programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
I hope that you will understand that that is difficult to believe.
My main question:
Why did Hubbard come to this conclusion at that point in time?
Bill Frank's story about brainwashing (thread merge)
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I hope that you will understand that that is difficult to believe.
My main question:
Why did Hubbard come to this conclusion at that point in time?
I posted it for Bill...I am new to this network and figured if I posted to 3 separate categories it would get seen by more people, which is what Bill wanted. He tried to use this site and was not successful (new to social networks) and I said I would help him out...not spam just "new user" gwells
AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Why didn't he just post it at Marty's blog?
Hatshepsut
Crusader
Ya know, Bill, it figures.
I used to work in the Enlisted Mess quite a while back. We had the 18 to 23 year olds. These were the newbie recruits at the Orlando Naval Training Center. Most were Nuclear Power School students. And THIS is my observation about them.
They had all somewhat BLOWN from family, friends, neighborhoods__ circumstances with no futures, and antagonisms. They were running TOWARDS (hopefully) having a sense of being able to make a living and control their own future, of having a woman look at them as a possibility instead of a liability, or being a member of a strong and respected group identity; in SHORT, they had an ARCX with life that caused them to leave home, get on a plane or train or bus, leave their dog, the entire matrix of their old life behind to take a flying leap at what MIGHT be. There was an unrsesolved sadness or despondency underneath all that 'blowing'.
The first night I worked at the mess one nineteen year old maneurvered a Busch can in half and slit his wrists at one of my tables. In the following months the ETs had to come and carry female recruits away on a stretcher who would just OD on a Fri night. Unbelievable! The ARC breaks these crops of youths bring in with them when they blow the environment they came out of. No Chaplain ever got down to the bottom of all of it.
So, yes, look at any person who has abruptly cut themselves away from their dynamics and you will find a 'go drown yourself in the ocean/ take a bottle of pills/ slit your wrists impulses stayed. Its not anger or withholds that causes people to blow....it's overwhelming sadness to where one cannot continue to be 'alive' in anything but a robotic sense if they stayed in those circumstances. It would be a kinda death not to move up and out of there. GOALS are a means of escape by launching oneself into a 'different' arena (by blowing) where there might be a ray of hope to a possible future. We basically already intuit this ___ Life 101.
Also:
There was the hard data that underneath all psychotic breaks or insanity was a withhold. That means if you go type III, look for the withhold. Trouble is a person in that condition is so effect that immediately going in to find the withhold of how dramatizing being 'nuts' will call off their suppression doesn't cut it.
We ALL have areas where something has gone on too long, and one has to bail the once stable identity. In a GPM its called a crossover. In a desperate situation it could be called a death. Left neither choice, one can just abandon all responsibility and 'go nuts'. BUT HERE ONCE AGAIN THE TECH HAD YA LOOKIN FOR THE WITHHOLD PHENOMENA FIRST UP.
I used to work in the Enlisted Mess quite a while back. We had the 18 to 23 year olds. These were the newbie recruits at the Orlando Naval Training Center. Most were Nuclear Power School students. And THIS is my observation about them.
They had all somewhat BLOWN from family, friends, neighborhoods__ circumstances with no futures, and antagonisms. They were running TOWARDS (hopefully) having a sense of being able to make a living and control their own future, of having a woman look at them as a possibility instead of a liability, or being a member of a strong and respected group identity; in SHORT, they had an ARCX with life that caused them to leave home, get on a plane or train or bus, leave their dog, the entire matrix of their old life behind to take a flying leap at what MIGHT be. There was an unrsesolved sadness or despondency underneath all that 'blowing'.
The first night I worked at the mess one nineteen year old maneurvered a Busch can in half and slit his wrists at one of my tables. In the following months the ETs had to come and carry female recruits away on a stretcher who would just OD on a Fri night. Unbelievable! The ARC breaks these crops of youths bring in with them when they blow the environment they came out of. No Chaplain ever got down to the bottom of all of it.
So, yes, look at any person who has abruptly cut themselves away from their dynamics and you will find a 'go drown yourself in the ocean/ take a bottle of pills/ slit your wrists impulses stayed. Its not anger or withholds that causes people to blow....it's overwhelming sadness to where one cannot continue to be 'alive' in anything but a robotic sense if they stayed in those circumstances. It would be a kinda death not to move up and out of there. GOALS are a means of escape by launching oneself into a 'different' arena (by blowing) where there might be a ray of hope to a possible future. We basically already intuit this ___ Life 101.
Also:
There was the hard data that underneath all psychotic breaks or insanity was a withhold. That means if you go type III, look for the withhold. Trouble is a person in that condition is so effect that immediately going in to find the withhold of how dramatizing being 'nuts' will call off their suppression doesn't cut it.
We ALL have areas where something has gone on too long, and one has to bail the once stable identity. In a GPM its called a crossover. In a desperate situation it could be called a death. Left neither choice, one can just abandon all responsibility and 'go nuts'. BUT HERE ONCE AGAIN THE TECH HAD YA LOOKIN FOR THE WITHHOLD PHENOMENA FIRST UP.
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TheSneakster
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"gwells" (new mystery poster) is claiming to be posting on behalf of Bill Franks. This absolutely must be confirmed, before it is accepted as coming from him.
Disinformation is part and parcel of the Co$ versus Critic Information Wars, never forget that.
This posting ID has 4 posts (at this moment), 3 of which are this identical content posted on different threads. WTF is up with that ?
AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
I can see what you mean except for the fact the Marty hates Mayo - considers him a squirrel, helped sue him to near death, set up PIs and lies to try and destroy Mayo. Mayo is the only person who could corroborate this but can't because he signed a gag agreement.
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AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
"gwells" (new mystery poster) is claiming to be posting on behalf of Bill Franks. This absolutely must be confirmed, before it is accepted as coming from him.
Disinformation is part and parcel of the Co$ versus Critic Information Wars, never forget that.
exactly. See my post with the bill franks facebook link with Rinder and other indys as friends. Maybe you can write him? I am not on facebook.
Hatshepsut
Crusader
Bill,
AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Read this other thread Gwells posted and the comments. Franks is on facebook ( with Rinder and other indies as friends )and the story should be verified first.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=22265
I always liked Bill. I was told by some high up execs back in the 80's that he was removed as ED Int because got progressive cancer of the mouth. That he had an open hole in his jaw. I posted about that here
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/b695d75a0a4f1425?fwc=1
Thrak
Gold Meritorious Patron
I actually find it easy to believe as it makes a lot of sense. I don't know why it was posted 3 times but judging by the response it seems people were really sick of having the w/h gun pointed at us all the time, I know I was and it does make sense that the entire w/h nonsense was just a control mechanism. I have no idea if this incident really happened but I know when I blew I was PISSED!
afaceinthecrowd
Gold Meritorious Patron
Okay gwells. I should be in bed and I'm headin' there after this post.
I guess your "Bill Franks" forgot that he wasn't on the Apollo in '74.:confused2:
But, as you are "obviously" his trusted confidant, I’m sure you can tell me just exactly where he was and what his post during ’74. There are many more “holes” in your post but, for now, I’m “keeping my powder dry”.
Please confer with “Bill” and respond to my statement and inquiry re: ’74.
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programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
Yeah, but my question (assuming that this report is true) is why Hubbard did an "about face" 180 degree turn on this topic.
What happened?
afaceinthecrowd
Gold Meritorious Patron
I'm going to bed...y'all can play with the troll for the rest of the night.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=541978&postcount=16
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http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=541978&postcount=16
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TheSneakster
Guest
AnonyMary,
I have this Bill Franks friended. I have still not decided whether this Facebook ID is the real deal or another OSA honeypot for gathering intelligence. However, I am inclined to think it is really him.
On that basis, I have PM'd him asking (a) whether he authorized 'gwells' to post to ESMB on his behalf and (b) whether he really made those claims attributed to him. I have no idea how long it will take to get a response.
But it seems very odd to me that Bill Franks would be computer savvy enough to operate a Facebook page and yet not (as "gwells" has claimed) be savvy enough to operate vBulletin forum software ( what ESMB runs on ).
programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
gwells,
Why did you start 3 threads with same opening info? Just curious.
EDIT: I see the answer on another thread.
Why did you start 3 threads with same opening info? Just curious.
EDIT: I see the answer on another thread.
AnonyMary
Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
Okay gwells. I should be in bed and I'm headin' there after this post.
I guess your "Bill Franks" forgot that he wasn't on the Apollo in '74.:confused2:
But, as you are "obviously" his trusted confidant, I’m sure you can tell me just exactly where he was and what his post during ’74. There are many more “holes” in your post but, for now, I’m “keeping my powder dry”.
Please confer with “Bill” and respond to my statement and inquiry re: ’74.
Face
AnonyMary,
I have this Bill Franks friended. I have still not decided whether this Facebook ID is the real deal or another OSA honeypot for gathering intelligence. However, I am inclined to think it is really him.
On that basis, I have PM'd him asking (a) whether he authorized 'gwells' to post to ESMB on his behalf and (b) whether he really made those claims attributed to him. I have no idea how long it will take to get a response.
But it seems very odd to me that Bill Franks would be computer savvy enough to operate a Facebook page and yet not (as "gwells" has claimed) be savvy enough to operate vBulletin forum software ( what ESMB runs on ).
Good! I believe it is him on facebook, as he has Anne Preston Franks as a friend as well. Which confers with peoplefinders data.
William W Franks Clearwater, FL | 64 years old
Locations Malvern, PA | Clearwater, FL | West Chester, PA | King Of Prussia, PA
Aliases None
Relatives Anne Preston Franks | James B Frankel | Linda P Franklin
I would think that Rinder would only keep him on facebook list if he was the real deal, but then again, I don't know Rinder either.
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Gottabrain
Guest
Hi Gwells,
and welcome.
Very interesting posts you have put up for Bill Franks. I liked the first one and whether or not Bill Franks actually wrote it, I agree that people leave because of upsets. It's kind of something the rest of the world already knows, but it was really nice to see it written like that.
Please correct Bill Franks, if you would, and let him know that Jesse Prince and the others he mentioned stopped protesting many years ago. Jesse only learned about Anonymous and the ex movement about a year ago and was so happy that he did some special protests and speeches for us and has been extremely helpful helping many recover from the cult. But he certainly has a life of his own apart from protesting, as do I and many of the other ex's.
It would be nice to see Bill Franks join the exscn forum. There are a lot of questions many of us have and there is a wide range of people here and many of his old friends.
How about telling us a bit about yourself, Gwells?
Sheila
and welcome.
Very interesting posts you have put up for Bill Franks. I liked the first one and whether or not Bill Franks actually wrote it, I agree that people leave because of upsets. It's kind of something the rest of the world already knows, but it was really nice to see it written like that.
Please correct Bill Franks, if you would, and let him know that Jesse Prince and the others he mentioned stopped protesting many years ago. Jesse only learned about Anonymous and the ex movement about a year ago and was so happy that he did some special protests and speeches for us and has been extremely helpful helping many recover from the cult. But he certainly has a life of his own apart from protesting, as do I and many of the other ex's.
It would be nice to see Bill Franks join the exscn forum. There are a lot of questions many of us have and there is a wide range of people here and many of his old friends.
How about telling us a bit about yourself, Gwells?
Sheila
Karen#1
Gold Meritorious Patron
Bill Franks
Face
Bill Franks was on the Apollo in 1974.
I was there. I interfaced with him and his then wife Jeannie Franks often (Now Jeanie Sonenfield ED of Cincinnatti Org)
Sneakster ~~
I have had direct communication with the Bill Franks on Facebook.
He is the True BILL FRANKS that was ED INT.
My name is Karen de la Carriere and I approve of the above message
Face
Bill Franks was on the Apollo in 1974.
I was there. I interfaced with him and his then wife Jeannie Franks often (Now Jeanie Sonenfield ED of Cincinnatti Org)
Sneakster ~~
I have had direct communication with the Bill Franks on Facebook.
He is the True BILL FRANKS that was ED INT.
My name is Karen de la Carriere and I approve of the above message
Jachs
Gold Meritorious Patron
Good! I believe it is him on facebook, as he has Anne Preston Franks as a friend as well. Which confers with peoplefinders data.
William W Franks Clearwater, FL | 64 years old
Locations Malvern, PA | Clearwater, FL | West Chester, PA | King Of Prussia, PA
Aliases None
Relatives Anne Preston Franks | James B Frankel | Linda P Franklin
I would think that Rinder would only keep him on facebook list if he was the real deal, but then again, I don't know Rinder either.
you are AnonyMary PI. you need a ferrari?
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