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phenomanon

Canyon
Mary....if you were putting on an event and you asked for donations and told people it was a public event and someone donated toward the event, would you then tell that donator they couldn't come after they already contributed to it, and then make a scene if they did show up to come hear the speakers?

To me, this is like what CoS does.....they regged me for donations for the supa powa building and then when they held their first event there, I was shut out from attending.....I wasn't welcome even though I had contributed and helped toward the funding of their building. Give me your money.....fuck you very much.....now get lost or I'll sic the fuzz on you. :grouch:

Happened to those Seattle guys who posted their letters of resignation to Cos here on ESMB. Lynne Hoverson (?) was one. Tony dePhillips another.
When they went to the Seattle Ideal Org grand opening, after heavily donating to it, they were not allowed to attend. They caused a bit of a distraction, which offered the opportunity for a video to be made of DM's pitch.
 

chipgallo

Patron Meritorious
They use the First Amendment to the Constitution as a shield to protect the themselves from those who would hold them accountable for their abusive and criminal actions, but will go to extremes (such as in the example you pointed out) to prevent others from exercising THEIR First Amendment rights including free speech, and freedom of assembly.

It is a legal cloaking mechanism, like the religion "angle" is a cloak. Their corporate structure is another layer of obfuscation. Piercing the veil is (as the UNIX people say) non trivial.
 

i'mglib

Patron with Honors
Here's what Darth Xander who is there (he's lawyer who has protested in Clearwater, including filming "Sea Org Alley") said about the injunction on WWP.

I've spent a lot of time researching the law on this issue (way too much time, in fact). Long story short, I don't think its viable anymore. The chances of them attempting to legitimately serve people with it were low to non-existent given the most recent development in the case, and the chances of them succeeding zilch. Even if they tried it, we could of handled it. Yeah its a pain in the butt to go to court, but that's always a possibility with the cult over may issues. And when AMA told me about the fake service I actually felt relieved because I thought we'd now be able to resolve the issue once and for all.

So while there's a small chance they might use it, my opinion is this is the line of business we've chosen. If you've not contemplated possible legal issues related to protesting Scientology you don't know anything about Scientology. If you can't handle that possibility, for whatever reason, then maybe you should reassess your involvement. Just IMHO.

And what the heck? Pete and AMA get the fake treatment but I don't? Yeah I know its because I'd instantly recognize it as a fake, but that's still no reason to exclude me. I came up with the bus tour idea!!!!!
 

betskand

Patron with Honors
I am watching John Sweeney, well listening really as the vid is out of synch - he is such a funny man. Maybe an OK audio can be made of this speech, I hope so.

I hope so too...this is a great speech. Love it when he has the audience yell "Bigot!" "Liar!" You know, it must be a great satisfaction to him after all the crap Tommy Dee put him through to be a hero to so many of us.

I really wish there were a giant poster of Tommy Dee set up that people could scream "Bigot!" and "Liar!" to. That slimy little pudding face needs to have some reality tossed at it.
 
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uncover

Gold Meritorious Patron
A good summary of the drama:

Here's what Darth Xander who is there (he's lawyer who has protested in Clearwater, including filming "Sea Org Alley") said about the injunction on WWP.
Darth Xander said:
If you've not contemplated possible legal issues related to protesting Scientology you don't know anything about Scientology. If you can't handle that possibility, for whatever reason, then maybe you should reassess your involvement. Just IMHO.
small addition:

Fear* has always been the worst basis to make a proper decision.

* e.g. to be sued by the Co$


From "Message to Scientology" :

[video=youtube;JCbKv9yiLiQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ[/video]

anonymous said:
.....
You cannot hide; we are everywhere. We cannot die; we are forever. We're getting bigger every day--and solely by the force of our ideas, malicious and hostile as they often are.

.....

We are Anonymous.

We are Legion.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

Expect us. (rem: hiding under the table....)
....and this chicken should be the CW-cell of the "anonymous"-elite-fighters ? laughable....

I think this explains very well why people are unhappy with the "no-balls-behaviour" - big mouth .... nothing behind.
 
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Magoo

Gold Meritorious Patron
First of all, a "permanent injunction" is only for a lifetime if it is not challenged in the courts. Anyone listed on that injunction can appeal it at any time, and a judge can override it.

Thank you.

The temporary injunction was made permanent after the judge ruled that it was impossible for the protesters & Scientologists to get along peacefully, and the constant friction between the parties was a threat to public safety. The injunction did not say that the parties could not protest the cult; only that they could not protest in the BLUE areas, but they could protest in the ORANGE areas.

I don't know the boundaries of the orange areas.. maybe you can explain that.

Frankly this injunction was even confusing to the POLICE.
I don't remember....my suggestion is take a look at that injunction. It should explain it.


CONCLUSION:

Inasmuch as both the Petitioner and the Respondent have engaged in and continue to engage in the dangerous and threatening practice of seeing how close one another can get to each other while protesting, picketing, and demonstrating each other, have blocked or inhibited the free flow of foot traffic on the public sidewalks, have blocked the flow of traffic on the public roadways, have inhibited the egress and ingress of the parties from their respective buildings, and
have physically touched or attacked each other, it is imperative that all parties must be mutually restrained.

IT IS HEREBY ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that:

l. A permanent injunction is entered against the defendants, Robert S. Minton, Jr., Lisa McPherson Trust, Inc., Jesse Prince, Grady Ward, Stacy Brooks, Jeff Jacobson, Patricia Greenway, Peter Alexander, Mark Bunker and Tory Bezazian, their members, officers, agents, servants, employees and those persons and entities in actual concert or participation with them who receive actual notice of this injunction, enjoining them from picketing, protesting, and/or demonstrating in the areas designated in BLUE (the “prohibited zones”) (picketing, protesting and/or demonstrating is ALLOWED in areas designated in ORANGE) on the diagrams of certain
properties owned and/or operated by the Church
(see Composite Exhibit A-l attached hereto arid incorporated into this Order), and from engaging in any of the aforementioned activities within ten feet of any entrance or exit actually used frequently on a daily basis to all Church property listed on Exhibit B and not expressly included in the prohibited zones designated in Exhibit A-2.

The foregoing paragraph prohibits picketing, protesting and/or demonstrating in areas designated in BLUE (see Exhibit A-l) as well as in areas within ten feet of any entrance exit actually used frequently on a daily basis to Church property that is not expressly included in the prohibited zones designated in BLUE (see Exhibit B). As to all other areas in Pinellas County, Florida, the named defendants, and their officers, agents, servants, employees and those persons and entities in actual concert or participation with them, are free to engage in la 1 picketing, lawful protesting and lawful demonstrating. “Lawful” picketing means “not contrary to or forbidden by law”, provided that at all times while picketing, all persons bound by this injunction shall comply with the anti-noise provisions of this injunction.

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/images/perminj_text.pdf

Thanks for providing this.

This video is compelling.. it shows how angry the judge is in dealing with the issue of protests, in general, and that he took the position that all the nastiness that occurred in Scientology protests was mutual, which caused alot of problems with the CPD.

I believe that is you sitting next to John Merritt at the table, right?

[video=youtube;h2dY3GbzOvg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2dY3GbzOvg[/video]

Yup...that's me (and at the end in pink, behind John, Stacy and Bob)...I'm the one in pink.
I was there as they'd be spending 2 days on Tory Bezazian, and Due to our attorney being super busy, I asked John Merrett to give me
ALL of the videos and *I* would go through them. What a shock to find the UPS truck ~easily~ driving through! Yeah!! BIG EPIC FAIL
FOR $CIENTOLOGY re "Tony Bezazian" (which was the *actual* name on the Injunction). LOL!
Note: The Judge says at 2:00
"Let me tell you what shot you down *Big Time*...UPS" ::woohoo:: :)

Thanks for the video, Smurf. Talk about a blast from the past!

My best to ALL ....:flowers2:

Tory/Magoo
 

Knows

Gold Meritorious Patron
I just heard Arnie Lerma talk about the fact that he received a call from a gentleman that had information about Lisa McPherson's DEATH.
Lisa McPherson was put into a FOOT LOCKER where she obtained her bruises and cock roach bites! :omg:

I just went fucking clear on the entire subject!:yes: I now know what happened to Lisa McPherson! She was shoved into that foot locker because she was going crazy in her room and they could not keep her quiet. She was disturbing the other "guests" and so they brought her down to the bowels of the Fort Homicide and shoved her into a locker where her and the cock roaches could scream to their hearts content. That is where she probably DIED!

RIP Lisa - we will get the truth out for you!!
 

CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
From Laura on WWP. (BTW, I'm done discussing the injunction issues here. The decision has apparently been made by the remaining organizers on behalf of themselves as well as their attendees.)

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/flag-down-2014-full-schedule.118222/page-9#post-2451984

I am officially removing myself as an organizer of Flag Down 2014.

The other organizers decided between themselves to move the conference to a new venue and they are inviting Mark Bunker and Tom Smith to the event. It seems I am cordially invited to attend, but I will not do so.

I am in the process of removing my name from the Flag Down website and any facebook or why we protest posts that I have made in order to protect myself from this injunction.

In my opinion, everyone has enough information about the LMT injunction to make up your own minds as to whether you want to attend or not.
 

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
So it sounds like I can protest, even if I am clearly seen to be operating in concert with Mark Bunker (or others as specified in the injunction), as long as I am not personally violating the injunction.

Do I need to remind you that protesting Scientology is a First Ammendment right? Failboat & friends are bickering over Scientology's (mis)interpretation of what the injunction means & how they can construe it to cause anons & critics problems.

Such utter nonsense from a Perry Mason wannabe. Mark Bunker has posted here on ESMB. If the cult really wanted to claim it (as stupid & ludicrous as it is), they can claim you & Failboat are associates of Mark Bunker because you post on the same discussion group.

Mark Bunker has also posted on WWP, therefore, every anon on there including bonehead Laura Flynn can be claimed as an associate of Mark Bunker.

Seriously.. when did anons & critics start to weigh their efforts based on the misinterpretations of OSA Legal?? It's nonsense.

I understand that Screech (Sarah Heller, OSA Clearwater) called the police yesterday to complain about Flag Down attendees standing outside the Super Power Building & some words were exchanged. Did the attendees go running because Sarah Heller was putting on a show for the police? Nope.

I suggest you read the injunction yourself & not be swayed by those who have zero legal experience, but are convinced they know the legal precedents of an injunction. :)
 

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
I just heard Arnie Lerma talk about the fact that he received a call from a gentleman that had information about Lisa McPherson's DEATH.
Lisa McPherson was put into a FOOT LOCKER where she obtained her bruises and cock roach bites! :omg:

Dox? Nothing in the police investigation or medical testing/evaluations that showed this true be the case. I want to see actual evidence supporting this.

Why did this man decide to call now 18 years after Lisa died?
 

Smurf

Gold Meritorious SP
From Laura on WWP. (BTW, I'm done discussing the injunction issues here. The decision has apparently been made by the remaining organizers on behalf of themselves as well as their attendees.)

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/flag-down-2014-full-schedule.118222/page-9#post-2451984

The smartest thing that could be done, but because Mark & Tom are invited to the Holiday Inn event, Laura Flynn grovels & plays victim & sez she's not going to attend. Real piece of work.

Several anons said it best today on WWP:

Pre-event #1) Have Mark Bunker thrown out.

Pre-event #2) Have Tom Smith thrown out.

Pre event # 3. Ring Tony O before they do, with a prepared statement!

Pre-event #3: Collect up as much money as you can by promoting an open-t0-the public event to on the premise of taking down Flag. Welcome donations from all, including those you plan on shutting out.

Pre-event #4: After you've collected up, tell those who donated that actually, only you as the self-appointed leaderfag can say who can attend.

Pre-event #5: Prepare posts that you really aren't the CW leaderfag, even after you agreed to attention-whore yourself to the media as the CW leaderfag. And despite the fact that you have admitted through your own recent posts that you have been the CW leaderfag for at least the past year.

Pre-event #6: Spend more time on vacation planning like where to have nice meals than on essential things for ANY event like making sure everything starts on time, properly setting up the audio/visual and setting up a podium where the speakers don't look like disembodied talking heads.

Pre-event #7: Prepare tear-jerking post to deflect from your own personal fail, draw sympathy from good-hearted Anons and get them to help cover your ass once the event fails.

Pre-event #8: Cut as many other corners as possible so that in the end: PROFIT.

LOL. Darth Xander responded to this: "I challenge anyone to pass up all you can eat crab legs at Cooters on the beach. I double dog dare you."

Love that guy.
 
It's adorable that you keep addressing these comments to me, when I was not one of the event's organizers.

Once again, you should be directing these comments to AMA. I already provided you with contact info earlier in this thread.

So tell AMA to fight the battle you are fighting for her here.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
Dox? Nothing in the police investigation or medical testing/evaluations that showed this true be the case. I want to see actual evidence supporting this.

Why did this man decide to call now 18 years after Lisa died?

Requesting dox and discussion in new thread. This is too big of a deal to have here.
 

failboat

Patron with Honors
Dox? Nothing in the police investigation or medical testing/evaluations that showed this true be the case. I want to see actual evidence supporting this.

Why did this man decide to call now 18 years after Lisa died?

Requesting dox and discussion in new thread. This is too big of a deal to have here.

This is the relevant video. The quality makes it almost unwatchable. (You may want to watch from the beginning to get practice at comprehending the stutter.)

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/47308093

The anonymous gentleman who is speaking about Lisa McP gets to the relevant part (at the Fort Harrison) at about minute 15, thru to the end of the video (?). I am watching it now..
 
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