Catholics weighing in

[SweetnessandLight]

Interesting thought!

Perhaps we can now expect a strategic allience between
Anonymous and Opus Dei; perhaps with a contingent
of Knights of Columbus, Franciscan Friars, black robed
Jesuits and a few Nuns thrown in for good measure!
Would make for an interesting demonstration at the
next big ballyhooed scientology "event". Maybe
the Baptists can join up too, they're very anti abortion.

Actually, on this topic I would bet on Opus Dei and the Knights of Columbus against all of OSA and INT Base staff combined, with their goon squad hired PI's thrown in. It would be a royal beat down for sure.

Not that I'm advocating violence in any way, I'm a pacifist...

 

[Anonycat]

This coerced abortion policy has nothing to do with Scientology's alleged "religious" beliefs or practices, and everything to do with "stats", the productivity of workers making money for the cult.

Conveniently, LRH said that a thetan doesn't enter until birth, making an abortion little more than an inconvenience. So, I'd also say that it's part of source as well as Flag Orders - which is blatant discrimination against a pregnant woman. And that is against the law. Nice little church they got going there, huh?

 

[byte301]

Conveniently, LRH said that a thetan doesn't enter until birth, making an abortion little more than an inconvenience. So, I'd also say that it's part of source as well as Flag Orders - which is blatant discrimination against a pregnant woman. And that is against the law. Nice little church they got going there, huh?

Yeah, I remember reading that or hearing it. So how does he explain a thetanless body getting engrams in the womb?

 

[Hoodwinked]

Two thumbs up

If you scroll to the bottom of the article on this link, there is a box that is entitled "Rate This" with a couple of questions, one of which is "Would you like to see more on this subject?" If enough people respond "yes" they will continue to expose the co$.

Thanks for the link SweetnessandLight.

Read this:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34810

And this: http://catholicism.org/the-even-darker-world-of-scientology.html#comment-1747

 

[altruistichedonist]

If you scroll to the bottom of the article on this link, there is a box that is entitled "Rate This" with a couple of questions, one of which is "Would you like to see more on this subject?" If enough people respond "yes" they will continue to expose the cos$.

Thanks for the link SweetnessandLight.

Thanks. I did.

Perhaps the Catholics would like this.

In 94, a member of the COS from Winnipeg, Rick Carpick, told me that Pope John Paul II was a Nazi collaborator for IG Farben. But the only link possible was that he worked for the Solvay chemical company to avoid being deported to Germany. There's nothing about IG Farben in his well documented bio.

Hmm ... perhaps, to the best of my knowledge, that's why there are no active COS Scientologists in Poland.

Anybody else hear any manufactured entheta about John Paul II that would be of service to Catholics?

 

[NonScio]

I haven't read "Dianetics" in many years, but I seem to recall that
Hubbard was obsessed with attempted but failed abortions.
He cites case after of his "pcs" who run engrams of their mothers
jabbing at them with darning needles or whatever. I don't remember
him making any moral pronouncements on the practice. I do
seem to remember his saying that any woman who
accepts an abortion is extremely "low toned"; indeed a
"degraded being" At that time, abortion was nearly universally
illegal with the possible exception of Sweden.

Hubbard must have developed his "thetan joins the body at
birth" theory later because, it seems many (if not most)
of his early "preclears" ran this attempted abortion incident...
which is obviously a "before birth" event. Perhaps he thought he
solved this contradiction later when he spun his "genetic entity" myth
which hypothesizes physical body engrams as opposed to "thetan engrams".
Weeping clams on primordial beaches; that sort of thing.

Whatever Hubbard's muddled "theology" on the subject may have been,
his cult has come down squaurely on the side of abortion. In the
"sea org", universal abortion seems to be the rule. By Hubbard's
early writings, this appears to condemn them all as "degraded beings".
Perhaps he was right...the cult seems to go out of its way to
create degraded beings; especially its very own "elite" degraded beings.

 

[Anonycat]

I haven't read "Dianetics" in many years, but I seem to recall that
Hubbard was obsessed with attempted but failed abortions.
He cites case after of his "pcs" who run engrams of their mothers
jabbing at them with darning needles or whatever. I don't remember
him making any moral pronouncements on the practice. I do
seem to remember his saying that any woman who
accepts an abortion is extremely "low toned"; indeed a
"degraded being" At that time, abortion was nearly universally
illegal with the possible exception of Sweden.

Hubbard must have developed his "thetan joins the body at
birth" theory later because, it seems many (if not most)
of his early "preclears" ran this attempted abortion incident...
which is obviously a "before birth" event. Perhaps he thought he
solved this contradiction later when he spun his "genetic entity" myth
which hypothesizes physical body engrams as opposed to "thetan engrams".
Weeping clams on primordial beaches; that sort of thing.

Whatever Hubbard's muddled "theology" on the subject may have been,
his cult has come down squaurely on the side of abortion. In the
"sea org", universal abortion seems to be the rule. By Hubbard's
early writings, this appears to condemn them all as "degraded beings".
Perhaps he was right...the cult seems to go out of its way to
create degraded beings; especially its very own "elite" degraded beings.

Hubbard contradictions are so great, someone should do a whole website dedicated to just that.

"L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., is a survivor. His appearance on earth, May 7, 1934, was the result of failed abortion rituals by his father, and Ron, after only six and a half months in the womb and at 2.2 pounds entered the world. "

"I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years old. It is certainly a problem for my father and for Scientology that I rememoer this. It was around 1939, 1940, that I watched my father doing something to my mother. She was lying on the bed and he was sitting on her, facing her feet. He had a coat hanger in his hand. There was blood all over the place. I remember my father shouting at me. "Go back to bed!" A little while later a doctor came and took her off to the hospital. She didn't talk about it for quite a number of years. Neither did my father."




Sauce: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html

 

[byte301]

Thanks. I did.

Perhaps the Catholics would like this.

In 94, a member of the COS from Winnipeg, Rick Carpick, told me that Pope John Paul II was a Nazi collaborator for IG Farben. But the only link possible was that he worked for the Solvay chemical company to avoid being deported to Germany. There's nothing about IG Farben in his well documented bio.

Hmm ... perhaps, to the best of my knowledge, that's why there are no active COS Scientologists in Poland.

Anybody else hear any manufactured entheta about John Paul II that would be of service to Catholics?

When the Pope got shot in 1981 some of us were standing around the org talking about how awful it was that this had happened. Another scilon came up and just started ranting about how he pulled it in and how stupid we were to feel any sympathy.

That was the worst thing I ever ran across regarding the Catholics or the Pope. They, as you know, had a pretty 1.1 attitude about other religions.

 

[byte301]

I haven't read "Dianetics" in many years, but I seem to recall that
Hubbard was obsessed with attempted but failed abortions.
He cites case after of his "pcs" who run engrams of their mothers
jabbing at them with darning needles or whatever. I don't remember
him making any moral pronouncements on the practice. I do
seem to remember his saying that any woman who
accepts an abortion is extremely "low toned"; indeed a
"degraded being" At that time, abortion was nearly universally
illegal with the possible exception of Sweden.

Hubbard must have developed his "thetan joins the body at
birth" theory later because, it seems many (if not most)
of his early "preclears" ran this attempted abortion incident...
which is obviously a "before birth" event. Perhaps he thought he
solved this contradiction later when he spun his "genetic entity" myth
which hypothesizes physical body engrams as opposed to "thetan engrams".
Weeping clams on primordial beaches; that sort of thing.

Whatever Hubbard's muddled "theology" on the subject may have been,
his cult has come down squaurely on the side of abortion. In the
"sea org", universal abortion seems to be the rule. By Hubbard's
early writings, this appears to condemn them all as "degraded beings".
Perhaps he was right...the cult seems to go out of its way to
create degraded beings; especially its very own "elite" degraded beings.

So he claimed that the genetic entity remembered words spoken outside the womb because of a physical body engram?

God. He just pulled this shit right out of his ass, didn't he? How could I have believed any of this crap.

 

[Anonycat]

So he claimed that the genetic entity remembered words spoken outside the womb because of a physical body engram?

God. He just pulled this shit right out of his ass, didn't he? How could I have believed any of this crap.

It's over ... it's OK whatever you thought before ... you are evolved now.


:dancer::lol
::angel:

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Take some action-Tell your story

Here is a link to another thread on coerced abortions in the Sea Org and a request for information for legal cases by Larry Brennan:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=14589&nojs=1#goto_threadtools

 

[Vinaire]

Catholicism to Scientology seems to be like Marty Rathbun to David Miscavige.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Read this:
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=34810

And this: http://catholicism.org/the-even-darker-world-of-scientology.html#comment-1747

 

[Blue Spirit]

Common Sense

Conveniently, LRH said that a thetan doesn't enter until birth, making an abortion little more than an inconvenience. So, I'd also say that it's part of source as well as Flag Orders - which is blatant discrimination against a pregnant woman. And that is against the law. Nice little church they got going there, huh?

Doesn't common sense tell you that a kicking fetus is being motivated by a being.

Also I might add that with only one in 2000 beings here having a human body,

the competition is tough, so the "early bird gets the worm" so to speak.

 

[Blue Spirit]

"Elite Degraded Beings"

I haven't read "Dianetics" in many years, but I seem to recall that
Hubbard was obsessed with attempted but failed abortions.
He cites case after of his "pcs" who run engrams of their mothers
jabbing at them with darning needles or whatever. I don't remember
him making any moral pronouncements on the practice. I do
seem to remember his saying that any woman who
accepts an abortion is extremely "low toned"; indeed a
"degraded being" At that time, abortion was nearly universally
illegal with the possible exception of Sweden.

Hubbard must have developed his "thetan joins the body at
birth" theory later because, it seems many (if not most)
of his early "preclears" ran this attempted abortion incident...
which is obviously a "before birth" event. Perhaps he thought he
solved this contradiction later when he spun his "genetic entity" myth
which hypothesizes physical body engrams as opposed to "thetan engrams".
Weeping clams on primordial beaches; that sort of thing.

Whatever Hubbard's muddled "theology" on the subject may have been,
his cult has come down squaurely on the side of abortion. In the
"sea org", universal abortion seems to be the rule. By Hubbard's
early writings, this appears to condemn them all as "degraded beings".
Perhaps he was right...the cult seems to go out of its way to
create degraded beings; especially its very own "elite" degraded beings.

Well I do think that you've hit a couple of nails on the head there.

I never knew anyone that exemplifies the cliche of "Do as I say, not as I do" better than LRH.

It is clear that he is speaking out of his own overts on Abortion.

 

[byte301]

That is the facepalm to end all facepalms!

 

[NonScio]

Hubbard contradictions are so great, someone should do a whole website dedicated to just that.

"L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., is a survivor. His appearance on earth, May 7, 1934, was the result of failed abortion rituals by his father, and Ron, after only six and a half months in the womb and at 2.2 pounds entered the world. "

"I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years old. It is certainly a problem for my father and for Scientology that I rememoer this. It was around 1939, 1940, that I watched my father doing something to my mother. She was lying on the bed and he was sitting on her, facing her feet. He had a coat hanger in his hand. There was blood all over the place. I remember my father shouting at me. "Go back to bed!" A little while later a doctor came and took her off to the hospital. She didn't talk about it for quite a number of years. Neither did my father."




Sauce: http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien240.html

Thank for that article link! Really informative. Aside from the
abortion angle there are Hubbard Jr.'s revelation about the
physical beatings going back to the fifties. Miscaviage, it seems,
is not at all "off policy" in his overt sadism; he is merely
perpetuating the regime established by his master.

I thank my guardian angel for steering me away from this
Satanic Cult many years ago before I got pulled in any further!

 

[Anonycat]

Thank for that article link! Really informative. Aside from the
abortion angle there are Hubbard Jr.'s revelation about the
physical beatings going back to the fifties. Miscaviage, it seems,
is not at all "off policy" in his overt sadism; he is merely
perpetuating the regime established by his master.

I thank my guardian angel for steering me away from this
Satanic Cult many years ago before I got pulled in any further!

Yeah, a lot of people never mention the Satanic part. His devotion to Crowley, his house-share with Parson where he expanded his experimenting with his new rituals and ideas like Moonchild. The Whore of Babylon incarnate. Then Hubbard goes directly into writing Dianetics and then Scientology. Too crazy to be a movie.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

 

[tina1000]

Don't get me wrong. Exposing the abuses in Scientology is very important and the more exposure the better...but the Catholics don't have much room to talk. They don't like abortions or birth control, even if it protects people from life threatening disease. They also tend to sweep child abuse under the rug to protect priests. I have mixed feelings about their finger pointing. On the one hand, I'm happy if they call attention to the situation, but on the other hand the Catholic church has done its fair share of abuse to it's nuns who are uprising now, and to it's children whose abuse has been ignored and denied. I was raised catholic and am still trying to understand a 10 year relationship I had with a very brainwashed Scientologist. Now, I try to stay away from religious sects and cults all together. I wasn't sure Scientology was a cult for a long time. Now I'm pretty sure it is. The Catholics don't FORCE donations, and actually do some real charity work, but there is a dark underbelly at the very top, with all the money and costumes and gold jewelry. I will stop now. : )