Pixie
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It was a somewhat ironic quote of the title of a wonderful movie
starring and directed by George Clooney.
I don't know what stuffies are. I did look them up in the tech dictionary.
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'Stuffed Toys' Terril Park.
ESMB and The Freezone - let's have it out!
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'Stuffed Toys' Terril Park.
anon2487
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I think that Scientology can be profoundly damaging to people's mental health. That said, as an outsider, I'm firmly of the belief that Scientology's at it's most vulnerable when it's exposed to the light, as it's ideas simply don't stack up.
So whilst it's insidious, seductive and addictive - and I don't doubt for one minute that some former members will be re-recruited via the FZ - it's also a two-way street, and the inevitable cross-fertilisation of ideas will lead to atrophy or dilution of the FZ "Tech".
My 2 cents.
So whilst it's insidious, seductive and addictive - and I don't doubt for one minute that some former members will be re-recruited via the FZ - it's also a two-way street, and the inevitable cross-fertilisation of ideas will lead to atrophy or dilution of the FZ "Tech".
My 2 cents.
Vinaire
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Well spoken anon. The difficulty (from a spiritual point of view, so to speak) is when darkness is pretending to be light, to those yet living in darkness, the darkness appears to be light, for 'real'.
Every major religion in the history of the world is aware of and articulates this interesting phenomena. Akin to the story of Santa Clause being told to an infant, and being believed by that infant. While Hubbard charged for the story, most parents of children do not.
Which is why 'already spiritually developed individuals' are not interesting or valuable or worthy of recruitment, into Hubbard's band wagon of mis-mash science fiction/factual ideas 2487. Remember, anyone with a floating needle prior to scientological processing is, according to Hubbard, worse off than the average aberrated pc (in desperate need of scientology to fix their 'ruin' in life). Lol! I believe he made up a phrase for spiritually enlightened individuals and their prose: Theety Tweety? or something like that? LOL. You can check with Terril or Fluffy for the facts. They know a Theety Tweety when they 'spot' one. And they can 'spot' one a mile away. Ron taught em how to do that.
He also taught them how to handle such a severely aberrated individual. Think TR's. Lol. Look into their eyes and pretend they're not there. Hear what they are saying and pretend it is meaningless. Feel their emotion and do not be touched. In a word, be a robot, calling yourself God. Devoid of all things human & real.
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Mark A. Baker
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So here I'll put Alan and Mike Goldstein in the target area.
" Standard tech- is not a process or a series of processes. It is following
the rules of processing."
Those who consider these two non standard speak up now or forever hold their peace.
PS. Please don't report me to FZ forums as I'll be hung drawn and quartered.
Not on FreezoneOrg.
Mark A. Baker
grundy
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I think they annoyed each other but they working it out. I hope.
Or theres so much sexual tension it causes snippyness (Now THAT was a joke).
Mark A. Baker
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That definition doesn't go down too well in the "standard tech" world, like the one of "is what you can get away with". As you must know, Terril.
Paul
Don't agree with that as written, Paul. The idea is right but the "standard tech" world in the freezone is a pretty broad one. With regard to the narrowest segment, those who continually assert their own sense of authority and seek to censor others, you are certainly correct.
However, many "standard tech" people in the freezone come from earlier times. They often have a much more expanded view of the tech and make a very good case for the validity of their views.
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Veda
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Here's a suggestion: Drop the PR and start saying what you really think, not what you think will "handle" others.
http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=101407&postcount=56
Freezone (Scientology) Section:
http://forum.exscn.net/forumdisplay.php?f=11
Independent Field section (moved beyond Scientology)
http://forum.exscn.net/forumdisplay.php?f=34
Alan
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I'm suprised at your comments. You have pushed points of view on many threads where you are almost the sole participant. You have promoted Idenics. I have no problems with any of this.
Here is a question. Its popular with some to bash scientology even when practiced in the FZ.
Few bash the offshoots.
I know I'm a target. Makes life interesting.
So here I'll put Alan and Mike Goldstein in the target area.
" Standard tech- is not a process or a series of processes. It is following
the rules of processing."
Those who consider these two non standard speak up now or forever hold their peace.
PS. Please don't report me to FZ forums as I'll be hung drawn and quartered.
One of the definitions of "madness" is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
When I left in 1977 - it was because since 1968 and oft times earlier I was being made to do the same things over and over again.
Since that time I have pursued what is above the narrow view of the world that LRH and Scio had.
Just recently I completed the Games Matrix Procedure - guess what - there is no need for most of the unusual solutions of Scio.
I'm still coming to grips with the changes......
Scio helped run out some darkside aspects........but at the price of minimizing the lightside of a being.
To properly run a Games Matrix Package requires all levels of Tech.......most are not part of Scio.
Every major item contains the equivalent of a 53R (Positive/Negative) Correction list - thus the client has to be fairly subject literate. As well as life literate.
A Games Matrix Package is connected to and spans all levels of existence Spirit, Mind, Body and Environment.
Yet its purpose is to inhibit the Beings power.
It will not run unless run from present time - but all Games contain oppositions and thus float in PT.
It will not run if there is any form of Cultism.
Scio is in actuality modelled on an operating Games Matrix format. As are most Cults.
The mechanics of a creation are almost all the same........it is the sequence, content and intentions that are different.
Paradox, BH and others have observed some of the top parts of the Games Matrices.
BTW it has taken me 52 years to complete this.......
My take is if the intent is to go all the way - then it does not matter what you study and run........it will turn out okay.
The only thing is to Be - Do - and Have what you love to be - do - and have - stay true to your own wants, own interests, and own goals - as you erase the charge and wrong answers and items you will connect to more and more beings with the same or similar wants, interests and goals.
Two of my best clients did RonsOrg stuff 20 years ago........they got a lot out of it........it missed a lot......but it was very easy to correct.
Alan
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"Captain" Bill was quite a character, he merits his own thread on here IMO.
(Edit; just more waffle to help push the thread towards the 100 post mark.
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Pixie
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Sorry Ladybird, however in my view, if one is applying $cientology 'tech', no matter what one cares to call it, it's $cientology.
Pixie
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Pixie
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Pixie
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We just need to stay out of each other's way. As for the 'sexual tension' Grundy, if I didn't like you as I do, you'd be next on my list for the following;
SchwimmelPuckel
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Allow me to explain why I think the FZ is a good thing right now. Probably some of you thought I was drunk as tits when I wrote that... I wasn't!
As I percieve things right now, the FZ is a reform movement, a splinter group, or several, to CoS. These splintergroups are made up of people who got on the wrong side of CoS in some way. They left disgusted or was kicked out with CoS's usual good wishes for their future (scathing sarcasm).
Those who left disgusted: The disgust is mostly about the 'Admin tech', which in principle is every bit as 'sacred' as 'The Tech' inside CofS. However, the resulting mental terror and impossible conditions for living causes a lot of people to leave. Some of these people retain a belief in the mental therapy (Dianetics, OT, auditing)... Well, that's the mental conditioning they received, but I'll ignore that for the time being and pretend it's their own choice. They are convinced that it is!
Those kicked out: They too might still believe in the 'tech'.
But any way you look at it, these people are on their way out of the mindbending circus. (Unless they jump back in. Some do!)
Speaking of conditioning.. Cult think, hypnosis, mesmerized or being brainwashed.. The loving parting greetings from CofS is that you will succumb and die horribly. And if you don't STFU about the scamcult you will be made to regret it... And here's your freeloader bill, as the first step to ruin you utterly. Add to this that many are labelled SP's and they actually believe that as a diagnosis.
I think most scilons who leave are pretty devastated by this. Many actually pay that freeloader bill.. I did.. Some reconcile themselves with being evil incarnate.. I did... Some do an EOC.. I didn't as you can tell.
Those of them who start posting here want to talk. They're here in defiance of yet more cult conditioning talking to a buch of SPs... They need to talk.. They may think they need to get us all to do our A to E's. They may defend 'the tech' and tell us about their wins. They may feed us OSA's shore stories like a damned record player...
That's all residual conditioning..
The point is that they are here talking.. I've seen people change from cult think to reason more than a few times in this board.
Why do I even try to understand this? - Those of you who read my story will know that I never came close to 'applying' scn in any shape or form after I ran away... But believe me! I was very much mindbent for 10 years after. Didn't talk to anybody though.. There was no internet for me then.
As I percieve things right now, the FZ is a reform movement, a splinter group, or several, to CoS. These splintergroups are made up of people who got on the wrong side of CoS in some way. They left disgusted or was kicked out with CoS's usual good wishes for their future (scathing sarcasm).
Those who left disgusted: The disgust is mostly about the 'Admin tech', which in principle is every bit as 'sacred' as 'The Tech' inside CofS. However, the resulting mental terror and impossible conditions for living causes a lot of people to leave. Some of these people retain a belief in the mental therapy (Dianetics, OT, auditing)... Well, that's the mental conditioning they received, but I'll ignore that for the time being and pretend it's their own choice. They are convinced that it is!
Those kicked out: They too might still believe in the 'tech'.
But any way you look at it, these people are on their way out of the mindbending circus. (Unless they jump back in. Some do!)
Speaking of conditioning.. Cult think, hypnosis, mesmerized or being brainwashed.. The loving parting greetings from CofS is that you will succumb and die horribly. And if you don't STFU about the scamcult you will be made to regret it... And here's your freeloader bill, as the first step to ruin you utterly. Add to this that many are labelled SP's and they actually believe that as a diagnosis.
I think most scilons who leave are pretty devastated by this. Many actually pay that freeloader bill.. I did.. Some reconcile themselves with being evil incarnate.. I did... Some do an EOC.. I didn't as you can tell.
Those of them who start posting here want to talk. They're here in defiance of yet more cult conditioning talking to a buch of SPs... They need to talk.. They may think they need to get us all to do our A to E's. They may defend 'the tech' and tell us about their wins. They may feed us OSA's shore stories like a damned record player...
That's all residual conditioning..
The point is that they are here talking.. I've seen people change from cult think to reason more than a few times in this board.
Why do I even try to understand this? - Those of you who read my story will know that I never came close to 'applying' scn in any shape or form after I ran away... But believe me! I was very much mindbent for 10 years after. Didn't talk to anybody though.. There was no internet for me then.
That's reassuring to hear Terril... I do hope that you are right. Still, I'll persist that you FZ'ers need to watch it closely. CofS went bad despite the scientologists good intentions. Fact is that the good intentioned scientologists went bad themselves, without them noticing... Almost works like the 'bank' as teached by Hubbard.
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SchwimmelPuckel
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Besides.. Those conspiracy theories that were proposed re. Roans banning.. They were really lame!
Ok, you're all excused for being naive about stuff like this. I realize that I have an advantage from having been in the GO..
However.. Those weren't conspiracy theories.. THIS is a conspiracy theory:
Roan is Thor himself! - He banned himself to make it appear that the FZ had infiltrated ESMB on executive level and incite a giant brawl about it.
You need to have GO or OSA experience to recognize these shenanigans!
Ok, you're all excused for being naive about stuff like this. I realize that I have an advantage from having been in the GO..
However.. Those weren't conspiracy theories.. THIS is a conspiracy theory:
Roan is Thor himself! - He banned himself to make it appear that the FZ had infiltrated ESMB on executive level and incite a giant brawl about it.
You need to have GO or OSA experience to recognize these shenanigans!
Free to shine
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Besides.. Those conspiracy theories that were proposed re. Roans banning.. They were really lame!
Ok, you're all excused for being naive about stuff like this. I realize that I have an advantage from having been in the GO..
However.. Those weren't conspiacy theories.. THIS is a conspiracy theory:
Roan is Thor himself! - He banned himself to make it appear that the FZ had infiltrated ESMB on executive level and incite a giant brawl about it.
You need to have GO or OSA experience to recognize these shenanigans!
OMG I nearly fell off my chair laughing! (Maybe because I was GO too.) Long live the Danish SP! 
That is probably the most covert & disgusting posts I've ever read.
Yet some people actually bought it.
I didn't. I actually read it properly.
How disappointing.
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