How Dangerous is New OTVII (Solo NOTs)
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Hi Allen.
Twelve months ago, I would have rejected the concept of a "circuit being contained in a piece of theta". Then Paul Adams, DullOldFart, introduced me to Newton's book "Journey of Souls". An absolutely amazing book, which to those of you, who have not read it, it is not a religious book. Indeed it is based upon 7000 case studies. However, in it, it became clear that a soul can separate bits off itself, and it does not seem unreasonable that circuits could be contained within these bits.
I had not considered this possibility, so thank you for describing your experience.
Regards, David.
Twelve months ago, I would have rejected the concept of a "circuit being contained in a piece of theta". Then Paul Adams, DullOldFart, introduced me to Newton's book "Journey of Souls". An absolutely amazing book, which to those of you, who have not read it, it is not a religious book. Indeed it is based upon 7000 case studies. However, in it, it became clear that a soul can separate bits off itself, and it does not seem unreasonable that circuits could be contained within these bits.
I had not considered this possibility, so thank you for describing your experience.
Regards, David.
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Vinaire
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Here is how I see it:
(1) I seem to feel comfortable with the direction DOF is taking. The terms “thetan,” “operating thetan,” “body thetan,” etc. needs to be defined in a more down to earth manner. Currently there seem to be lots of connotations attached to these terms making them rather mysterious or esoteric. Until this “mysterious or esoteric aura” it taken out of these terms no real spiritual gain is possible.
(2) What is “telepathy”? What is “OT perception”? What are “THETA perceptics”? The same point in (1) above, applies to these terms as well. I spent some time doing OT II, Vipassana Meditation style and I finally realized what “direct perception” means.
(3) Take a look at the KNOW TO MYSTERY scale. The highest level of perception is “LOOK TO KNOW.” One is directly looking across a distance WITHOUT USING THE VIA OF EMOTION, EFFORT OR THINKING. If one can do that then that would amount to “direct perception.”
(4) After training on IDENICS, and then doing OT II using the simple principles that underlie IDENICS, SCIENTOLOGY, VIPASSANA MDITATION, and any and all spiritual practices, the understanding seem to boil down to an incredible simplicity.
(5) That incredible simplicity I am documenting currently with the intention of making it all freely available. The first two issues that I have put together are here:
LOOK & NOTICE
EXPERIENCE
The third issue is going to be on the subject of ATTENTION. A lot of raw data in this area is here:
http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&th=183&start=0&S=c876fd72f1da3727710ed539097dfdd6
http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&th=211&start=0&S=c876fd72f1da3727710ed539097dfdd6
http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&th=221&start=0&S=c876fd72f1da3727710ed539097dfdd6
I am already having wonderfully swift results in auditing others with these simple basics.
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Terril park
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No expert, but Alan's 'tech" considers that entities are "spiritual teamates"
that one should embrace and stay connected to. If they wish.
Vinaire
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After understanding DIRECT PERCEPTION as described above, a person can move through all Scientology processes from bottom to top very, very swiftly.
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Vinaire
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"Body thetans" or "spiritual teammates" are simply some interesting considerations.
Sit down and look at them directly per these issues:
LOOK & NOTICE
EXPERIENCE
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degraded being
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Mumbo Jumbo is more addictive than heroin or coke.
And mental short sightedness and self induced LACK of perception and insight is taken for extra abilities, extra perception; leading to wacky ego stroking explanations.
And mental short sightedness and self induced LACK of perception and insight is taken for extra abilities, extra perception; leading to wacky ego stroking explanations.
mate
Patron Meritorious
Hi Lurker5.
Thank you for a very interesting post. It reminded me of my training as a Tui Na or acupressure therapist. Many times I could sense where the problem was, and I just accepted the ability without understanding it or even reflecting on it.
As an aside, your observation about plants could be explained by a certain pine tree. I was on a meditation retreat and at this particular time I sitting on a bench under this pine tree. I had been there for about 15 minutes, when I found myself thinking about roads through a forest and it kept repeating. After a while, I got the idea that the tree was giving me a puzzle or a riddle. I solved it and thought the answer back to the tree. This was a daily experience as each time I came up with a solution, I would get another puzzle all about roads going through forests.
Then on a later retreat, there had been a bushfire (or wild fire) in the area. I mentally expressed my condolences to the tree, to which the tree replied that the souls of trees occupy more than one tree and a tree has more than one soul occupying it and that the souls are constantly moving from tree to tree. Maybe the whole experience is just my imagination, but it certainly seemed very real to me.
Sorry about the diversion.
Regards, David.
Thank you for a very interesting post. It reminded me of my training as a Tui Na or acupressure therapist. Many times I could sense where the problem was, and I just accepted the ability without understanding it or even reflecting on it.
As an aside, your observation about plants could be explained by a certain pine tree. I was on a meditation retreat and at this particular time I sitting on a bench under this pine tree. I had been there for about 15 minutes, when I found myself thinking about roads through a forest and it kept repeating. After a while, I got the idea that the tree was giving me a puzzle or a riddle. I solved it and thought the answer back to the tree. This was a daily experience as each time I came up with a solution, I would get another puzzle all about roads going through forests.
Then on a later retreat, there had been a bushfire (or wild fire) in the area. I mentally expressed my condolences to the tree, to which the tree replied that the souls of trees occupy more than one tree and a tree has more than one soul occupying it and that the souls are constantly moving from tree to tree. Maybe the whole experience is just my imagination, but it certainly seemed very real to me.
Sorry about the diversion.
Regards, David.
Hey Mate, this stuff is GOOD. I can't see auras (though I will try out what you have suggested) - but I can feel them. Without touching, because that sort of interferes, I can run my hands over a living body (animal, not so good at this with plants), and feel the energy. Where it dips, or goes 'black' and or 'cold', is where problems/tension/pain/illness exists.
I have used soft/gentle barely there non-motion touching, just finger tip pressure, ever so lightly though, to make animals feel better, to take the pain away. Think shiatsu, but with the lightest, barely there, touch.
I know this might sound something like touch assist (which I have heard of, of course, but have no knowledge of), and maybe it is like that, but it seems to work.
I have a chiropractor who can run his hands down my back, find the problem immediately, and then find the other side of it immediately too - that place that doesn't hurt until he presses into it. Magic hands that Doc, LOL. I know a massage therapist who can do something like that too, but with a different energy. And I once had a yoga teacher who just knew where to touch to gently push a body into proper position.
It takes some tuning in to the person, living being/essence. And it would probably be different for every person, some being more sensitive, some being less, and some not going to that place at all, because it might seem outside the realm of their belief system. I think of it as Chi. And depending on which senses predominate in a person, some will be attuned for it, some not. Some folks are attuned to other things.
I don't usually talk about this stuff, because some people look at it as craziness. I stumbled upon it with a pet, a sick pet, many years ago. I could walk into the room and know he wasn't feeling well - at that moment - and I'd comfort him - but it hurt him to be touched, so I had to pet and touch him without touching him - and he responded like I was touching him, only it didn't hurt him. Then I began to play with it. It truly seemed to work, and so I got interested in the phenomenon.
Good post, Mate
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RogerB
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Allen, you and I should compare notes.
Alan Walter stated that he had "all of the tech that was available in the field, and in the church" and thus, that of it which was important or useful, in his view and based on his research into it was included/encompassed in Kn.
I have virtually all of the tech released by Alan W. up until 2003 (I am one of two who actually completed his "Levels" and all related materials. So we could compare notes.
Personally, I am interested in getting the most workable tech and info made available to all. It does no one any good to be holding stuff secret. If we believe that we can attain and rehabilitate our true spiritual truths and power states, I think it is important that characters like us make known what is available and what the opportunities and any discrepancies are, so folks can pursue the options in confidence.
I don't have the time at the moment to do a full contribution to David's marvelous posts here . . . but will contribute this for the moment:
with regard to the issue of the fact that one's bodily cells are in and of themselves self determined aware entities, one guy you should/must read up on is Dr. Bruce Lipton at:
http://www.brucelipton.com/
This guy is the guy who developed the subject and made the breakthroughs . . . he is a former professor of Biology etc. etc.
I did a post on him here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=313492&highlight=Bruce+Lipton#post313492
I'll make some time to contribute to the important issues Mate has raised here tomorrow . . . hopefully
Well done , Mate!
Rog
RogerB
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Nah, not all "entities" are spiritual teammate . . . some are not friendly or on team at all, and we have specific R/Ds to handle such.
Rog
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mate
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Hi Paul.
To me the meter read simply confirms that the entity has been located. The bold section of your post describes accurately how most solo auditors proceed, and I believe it is the result of sensing where an entity is by detecting a mental interaction or consciousness.
The point about the aura is not to use it to spot entities, for the reason that the solo auditor is observing the emeter and also obviously the vast majority of the body cannot be seen by the auditor. The importance of the aura is knowing that it actually exists and how it is influenced by attached entities.
I do challenge your point (5). Cells are constantly dying and being replaced. If a solo auditor has located a cell, he/she is communicating to the cell that he/she wants it to go and will continue the process until the entity blows. I really don't see that "disharmony" is an essential part of spotting an entity.
Regards, David.
To me the meter read simply confirms that the entity has been located. The bold section of your post describes accurately how most solo auditors proceed, and I believe it is the result of sensing where an entity is by detecting a mental interaction or consciousness.
The point about the aura is not to use it to spot entities, for the reason that the solo auditor is observing the emeter and also obviously the vast majority of the body cannot be seen by the auditor. The importance of the aura is knowing that it actually exists and how it is influenced by attached entities.
I do challenge your point (5). Cells are constantly dying and being replaced. If a solo auditor has located a cell, he/she is communicating to the cell that he/she wants it to go and will continue the process until the entity blows. I really don't see that "disharmony" is an essential part of spotting an entity.
Regards, David.
Vinaire
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We have a built-in e-meter. It is made up of ATTENTION. It works best when one can LOOK WITHOUT THINKING, and EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING.
When one's attention is totally free, and one can freely place it anywhere one wishes, then it is equivalent to the condition of F/N. Any departure from this condition of F/N would be a "read." This read would manifest in the awareness of one's attention getting "fixed" or "dispersed." The phenomenon of "body thetan" is simply the awareness of such "reads."
My thesis is as follows:
UNDER ANY AREA OF NON-OPTIMUM (FIXATED OR DISPERSED) ATTENTION THERE IS SUPPRESSED DATA, WAITING TO BE DISCOVERED.
In other words, there is something waiting to be as-ised just beyond these areas that either fix or disperse one's attention.
To as-is, all one needs to do is
(1) LOOK WITHOUT THINKING and notice whatever is there
(2) EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING whatever emotion and effort comes one's way.
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When one's attention is totally free, and one can freely place it anywhere one wishes, then it is equivalent to the condition of F/N. Any departure from this condition of F/N would be a "read." This read would manifest in the awareness of one's attention getting "fixed" or "dispersed." The phenomenon of "body thetan" is simply the awareness of such "reads."
My thesis is as follows:
UNDER ANY AREA OF NON-OPTIMUM (FIXATED OR DISPERSED) ATTENTION THERE IS SUPPRESSED DATA, WAITING TO BE DISCOVERED.
In other words, there is something waiting to be as-ised just beyond these areas that either fix or disperse one's attention.
To as-is, all one needs to do is
(1) LOOK WITHOUT THINKING and notice whatever is there
(2) EXPERIENCE WITHOUT RESISTING whatever emotion and effort comes one's way.
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Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
Hey Vin, you've just described Auditing.
Regarding # 5 on Pauls (dulloldfart) post.... Maybe when we audit the cell we may be partly auditing the mitochondria. When I use the Rife machine it helps heal my hurting body parts, maybe I am just activating the mitochondria to repair the cell.
Taken from the book,Young Again, by John Thomas.
The mitochondria are "bacteria'' inhabiting the cells of all mammals. In humans, there are about 10,000 mitochondria in every cell. They were first observed through the microscope around the year 1800. However, they were not officially identified as living organisms--capable of independent existence and given a name--until approximately 1935.
The mitochondria derive their name from the Greek mitos--a thread, and chondros--a grain. These root words describe their shape--not their function. Originally, the mitochondria were thought to be artifacts (waste) or organelles (tiny bodies) within cells. Later, it was discovered that they are our SOURCE of bio-electric lightning!
Life is impossible without the mitochondria. They process our glucose sugars and produce the life-force energy molecule adenosine triphosphate (ATP)......
The mitochondria are both power generators and storage batteries and are referred to as the power house of the cell because they convert energy into metabolic electricity.
The mitochondria replicate (reproduce) on their own. This is important! They are not dependent on the host even though they reside in our cells and are influenced by the body terrain environment. They have their own DNA code..........
Taken from the book,Young Again, by John Thomas.
The mitochondria are "bacteria'' inhabiting the cells of all mammals. In humans, there are about 10,000 mitochondria in every cell. They were first observed through the microscope around the year 1800. However, they were not officially identified as living organisms--capable of independent existence and given a name--until approximately 1935.
The mitochondria derive their name from the Greek mitos--a thread, and chondros--a grain. These root words describe their shape--not their function. Originally, the mitochondria were thought to be artifacts (waste) or organelles (tiny bodies) within cells. Later, it was discovered that they are our SOURCE of bio-electric lightning!
Life is impossible without the mitochondria. They process our glucose sugars and produce the life-force energy molecule adenosine triphosphate (ATP)......
The mitochondria are both power generators and storage batteries and are referred to as the power house of the cell because they convert energy into metabolic electricity.
The mitochondria replicate (reproduce) on their own. This is important! They are not dependent on the host even though they reside in our cells and are influenced by the body terrain environment. They have their own DNA code..........
mate
Patron Meritorious
Thank Apple for the information on mitochondria. I was not aware that they exhibited bacteria-like characteristics. I knew of their function in the citric acid cycle, but nothing more. However, I haven't seen anything on bacteria and viruses exhibiting consciousness and I personally believe that it is consciousness, which is the key.
Regards David.
Regards David.
Vinaire
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I think those BTs are just "Attention Reads." One is putting too much significance there.
JUST LOOK AND EXPERIENCE.
Asking who, what, where is simply putting lot of extraneous "think" there.
If the attention is optimum, it is optimum and one doesn't need a session.
One seems to be sucked into doing OT levels by the false "mystery and promise" of super powers.
JUST DO THE USUAL WHAT BUDDHA DID.
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Vinaire
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It is normal to be fixated on the body in this MEST universe.
It is normal to be fixated on the body when it is getting old.
It is normal to be fixated on the body when it is tired, hungry and starved.
It is interesting to look at the body for knowledge sake.
Just look without thinking, and experience what is there, and the knowledge would come.
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It is normal to be fixated on the body when it is getting old.
It is normal to be fixated on the body when it is tired, hungry and starved.
It is interesting to look at the body for knowledge sake.
Just look without thinking, and experience what is there, and the knowledge would come.
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Vinaire
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Vinaire
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OT I
In my estimation, “OT I” is supposed to teach one about direct perception. The best understanding of direct perception comes from an understanding of the KNOW TO MYSTERY SCALE. In this universe, the highest level of perception is LOOKING ACROSS SPACE TO KNOW without using the additives of emotion, effort, thinking, etc. that appear lower on this scale.
So, OT I is supposed to teach about direct perception, but it adds too much significance. A much better job of teaching direct perception is done by the following two issues.
LOOK & NOTICE
EXPERIENCE
You may take a look at them. They are not confidential.
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In my estimation, “OT I” is supposed to teach one about direct perception. The best understanding of direct perception comes from an understanding of the KNOW TO MYSTERY SCALE. In this universe, the highest level of perception is LOOKING ACROSS SPACE TO KNOW without using the additives of emotion, effort, thinking, etc. that appear lower on this scale.
So, OT I is supposed to teach about direct perception, but it adds too much significance. A much better job of teaching direct perception is done by the following two issues.
LOOK & NOTICE
EXPERIENCE
You may take a look at them. They are not confidential.
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