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ESMB and The Freezone - let's have it out!

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Emma:

You know, when I first *left* in 2004, it was a HUGE LOSS in some ways...(loss of one's supposed 'freedom/eternity/OT Powers').
And just coming here and to post was a HUGE STEP for me..as I was so skittish, that I thought that automatically magic, big bad OSA would know who I was instantly and I'd have a goldenrod in the mail the next day, :lol:
(Obviously, I wasn't ready for declare at that point yet).

Then, after posting a few times, and the wonderful welcome from you and others here, I started feeling better and stronger and felt SAFE.

And....while I admit right here that I definitely considered looking into FZ auditing, I haven't gone that way (not sure I ever will, to tell the truth, YET...IF I ever find myself in need of some professional counselling, NOT SURE if I would step into a psychologists/psychiatrists office, so what other option would one in my place have but to possibly look into FZ Auditing? (I know there are other counselling stuff out there, Sedona Method, Meditiations, etc...but putting those aside for the moment).

So...that being said, I do not mind the FZ posting here. I have rarely been approached by any of them, nor have I ever felt pushed by them or anything, which impresses me.

Regardless, I think the current board with the 'mix' of FZ'ers and us ex's work out, as the FZ do have their own threads here.

Perhaps the separations in threads regarding those who have just left and are seeking help from other ex's should be a little more patrolled, just to prevent confusions to the newbie ex's? :shrug:
 
Escalus said:
well I don't care anyway. I haven't been cogent in ten years. Anyhow to hell with the freezone. kick dey asses outta here.
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One only has to look at the new 'From the horses mouth' thread to get the picture of what's happening. Glad to see you back Escalus.. :yes:
 
SchwimmelPuckel said:
Freezone is not correct target at this time. In fact Freezone is a good thing right now, imo..

Problems may arise when the Sinister Scam Cult of Scientology implodes for real... At that time the Freezone will probably (make that certainly) establish itself as the 'kosher' Scn.

The danger for all of us is that the Freezone develops into the same totalitarian mess that CofS is today. The germs for that is in Hubbards tech right from the start.

Those members of the Freezone who wants a moderate and 'reasonable' movement will have to wrestle power from the Hubbard fundamentalists.. Who will probably be unreasonable, ruthless 'tigers'.

Who's gonna take it? - And where will it lead?

:wiggle:
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The connection of the FZ and Anon is very good. The COS needs heavy duty reform [unlikey ] or destruction.

There is no way in which the FZ will get the power of creating a totalitarian mess. Despite any who might wish it, and they are REALLY very few.
 
Terril park said:
I had no idea you were warned. I find it hard to keep up with everything.
I checked the moderators profile and they all have hardly ever posted anything. Max 8 posts for the most prolific.

Peace.
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Once again more lies Terril. When writing is written in bright red ink for all to see underneath my post, and then you reply to that post a couple of posts later, you cannot now tell me that you deny that you saw it. Indeed, you do seem to have quite a lot of trouble keeping up with everything, this is not the first or second time I have read this excuse from you.
 
OLSKA
I've said before that pushing scientology on a forum for EX-scientologists who are helping each other through the process of recovering from their encounter/ experience with scientology is akin to offering fruity alcoholic drinks to people attending an AA meeting, all the while telling them it will make them feel better.

BB
This is with respect a narrow view.

I have recieved hundreds of ex COS members who were overjoyed to find they could practice SCN without the downside. All came from critical forums.

You wish to deny them this communication?
 
Terril park said:
OLSKA
I've said before that pushing scientology on a forum for EX-scientologists who are helping each other through the process of recovering from their encounter/ experience with scientology is akin to offering fruity alcoholic drinks to people attending an AA meeting, all the while telling them it will make them feel better.

BB
This is with respect a narrow view.

I have recieved hundreds of ex COS members who were overjoyed to find they could practice SCN without the downside. All came from critical forums.

You wish to deny them this communication?
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After 8 years of being a critic, I would have to say "no, I would not wish to deny them this option."

I do not think I have a right to.
 
Pixie said:
Once again more lies Terril. When writing is written in bright red ink for all to see underneath my post, and then you reply to that post a couple of posts later, you cannot now tell me that you deny that you saw it. Indeed, you do seem to have quite a lot of trouble keeping up with everything, this is not the first or second time I have read this excuse from you.
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Not lies. You assume I read that post. Maybe I did and can't recall.
Maybe I didn't.

Why not post again here? Then we can discuss.
 
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" Standard tech- is not a process or a series of processes. It is following
the rules of processing."
That definition doesn't go down too well in the "standard tech" world, like the one of "is what you can get away with". As you must know, Terril.

Paul
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I don't always go down in the standard tech world. :)

Intention to be there for the client is senior.
 
Terril park said:
Not lies. You assume I read that post. Maybe I did and can't recall.
Maybe I didn't.

Why not post again here? Then we can discuss.
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Here we go, more convenient amnesia... why should I post it when you are so obviously telling yet more porky pies?
 
Pixie said:
Here we go, more convenient amnesia... why should I post it when you are so obviously telling yet more porky pies?
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Pixie, Terril hasn't even figured out how to use the quote function after all these years, so I think maybe he does suffer some memory deficits as well. Makes you wonder about those wonderful abilities he claims can be had from the tech. He is a perfect example of scientology NOT working.
 
Who is an EX?

Per the C of S, having left the church, we are all EXes. Per this board's FAQs:

Who is considered an "Ex Scientologist"?
Anyone who has broken free of the restraints of the Official Church of Scientology and is "allowed" to read & post to the internet.

So per the Church and per this board we are all Exes; whether we are FZ, non-FZ or anti-FZ.

RL
 
Ladybird said:
Pixie, Terril hasn't even figured out how to use the quote function after all these years, so I think maybe he does suffer some memory deficits as well. Makes you wonder about those wonderful abilities he claims can be had from the tech. He is a perfect example of scientology NOT working.
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My thoughts exactly Ladybird! :yes: I think that says it all don't you? :thumbsup:
 
Reasonable Lady said:
Per the C of S, having left the church, we are all EXes. Per this board's FAQs:

Who is considered an "Ex Scientologist"?
Anyone who has broken free of the restraints of the Official Church of Scientology and is "allowed" to read & post to the internet.

So per the Church and per this board we are all Exes; whether we are FZ, non-FZ or anti-FZ.

RL
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And what about the 'Anti-Freeze'? :coolwink:
 
Pixie said:
Yes, I thought it might be a little past your bedtime Terril Park, don't forget to tuck in your stuffies.
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It was a somewhat ironic quote of the title of a wonderful movie
starring and directed by George Clooney.

I don't know what stuffies are. I did look them up in the tech dictionary.

No joy:(
 
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