious outrage act. You've got to give him credit for operating somewhat at "spirit of play" even if the role he is playing is that of a carnival type huckster.

BTW, how can you object to Iran, Syria and Libya citing the state of Texas for human rights violations? Just kidding. Actually it would be extremely funny if the UN Human Rights Committee cited Texas for Human Rights Violations. Dum de dum... Texas wants to require their voters to all have photo IDs and Iran stones a woman to death because she held hands with a Catholic man. Obviously Iran is qualified to judge Texas.
Lakey
P.S. - Thanks for reminding me Hats. Your report is also first hand live. I guess those reports are not as rare as I thought.
 
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Good analogy re the Reichstag and it's hate crimes.

I will give Sharpton credit for his spirit of play. Good points you made.

I jumped in here because I was a victim of minority youth crime four times in five yrs and the cops did NOTHING when the purps were in reach still. Bad community relations was what they feared.

One day I would like to be considered dangerous/feared for a change. I'll put that on my bucket list.
 
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I live in Florida and I have heard of some pretty sleazy tactics being employed by both parties. These include rounding up street people and those in the shelters and bribing them with meals, T shirts, and other basics. I do believe a photo ID should be a requirement. Too many phony IDs are very easily disseminated and nobody seems to care. This especially applies to Medicaid and other programs overseen by The Department of children and families. The fraud division created by the state's governor has created many jobs. People are not necessarily who they claim to be when it comes to claiming their due rights. I blame the politicians for the lack of ethics at the polls though.

As far as the UN having the right to affect what Texas does....it WILL fall on deaf ears. Don't mess with Texas!

Here in Florida we have had an unfortunate issue come up recently regarding the rights of blacks. A Sanford police chief failed to arrest a Neighborhood Watch captain for shooting and killing a black teen who looked suspicious in a gated community area at night. The shooter thought the 17 yr old had a gun. 20,000 people are showing up at the courthouse to protest tomorrow. There were many in front of the D.C. capitol bldg this week. The crowd tomorrow will be wearing hoodies to protest the profiling of youngsters. All newscasters have been sympathetic to the dead boy's family. But the rise of vigilantiism has become a problem as a result of the cops having already backed off prosecuting minority teens. There is a motion to revoke the 'Stand Your Ground Law now. The Sanford police chief was just canned and his force is hated. Who will show up to monitor 20,000 mad marchers tomorrow. It can't be the Sanford police dept as that would now agitate the situation.

Problems and solutions. It was't the police who fired the gun. It was a 30 yr old hispanic who was told during his original 911 call not to continue to follow his suspect. You could also hear the despondency in his voice repeating " They always get away. They always get away." (There had been many break-ins and robberies leading to neighbors taking turns doing active night watches.) The agencies of law and order had their hands tied so as not to intimidate and cause unrest. They got even by not arresting the vigilante watchman. A section of the citizenry got even too.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...-complicate-trayvon-martin-teen-shooting-case

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4673101...fl/t/clergy-call-justice-trayvon-martin-case/

The Rev Al Sharpton is said to be showing up any time. The only crime is terribly bad judgement on the part of a small town Sherrif's dept who did not choose to make an arrest. If the case can be pushed up to a superior court over black rights, what would there be to collect. No families of murdered abused women ever got a police chief fired because his officers failed to arrest a boyfriend who was repeatedly violating his restraining order.

Interestingly, news clips teasers aired between network broadcasts of the above showed the recent robberies of computer store break-ins. There were seven in the last 18 months involving one proprietor's outlets. Yup, the film footage caught on security cameras showed young blacks in hoodies ramming a white van through walls and store fronts and loading up...... repeatedly.

The idea that a state can lose its rights to use hard won laws because of a race card being played does not sit well with me. And why should voting not be as important as getting into a nightclub or driving a car?


The story quickly became national news.

As to what actually happened, reporting agencies can't be trusted about this or much else.

The kid is dead. In his photo displayed on TV he looks like he's a sweet young man of 13 or so, certainly not a danger to anyone.

He is described as being African-American. The shooter is described as being White. The shooter's father says he is Latino. In all other instances that I am aware of, Latinos are described as Latinos. Now in this news story they get a race reassignment. They are White. Do we have a news reporting agency, a propaganda machine, or a dose of emotionally-contrived, reality TV?

BTW, The Century Dictionary was the world's largest dictionary, last printed in 1913. It does not contain the word "racism."

Back to the story...

If my kid went to the convenience store to buy an ice-tea and a pack of Skittles then wound up dead at the hands of anyone, I would be looking for immediate retribution. Al Sharpton's opportunistic grandstanding aside, the family appears calm where I think some outrage on their part is justified.

We aren't being told all to the story. We have been told enough to try the community watchman in the media, and it appears he is guilty of murder.
 
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That's right. We are not getting the real story. How come Zimmerman, the shooter, ain't talkin on the news? Where's his go?

The media tried OJ Simpson and Rodney King and the public were not disappointed when they got what they asked for. Kinda reminds me of another well known story this Easter season. Give the public what it demands or risk revolt in the streets!
But then I don't know the whole story....and never will, as each is from a person's own viewpoint.

We had a missing woman across the lake disappear and leave her vehicle near the end of my street. The news played it up and we ended up with a bunch of lies about where she went and where they found her cell phone in the lake. The Casey Anthony trial here locally same deal. Media never provides clarity or factual evidence as it might disrupt due process of law. We are getting very good at reading between the lines....by necessity. Truth is hard to come by in the news. Celebrity gossip TV is more reliable. :unsure:
 
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