Scientology explained

[Cat's Squirrel]

Isn't the word pair Leon's reaching for, "binary thinking"?

My brain misses a gear sometimes when I'm trying to think of a word so it's not like I have any cause to gloat.

 

[strativarius]

Isn't the word pair Leon's reaching for, "binary thinking"?

My brain misses a gear sometimes when I'm trying to think of a word so it's not like I have any cause to gloat.

Binary thinking? Ah yes, that reminds me of something a friend pointed out. There are 10 kinds of people, those that understand binary and those that don't.

 

[Leon-2]

I'm willing to accept an alternate explanation. What is the difference between faith healing and your definition of Scientology?

In faith healing the guy just sits and "gets healed" by Jesus or whoever. He is there purely as the recipient of the grace that will be bestowed on him.

In Scientology, by complete contrast, the person is the agent and source of his own betterment.

I reckon that qualifies as a difference.

 

[Leon-2]

Sally, I used it purely and deliberately to mean two poles, two direct opposites and nothing in between. Two-valued logic if you like. It is a perfectly legitimate use of the word in a different context.

I'm sorry if it has pushed a button on you. It seems to have done so.

 

[George Layton]

Re: Experimentation

It can be good or bad. Medical doctors-including some psychiatrists-have experimented on patients. Sometimes without consent, sometimes deleteriously.

If a person decides he wants to do something considered experimental, it's his lookout.

New Age practitioners' methods are mostly experimental.

It is a huge difference between people, who have been lied to and brought to a delusional state of mind by those lies, that are duped into being experimental participants than people wanting to try out some experiments on others who want to try out some experiments.

 

[George Layton]

although the materials can also be used therapeutically they are primarily an exercise in "creative psychology" intended to make the able more able

Once again your vanity has come out on top.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Suppose a true-believer Scientologist says openly that Scientology requires high long-term commitment as well as great care to avoid costly mistakes, and that the best benefits it can then deliver are subjective and untestable. I can't see any legitimate objection to somebody stating it as their personal opinion that these untestable benefits can be worth their acknowledged cost. I also can't see any great need to object to an opinion like that, since a deal like that will attract few people, and those few will be going into it with their eyes open.

A deal like the above would be 'soft' Scientology: unobjectionable but unappealing. The only reason anyone's ever heard of Scientology is that it was originally offered in its 'hard' form, which promised dramatically objective benefits like enormous intelligence and freedom from ailments, as rewards for modest efforts that always worked. I retain my impression that people who defend Scientology in soft form are still secretly trying to slip back to the hard form whenever they can, because the soft form is so banal. Baiting and switching, to have your cake and eat it too, is the best of both worlds.

Outstanding!

Sorry to corrupt your elegance with the following analogy, but:

Soft Scientology is when you are walking down the street and notice a humanitarian teenager with a placard featuring a heart-wrenching photo of an ill child who needs your help. They kindly ask you if you wouldn't mind taking one of their flyers and to please consider making a small donation of even a dime "FOR THE KIDS".

Hard Scientology is when you pause to reach in your pocket for some change, the teen threatens your life and mugs you. Then, after they have already stolen your wallet, watch and cash, they pistol whip you before stealing your driver's license and threatening they will come to your home and kill your family if you report it to the police.​

Do I possibly need the Cynical Rundown? LOL

 

[Anonycat]

Outstanding!

Sorry to corrupt your elegance with the following analogy, but:

Soft Scientology is when you are walking down the street and notice a humanitarian teenager with a placard featuring a heart-wrenching photo of an ill child who needs your help. They kindly ask you if you wouldn't mind taking one of their flyers and to please consider making a small donation of even a dime "FOR THE KIDS".

Hard Scientology is when you pause to reach in your pocket for some change, the teen threatens your life and mugs you. Then, after they have already stolen your wallet, watch and cash, they pistol whip you before stealing your driver's license and threatening they will come to your home and kill your family if you report it to the police.​

Do I possibly need the Cynical Rundown? LOL

You'll have to wait until Leon's manager BS has another hour at the library to answer your query. Expect the word imprimatur to come up misused.

 

[Bill]

In faith healing the guy just sits and "gets healed" by Jesus or whoever. He is there purely as the recipient of the grace that will be bestowed on him.

In Scientology, by complete contrast, the person is the agent and source of his own betterment.

I reckon that qualifies as a difference.

Nope. That's a meaningless quibble.

 

[Anonycat]

Nope. That's a meaningless quibble.

I agree with that, in the sense that I felt that it was a personality destroying, and indoctrination business. So, if one was to compare actual religion with a mind-programming cult, the difference is more than obvious. I'm not sure if that's what Leon wanted to answer to, but there it is.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

lol, Leon, you have no idea what bi-polar means. It is not black and white thinking, and even black and white thinking has nothing to do with the previous statement.

Did you blow from real English and turn to Scientologese because you had too many MUs in real english?

Scientologists, for all their thousands of hours of word clearing, have a frightfully large portfolio of misunderstood words.

Ask a trained Scientologist what "bi-polar" means and you might get a lot of definitions that don't even appear in any conventional wog dictionary--such as this entry from the Dianeticist's Diabolical Dinky DB Dictionary:

def.

bi-polar -adj: Of or denoting a low toned arctic animal, typically at 1.1. This is confirmed by their second dynamic perversions and deviant sexual encounters with polar bears of either gender.​

 

[lotus]

Scientology mindset:

Any person encountering mental issue and taking med is

A chemical personnality!

How about a person
who's for decades is
taking deep non-sense mindfuck indoctrination
despite knowing, with proof, it's dangerous ??????

 

[Free Being Me]

Scientologists, for all their thousands of hours of word clearing, have a frightfully large portfolio of misunderstood words.

Ask a trained Scientologist what "bi-polar" means and you might get a lot of definitions that don't even appear in any conventional wog dictionary--such as this entry from the Dianeticist's Diabolical Dinky DB Dictionary:

def.

bi-polar -adj: Of or denoting a low toned arctic animal, typically at 1.1. This is confirmed by their second dynamic perversions and deviant sexual encounters with polar bears of either gender.​

Someone didn't do their clay demo.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

..

Someone didn't do their clay demo.

NOTICE: You are hereby ordered to CEASE & DESIST and exercise other applicable restraints from using the pejorative term "clay demo" which, obvious to all, is a thinly veiled attack on beings who have attained the advanced spiritual state of OT.

 

[Leon-2]

I think this is a perfectly good description of the difference between Faith Healing and Scientology. I stand by it.

If you disagree then you'll have to explain why exactly.

In faith healing the guy just sits and "gets healed" by Jesus or whoever. He is there purely as the recipient of the grace that will be bestowed on him.

In Scientology, by complete contrast, the person is the agent and source of his own betterment.

I reckon that qualifies as a difference.

 

[degraded being]

I think this is a perfectly good description of the difference between Faith Healing and Scientology. I stand by it.

If you disagree then you'll have to explain why exactly.

I cut goats open and read the intestines. I am committed and involved and that is why it works well for me.

 

[Anonycat]

I think this is a perfectly good description of the difference between Faith Healing and Scientology. I stand by it.

If you disagree then you'll have to explain why exactly.

You just talked to yourself. I requested that you tell me before you completely snap.

 

[JustSheila]

Leon,

Can you ever just laugh at yourself and not take yourself so seriously 24/7?

You might find it therapeutic.

Laughter is so powerful, it practically brings the dead to life. I've seen it with my own eyes, in a hospital, where a man whose systems were shutting down was made to laugh and fully recovered. Laughter stimulates and revitalizes vital organs, it gets the blood going, it does all sorts of wonderful things.

Try it some time.

 

[Gib]

In faith healing the guy just sits and "gets healed" by Jesus or whoever. He is there purely as the recipient of the grace that will be bestowed on him.

In Scientology, by complete contrast, the person is the agent and source of his own betterment.

I reckon that qualifies as a difference.

One would think that, but that's not quite true.

In scientology, if you grabbed a person off the street, raw meat,

the first thing a scientology auditor has to do is explain things. That right there, in that first step, is indoctrination, or getting agreement (no agreement, you're out of here, PTS/SP, open mind, etc LOL).

I believe it's called a CS-1, one has to learn the terms of ARC, e-meter, etc.

Can you grab somebody off the streets and just audit him/her?

What would the results be?

Well, the first step is to indoctrinate or educate into hubbards system, on a gradient no doubt. But isn't this an evaluation, when one indoctrinates a new person, one is telling the person what to think (hey got an F/N), but yet hubbard said auditing is not evaluation (F/N is an evaluation). But yet subtlety he did, by his subtle indoctrination or education. This is also known as persuasion or hypnosis, getting a person to think per the operators instructions.

Per the hubbard system, there is no way to audit a person to the state of clear or ot, as it is all evaluation. The whole clear or ot concept has to be introduced somewhere, and that is in itself an evaluation of what a person should think, be, do, or have, or act.

 

[sallydannce]

Sally, I used it purely and deliberately to mean two poles, two direct opposites and nothing in between. Two-valued logic if you like. It is a perfectly legitimate use of the word in a different context.

I'm sorry if it has pushed a button on you. It seems to have done so.

Eh? Do you mean me? I haven't said anything since last night on this thread. What words, what context?

I'm going out to have some fun! Gonna play with a magnificent guide-dog.