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Leland

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That might be a good Forbes Business article.

Which international business has driven its dedicated customers into bankruptcy.

I never made much money in my life. I worked my ass off almost three years to pay for OT III. Sure I know some people make and have plenty of money, have good paying jobs or own businesses. BUT I am still flabbergasted at some Scientologists that paid 100s of thousands of dollars . I was reading one thread here about an Australian x Scien tell his horror story of what they donated to IAS plus six month trips to flag while on solo 7. I suppose if I had that kind of money plus had 't had my problems with some in the cult, I might have done the same. I'm lucky to have gotten out when I did.
 
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Karen#1

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Meet Jillian Schlesinger
****new video***

Jillian joined staff at 15 years old. She is now 29 and fled about 3 weeks ago. In this opening of the series Jillian tells about working conditions, slave labor for $8 a week and being forced to work 15 hours a day up to 19 hours a day.
Contrast the glamor and the glitter of ribbon cutting some "Ideal Org" while Sea Org members have one working toilet for an entire FLOOR (some 100 occupants). Enforced cleaning of fiberglass with no protection given ~~ using 2 young girls to do work machines should do. Slave Labor. Human Trafficking.
Her revelations get better and better..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IPDTHjyj7o
 
Meet Jillian Schlesinger
****new video***

Jillian joined staff at 15 years old. She is now 29 and fled about 3 weeks ago. In this opening of the series Jillian tells about working conditions, slave labor for $8 a week and being forced to work 15 hours a day up to 19 hours a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IPDTHjyj7o
Something that caught my attention in your video - If I understand correctly, Jillian was removing fiberglass without proper protection, then you asked if it was fiberglass slash asbestos. Fiberglass and asbestos are two different things, and if they were removing asbestos, that would be an OSHA violation. That can only be done by licensed contractors with protective clothing, job site protection etc. They can't just send any old staff members to remove it. If true, she should have legal recourse.

I'm glad she got out.

Question - am I correct in believing that this latest rash in construction at the complex and the test center is being done in house to save money? I thought they were doing that originally when they bought the Cedars of Lebanon Hospital with newly minted RPF members, then they phased that out and started hiring contractors, or were getting Scientology Contractors to donate their services for the construction of the ideal orgs.

One would think he'd realize the orgs being empty would have some relation to lowered cash flow up lines. When you look at the difference in Flag's public, and Los Angeles's public, as well as the fact, it's no big deal in LA to drive and see the condition of the LA org, Pasadena Org, the Valley Org and the missions to discover they are all suffering. At Flag the nearest org is Tampa, and none of their public have any motivation to go there and compare it to their home org.

So the Flag public have a false idea of the actual condition of Scientology. Thus they contribute more - say nothing of the fact they are trapped there doing services, and are prey to constant reging.

Good video - I'd like to hear more from her, like how she found you so quick, and her motivation for speaking out.

Mimsey
 

Bea Kiddo

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Your most devastating expose yet.

The life of an SO member is even worse than most
disadvantaged third world citizens.

I think one of the things about this is what would a Scientologist or Sea Org member who saw this think?

Most would think: "So what? She is just nattering (complaining). She knew what she was signing up for when she joined. Many are called, few are chosen."

Few are still stupid enough to not see the scam.
 

betskand

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Something that caught my attention in your video - If I understand correctly, Jillian was removing fiberglass without proper protection, then you asked if it was fiberglass slash asbestos. Fiberglass and asbestos are two different things, and if they were removing asbestos, that would be an OSHA violation. That can only be done by licensed contractors with protective clothing, job site protection etc. They can't just send any old staff members to remove it. If true, she should have legal recourse.

I'm glad she got out.

Question - am I correct in believing that this latest rash in construction at the complex and the test center is being done in house to save money? I thought they were doing that originally when they bought the Cedars of Lebanon Hospital with newly minted RPF members, then they phased that out and started hiring contractors, or were getting Scientology Contractors to donate their services for the construction of the ideal orgs.

One would think he'd realize the orgs being empty would have some relation to lowered cash flow up lines. When you look at the difference in Flag's public, and Los Angeles's public, as well as the fact, it's no big deal in LA to drive and see the condition of the LA org, Pasadena Org, the Valley Org and the missions to discover they are all suffering. At Flag the nearest org is Tampa, and none of their public have any motivation to go there and compare it to their home org.

So the Flag public have a false idea of the actual condition of Scientology. Thus they contribute more - say nothing of the fact they are trapped there doing services, and are prey to constant reging.

Good video - I'd like to hear more from her, like how she found you so quick, and her motivation for speaking out.

Mimsey

Oops...I put the following post on a different thread...maybe it should go on this thread. (I'm new and still sorting out the workings of this neat site.) Also I'd like to echo Mimsey in wanting to know (if it wouldn't expose people to harassment) how you were able to find and connect with Jillian. The increasing strength in the network of escapees is INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, and Karen plays a big part in this, I think.

Thank you again, Karen. This one is incredible...

The part that really worried me (well, ONE of the parts) was that of the construction work done by unskilled labor and also the two girls sent to strip fiberglass with no protection or information about hazardous materials.

I was also struck by the business about the Russian nationals. Of course, they could be Russian-speaking (or -sounding) people from the Stans or Moldava...some of the same people who are lured into other locales by human slavers with promises of high-paying secretarial jobs, only to have their passports confiscated and find themselves in prostitution. (Dubai is supposedly full of slaver workers of both sexes gotten by such means.) I can't see any reason that DM would have "ethical" problems filling the gaps in membership by luring such people on board with offers of glamorous ship-board work serving celebrities, and immediately confiscating their passports or proofs of nationality. Then, after a couple of years of solid indoctrination, they get dumped at Flag or in L.A. -- still without the proper papers -- and find themselves in the situations Jillian described. Or their children are deposited there. So in addition to being broke and insulated from reality, they may have language problems and be terrified of being turned over to Immigration. Just hypothesis, of course...

And as usual, Karen is such a great interviewer, with such a kind and supportive style (you can hear it in her voice) that her interviewee is comfortable. These videos must be striking at the clammy heart of David M.

Addition: "The clammy heart of David M."! Ha-ha! Good one, self!
 

Karen#1

Gold Meritorious Patron
Meet Jillian Schlesinger
****new video***

Jillian joined staff at 15 years old. She is now 29 and fled about 3 weeks ago. In this opening of the series Jillian tells about working conditions, slave labor for $8 a week and being forced to work 15 hours a day up to 19 hours a day.
Contrast the glamor and the glitter of ribbon cutting some "Ideal Org" while Sea Org members have one working toilet for an entire FLOOR (some 100 occupants). Enforced cleaning of fiberglass with no protection given ~~ using 2 young girls to do work machines should do. Slave Labor. Human Trafficking.
Her revelations get better and better..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IPDTHjyj7o


Mimsey, you are right. Fiber Glass and Asbestos are different, my error. The main point is that a 17 year old along with Jillian had to work, crawling on their bellies to take out this substance as part of a "construction crew" to save $$$$$. This is Religious ! Ecclesiastical !

Chris Shelton who fled 1 year ago just posted this ~~


Chris Shelton This is a great story. I really want to hear more from her. I wish Karen had given her more time to talk. Ignorance of OSHA rules and regulations is nothing new. These were given lip service when I was on the RPF and during any all-hands MEST work time. I find it fascinating that they are trying to get rid of "wog" contractors now by replacing them with untrained SO labor. That's how they did the original Ideal Orgs - with SO labor and Scn public volunteers - and they were nightmare jobs with so much wasted effort and time. But of course, if it saves a few bucks then Miscavige is all for it since that means more money to his offshore accounts.
 

Anonycat

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Mimsey, you are right. Fiber Glass and Asbestos are different, my error. The main point is that a 17 year old along with Jillian had to work, crawling on their bellies to take out this substance as part of a "construction crew" to save $$$$$. This is Religious ! Ecclesiastical !

Chris Shelton who fled 1 year ago just posted this ~~



OSHA requirements - starts around page 3: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pdfs/77-152b.pdf

Lots of info here: https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/syntheticmineralfibers/

They were breaking many laws. If DM ordered these minors and young adults to do this project, I'd sue him and RTC. Involved parties should report this to OSHA.

File a complaint: https://www.osha.gov/as/opa/worker/complain.html
 

Anonycat

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The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), part of the U.S. Department of Labor with headquarters in Washington, D.C., offers regulations that apply to any private sector employer with one or more workers, including churches. The caveat with churches is that the regulations only cover the secular activities of the church, not religious worship or ministry services. Secular activities include daycare centers, maintenance and cleaning crews, and business office or administrative staff. OSHA focuses on employee training requirements, protective equipment availability and use, and a general commitment to mitigate job hazards, when possible, that can lead to employee injury or death.

Here is a quick self-assessment to test your church’s OSHA compliance:

• Do you provide your maintenance staff with proper hearing, eye, and hand protective equipment, and do they use it regularly? Do they bypass any safety guards or latches on mowers or power equipment?

• Is your cleaning staff trained on chemical storage and exposure risks?

• Are all your cleaning supplies labeled properly and do you have Material Safety Data Sheets for every chemical on site?

• Does your daycare or childcare staff use latex gloves when dealing with blood or bodily fluids?

• Have you examined your administrative staff’s workstations for ergonomic design?

• Are your fire exits properly marked and are the paths of egress clear?

• Does your staff know where to find fire extinguishers and have they been trained on how to use them?

• Do you keep training records for each employee on what safety topics they are trained in, and do you provide refresher training annually?

• Do you have the OSHA workplace poster positioned where it’s visible to employees?

If you answered yes to each of these questions, you are well on your way to OSHA compliance and providing a safe working environment for your employees. Visit www.osha.gov for more specific safety topic information and additional safety checklists.

For those of you who answered no to any of the above questions, there are a few more things you should know. First of all, OSHA can do an inspection of your facility at any time. OSHA inspects about 1% of all workplaces each year, but if OSHA does come to your door, it helps to be prepared. Keep all training records in a centralized location and assign a knowledgeable staff member to act as escort for the visit. Any violations discovered during an inspection can result in a fine for the church ranging from a few hundred to tens of thousands of dollars.

Secondly, the church must report to OSHA any employee fatalities or serious injuries and keep a log of all other minor injuries. Finally, there are services to help your church become compliant. OSHA offers education outreach options, including consulting services separate from the inspections division, which can be scheduled through your state’s OSHA office. In addition, numerous safety training firms exist that can manage your safety program for a relatively low cost and little time investment.

Churches have a duty to provide a safe working environment for their employees. Protect your employees now and you’ll have happy and healthy employees for years to come.

OSHA regulations can be complicated to navigate and interpret. Be sure to contact your state’s OSHA office for clarification or more information.

http://www.worshipfacilities.com/go.php/editorial/12476

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1975.4(c)

Coverage of churches and special policy as to certain church activities -

1975.4(c)(1)

Churches. Churches or religious organizations, like charitable and non-profit organizations, are considered employers under the Act where they employ one or more persons in secular activities. As a matter of enforcement policy, the performance of, or participation in, religious services (as distinguished from secular or proprietary activities whether for charitable or religion-related purposes) will be regarded as not constituting employment under the Act. Any person, while performing religious services or participating in them in any degree is not regarded as an employer or employee under the Act, notwithstanding the fact that such person may be regarded as an employer or employee for other purposes - for example, giving or receiving remuneration in connection with the performance of religious services.

1975.4(c)(2)

Examples. Some examples of coverage of religious organizations as employers would be: A private hospital owned or operated by a religious organization; a private school or orphanage owned or operated by a religious organization; commercial establishments of religious organizations engaged in producing or selling products such as alcoholic beverages, bakery goods, religious goods, etc.; and administrative, executive, and other office personnel employed by religious organizations. Some examples of noncoverage in the case of religious organizations would be: Clergymen while performing or participating in religious services; and other participants in religious services; namely, choir masters, organists, other musicians, choir members, ushers, and the like.

https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=11327
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

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Something that caught my attention in your video - If I understand correctly, Jillian was removing fiberglass without proper protection, then you asked if it was fiberglass slash asbestos. Fiberglass and asbestos are two different things, and if they were removing asbestos, that would be an OSHA violation. That can only be done by licensed contractors with protective clothing, job site protection etc. They can't just send any old staff members to remove it. If true, she should have legal recourse.

I'm glad she got out.

Question - am I correct in believing that this latest rash in construction at the complex and the test center is being done in house to save money? I thought they were doing that originally when they bought the Cedars of Lebanon Hospital with newly minted RPF members, then they phased that out and started hiring contractors, or were getting Scientology Contractors to donate their services for the construction of the ideal orgs.

One would think he'd realize the orgs being empty would have some relation to lowered cash flow up lines. When you look at the difference in Flag's public, and Los Angeles's public, as well as the fact, it's no big deal in LA to drive and see the condition of the LA org, Pasadena Org, the Valley Org and the missions to discover they are all suffering. At Flag the nearest org is Tampa, and none of their public have any motivation to go there and compare it to their home org.

So the Flag public have a false idea of the actual condition of Scientology. Thus they contribute more - say nothing of the fact they are trapped there doing services, and are prey to constant reging.

Good video - I'd like to hear more from her, like how she found you so quick, and her motivation for speaking out.

Mimsey

The way I see it is David Miscavige as an Individual, not as a COB is the subject of a Texas court action, yet he as a Corporate CEO is misdirecting staff of a 501(C)(3)(?) a tax free entity to control the money's thereof to be used for his PERSONAL protection in court. Whether those funds came from earlier private inurement as he gained control through his thuggery and finely tuned fraud and manipulation, or from current manipulation I consider it illegal private inurement. Which of his lawyers is also in jeopardy for complicity is a question I also have.

Tick Tock....
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

Gold Meritorious Patron
All the stories I've heard re recruitment talk of the lies they are told.

This is standard fraud from the beginning at least as early as DMSMH, including claims of Clear and OT. Anyone dealing in such fraud is dealing in bad faith and is subject to litigation and should hauled before the courts to at the very least educate such individuals regarding their ant-social CONscience and actions. Intentional misdirection is a form of betrayal of a wonderful characteristic of humankind, TRUST. It yields terrible mental and emotional pain.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
Something that caught my attention in your video - If I understand correctly, Jillian was removing fiberglass without proper protection, then you asked if it was fiberglass slash asbestos. Fiberglass and asbestos are two different things, and if they were removing asbestos, that would be an OSHA violation. That can only be done by licensed contractors with protective clothing, job site protection etc. They can't just send any old staff members to remove it. If true, she should have legal recourse.

I'm glad she got out.

Question - am I correct in believing that this latest rash in construction at the complex and the test center is being done in house to save money? I thought they were doing that originally when they bought the Cedars of Lebanon Hospital with newly minted RPF members, then they phased that out and started hiring contractors, or were getting Scientology Contractors to donate their services for the construction of the ideal orgs.

One would think he'd realize the orgs being empty would have some relation to lowered cash flow up lines. When you look at the difference in Flag's public, and Los Angeles's public, as well as the fact, it's no big deal in LA to drive and see the condition of the LA org, Pasadena Org, the Valley Org and the missions to discover they are all suffering. At Flag the nearest org is Tampa, and none of their public have any motivation to go there and compare it to their home org.

So the Flag public have a false idea of the actual condition of Scientology. Thus they contribute more - say nothing of the fact they are trapped there doing services, and are prey to constant reging.

Good video - I'd like to hear more from her, like how she found you so quick, and her motivation for speaking out.

Mimsey

Both fiberglass and asbestos are hazardous materials, and subject to OSHA rules. You can't even stand on a ladder any higher than indicated on the ladder, without breaking OSHA laws.
 

Anonycat

Crusader
The way I see it is David Miscavige as an Individual, not as a COB is the subject of a Texas court action, yet he as a Corporate CEO is misdirecting staff of a 501(C)(3)(?) a tax free entity to control the money's thereof to be used for his PERSONAL protection in court. Whether those funds came from earlier private inurement as he gained control through his thuggery and finely tuned fraud and manipulation, or from current manipulation I consider it illegal private inurement. Which of his lawyers is also in jeopardy for complicity is a question I also have.

Tick Tock....

I think DM clearly qualifies for inurement.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicc90.pdf
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
I can't believe how angry and upset this has made me feel ... I just want to reach out and scoop Jillian up and take care of her (and show her the real world!) as she comes to terms with what has happened to her.

I'm so glad you are there for Jillian Karen, you are an astonishing lady and people feel safe and loved when near you, that's very apparent from this video.

Please tell Jillian she's a beautiful, fantastic lady and welcome her back to reality for me.

:heartflower::heartflower::heartflower::heartflower::heartflower:
 
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