programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
paradox said:
That is correct. And I don't know why anyone would think that.
Maybe it would be wishful thinking?
I have a new opinion about Freezoners
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That is correct. And I don't know why anyone would think that.
Maybe it would be wishful thinking?
Sounds like a good move to define the nature of this forum more clearly. Some people belong here, some don't. The name of the forum ought to make it clear who it's for - EX scientologists. Now it does. "Freezone scientologists" are still scientologists -they are not EX scientologists.
programmer_guy
True Ex-Scientologist
I agree with you 100%.
(But I wouldn't be in favor of banning freezoners or indies.)
LongTimeGone
Silver Meritorious Patron
paradox
ab intra silentio vera
Yeah, at best, I suppose. At worst, more like weasel-PR, to gain acceptance by those still in need of the scn crutch/dream.
Like your sig, btw. Not long I ago I realized something similarly as "One person's trap is another person's security."
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation
I know what you mean but I disagree ... I feel that they are EX Scientologists but they don't really want to be.
They pick and choose which bits of the tek they agree with and choose to use ... and as we all know the cofs insists that every single thing ever written is adhered to, to the letter.
The Freezone are (IMHO) pseudo scientologists who refuse to accept that they once leapt onto the wrong horse as we all did, and now for whatever reason (saving face, arrogance, superiority issues, money making etc) hang on to the false and stupid idea that they are the true keeper's of the tek.
Blub would be disgusted that they have been allowed to hijack his tek (and he isn't get any royalties).
Voltaire's Child
Fool on the Hill
I neve said it was "just" anything. Ever.
Sai Ninja 2000
Patron with Honors
you know.. i have to say that when i first showed up on esmb, the zoner's jumped on me like i was fresh meat, i wont name names. but honestly... it was a sick feeling. i just got out of the mess, i was still dealing with, AM still dealing with it, the last thing i needed was to get regged.
not to mention the fact that the regging was one of the things i hated the most. it just stunk of hard sell and sneaky "snatch-em-up" techniques. i have no doubt that anyone interested in continuing with scientology without the corporate and antagonistic feel of what scientology is for them, then they will find the freezone on their own. if that is what they want, they will seek it out.
but i have always felt that this site should be a place of reprieve from all of that. no one should feel like they are being primed to be sold... again.
i came here by accident, but i stayed for the people that i knew had experienced what i had, am and probably will continue to experience. that is what is most valuable. we came here to get away from scientology, to discuss, laugh, share and bitch about it. not praise it.
so good on ya, emma.
paradox
ab intra silentio vera
Sai Ninja 2000
Patron with Honors
just something i'd like to add here:
it may be heartless, but there is a point where you have to stop coddling people who refuse to stop making the same STUPID mistakes. junkies and zoners alike. i have more than once compared my family to junkies.. they keep going back for more abuse from the church, and defend it and themselves. and the only way they will ever wake up is when they hit rock bottom.
they are stupid. there's no reason to be PC about the truth. its not pretty, but its true.
edit:
it has broken my heart to lose my brother to the sea org. it has broken my heart to realize that he is no longer "my brother" but a machine crafted and molded into a scientology robot soldier. he is no longer my friend. if i continue to believe that i can trust him to make the right decisions, i will only get hurt. i have come to realize that he is being STUPID. BEING stupid. anyone who goes back for more is being stupid. i love him with all my heart, but he is stupid. just fact.
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paradox
ab intra silentio vera
Stupidity could actually be viewed as granting the benefit of the doubt in not attributing a harsher label to the situation of addiction to a belief or system of beliefs, hopes, ideals, and lofty promises; even if presented under the guise of a pseudo-technology, organized hierarchical religion, get rich marketing scheme, or what have you. I'm sure it's been quoted on ESMB before,
Albert Einstein said:
Sai Ninja 2000
Patron with Honors
^^^like!^^^
i wish i could "like" posts on here like i do on facebook lol
but back to the subject at hand, regardless of everything else, emma closed the thread because it was owned and moderated by and for a single user. fair enough.
the freezoners can make their own forum for success stories for themselves, if one doesn't exist already. emma obviously felt this wasn't the place for it, and i agree.
forums can be made for free anyway.
i wish i could "like" posts on here like i do on facebook lol
but back to the subject at hand, regardless of everything else, emma closed the thread because it was owned and moderated by and for a single user. fair enough.
the freezoners can make their own forum for success stories for themselves, if one doesn't exist already. emma obviously felt this wasn't the place for it, and i agree.
forums can be made for free anyway.
Jachs
Gold Meritorious Patron
The church and the Freezone are not the same.
Although The subject and the church have the same founder, i believe they are two different things.
The church is a military organisation,
i dont consider the entire subject militant,
its background is from some very great minds,
the vedic scriptures, buddhism, and other great minds.
If psychology went on a rampage trying to dead agent its "enemies", regged
people for large quanties of money to spread its "business",overcharged us,
indoctrinated us to believe its the only way, convinced us we are right to
disconnect from our families, employed us on minimal wage, locked us in a
"Rehabilitation" project when we made a mistake, told us to spy on our
coworkers, taught us that the CEO was the king to be followed at all costs,
or else we are for it.censured us, ran covert operations on us, The general
public wouldnt accept that.wed protest that it was fu_ked up.
If in scio ,none of that indoctrination existed and individuals were just free to
explore unhindered much the same as psychology is today, it would just be
asubject.what worked would be employed ,what didnt trashed.
Buddhism has "tech", hindu has "tech", Psychology has a "Tech", all have
success stories" whether verbal or written, Virgin corporation has a "tech" for
business, even if its just have fun. Only when militant or extremist(destroy
anybody who gets in our way) think gets in and this is the "only way"
mentality seeps thru is it revolting. Freedom to choose.
Just because the church is destructive and leaves death in its wake
doesnt mean individuals do not, cannot get "success" out of the subject.
Freezoners ,and i am not one ,still in my opinion wish to help people
in a positive way are friendly and im all for more friendly people in the world
to offset The Cia,KGB, terrorism, child molestors, murderers, rapists, nuclear
threats, economy threats.and all the other 1001 bad news of the world,
Freezoners i believe do not have a hidden agenda.
I dont know all of them but the ones ive met are not fu@king stupid, nor evil, nor neglectful.
Ive read many posts of individuals stories on this board where posters did experience
something good.positive. whether ability to communicate better, or
understand others better.If there was no truth, i find it hard to believe it
would attract so many good people.
But i can also appreciate the distaste felt by many to absolutely cringe
seeing Success stories and The tech and other terms of an experience rather
forgotten.
Although The subject and the church have the same founder, i believe they are two different things.
The church is a military organisation,
i dont consider the entire subject militant,
its background is from some very great minds,
the vedic scriptures, buddhism, and other great minds.
If psychology went on a rampage trying to dead agent its "enemies", regged
people for large quanties of money to spread its "business",overcharged us,
indoctrinated us to believe its the only way, convinced us we are right to
disconnect from our families, employed us on minimal wage, locked us in a
"Rehabilitation" project when we made a mistake, told us to spy on our
coworkers, taught us that the CEO was the king to be followed at all costs,
or else we are for it.censured us, ran covert operations on us, The general
public wouldnt accept that.wed protest that it was fu_ked up.
If in scio ,none of that indoctrination existed and individuals were just free to
explore unhindered much the same as psychology is today, it would just be
asubject.what worked would be employed ,what didnt trashed.
Buddhism has "tech", hindu has "tech", Psychology has a "Tech", all have
success stories" whether verbal or written, Virgin corporation has a "tech" for
business, even if its just have fun. Only when militant or extremist(destroy
anybody who gets in our way) think gets in and this is the "only way"
mentality seeps thru is it revolting. Freedom to choose.
Just because the church is destructive and leaves death in its wake
doesnt mean individuals do not, cannot get "success" out of the subject.
Freezoners ,and i am not one ,still in my opinion wish to help people
in a positive way are friendly and im all for more friendly people in the world
to offset The Cia,KGB, terrorism, child molestors, murderers, rapists, nuclear
threats, economy threats.and all the other 1001 bad news of the world,
Freezoners i believe do not have a hidden agenda.
I dont know all of them but the ones ive met are not fu@king stupid, nor evil, nor neglectful.
Ive read many posts of individuals stories on this board where posters did experience
something good.positive. whether ability to communicate better, or
understand others better.If there was no truth, i find it hard to believe it
would attract so many good people.
But i can also appreciate the distaste felt by many to absolutely cringe
seeing Success stories and The tech and other terms of an experience rather
forgotten.
Ogsonofgroo
Crusader
SN2000, that is be so sad about your bro, I too have had to let one go. Not a friend any more, not someone you can understand, just a person now you probably wouldn't want to meet again, kinda sad, but time and wierdness does change people, and knowledge and strength changes others, we may all meet again anyhow, who really knows?
MostlyLurker
Patron Meritorious
I don't think you are on such a scale.
Deleting almost always leaves a bad taste. Why not move it into the archive section? Then the existing posts would still be readable for people who are interested, and nobody could lament about censorship.
Just' my € 0.02
Terril park
Sponsor
Yes, and Emma's stated opinion has been wholly justified by recent events. What started as yet another outbreak of an outstanding FZ hissy fit has, in no small part due to BB's own partisan & self-justificatory meddling, turned the current events into a real meltdown.
Mark A. Baker
Oh dear Mark! Veda's going to have to figure out a new
conspiracy theory about us now.