ESMB Poster "David Mayo"

[Magoo]

Chuck wrote:

Sure, that's fine. Record it in writing or video or CD. Keep it to yourself, or with trusted person(s). and put it in your will to have it sent to researchers, multiple is better, after you've croaked.

Once this generation that interacted with LRH and worked in the top ranks are gone, that's it, the details will be lost. I suggest all with firsthand info
interview each other, people of similar experiences, so they flush the details out of each other, onto video DVDs or audio CDs, whatever they want to do.
There are things like Skype that has a record audio feature to record Skype video conversations, perfect for video conversation recordings.

I favor people of the same era and time period and who lived the same organizational time periods, to interview each other on camera, even if computer camera, over a distance.

Gagged people just need to be discreet. Keep all their recordings and writings to themselves, have their wills state to send their history writings to researchers of their choice, etc., when they croak, and put time requirements, like X number of years from now to make it public, or no time limits to share the info after they've croaked.

I've said this for years---I agree, 100%. Either write it, or speak it into a tape recorder, and lock it up, and yes, put it into your wills---with whom it should go to. That's the key there, as many don't trust too many, and often only those around their own ages. One does need to make sure these stories *are* noted down and protected.

I recently lived through something like this with a few friends. One was Alan Walter---who knew EVERYTHING re "The Mission Holder's Conference". I kept telling him: "You must either write this down, OR put it on tape". Did he? I certainly did not hear of it, if he did. Ida Camburn had a few things she'd promised me, also. I miss both of them, greatly.

Once gone...they are gone. Sorry----gone. Few people actually plan on dieing. Sadly, we all do. Record it, please.
It IS a history into itself....that is actually quite a m a z i n g ..when u hear some of "it" first hand.

I think this *is* a project into itself---as many of those who are 'gagged' are not on this message board. Hopefully this message will get passed around.
Thankfully, David Mayo has put much on videos. No doubt there is *tons* more that I hope you, and Julie, take time to record, also, and lock up--safely.

Keep history recorded~!

Tory/Magoo
www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044

 

[JohnnyRUClear]

What Magoo says. ^^^^^

Case studies of large-scale demonstrations of how human nature works are valuable for future research and wisdom-gleaning, and a case study like this is a rarity. This cult is like a giant vampirical creature, spread out across decades, its anatomy observable to anyone who wants to look. However, the testimony of those who became part of it adds richness of understanding impossible to simply deduce from the outside. If you know it, RECORD IT.


Thanks. :wink2:

 

[GLH]

Clarification for David

And if people are desperate to talk to their space cooties, or think that there are space cooties, that would bother me immensely. IT IS NOT WHAT I INTENDED nor what I expected. That is a misconception.

So what did you intend? I thought this was the process of AA4,5.... Can you clarify.
Thanks

 

[Julie Mayo]

Causality

Yes, thanks Julie. I have read the influences program, the identity program, and the postulates program as they were written in the journals of metapsychology. They were relatively simple, straight-forward, and looked complete. Those programs are currently not in use within that framework, which was one of the reasons I made sure I got copies of those journals: I wanted that stuff! The "evidence base" for their successful outcome is not there, as is the case with the majority of procedures in use, excepting traumatic incident reduction. I don't pretend procedures that don't have this basis are scientific, but I do maintain that they are philosophically consistent.

It is very good that you CAN talk about these things here.

I look forward to more posts from you. Please don't take any of the paranoid speculative fantasy that I engage in from time to time as an actual accusation of either you or David. I'm a staunch supporter of what I've seen in writing from David and now, yourself.

Only Nixon could go to China.

I'm a metapsychology facilitator, trained long after you and David had ceased working with them. I don't speak for applied metapsychology or traumatic incident reduction association, and I suspect I may be severely stretching the patience of its current administration or other founding writers by participating in this manner, given that they (some of them?) are likely also bound by gag orders and would prefer if the shadow of the scientology history would never be reified. What is, is.

BTW, I agree with you about the possible severe warping effect of watching a movie, or a book, even though those things never happened to you, personally. A good horror movie can get the old fear reflexes in high gear, creating an environment where the setting is ripe for PTSD phenomena. The same is true for a book like "The Shining", or "Jaws", or "Cujo". Very fun reads, but possible to cause lingering associations that you'd normally think could only be created by an actual shark attack, etc. There are other scenarios, where a movie is very sad, or about a very heavily "charged" subject, such as incest, etc., that can actually cause "missed withhold" phenomena, or the whole range of other reactions to "charge".

Thanks again for the thought-provoking post.

Nice to make your acquaintance. We are looking forward to some lively discussions with you concerning Causality in the future.

We are a little tied up in other things at the moment. Personal, perhaps more mundane, projects that need our attention such as our organic garden. You leave it for a moment and certain aspects of it, like the weeds, think they can do a complete takeover. Life is so dynamic.

 

[uniquemand]

Nice to make your acquaintance. We are looking forward to some lively discussions with you concerning Causality in the future.

We are a little tied up in other things at the moment. Personal, perhaps more mundane, projects that need our attention such as our organic garden. You leave it for a moment and certain aspects of it, like the weeds, think they can do a complete takeover. Life is so dynamic.

Excellent!

As I understand it, OT 48 is Cause over Tomatoes.

 

[thetanic]

We are a little tied up in other things at the moment. Personal, perhaps more mundane, projects that need our attention such as our organic garden. You leave it for a moment and certain aspects of it, like the weeds, think they can do a complete takeover. Life is so dynamic.

We are also avid organic gardeners. We've gone to some seminars to help us improve our biointensive technique (our composting still needs help, but we'll get it right eventually) and find "How to Grow More Vegetables" a really wonderful guide.

 

[Gottabrain]

We are also avid organic gardeners. We've gone to some seminars to help us improve our biointensive technique (our composting still needs help, but we'll get it right eventually) and find "How to Grow More Vegetables" a really wonderful guide.

I've learned a few good, old-fashioned organic tricks.

Corn - just before the husk opens, put a couple of drops of corn oil in it at the top and rubber-band it. It will still fully ripen naturally (the tiny threads are what require the sun for the corn to ripen), but it keeps the pests out.

Marigolds - planted strategically near veges, their scent acts as a natural pesticide.

Small petri dishes of beer around the veges. Snails are attracted to the beer and drown in it.

 

[thetanic]

Nasturtiums are also good for interplanting and pest control. We don't really have a snail problem, fortunately.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

... Small petri dishes of beer around the veges. Snails are attracted to the beer and drown in it.

Land turtles are good also. The love escargot. But you can't use any snail poisons and have to flush out any residuals if they have been used in the past.


Mark A. Baker

 

[VaD]

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[Jachs]

Keep history recorded~!

^^^What chuck and Magoo said.^^^

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Chuck wrote:



I've said this for years---I agree, 100%. Either write it, or speak it into a tape recorder, and lock it up, and yes, put it into your wills---with whom it should go to. That's the key there, as many don't trust too many, and often only those around their own ages. One does need to make sure these stories *are* noted down and protected.

I recently lived through something like this with a few friends. One was Alan Walter---who knew EVERYTHING re "The Mission Holder's Conference". I kept telling him: "You must either write this down, OR put it on tape". Did he? I certainly did not hear of it, if he did. Ida Camburn had a few things she'd promised me, also. I miss both of them, greatly.

Once gone...they are gone. Sorry----gone. Few people actually plan on dieing. Sadly, we all do. Record it, please.
It IS a history into itself....that is actually quite a m a z i n g ..when u hear some of "it" first hand.

I think this *is* a project into itself---as many of those who are 'gagged' are not on this message board. Hopefully this message will get passed around.
Thankfully, David Mayo has put much on videos. No doubt there is *tons* more that I hope you, and Julie, take time to record, also, and lock up--safely.

Keep history recorded~!

Tory/Magoo
www.youtube.com/ToryMagoo44
Burbank, CA
(818) 588-3044

Bump for posterity! It's oral history folks!!! Tell it somewhere, everybody!

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I've learned a few good, old-fashioned organic tricks.

Corn - just before the husk opens, put a couple of drops of corn oil in it at the top and rubber-band it. It will still fully ripen naturally (the tiny threads are what require the sun for the corn to ripen), but it keeps the pests out.

Marigolds - planted strategically near veges, their scent acts as a natural pesticide.

Small petri dishes of beer around the veges. Snails are attracted to the beer and drown in it.

Feverfew does the same thing...plus it's a lovely plant and a nice useable herb.

We're all on the same page here...our record winter rainfall left a record bumper crop of weeds...
...plus my yard has truned into gopher city! But I'm leaving that to the cats to sort out...

Had five baby skunks tumbling over one another like kittens in the garden recently, so cute!

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Feverfew does the same thing...plus it's a lovely plant and a nice useable herb.

We're all on the same page here...our record winter rainfall left a record bumper crop of weeds...
...plus my yard has truned into gopher city! But I'm leaving that to the cats to sort out...

Had five baby skunks tumbling over one another like kittens in the garden recently, so cute!

Gawd I Just Luvs Baby Skunks! So trusting and cute with magnificent tails! The "smell sack" hasn't developed yet.

They're so much like Us...cute, innocent and, eventually, full of foul odor when threatened and afraid.

Face

 

[SweetnessandLight]

I don't really mind the smell!

Gawd I Luvs Baby Skunks! So trusting and cute with magnificent tails! The "smell sack" hasn't developed yet.

They're so much like Us...cute, innocent and, eventually, full of foul odor when threatened and afraid.

Face

Yep! These just stamp their feet a bit at anything that moves suddenly and scares them...I'm talking to them and socializing them a bit, just so I won't get sprayed some dark night in the future...when I accidently water one with the hose (it's happened!).

("Hi skunkies, I live here too! Don't be scared now, I'm not gonna hurt you...aren't you cute! What pretty tails you have..."`~~~my neighbors must think I'm nuts if they can hear me!)

They act just like puppies or kittens with each other...so cute!

 

[Julie Mayo]

Organic gardening

We are also avid organic gardeners. We've gone to some seminars to help us improve our biointensive technique (our composting still needs help, but we'll get it right eventually) and find "How to Grow More Vegetables" a really wonderful guide.

Organic gardening is a huge subject. We are very new to it and still learning. There is much to know about which plants repel certain insects and attract beneficial ones, which plants attract bees, composting, and so on.

It is a great deal of work but I have to say I find it tremendously rewarding to be able to go into the garden and eat home grown fruits and veggies that are pesticide free that we have nurtured.

 

[Julie Mayo]

Organic gardening

I've learned a few good, old-fashioned organic tricks.

Corn - just before the husk opens, put a couple of drops of corn oil in it at the top and rubber-band it. It will still fully ripen naturally (the tiny threads are what require the sun for the corn to ripen), but it keeps the pests out.

Marigolds - planted strategically near veges, their scent acts as a natural pesticide.

Small petri dishes of beer around the veges. Snails are attracted to the beer and drown in it.

I hadn't heard about the corn tip. Thanks.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Hi Julie,

We are lucky enough to have a huge garden in our back yard that is part of the community.
There are dues paid by members who grow their vegetables. There are a lot of veggie farmers. Nothing exotic though. It is very pretty in the spring.

About the 2 minute mark. Flower and veggie garden behind the historic elementary school built in 1929. Back of our house.

I took these photos of the garden and uploaded them into an automovie thru Windows Live. It's 2010 and not 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XeEYXJsPYM&feature=player_detailpage

 

[Julie Mayo]

Community gardens

Hi Julie,

We are lucky enough to have a huge garden in our back yard that is part of the community.
There are dues paid by members who grow their vegetables. There are a lot of veggie farmers. Nothing exotic though. It is very pretty in the spring.

About the 2 minute mark. Flower and veggie garden behind the historic elementary school built in 1929. Back of our house.

I took these photos of the garden and uploaded them into an automovie thru Windows Live. It's 2010 and not 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XeEYXJsPYM&feature=player_detailpage

Very, very nice. I love community gardens. You are lucky to have one so close. Do you have a plot in this one and grow your own? (Or, how does it work?)

 

[Hatshepsut]

Oh, I didn't notice you came on. We had corn and radishes and tomatoes and squash and beans. This year we just have tomatoes and peppers. We pay only per the size plots we want. Sometimes we squeeze everything into a little square for 70 dollars per summer. Mom is getting old. Me too.

I love fresh veggies. We are next to a huge farmers market. You wouldn't know it but stinky old steel mill town Cleveland used to be a greenhouse capital of the Midwest. Go figure. The old greenhouses are everywhere. You could change those into a nightclub so easily. The wind here goes 90 miles an hour for no reason. There would be some repairs.