Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview)
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Type4_PTS
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You were disposed of by the FCDC Guardians Office because they considered that your insistence on being a Christian was incompatible with Scientology?
You were disposed of by the FCDC Guardians Office because they considered that your insistence on being a Christian was incompatible with Scientology?
Commander Birdsong
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
no.
i said little to identify myself as christian
one does not practice christianity by talking but by being and doing
the GO story i have yet to write up but i'll slip it on the fcdc thead soon
no.
i said little to identify myself as christian
one does not practice christianity by talking but by being and doing
the GO story i have yet to write up but i'll slip it on the fcdc thead soon
Commander Birdsong
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
nice graphic
Standard Tech, applied as it was meant to be... is decidedly unChristian.
nice graphic
Type4_PTS
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
Afraid you were going to get fed to the lions?
Afraid you were going to get fed to the lions?
Commander Birdsong
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
not at all
i wanted to study the subject so i had to abide it's ways
Afraid you were going to get fed to the lions?
not at all
i wanted to study the subject so i had to abide it's ways
Type4_PTS
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What does "I said little to identify myself as christian" have to do with abiding with the ways of the CoS if there's no problem with being a Christian Scientologist?
What does "I said little to identify myself as christian" have to do with abiding with the ways of the CoS if there's no problem with being a Christian Scientologist?
TG1
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
This doesn't sound like most of the Christians I know!
And I KNOW Christians!
TG1
P.S. With apologies to that guy Jesus Christ.
This doesn't sound like most of the Christians I know!
And I KNOW Christians!
TG1
P.S. With apologies to that guy Jesus Christ.
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
i made my beliefs entirely evident by my conduct
the exact point where CoS in the person of the qual sec and i came to loggerheads was when i made it clear i was not going to compromise the bill of rights
and i won that skirmish handily
if you haven't read it's writeup on the fcdc thread you might get a chuckle over it
and i never compromised he hippocratic oath either nor did i print it on a t-shirt o wear to muster
these are all inner things...
until someone makes you lay them on the table the way FB made me lay one of the cards i keep in my vest pocket on the "what did you get...?" thread last week
What does "I said little to identify myself as christian" have to do with abiding with the ways of the CoS if there's no problem with being a Christian Scientologist?
i made my beliefs entirely evident by my conduct
the exact point where CoS in the person of the qual sec and i came to loggerheads was when i made it clear i was not going to compromise the bill of rights
and i won that skirmish handily
if you haven't read it's writeup on the fcdc thread you might get a chuckle over it
and i never compromised he hippocratic oath either nor did i print it on a t-shirt o wear to muster
these are all inner things...
until someone makes you lay them on the table the way FB made me lay one of the cards i keep in my vest pocket on the "what did you get...?" thread last week
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
really, the whole argument that a Xian can't be a scnist boils down to:
scnists must only drink orange koolaid and Xians grape koolaid
i always use wine for the eucharist and i don't care a rat's ass who owns the vineyard
really, the whole argument that a Xian can't be a scnist boils down to:
scnists must only drink orange koolaid and Xians grape koolaid
i always use wine for the eucharist and i don't care a rat's ass who owns the vineyard
Type4_PTS
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
Here is a post from Alanzo on Geir Isene's thread from earlier today which I agree with:
The only way to interest a Christian in Scientology is by using deception. And sorry, but I don't believe the end justifies the means.
Here is a post from Alanzo on Geir Isene's thread from earlier today which I agree with:
The only way to interest a Christian in Scientology is by using deception. And sorry, but I don't believe the end justifies the means.
Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
Strangely enough, the Christians don't charge me to learn all about their faith so I would disagree that it's pertinent the the discussion.
What, pray tell, is a dianeticist? If you ditch all of the metaphysics from Scientology, you might be able to be a Christian and a Scientologist but you wouldn't really be a Scientologist, would you?
Again, you've gutted the definition of Christian and Scientologist to skim definitions that are compatible. That definition ignores the central tenets of Christianity.
Strangely enough, the Christians don't charge me to learn all about their faith so I would disagree that it's pertinent the the discussion.
What, pray tell, is a dianeticist? If you ditch all of the metaphysics from Scientology, you might be able to be a Christian and a Scientologist but you wouldn't really be a Scientologist, would you?
Sharone Stainforth
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Juliette lewis is a scientologist and believe me they lie, and they lie really bad, because you cannot be a scientologist and a Christian at the same time.
They will tell you they can, but that is to get you hooked.
Once hooked, Christianity goes out the window, just like any other religion.
I have had to listen to continuing stories recently this year, of Scientologist Indies/freezoners not being of the "church", yet following Hubbard. No in fact it hasn't just been this year, but it has got worse this year and up close and personal, in recent months and just the same as you cannot be a Christian and a scientologist, you cannot be a freezoner/indie and have left the "church"which is a colossal lie in itself, "the Church".
It has got to the point that I don't know who to believe. That in itself leads me back to scientology and the fact that scientologists lie and they do it all the time. They did in the 1960s and they still do to this day. Constantly. They tell you one thing, they do something totally different and then they behave even more differently. It came to me tonight. The conflict I have had ever since I went to Ireland.
I had a conversation with someone awhile ago and they asked me why Tory was hanging out with freezoners. I said I didn't know but I intended to find out. Now who have I just found on the Indies list 5000, the person that asked me the question. Anyway, more of that to come soon, on my blog 2013, it's going to be a shit year for scientologists of any flavor.
Juliette lewis is a scientologist and believe me they lie, and they lie really bad, because you cannot be a scientologist and a Christian at the same time.
They will tell you they can, but that is to get you hooked.
Once hooked, Christianity goes out the window, just like any other religion.
I have had to listen to continuing stories recently this year, of Scientologist Indies/freezoners not being of the "church", yet following Hubbard. No in fact it hasn't just been this year, but it has got worse this year and up close and personal, in recent months and just the same as you cannot be a Christian and a scientologist, you cannot be a freezoner/indie and have left the "church"which is a colossal lie in itself, "the Church".
It has got to the point that I don't know who to believe. That in itself leads me back to scientology and the fact that scientologists lie and they do it all the time. They did in the 1960s and they still do to this day. Constantly. They tell you one thing, they do something totally different and then they behave even more differently. It came to me tonight. The conflict I have had ever since I went to Ireland.
I had a conversation with someone awhile ago and they asked me why Tory was hanging out with freezoners. I said I didn't know but I intended to find out. Now who have I just found on the Indies list 5000, the person that asked me the question. Anyway, more of that to come soon, on my blog 2013, it's going to be a shit year for scientologists of any flavor.
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
Sharone
I get what you're saying and I had that experience with CofS. I was told it was pan denominational, and all that. Well, maybe it is and maybe not, but I did end up changing my mind about things I was taught as a Catholic child.
Past lives doesn't mix really well with belief in Heaven and Hell, for example.
So I see what you mean and I know that you observed it.
But (you knew there had to be one, right?) I think that people can be rather elastic in their beliefs. It's a bit of a paradox. They can't have the Xtian view and the Scn view- those have opposing beliefs. But they believe they can. So they believe they can have beliefs they can't really have.
Have you seen any of the Robot Chicken animated shows on adult swim on Cartoon Network? A total favorite of mine. They spoof tv shows, etc. Anyway, in a recent one they had these exaggerated paradoxes and these killer robot overlords having their heads explode because they couldn't handle the paradox. For some reason, this comes to mind right now.
Sharone
I get what you're saying and I had that experience with CofS. I was told it was pan denominational, and all that. Well, maybe it is and maybe not, but I did end up changing my mind about things I was taught as a Catholic child.
Past lives doesn't mix really well with belief in Heaven and Hell, for example.
So I see what you mean and I know that you observed it.
But (you knew there had to be one, right?) I think that people can be rather elastic in their beliefs. It's a bit of a paradox. They can't have the Xtian view and the Scn view- those have opposing beliefs. But they believe they can. So they believe they can have beliefs they can't really have.
Have you seen any of the Robot Chicken animated shows on adult swim on Cartoon Network? A total favorite of mine. They spoof tv shows, etc. Anyway, in a recent one they had these exaggerated paradoxes and these killer robot overlords having their heads explode because they couldn't handle the paradox. For some reason, this comes to mind right now.
Freeminds
Bitter defrocked apostate
Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
No need to apologise to Jesus Christ for that: He wasn't a Christian. He was born a Jew, and the faith we call Christianity developed after He died.
Later, in the town of Tilden, Nebraska (!) there was born a writer of pulp westerns. He dropped out of school. He'd passed bad cheques during the Alaskan Radio Expedition. He'd exhibited nothing but incompetence during his war service, but lied and malingered in an effort to get a bigger pension. He learned how to hypnotise people. He abandoned his wife and children, moved in with Satanists and experimented with 'sex magick'. When he betrayed his host, he took his money and his girl, and remarried bigamously.
Then he wrote a self-help book, with no proven scientific basis.
Some 1,919 years after the death of Christ, after attempting to betray his business partners, failing and losing of control of Dianetics, the Scientology pseudoreligion was created: by the liar, buffoon and lunatic L Ron Hubbard. Then this criminal really got into his stride...
Amazingly, a few (a very few) people still think Scientology is some kind of 'religion'... although even fewer of them can give anything but the most unsatisfactory answers on the subject of worship.
This doesn't sound like most of the Christians I know!
And I KNOW Christians!
TG1
P.S. With apologies to that guy Jesus Christ.
No need to apologise to Jesus Christ for that: He wasn't a Christian. He was born a Jew, and the faith we call Christianity developed after He died.
Later, in the town of Tilden, Nebraska (!) there was born a writer of pulp westerns. He dropped out of school. He'd passed bad cheques during the Alaskan Radio Expedition. He'd exhibited nothing but incompetence during his war service, but lied and malingered in an effort to get a bigger pension. He learned how to hypnotise people. He abandoned his wife and children, moved in with Satanists and experimented with 'sex magick'. When he betrayed his host, he took his money and his girl, and remarried bigamously.
Then he wrote a self-help book, with no proven scientific basis.
Some 1,919 years after the death of Christ, after attempting to betray his business partners, failing and losing of control of Dianetics, the Scientology pseudoreligion was created: by the liar, buffoon and lunatic L Ron Hubbard. Then this criminal really got into his stride...
Amazingly, a few (a very few) people still think Scientology is some kind of 'religion'... although even fewer of them can give anything but the most unsatisfactory answers on the subject of worship.
clamicide
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
As far as Christianity going against past lives, you can go into the purged books of the bible, and etc.
But, back to the point, Christianity was 'tolerated' from what I saw.
There were the various bulletins, and to stuff that has been quoted here, but I'm wondering if anyone has access to the transcripts of the tapes that also became part of one of the OT hatting courses on the ship. I wish to heck I could remember the name of them, but I believe that they had something that looked similar to constellations on the cover... I know the background was a very dark blue or black.
There were definite indictments against Christianity in those, and I know of one gay man who was shown statements from that tape where it was pointed out that being homosexual was a complete 'compulsion'.... he was basically told that if he saw a dick he would not be able to restrain himself, and shown transcripts from these tapes to support that view... forget the fact that he was more chaste and more investing in wanting to find a long-term stable relationship than those who were berating him, but... wtf, eh?
I heard all the stuff from the tapes when I got in against Christianity and all religion, but I'm thinking more and more that those have been sanitized... I was thinking these.... is it the Anatomy of Cause? still had some extremely biting criticism in there.
Hub was just all over the place... WTH, and yet the policy about publics to disseminate to (you don't disseminate to die-hards of other religions was a part--actually off-policy), and over and over again, I saw Christianity as an implant in the references but I STILL hear this crap ... I remember being briefed on a Christian minister including the ARC triangle and WTH in his sermons. The upshot for us was, that well.... he was getting an inroads and get others in, and they'd finally one day cog it was all BS. There was always a sly disdain among staff about those folks... we figured they'd come around some day, but in the meantime they were stuck in a fucking implant like LRH told us.
As far as Christianity going against past lives, you can go into the purged books of the bible, and etc.
But, back to the point, Christianity was 'tolerated' from what I saw.
There were the various bulletins, and to stuff that has been quoted here, but I'm wondering if anyone has access to the transcripts of the tapes that also became part of one of the OT hatting courses on the ship. I wish to heck I could remember the name of them, but I believe that they had something that looked similar to constellations on the cover... I know the background was a very dark blue or black.
There were definite indictments against Christianity in those, and I know of one gay man who was shown statements from that tape where it was pointed out that being homosexual was a complete 'compulsion'.... he was basically told that if he saw a dick he would not be able to restrain himself, and shown transcripts from these tapes to support that view... forget the fact that he was more chaste and more investing in wanting to find a long-term stable relationship than those who were berating him, but... wtf, eh?
I heard all the stuff from the tapes when I got in against Christianity and all religion, but I'm thinking more and more that those have been sanitized... I was thinking these.... is it the Anatomy of Cause? still had some extremely biting criticism in there.
Hub was just all over the place... WTH, and yet the policy about publics to disseminate to (you don't disseminate to die-hards of other religions was a part--actually off-policy), and over and over again, I saw Christianity as an implant in the references but I STILL hear this crap ... I remember being briefed on a Christian minister including the ARC triangle and WTH in his sermons. The upshot for us was, that well.... he was getting an inroads and get others in, and they'd finally one day cog it was all BS. There was always a sly disdain among staff about those folks... we figured they'd come around some day, but in the meantime they were stuck in a fucking implant like LRH told us.
PirateAndBum
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Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
Just wait til the Nation of Islam scilons get on OT III or listen to some of Hubbo's lectures and find out what's what. Fun times ahead for the Co$
Just wait til the Nation of Islam scilons get on OT III or listen to some of Hubbo's lectures and find out what's what. Fun times ahead for the Co$
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
gee...
i'm a professing Xian and i became interested in spite of the lies. there's brilliant work there and i use it in accord with my own principles
and you are entirely welcome to your own beliefs opinions and actions
if you don't mind my asking, are you a Xian yourself or do you have a Xian background?
Here is a post from Alanzo on Geir Isene's thread from earlier today which I agree with:
The only way to interest a Christian in Scientology is by using deception. And sorry, but I don't believe the end justifies the means.
gee...
i'm a professing Xian and i became interested in spite of the lies. there's brilliant work there and i use it in accord with my own principles
and you are entirely welcome to your own beliefs opinions and actions
if you don't mind my asking, are you a Xian yourself or do you have a Xian background?
Commander Birdsong
Crusader
Re: Can You Be a Christian Scientologist? (Juliette Lewis Says YES in New Interview
a dianeticist is someone who studies and applies dianetics
and i haven't gutted my definition of either. there are many christian churches with doctrines that cut me out
and i don't ditch all the metaphysics of scientology
time's short, more soon
Again, you've gutted the definition of Christian and Scientologist to skim definitions that are compatible. That definition ignores the central tenets of Christianity.
Strangely enough, the Christians don't charge me to learn all about their faith so I would disagree that it's pertinent the the discussion.
What, pray tell, is a dianeticist? If you ditch all of the metaphysics from Scientology, you might be able to be a Christian and a Scientologist but you wouldn't really be a Scientologist, would you?
a dianeticist is someone who studies and applies dianetics
and i haven't gutted my definition of either. there are many christian churches with doctrines that cut me out
and i don't ditch all the metaphysics of scientology
time's short, more soon