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Ex-member of the CoS- Brian Cox

Tell that to Brian who posted about "dodging bullets". Nobody wants to be told what to think. Nobody. It's just rude.

You know...(and I'm not pointing fingers at ANYBODY here,) I do just want to point out that some people REALLY ARE delusional. :biggrin:

That's not a slur on their character, it's an accurate description of their mental state of functioning! :yes:

Fortunately, it's usually not a permanent state of being, even for folks who are seriously disabled by it! :thumbsup:
 
Re: Role?

Geez.

All cars are cars, just like any other car. But, then there are Kias and there are BMWs. They are not "all the same". Except to a mind that is incapable of differentiating.

Can anyone say "generality"? (/me shakes head sadly ... ah fill-in-the-blank...)

Contributors vary greatly in terms of what they do, how they do it, and HOW WELL they do it. :duh:

Some people recognize that . . . and some don't.

Veda is a contributor like any other contributor, in the most abstract and general sense, but also he is very unique in what he does and how he does it. I don't see that there is any other person here who does what he does, as well as he does it. His frequent "public service announcements" delineating the history and details of Hubbard's mind-fuck can be valuable to many lurkers and also to people who have been around for awhile. He fulfills a need that few others do.

Equality is a nice idea - but it doesn't exist in reality. To make things equal one must ignore all the many real differences and climb up the ladder of abstraction - to vague generalities.

LOL!!! (Picturing Veda as a Beemer!!!) :biggrin:

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He told me..."interesting. That's a pretty high level... But shouldn't do anything harmful for a short period. Tell me how it goes. "

I was on it for about 3 weeks I think. As I've said... It went great.

Brian...other people have been on it for MUCH LONGER...like NINE months!!! :no:
 
The simplest form of Reverse Auditing consists primarily of deliberately committed GAEs (Gross Auditing Errors). Simple things which can snarl the case of a Believer. eg. Wrong Items, Incidents restimulated but unflattened, Eval & Inval of PC data etc basically the whole gamut of what would be GAEs in auditing. For a real world demonstration of such ask a "Recovery Team" to visit and refuse to be handled. This will usually, at the very least, leave you with the impression that the only solution is more auditing.
They'd "rather have you dead than incapable". :omg:

There are many other methods of Reverse Processing; deliberately enlivening masses, restimulative imagery and language, calling charged items and terminals from Upper Level materials at people (as in the infamous R6 Mission handling of a US-based Squirrel Group), deliberately missing withholds etc. Someone once wrote about having a C/S ordering them to go to a location and "flow cancerous BTs" at a particular person (it's here on ESMB, I think) and so forth. Basically, anything a good auditor would never do to a PC is grist to that particular mill.

Yes, Hubbard was blowhard who liked to scare people and a lot of it is "control by fear" but it's quite obvious, at least to me, that the tech of Dianetics and Scientology can be (and is) easily tailored to suit evil purposes. It seems to me that it is possibly only effective on people who firmly believe in the "Power of the Tech". People who have a firm belief in their ability to control their own minds aren't too likely to be harmed by these methods. YMMV.

That explanation is a pretty good start.

Gadfly's assertion that all Scientology is reverse Scientology, or words to that effect, would seem to contradict his own statement in the 'Good things in Scientology' thread.

OK, here's another one.

Locationals.

A "locational" is any process whereby a person's attention is directed out and about the environment.

Now, Hubbard says a great deal of stupid shit about locationals, but the basic idea and the practice gets great results.

Back in 1977 I was driving with my brother in the country. He wasn't feeling good and had a headache. I pulled the car over, and walked out along a lake. I told him that I was going to do a little drill to help him. For about twenty minutes I gently directed his attention to different things.

Look at the tip of that tree.

Look at that bird.

Look at that tree stump.

Look at that cloud.


-snip-

There's no doubt that Hubbard wanted to convey the idea that Dianetics and Scientology were tremendously powerful forces for good, and that, if used in "Black" or "Reverse" fashion, could be tremendously powerful forces for bad.

That hyperbole aside, I think Hubbard wanted people to be under his influence and control, but to functional well enough to be able to serve him.

Only in extreme cases would it be necessary to completely and permanently destroy a person. The ideal was a happy complaint follower, who would have "VGIs" on Hubbard's pronouncements, and be useful to Hubbard.

Here's some background, in additional to the background already recently added to this thread:

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Old timer John Sanborn, the editor of many of Hubbard's early books, said this during a 1986 interview:

Sara was a lovely woman. She was intelligent. She was quite young. I suppose she was around 24, and Hubbard was around 40. She had an aristocratic look...

Early on (before the divorce) he [Hubbard] made this stupid attempt to get Sara brainwashed so she'd do what he said. He kept her sitting up in a chair, denying her sleep, trying to use Black Dianetic principles on her, repeating over and over again whatever he wanted her to do. Things like, 'Be his wife, have a family that looks good, not have a divorce'.

And here's a re-post from a thread called 'Scientology = White Scientology and Black Scientology':


The clarion call amongst the Independent Scientologists is that Miscavige has "reversed Scientology" and is using "Black Dianetics," and "Reverse" or "Black Scientology."

In the 'Technical Dictionary', 'Black Dianetics' is defined as "1. Hypnotism 2. There are those who, to control, resort to narcotics, suggestion, gossip, slander - and thousands of overt and covert ways that can be classified as Black Dianetics."

And yet, examining Scientology, it appears, since its inception, that Hubbard carefully constructed Scientology to be a mixture of both its "white" and "black" aspects, and that this mixture is, and always has been, Scientology.

This is a cover of a 1968 edition of a Scientology book.

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It features an image from what Hubbard believed to be a super-engram from 75 million years ago. During this super-engram, what Hubbard called "R6 Bank" images were "implanted" in the minds of billions of humans and human spirits.

All other Scientology books had similar images placed on their covers, and these images were to induce a state of hypnotic suggestion over anyone looking at these book covers, causing them to buy and read the book, and to obey its instructions, notably to contact their local "Org."

The best known hypnotic image is the "exploding volcano" on 'DMSMH':

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Below is the Children's Security Check of 1961. It inundates children - six and up - with questions about bad things that they, supposedly, did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMmnBXcYN9Q

Imagine subjecting a six or eight year old child to such questioning.

(Note: Children older than 12 would be subjected to the adult Security Check Question list.)

Is the Children's Security Check of 1961 "Reverse Scientology"?

And then there's Hubbard 'What to Audit' (later renamed 'History of Man') of 1952, where HUbbard tells Scientologists that, "This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillions years."

Isn't that suggestion? Isn't that 'Black Dianetics" or "Black Scientology"?

And there are many more examples.

How long will it take for the Independent Scientologists to recognize that Scientology is a mix of both "white" and "black" - carefully, deliberately, step by step, over many years, fashioned by L. Ron Hubbard to achieve his hidden agenda?


It isn't always as blatant as What to Audit's "This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillion years," or the Clearing Course, OT 2, and OT 3, where the content of the person's mind and/or space is told to him, or her, by Hubbard through the OT materials.

Sometimes, it's more subtle.

Using the old glue analogy, IMO, Scientology, as designed by its founder, consists of two main aspects: the solvent ("truth," "abreaction"/catharsis/"key-out" etc.), and the lacquer (the sea of words, half truths, falsehoods, smoke and mirrors, gimmicks, tricks, manipulation, etc.)

In the proper ratio, these combine to make a mind-glue that sticks a person to Scientology. Currently, Miscavige has screwed up the ratio of solvent and lacquer with too much lacquer and not enough solvent. (Without solvent, glue doesn't "work.")

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Usually, Scientologists can grasp the notion that "Black Scientology" might be used on "Suppressive Persons," but not the idea that Scientology's founder used "Black Scientology" on his own loyal followers. This is difficult to explain to Scientologists, since Scientology (Hubbard's teachings and "applied philosophy") is regarded as a "gift" from Hubbard for their benefit. Yet Scientology, as crafted by Hubbard, is a devious mix of "Black" and "White" Scientology.

Currently, about as far as "Independent" and "FreeZone" Scientologists can venture is to assert that corporate Scientology's current leader, David Miscavige, uses "Black Scientology." Beyond that, things become foggy for them.

In his confidential writings, Hubbard taught that Scientology's enemies should be subjected to "enemy tactics," and to the various mechanisms of the mind (and "reactive mind"), and Hubbard, in writings and lectures, would sometimes describe these and, on a few occasions, even warn the wide eyed and eager Scientologists that some evil force (not him of course, but the communists, Nazis, psychiatrists, etc.) could use Scientology to enslave - such is "the power the tech, :eyeroll:" etc. FZ and Indy Scientologists are fond of quoting these warnings. This, while remaining subject to many of the manipulative ideas and methods woven into Scientology by its founder.

Here are a few examples. There are many.

L. Ron Hubbard described himself as "Mankind's Greatest Friend," etc., so his writings and comments about "aberrative mechanisms" and "enemy tactics" never came across as a warning about himself. If anything, it made others more inclined to trust him.

For example, in Dianetics, what's "aberrative"? Something that equates to "survival." The "held down 7s" are "aberrative" because they're identified with the person's survival. "Survival," as a "mechanism" becomes "aberrative."

Even in 1950, Dianetics was presented as being a "race with the atomic bomb." The message was plain enough: Dianetics = Survival. No Dianetics = Doom.

And this continued into Scientology. One of many examples: In 1956, Hubbard wrote, "With Man now equipped with weapons sufficient to destroy all Mankind and Earth... The primary race on Earth is... the one being run between Scientology and the atomic bomb."

Yet, how many Scientologists read Hubbard's descriptions of Dianetics and Scientology as essential for Mankind's "Survival!" - and their own "Survival" - and thought, "Oh, Ron's using the 'Survival mechanism' to manipulate me"?

Another example from 1950 Dianetics is the "ally computation." Someone comes out of the blue and helps another person, helps the other person in some way or other. The "help" could be indifferently offered, or insincerely offered, but if the needy person regards it as aiding in his "Survival!" (or well being, or the alleviation of pain or the attainment of pleasure or relief), then (so the theory goes) the "ally" mechanism is in place and in effect. For example, an uncle, who may not be a particularly nice fellow, gets his little nephew a glass of water when that nephew is sick in bed and thirsty. The uncle (in the mind of the little nephew) becomes an "ally," and the uncle become identified with "Survival!"

Now, who would have thought that "Mankind's Greatest Friend," on whom the "Survival!" of Mankind, and the "Survival!" of each person (Scientologists, through Ron's "Bridge") depended, would use the "ally computation" and the "Survival mechanism" in order to deceive, manipulate, and exploit? Nah, that could never happen.

However, it did happen, and not only years later, but sometimes the same day, or previous to Hubbard mentioning a deceptive, manipulative or destructive mechanism or tactic.

But it was disguised, and so wasn't recognized. Hubbard's warnings about the race between Dianetics or/and Scientology and the atomic bomb were regarded by Scientologists as warnings by their, and Mankind's, #1 "ally," L. Ron Hubbard. Who amongst Scientologists suspected? Yet, the warning noted above - from 1956 - was less than a year after Hubbard had published, and distributed, his fake "Russian Psychopolitics textbook" http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg (which of course denounced Dianetics), a "textbook" that, amongst the haughty "Russian Commie"-sounding rhetoric, and a few brief references to psychiatrists practicing sex with their (unconscious) patients, "Pain-Drug-Hypnosis," shock treatment, lobotomies, etc., was a compendium of enemy ("Russian Communist") ideas and practices for "asserting and maintaining dominion over thoughts and loyalties."

From Hubbard's "Russian Textbook":

"The failure of Psychopolitics might well bring about the atomic bombing of the Motherland. The psychopolitical operative must succeed for his success means world peace... The end thoroughly justifies the means."

Even "Survival!" - used to manipulate - was mentioned in the fake "Russian Textbook":

"It is pointed out in many early Russian writings that this is a survival mechanism. It [the "Survival!" mechanism] has already been well and thoroughly used in the survival of Communism."

Hubbard's 1955 "Russian Textbook" was loaded with manipulative and exploitative ideas and practices, many of which were being used on Scientologists themselves - used on them by their "Greatest Friend" and ally, L. Ron Hubbard - ideas and practices which were, ultimately, from the 1960s onward, formally incorporated, by Hubbard, into Scientology doctrine and practice.

Yet, who suspected? Yet, it was right there. And because it was right there it was unthinkable.
 
I still think it is all bullhit.
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And, auditing a person without proper food or sleep, while certainly "out-tech" is NOT any sort of black dianetics that will turn them into shrieking madmen.

I think that is the essence of "Black Dianetics", and what it shares with more commonly known techniques that interrogators and "re-education camp" staff use to break a person.

Lack of sleep and proper food over an extended period of time.

Forcing the person to "self criticize" and be focused on (even trivial) things he did wrong.

3) CRITICISM AND SELF-CRITICISM - The subjects are supposed to feel uncertain; under the constant threat of being humiliated and despised.

In the Korean War the "criticism and self-criticism" sessions held for the American prisoners of war by the Chinese clearly had deeper effects than the POWs could initially comprehend, and when they found out, it was too late. In the beginning many prisoners found this whole procedure just childish, and were inclined to take it merely as something of a joke, but without them being able to realize it, the situation of being subjected constantly to the criticism of one's comrades became humiliating.

That a grown-up person should publicly discuss one's habits or inclinations -- some of them of very private nature -- confess one's faults, receive strong criticism for insignificant misdemeanours, will not be indeed in the course of time anything to be considered childish or playful: it simply will be experienced as insulting. This continuing feeling of humiliation became crucial in the gradual psychological break-up of the prisoners' personalities. Furthermore, this ongoing process of "criticism and self-criticism" was bound to cause mistrust for one's own comrades: it was the tactics of "divide and conquer" as the ancient Romans would have called it. ("Criticism and self-criticism" were also widely applied during China's "Cultural Revolution" starting in 1966, as a method of "re-education".)
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Techniques exist to manipulate and break the person's will, and are in common use in society. Lawyers use manipulation/hypnotic techniques in the courtroom. Advertisers constantly use manipulation. Totalitarian governments practice techniques on people who don't cooperate. I'm currently reading a book ("Pimp" by Iceberg Slim), where (among other things) he discusses the techniques he used over 24 years as a pimp to break the will of his women.
 
DB I've been meaning to ask you for a while. What do the colons mean?

Oh they are just spacers.
I didn't like to write from the very top of the post entry box. I think I tried to just hit the "entry" key a couple of times to leave a bit of space at the top of my text, just for my aesthetic taste. But doing it that way didn't seem to work. The text would automatically go to the top of the entry box. There is no problem once some text has been written as in....

this example. It sounds like I am talking rubbish doesn't it? I am sure that this is what was happening. It may also have happened after transition to the new server thingy.
 
Gadfly's assertion that all Scientology is reverse Scientology, or words to that effect, would seem to contradict his own statement in the 'Good things in Scientology' thread.

Not at all. Things change their characteristics and traits depending on whether you look closely or from afar. Relationships and patterns CHANGE as you zoom in or zoom out.

From the larger viewpoint, from the widest general view, Scientology was developed and acts to entrap people. There are good ideas and useful practices within the larger subject, but in the end, the overall result is still entrapment.

The view of white magick is to help and empower people. The aim of black magick is to manipulate, control and do ANYTHING to serve ones own personal desires and wants.

The overall aim of Scientology was/is to manipulate and trap people for Hubbard's personal gratification. It is ALL "reverse" - from the larger perspective.

Dianetics and Scientology processes serve as cogs in the larger system that work towards further ignorance and further entrapment of any mind.

I like how Panda explained it. I also like how Enthetan said it. I suspect that those two ideas together most closely approximates the truth about this.

Various aspects of Scientology often work because you BELIEVE that there is power and effectiveness to the subject. I am not talking about simple auditing. For example, if you believe that Scientology is the ONLY way out of the trap, and that you will die endless horrible deaths if you fail to go up the Bridge, then a reg has a MUCH better chance of getting money from you through the use of "hard sell tech" tactics. But, if you don't believe it, then the techniques are useless - they won't have any effect on you. The tech often works - but ONLY on a believer. That is why indoctrination is so vital in Scientology.

If your "reality" is too far away from the Scientology paradigm, then ARC trickery and manipulation cannot work on you. The "ruin-finding drill" very much "works" if you believe in the efficacy of Scientology, but not so much if you don't.

I have heard it said that Voodoo only works on those who believe in the power and efficacy of Voodoo.

Same thing here. Within a context of a firm believer, yes "black" Scientology or Dianetics may "work". But also, the THREAT of such a thing is probably FAR MORE powerful to a believer than the actual thing. The believer imbues the idea with power (over him or her).

Hubbard implied that thetans in good shape could knock off hats at fifty feet - and some believed it.

Hubbard said or implied that he could create ANY mental illness at will through the use of "reverse processes" - and some believe it.

Both statements are gross exaggerations.

Now, there is no doubt that Hubbard tried to use his knowledge of the mind at times to specifically cave people in. When some OSA dupe walks up to a protester, and then yells confidential PC folder data at him or her to upset and key him or her in, well, that might be viewed as "reverse" use of Scientology. Sending PIs after people, to shadow their every move, can act to make a person paranoid. It can upset the mind. Scientology will happily act to destroy the mind and life of another if it views him or her as threats to their survival and success.

There is no doubt that in some cases Scientology data is used in an attempt to upset, hurt, or cave in other people. This can usually only be effective on True Believers who still exist within the cult. I simply wouldn't call it "black" or "reverse". It is just more Scientology doing what Scientology does.
 
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Not at all. Things change their characteristics and traits depending on whether you look closely or from afar. Relationships and patterns CHANGE as you zoom in or zoom out.

From the larger viewpoint, from the widest general view, Scientology was developed and acts to entrap people. There are good ideas and useful practices within the larger subject, but in the end, the overall result is still entrapment.

The view of white magick is to help and empower people. The aim of black magick is to manipulate, control and do ANYTHING to serve ones own personal desires and wants.

The overall aim of Scientology was/is to manipulate and trap people for Hubbard's personal gratification. It is ALL "reverse" - from the larger perspective.

Dianetics and Scientology processes serve as cogs in the larger system that work towards further ignorance and further entrapment of any mind.

I like how Panda explained it. I also like how Enthetan said it. I suspect that those two ideas together most closely approximates the truth about this.

Various aspects of Scientology often work because you BELIEVE that there is power and effectiveness to the subject. I am not talking about simple auditing. For example, if you believe that Scientology is the ONLY way out of the trap, and that you will die endless horrible deaths if you fail to go up the Bridge, then a reg has a MUCH better chance of getting money from you through the use of "hard sell tech" tactics. But, if you don't believe it, then the techniques are useless - they won't have any effect on you. The tech often works - but ONLY on a believer. That is why indoctrination is so vital in Scientology.

If your "reality" is too far away from the Scientology paradigm, then ARC trickery and manipulation cannot work on you. The "ruin-finding drill" very much "works" if you believe in the efficacy of Scientology, but not so much if you don't.

I have heard it said that Voodoo only works on those who believe in the power and efficacy of Voodoo.

Same thing here. Within a context of a firm believer, yes "black" Scientology or Dianetics may "work". But also, the THREAT of such a thing is probably FAR MORE powerful to a believer than the actual thing. The believer imbues the idea with power (over him or her).

Hubbard implied that thetans in good shape could knock off hats at fifty feet - and some believed it.

Hubbard said or implied that he could create ANY mental illness at will through the use of "reverse processes" - and some believe it.

Both statements are gross exaggerations.

Now, there is no doubt that Hubbard tried to use his knowledge of the mind at times to specifically cave people in. When some OSA dupe walks up to a protester, and then yells confidential PC folder data at him or her to upset and key him or her in, well, that might be viewed as "reverse" use of Scientology. Sending PIs after people, to shadow their every move, can act to make a person paranoid. It can upset the mind. Scientology will happily act to destroy the mind and life of another if it views him or her as threats to their survival and success.

There is no doubt that in some cases Scientology data is used in an attempt to upset, hurt, or cave in other people. This can usually only be effective on True Believers who still exist within the cult. I simply wouldn't call it "black" or "reverse". It is just more Scientology doing what Scientology does.

OK. :) I did a re-do, and removed the paragraph that referred to your post:

The simplest form of Reverse Auditing consists primarily of deliberately committed GAEs (Gross Auditing Errors). Simple things which can snarl the case of a Believer. eg. Wrong Items, Incidents restimulated but unflattened, Eval & Inval of PC data etc basically the whole gamut of what would be GAEs in auditing. For a real world demonstration of such ask a "Recovery Team" to visit and refuse to be handled. This will usually, at the very least, leave you with the impression that the only solution is more auditing.
They'd "rather have you dead than incapable". :omg:

There are many other methods of Reverse Processing; deliberately enlivening masses, restimulative imagery and language, calling charged items and terminals from Upper Level materials at people (as in the infamous R6 Mission handling of a US-based Squirrel Group), deliberately missing withholds etc. Someone once wrote about having a C/S ordering them to go to a location and "flow cancerous BTs" at a particular person (it's here on ESMB, I think) and so forth. Basically, anything a good auditor would never do to a PC is grist to that particular mill.

Yes, Hubbard was blowhard who liked to scare people and a lot of it is "control by fear" but it's quite obvious, at least to me, that the tech of Dianetics and Scientology can be (and is) easily tailored to suit evil purposes. It seems to me that it is possibly only effective on people who firmly believe in the "Power of the Tech". People who have a firm belief in their ability to control their own minds aren't too likely to be harmed by these methods. YMMV.

That explanation is a pretty good start.

There's no doubt that Hubbard wanted to convey the idea that Dianetics and Scientology were tremendously powerful forces for good, and that, if used in "Black" or "Reverse" fashion, could be tremendously powerful forces for bad.

That hyperbole aside, I think Hubbard wanted people to be under his influence and control, but to functional well enough to be able to serve him.

Only in extreme cases would it be necessary to completely and permanently destroy a person. The ideal was a happy complaint follower, who would have "VGIs" on Hubbard's pronouncements, and be useful to Hubbard.

Here's some background, in additional to the background already recently added to this thread:

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Old timer John Sanborn, the editor of many of Hubbard's early books, said this during a 1986 interview:

Sara was a lovely woman. She was intelligent. She was quite young. I suppose she was around 24, and Hubbard was around 40. She had an aristocratic look...

Early on (before the divorce) he [Hubbard] made this stupid attempt to get Sara brainwashed so she'd do what he said. He kept her sitting up in a chair, denying her sleep, trying to use Black Dianetic principles on her, repeating over and over again whatever he wanted her to do. Things like, 'Be his wife, have a family that looks good, not have a divorce'.

And here's a re-post from a thread called 'Scientology = White Scientology and Black Scientology':


The clarion call amongst the Independent Scientologists is that Miscavige has "reversed Scientology" and is using "Black Dianetics," and "Reverse" or "Black Scientology."

In the 'Technical Dictionary', 'Black Dianetics' is defined as "1. Hypnotism 2. There are those who, to control, resort to narcotics, suggestion, gossip, slander - and thousands of overt and covert ways that can be classified as Black Dianetics."

And yet, examining Scientology, it appears, since its inception, that Hubbard carefully constructed Scientology to be a mixture of both its "white" and "black" aspects, and that this mixture is, and always has been, Scientology.

This is a cover of a 1968 edition of a Scientology book.

lrhbook.jpg


It features an image from what Hubbard believed to be a super-engram from 75 million years ago. During this super-engram, what Hubbard called "R6 Bank" images were "implanted" in the minds of billions of humans and human spirits.

All other Scientology books had similar images placed on their covers, and these images were to induce a state of hypnotic suggestion over anyone looking at these book covers, causing them to buy and read the book, and to obey its instructions, notably to contact their local "Org."

The best known hypnotic image is the "exploding volcano" on 'DMSMH':

179166.jpg



Below is the Children's Security Check of 1961. It inundates children - six and up - with questions about bad things that they, supposedly, did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMmnBXcYN9Q

Imagine subjecting a six or eight year old child to such questioning.

(Note: Children older than 12 would be subjected to the adult Security Check Question list.)

Is the Children's Security Check of 1961 "Reverse Scientology"?

And then there's Hubbard 'What to Audit' (later renamed 'History of Man') of 1952, where HUbbard tells Scientologists that, "This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillions years."

Isn't that suggestion? Isn't that 'Black Dianetics" or "Black Scientology"?

And there are many more examples.

How long will it take for the Independent Scientologists to recognize that Scientology is a mix of both "white" and "black" - carefully, deliberately, step by step, over many years, fashioned by L. Ron Hubbard to achieve his hidden agenda?


It isn't always as blatant as What to Audit's "This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last sixty trillion years," or the Clearing Course, OT 2, and OT 3, where the content of the person's mind and/or space is told to him, or her, by Hubbard through the OT materials.

Sometimes, it's more subtle.

Using the old glue analogy, IMO, Scientology, as designed by its founder, consists of two main aspects: the solvent ("truth," "abreaction"/catharsis/"key-out" etc.), and the lacquer (the sea of words, half truths, falsehoods, smoke and mirrors, gimmicks, tricks, manipulation, etc.)

In the proper ratio, these combine to make a mind-glue that sticks a person to Scientology. Currently, Miscavige has screwed up the ratio of solvent and lacquer with too much lacquer and not enough solvent. (Without solvent, glue doesn't "work.")

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Usually, Scientologists can grasp the notion that "Black Scientology" might be used on "Suppressive Persons," but not the idea that Scientology's founder used "Black Scientology" on his own loyal followers. This is difficult to explain to Scientologists, since Scientology (Hubbard's teachings and "applied philosophy") is regarded as a "gift" from Hubbard for their benefit. Yet Scientology, as crafted by Hubbard, is a devious mix of "Black" and "White" Scientology.

Currently, about as far as "Independent" and "FreeZone" Scientologists can venture is to assert that corporate Scientology's current leader, David Miscavige, uses "Black Scientology." Beyond that, things become foggy for them.

In his confidential writings, Hubbard taught that Scientology's enemies should be subjected to "enemy tactics," and to the various mechanisms of the mind (and "reactive mind"), and Hubbard, in writings and lectures, would sometimes describe these and, on a few occasions, even warn the wide eyed and eager Scientologists that some evil force (not him of course, but the communists, Nazis, psychiatrists, etc.) could use Scientology to enslave - such is "the power the tech, :eyeroll:" etc. FZ and Indy Scientologists are fond of quoting these warnings. This, while remaining subject to many of the manipulative ideas and methods woven into Scientology by its founder.

Here are a few examples. There are many.

L. Ron Hubbard described himself as "Mankind's Greatest Friend," etc., so his writings and comments about "aberrative mechanisms" and "enemy tactics" never came across as a warning about himself. If anything, it made others more inclined to trust him.

For example, in Dianetics, what's "aberrative"? Something that equates to "survival." The "held down 7s" are "aberrative" because they're identified with the person's survival. "Survival," as a "mechanism" becomes "aberrative."

Even in 1950, Dianetics was presented as being a "race with the atomic bomb." The message was plain enough: Dianetics = Survival. No Dianetics = Doom.

And this continued into Scientology. One of many examples: In 1956, Hubbard wrote, "With Man now equipped with weapons sufficient to destroy all Mankind and Earth... The primary race on Earth is... the one being run between Scientology and the atomic bomb."

Yet, how many Scientologists read Hubbard's descriptions of Dianetics and Scientology as essential for Mankind's "Survival!" - and their own "Survival" - and thought, "Oh, Ron's using the 'Survival mechanism' to manipulate me"?

Another example from 1950 Dianetics is the "ally computation." Someone comes out of the blue and helps another person, helps the other person in some way or other. The "help" could be indifferently offered, or insincerely offered, but if the needy person regards it as aiding in his "Survival!" (or well being, or the alleviation of pain or the attainment of pleasure or relief), then (so the theory goes) the "ally" mechanism is in place and in effect. For example, an uncle, who may not be a particularly nice fellow, gets his little nephew a glass of water when that nephew is sick in bed and thirsty. The uncle (in the mind of the little nephew) becomes an "ally," and the uncle become identified with "Survival!"

Now, who would have thought that "Mankind's Greatest Friend," on whom the "Survival!" of Mankind, and the "Survival!" of each person (Scientologists, through Ron's "Bridge") depended, would use the "ally computation" and the "Survival mechanism" in order to deceive, manipulate, and exploit? Nah, that could never happen.

However, it did happen, and not only years later, but sometimes the same day, or previous to Hubbard mentioning a deceptive, manipulative or destructive mechanism or tactic.

But it was disguised, and so wasn't recognized. Hubbard's warnings about the race between Dianetics or/and Scientology and the atomic bomb were regarded by Scientologists as warnings by their, and Mankind's, #1 "ally," L. Ron Hubbard. Who amongst Scientologists suspected? Yet, the warning noted above - from 1956 - was less than a year after Hubbard had published, and distributed, his fake "Russian Psychopolitics textbook" http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg (which of course denounced Dianetics), a "textbook" that, amongst the haughty "Russian Commie"-sounding rhetoric, and a few brief references to psychiatrists practicing sex with their (unconscious) patients, "Pain-Drug-Hypnosis," shock treatment, lobotomies, etc., was a compendium of enemy ("Russian Communist") ideas and practices for "asserting and maintaining dominion over thoughts and loyalties."

From Hubbard's "Russian Textbook":

"The failure of Psychopolitics might well bring about the atomic bombing of the Motherland. The psychopolitical operative must succeed for his success means world peace... The end thoroughly justifies the means."

Even "Survival!" - used to manipulate - was mentioned in the fake "Russian Textbook":

"It is pointed out in many early Russian writings that this is a survival mechanism. It [the "Survival!" mechanism] has already been well and thoroughly used in the survival of Communism."

Hubbard's 1955 "Russian Textbook" was loaded with manipulative and exploitative ideas and practices, many of which were being used on Scientologists themselves - used on them by their "Greatest Friend" and ally, L. Ron Hubbard - ideas and practices which were, ultimately, from the 1960s onward, formally incorporated, by Hubbard, into Scientology doctrine and practice.

Yet, who suspected? Yet, it was right there. And because it was right there it was unthinkable.
 
The book covers were painted by Richard Gorman on Hubbard's instructions, in 1967.

Richard was given precise details what Hubbard wanted on each cover. I was in Ideas & Compilations in WW at the time along with Richard, John O'Keefe and Len Regenais.



The purpose of each cover was to re-stimulate the person looking at the book and trigger them into being at effect so they would buy into the whole story.

Before I joined, John, Richard and Len had compiled some articles of Hubbard and produced them as a book New Slant on Life. Needless to say, Hubbard gave no acknowledgement to them for what they had produced.


Dart
 
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Now, there is no doubt that Hubbard tried to use his knowledge of the mind at times to specifically cave people in. When some OSA dupe walks up to a protester, and then yells confidential PC folder data at him or her to upset and key him or her in, well, that might be viewed as "reverse" use of Scientology. Sending PIs after people, to shadow their every move, can act to make a person paranoid. It can upset the mind. Scientology will happily act to destroy the mind and life of another if it views him or her as threats to their survival and success.

There is no doubt that in some cases Scientology data is used in an attempt to upset, hurt, or cave in other people. This can usually only be effective on True Believers who still exist within the cult. I simply wouldn't call it "black" or "reverse". It is just more Scientology doing what Scientology does.

There is also the use of PI's to gaslight opponents, create incidents that never happened (like what they did with Paulette Cooper and the fake bomb threats), spread false rumors, and generally screw with the target's perception of reality and crank up the paranoia level.
 
The book covers were painted by Richard Gorman on Hubbard's instructions, in 1967.

Richard was given precise details what Hubbard wanted on each cover. I was in Ideas & Compilations in WW at the time along with Richard, John O'Keefe and Len Regenais.



The purpose of each cover was to re-stimulate the person looking at the book and trigger them into being at effect so they would buy into the whole story.

Before I joined, John, Richard and Len had compiled some articles of Hubbard and produced them as a book New Slant on Life. Needless to say, Hubbard gave no acknowledgement to them for what they had produced.


Dart

The interesting part was, that for Hubbard to think the book covers would be restimulative, it meant that he himself believed in the incidents.
 
Not at all. Things change their characteristics and traits depending on whether you look closely or from afar. Relationships and patterns CHANGE as you zoom in or zoom out.

From the larger viewpoint, from the widest general view, Scientology was developed and acts to entrap people. There are good ideas and useful practices within the larger subject, but in the end, the overall result is still entrapment.

The view of white magick is to help and empower people. The aim of black magick is to manipulate, control and do ANYTHING to serve ones own personal desires and wants.

The overall aim of Scientology was/is to manipulate and trap people for Hubbard's personal gratification. It is ALL "reverse" - from the larger perspective.

Dianetics and Scientology processes serve as cogs in the larger system that work towards further ignorance and further entrapment of any mind.

I like how Panda explained it. I also like how Enthetan said it. I suspect that those two ideas together most closely approximates the truth about this.

Various aspects of Scientology often work because you BELIEVE that there is power and effectiveness to the subject. I am not talking about simple auditing. For example, if you believe that Scientology is the ONLY way out of the trap, and that you will die endless horrible deaths if you fail to go up the Bridge, then a reg has a MUCH better chance of getting money from you through the use of "hard sell tech" tactics. But, if you don't believe it, then the techniques are useless - they won't have any effect on you. The tech often works - but ONLY on a believer. That is why indoctrination is so vital in Scientology.

If your "reality" is too far away from the Scientology paradigm, then ARC trickery and manipulation cannot work on you. The "ruin-finding drill" very much "works" if you believe in the efficacy of Scientology, but not so much if you don't.

I have heard it said that Voodoo only works on those who believe in the power and efficacy of Voodoo.

Same thing here. Within a context of a firm believer, yes "black" Scientology or Dianetics may "work". But also, the THREAT of such a thing is probably FAR MORE powerful to a believer than the actual thing. The believer imbues the idea with power (over him or her).

Hubbard implied that thetans in good shape could knock off hats at fifty feet - and some believed it.

Hubbard said or implied that he could create ANY mental illness at will through the use of "reverse processes" - and some believe it.

Both statements are gross exaggerations.

Now, there is no doubt that Hubbard tried to use his knowledge of the mind at times to specifically cave people in. When some OSA dupe walks up to a protester, and then yells confidential PC folder data at him or her to upset and key him or her in, well, that might be viewed as "reverse" use of Scientology. Sending PIs after people, to shadow their every move, can act to make a person paranoid. It can upset the mind. Scientology will happily act to destroy the mind and life of another if it views him or her as threats to their survival and success.

There is no doubt that in some cases Scientology data is used in an attempt to upset, hurt, or cave in other people. This can usually only be effective on True Believers who still exist within the cult. I simply wouldn't call it "black" or "reverse". It is just more Scientology doing what Scientology does.

When I reverse my car out of my driveway, it is not really in reverse. It is just moving, which is just more of what a car does. It is not black. It is just coated in paint. Am I getting it?
 
The interesting part was, that for Hubbard to think the book covers would be restimulative, it meant that he himself believed in the incidents.

or it could mean he wanted to forward his teachings, his PR.

It never re stimulated me. I always wondered why a volcano on dianetics? I could never figure it out, the significance of it.

And the other cover, people loading boxes into a ship. :confused2: I guess that is the ice cube incident. But, if a thetan has no mass, energy, space or time, how can you load a nothingness into a ice cube to be transported? :confused2:
 
or it could mean he wanted to forward his teachings, his PR.

It never re stimulated me. I always wondered why a volcano on dianetics? I could never figure it out, the significance of it.

And the other cover, people loading boxes into a ship. :confused2: I guess that is the ice cube incident. But, if a thetan has no mass, energy, space or time, how can you load a nothingness into a ice cube to be transported? :confused2:

Those are allegorical ice cubes, Gib! :biggrin:
 
The interesting part was, that for Hubbard to think the book covers would be restimulative, it meant that he himself believed in the incidents.

I think he must have.

Cameras are supposed to restimulate Facsimile 1. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Squirrel Busters strapped them to their heads when they visited Mark Rathbun.

This is Black Dianetics in action, people!!

squirrelbusters.jpg
 
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