I have a new opinion about Freezoners

[Veda]

...Most of the FZ does standard tech or very close.

Thank you.

The Scientology FZ, and Independent Scientology, and Ron's Orgs, are a transitional stage for many, and those who remain there - who don't transition, or evolve - are dull (yes, "f__king stupid"), or in deep denial, or lost, or (essentially) hypnotized, or just enjoy going to FZ conferences to talk about what they see as the "good old days" (when they were young), or are people who just want to make a living providing "Bridge" services to the steady stream of folks leaving the CofS who still want their (Xenu) "Bridge," or are con men, "users," or "sharks," who take advantage of the above sincere FZoners.

The FZ serves a purpose, of sort, and that's why I think ESMB should have a SCN FZ/Indie SCN/Ron's Org section at the bottom of the MB. It's an entry point for some and, if they look upward, on their computer screen, a transitional step.

 

[MichelleAsWell]

Freezoners are scientologists.
Mark A. Baker

I understand what you are saying--thank you for explaining.

The Free Zone is where you practice "Scientology" (however you define it) outside of the Church of Scientology.

I think people can believe what they want but it's awfully dangerous to think you have the discernment to distill all the "good bits" out of something like Scientology and have something safe to use on OTHER PEOPLE--whether they ask you to or not.

I understand wanting to help people but ....DANG.

 

[FinallyMe]

If there is an "Anglican Catholic" church, I would bet that the "catholic" is associated with the definition of "universal" or "pertaining to mankind" rather than to the Roman Catholic church and its association with its Pope.

Episcopal indicates that the church is headed by a bishop. For instance, there is a Methodist Episcopal church, which would be a Methodist church that is headed by a bishop. Perhaps "Anglican Catholic" is similarly indicative of the nature of the church.

 

[Veda]

I understand what you are saying--thank you for explaining.

The Free Zone is where you practice "Scientology" (however you define it) outside of the Church of Scientology.

I think people can believe what they want but it's awfully dangerous to think you have the discernment to distill all the "good bits" out of something like Scientology and have something safe to use on OTHER PEOPLE--whether they ask you to or not.

I understand wanting to help people but ....DANG.

The "good bits" line is mostly a ruse when used by FZ Scientologists; what's used in the Scientology FZ is the Scientology Bridge. If not he one below:

http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/Part02/Chp06/pg0181_1.html

Then a similar one from the early 1980s, or from the 1970s.

 

[nexus100]

I understand what you are saying--thank you for explaining.

The Free Zone is where you practice "Scientology" (however you define it) outside of the Church of Scientology.

I think people can believe what they want but it's awfully dangerous to think you have the discernment to distill all the "good bits" out of something like Scientology and have something safe to use on OTHER PEOPLE--whether they ask you to or not.

I understand wanting to help people but ....DANG.

That is sorta the crux of it, Michelle.

 

[Panda Termint]

To me, the value of the Freezone is this;

Almost all of those still-in or newly out of scientolgy have one very particular aspect to their mindset. They are thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that scientology is the ONLY way out if the "trap". They are thoroughly conditioned to believe in the actuality of this trap and its remedy ie. "The Bridge", the complete Bridge up to and including New OTVIII.

The "Bridge To Total Freedom" is the CofS' most potent carrot, "Denial of Bridge" is the CofS' most potent stick. This carrot and stick is all that is holding many in the CofS.

The existence of the FZ allows scientologists to consider alternatives to remaining on the CofS treadmill. It has considerable value when dealing with the initial barrier that "denial of Bridge" throws up.

I've mentioned before that I know of three specific instances where getting a scientologist fully informed about the existence of the FZ assisted them in breaking free of the CofS without regret. Oddly enough, not one of them has availed themselves of FZ services but all are completely done with the CofS.

 

[uniquemand]

To me, the value of the Freezone is this;

Almost all of those still-in or newly out of scientolgy have one very particular aspect to their mindset. They are thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that scientology is the ONLY way out if the "trap". They are thoroughly conditioned to believe in the actuality of this trap and its remedy ie. "The Bridge", the complete Bridge up to and including New OTVIII.

The "Bridge To Total Freedom" is the CofS' most potent carrot, "Denial of Bridge" is the CofS' most potent stick. This carrot and stick is all that is holding many in the CofS.

The existence of the FZ allows scientologists to consider alternatives to remaining on the CofS treadmill. It has considerable value when dealing with the initial barrier that "denial of Bridge" throws up.

I've mentioned before that I know of three specific instances where getting a scientologist fully informed about the existence of the FZ assisted them in breaking free of the CofS without regret. Oddly enough, not one of them has availed themselves of FZ services but all are completely done with the CofS.

Kudos. Exactly. Precisely. Well-state. me too. Huzzah!

 

[Terril park]

Thank you.

The Scientology FZ, and Independent Scientology, and Ron's Orgs, are a transitional stage for many, and those who remain there - who don't transition, or evolve - are dull (yes, "f__king stupid"), or in deep denial, or lost, or (essentially) hypnotized, or just enjoy going to FZ conferences to talk about what they see as the "good old days" (when they were young), or are people who just want to make a living providing "Bridge" services to the steady steam of folks leaving the CofS who still want their (Xenu) "Bridge," or are con men, "users," or "sharks," who take advantage of the above sincere FZoners.

The FZ serves a purpose, of sort, and that's why I think ESMB should have a SCN FZ/Indie SCN/Ron's Org section at the bottom of the MB. It's an entry point for some and, if they look upward, on their computer screen, a transitional step.

Lol! being a Freezone auditor is the way to make lots of bucks?

Stupid ignorant viewpoint.

Seems we agree that the FZ is a good next step for those who may
wish to exit COS. They come to the net......as they must, they are exposed to all viewpoints. Including those of the imaginary "users sharks and conmen".

You trying to promote the " freezone Survivors " website here?
Companion to "Religious Freedom Watch".

 

[Free Being Me]

To me, the value of the Freezone is this;

Almost all of those still-in or newly out of scientolgy have one very particular aspect to their mindset. They are thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that scientology is the ONLY way out if the "trap". They are thoroughly conditioned to believe in the actuality of this trap and its remedy ie. "The Bridge", the complete Bridge up to and including New OTVIII.

The "Bridge To Total Freedom" is the CofS' most potent carrot, "Denial of Bridge" is the CofS' most potent stick. This carrot and stick is all that is holding many in the CofS.

The existence of the FZ allows scientologists to consider alternatives to remaining on the CofS treadmill. It has considerable value when dealing with the initial barrier that "denial of Bridge" throws up.

I've mentioned before that I know of three specific instances where getting a scientologist fully informed about the existence of the FZ assisted them in breaking free of the CofS without regret. Oddly enough, not one of them has availed themselves of FZ services but all are completely done with the CofS.

Good news any way you look at. 3 people done with $ci.

 

[Panda Termint]

Terril, I wonder if it'd be better to simply ignore the misinformed/ill-informed opinions about what does or does not go on in the FZ. The same goes for and tinfoil speculation as to motives. It's a form of Bullbaiting, IMO, and reacting to it is probably not the wisest choice.

I certainly understand the desire to counter lies, I do it myself all the time, but perhaps it'd be a more productive to simply ignore the posters who are simply trying to get a rise out of you. What do you think?

 

[nexus100]

Terril, I wonder if it'd be better to simply ignore the misinformed/ill-informed opinions about what does or does not go on in the FZ. The same goes for and tinfoil speculation as to motives. It's a form of Bullbaiting, IMO, and reacting to it is probably not the wisest choice.

I certainly understand the desire to counter lies, I do it myself all the time, but perhaps it'd be a more productive to simply ignore the posters who are simply trying to get a rise out of you. What do you think?

Ignore what is in your space at your peril.

 

[Panda Termint]

It's hardly in Terril's (or anyone's) space!

 

[Veda]

Lol! being a Freezone auditor is the way to make lots of bucks?

Stupid ignorant viewpoint.

-snip-

I didn't say that. Read it again - slowly.

Some are sincere (albeit misguided) and trying to help others - see the list of categories.

However...

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=495031&postcount=20

 

[Terril park]

Terril, I wonder if it'd be better to simply ignore the misinformed/ill-informed opinions about what does or does not go on in the FZ. The same goes for and tinfoil speculation as to motives. It's a form of Bullbaiting, IMO, and reacting to it is probably not the wisest choice.

I certainly understand the desire to counter lies, I do it myself all the time, but perhaps it'd be a more productive to simply ignore the posters who are simply trying to get a rise out of you. What do you think?

I mostly don't respond. Couldn't have a day job if I tried.

I respond to those I select to respond to, a minority, where I feel I may make useful points.

 

[Panda Termint]

Fair enough!

 

[Free Being Me]

I understand what you are saying--thank you for explaining.

The Free Zone is where you practice "Scientology" (however you define it) outside of the Church of Scientology.

I think people can believe what they want but it's awfully dangerous to think you have the discernment to distill all the "good bits" out of something like Scientology and have something safe to use on OTHER PEOPLE--whether they ask you to or not.

I understand wanting to help people but ....DANG.

That you Michelle. This is exactly what I have been concerned about regarding the FZ. Not because i see them automaticly as evil doers or an easy target but as you stated above. Can scavenged parts of a destructive cults doctrine be implemented with safety upon the public for improvement? IMO no.

 

[MichelleAsWell]

To me, the value of the Freezone is this;

The existence of the FZ allows scientologists to consider alternatives to remaining on the CofS treadmill. It has considerable value when dealing with the initial barrier that "denial of Bridge" throws up.

I certainly understand the value of the Free Zone as a "safety net" for people considering leaving the Church and hopefully as a step to freedom--

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a Free Zone right now or Free Zone/Indie subforum on ESMB, I was initially just trying to understand what exactly was upsetting people.

I think I've got it tho.

I appreciate how thoughtful and articulate the posts on this board can be when it comes to explaining different positions...You don't see that much on the interwebs.

 

[nexus100]

It's hardly in Terril's (or anyone's) space!

It isn't? Then why is he aware of it?

 

[Panda Termint]

He's pulling it in.

 

[dexter gelfand]

Terril, I wonder if it'd be better to simply ignore the misinformed/ill-informed opinions about what does or does not go on in the FZ. The same goes for and tinfoil speculation as to motives. It's a form of Bullbaiting, IMO, and reacting to it is probably not the wisest choice.

I certainly understand the desire to counter lies, I do it myself all the time, but perhaps it'd be a more productive to simply ignore the posters who are simply trying to get a rise out of you. What do you think?

I think its perfectly ok to simply allow someone to post an opposing or provoking statement, and not necessarily toss up a counter- reaction every time. Its probably best to maintain one's equilibrium. There really isn't anything at stake here. Its not like many people are swayed to change their thinking by such posts, especially when something is expressed in a demeaning way anyway. I think sometimes there is a misplaced anxiety about the imagined effects of allowing posts that oppose one's own viewpoint.

Other than perhaps expressing their own mental angst in an effort to vent it out, the extremists here are really only accomplishing one or 2 things, both of little or no value- preaching to the choir, and/or baiting the opposition. I think that most of the time, the better thing to do is to give acknowledgement, or simply allow the thought to be expressed without fighting or otherwise resisting it.

Sometimes people are interested in exchanging viewpoints, and sometimes people are trying to forward a personal agenda. The former when practiced, is a joy, and with the latter, its probably best not to let yourself get entangled too deeply into that sort of exchange, in my view.

There's not much value in taking on a role in a GPM dramatization, aka pissing match, and nothing at stake by opting out of that trap.

Love, Dex