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RogerB
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as much as a try to write/speak in English - it is not my language and can not understand...
but,
look, as I understand it :
girl was in...( I wish there are more vids from oldtimers)...
BPR - Black PRopaganda, I like it better then "DA".
here, https://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/03/27/jillian-schlesinger/comment-page-1/#comment-6135
I hate it.
Cool, thanks.
Well, I am sure we can "take it as read" that the girl is fully aware of the Cof$'s predilection for acting to dead agent folks . . . Karen's own history is an example of that and it is a recurring theme exposed on her videos . . . and this girl is well aware of it.
The thing to know about these ex-SO types is that they are now coming out as a result of suffering enormous abuse and betrayals of broken promises and such . . . they believed in an ideal, and many got very little (if any services) . . . so there is no fragility in the context of them been drinking huge amounts of "cool aide" making their way up "the bridge."
They are pissed at having been betrayed and abused . . . and they are wanting to tell it like it truly is!
In fact, the cult's activities on the black propaganda/dead agenting front is becoming known and seen as an organized criminal effort to criminally libel and damage people involving also violations of confidentiality and implied blackmail or extortive threat such that it is only setting them up for a monster RICO type suit . . . . umm, maybe we are even ready to begin counting the individuals who have been subjected to the cult's ORGANIZED and deliberate efforts to damage them by use and practice of the Fair Game and black propaganda tech.
And let's be real about it . . . for as long as the cult is promoting its lies or threats of "exposure" or of black propaganda campaigns against folks it is guilty of that act on an ongoing basis . . . and the statute of limitation will not start its count-down clock till they STOP. And this is true for every individual they have declared suppressive, betrayed and falsely lied about.
Rog
Karen#1
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Mark Bunker~~ long time Church of Scientology investigator, television journalist is an Emmy award winning Videographer.
He has been working on this presentation for a while and it is now nearing completion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxDdPNdw76w
He has been working on this presentation for a while and it is now nearing completion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxDdPNdw76w
ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn
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JustSheila
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Hi Karen,
Jillian is so brave and intelligent, she'll do very well now that she's out of that abusive environment. Please thank her for posting this and for interviewing. My love to her - she is young, beautiful, intelligent and articulate. She can and should pursue her personal interests and dreams.
The vids are terrific. I watched every bit of them.
I'm just stunned at how professional your vids are. Crikey, I've got dozens to catch up on - oh no! Thank you, Karen. And Jillian.
Karen#1
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This video depicts an ongoing felony within the "Church" and that is holding people against their will. In fear that the departing member will speak out, go to the media, go to law enforcement, broadcast what goes on inside, they imprison the person in the hopes of getting "a different frame of mind" or enforcing them to sign on video camera 1" thick documents of keeping it all secret with $25,000 penalty for EACH offense of telling what happened inside the
ecclesiastical "Sea Organization."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olxzhqjAAgU
ecclesiastical "Sea Organization."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olxzhqjAAgU
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dchoiceisalwaysrs
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Thank you Karen. As a public on the freewinds floating prison, I too was illegally detained against my will. The story is simple. I went for one of the longer courses, completed it ahead of schedule, was regged for a second long course and had not completed when it was time to catch my flight home. I packed up and headed for the gangway, was refused exit and refused my passport. Shortly thereafter the shipped sailed to another port as I continued on with my course and I managed to get off at that different port. It was the last service I completed in scn.
Years later, 2008 January I read online of others being treated as you illustrate in your video. I was furious and right then and there I knew then and there not only did the cult illegally detain individuals to extort money from them in these so called ''donation meetings or interviews' but it did and I fully believe it is done daily around the world to this very day. I was OUT of the cult.
The cult additionally does this illegal detainment for the purpose of preventing someone from revealing the draconian environment that can occur in scientology and thus by the detainment cover up the unacceptable behaviour that goes on within the cult. And that is not all. In the final analysis, the cult wants to completely 'OWN YOU'. It is a mind control operation producing slaves in all aspects; spiritual, mental, financial, physically and emotionally.
This is why! Some may see me as going too strong as regards my criticism of the cult, but every day I know this cult commits these atrocities, and it needs to STOP! Our governments, our mayors, our city councils even the courts are not doing enough. So it is up to us individually to do what we can to bring a change.
Thank you to everyone who cares about this and a special thanks to those who act to bring change.
RogerB
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Yes, this is a HOT issue that should be pursued . . . also to be noted is that those gag contracts signed by folks in the process of escaping (you know, the $25,000 touch) would be unenforceable by the cult in the context of the individual's duty under the law to report known crimes . . . and the activities you are exposing in videos like this one, #1, is sure as hell criminal action in progress and repeated.
RogerB
Karen#1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olxzhqjAAgU
Wow DC.
I had no idea that you were trapped on Freewinds.
It is a repeating tale.
Thank you for sharing this anecdote.
A guy from Italy wrote to me that even though he was public,
he was only allowed to go ashore with 2 bodyguards as they were
certain he would flee after the lock down reg cycles til 4am to extort
his wealth.
I have a particular interest in videoing personal stories of kidnap,
held against will, baby watch and bodyguarded as testimonials.
It is not unique or rare om the *Church* of Scientology and they are not changing their conduct.
I had no idea that you were trapped on Freewinds.
It is a repeating tale.
Thank you for sharing this anecdote.
A guy from Italy wrote to me that even though he was public,
he was only allowed to go ashore with 2 bodyguards as they were
certain he would flee after the lock down reg cycles til 4am to extort
his wealth.
I have a particular interest in videoing personal stories of kidnap,
held against will, baby watch and bodyguarded as testimonials.
It is not unique or rare om the *Church* of Scientology and they are not changing their conduct.
betskand
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Wow DC.
I had no idea that you were trapped on Freewinds.
It is a repeating tale.
Thank you for sharing this anecdote.
A guy from Italy wrote to me that even though he was public,
he was only allowed to go ashore with 2 bodyguards as they were
certain he would flee after the lock down reg cycles til 4am to extort
his wealth.
I have a particular interest in videoing personal stories of kidnap,
held against will, baby watch and bodyguarded as testimonials.
It is not unique or rare om the *Church* of Scientology and they are not changing their conduct.
[/QUOTE]I had no idea that you were trapped on Freewinds.
It is a repeating tale.
Thank you for sharing this anecdote.
A guy from Italy wrote to me that even though he was public,
he was only allowed to go ashore with 2 bodyguards as they were
certain he would flee after the lock down reg cycles til 4am to extort
his wealth.
I have a particular interest in videoing personal stories of kidnap,
held against will, baby watch and bodyguarded as testimonials.
It is not unique or rare om the *Church* of Scientology and they are not changing their conduct.
Wow, Karen.
As I just told you in a message, one of things that shocks me is that one of the prison-places (not the ship) is NEAR WHERE I LIVE. I'm in the process of writing letters to friends and congressmen and state legislators. I would bet you anything none of those officials knows about this vile misuse of our beautiful state. The presence of such a blight is an embarrassment and a dishonor to all of us here if we permit it.
I'm not sure about what the legal issues are of a whale permitting "babysitting" places on his own property, but it seems to me there must be something...of course, there is the awful probability that prisoners, still deep in brainwashing, would claim that they WANT to be there in order to cleanse themselves of fault.
Anyway...time to do something!
PS., I am so supportive of your particular interest in documenting these prisoner stories. Important, important, important! If doubters see them, it could be the thing that moves them out. If people on the outside (like me) see them, it could be the thing that starts local groups organizing and pressuring to investigate.
I mean...recently in my state a ranch was investigated for holding starving horses and dogs. These were liberated, treated, and many were adopted. (Sadly a number of them had to be put down because they were so far gone.)
Why can't we do even better for fellow humans...especially minors and children?
betskand
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Karen, I've had a recent thought, started up by Jillian S saying that many of the people in Big Blue seemed to be Russian nationals. Having read a lot about human trafficking through the Stans and Eastern Europe by prostitution rings and slave labor rings, especially those supplying Dubai and Qutar, I began to wonder if (in order to boost sagging numbers) DM hadn't decided to do something similar. I don't think he would be interested in prostitution, but he certainly is in need of "members" and unpaid labor. An ad for "glamorous shipboard employment" would undoubtedly lure people trying to leave those areas. Once aboard, passports are confiscated, so of course the person is trapped. After a couple of years at sea, with constant brainwashing, the person could be deposited...still without papers...in Clearwater or L.A. and required to do construction work of the kind Jillian described.
As we know, aliens without papers and possibly with poor English are especially vulnerable to human trafficking.
This is obviously a complete hypothesis, but it strikes me as something Davey Dimples would find no ethical problems in doing. And it would certainly boost "membership" numbers...
People who have been aboard recently could talk about this if indeed it is a reality. If it is, the second they hit US soil I would think the INS would be interested.
Just thinkin'.
Bea Kiddo
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It is sad that I really could not see it when I was in.
My first encounter with the Introspection RD was with a Sea Org member at CC Int. He actually worked for the Manor Hotel. He just flipped out one day. He was immediately taken off the property and put into a rental trailer house far off property. He had 24 hours guards on him. I do not know what became of him. 1992?
The next one was another staff member from Manor Hotel who also flipped one day. He was taken to the Wilcox (Sea Org berthing that is very close to the HGB) and he was put into this dark room on the first floor and essentially locked in for weeks, months. He was not getting any auditing and he was not sleeping. He was under 24 hour watch and they had to physically hold him down to keep him from leaving on several occasions. They were trying to get him to take sleeping pills and he would not. They tried to sneak it into his peanut butter sandwich in a jelly form and he figured it out and went on a rampage. I think he was finally taken off the base. I saw him a few years later wandering around the PAC base. He was smiling and friendly. As if nothing ever happened. I doubt he was still in the Sea Org. 1993?
There are a few more stories I personally know about.... I have to head out to pick up my kiddos, so I will have to add later....
My first encounter with the Introspection RD was with a Sea Org member at CC Int. He actually worked for the Manor Hotel. He just flipped out one day. He was immediately taken off the property and put into a rental trailer house far off property. He had 24 hours guards on him. I do not know what became of him. 1992?
The next one was another staff member from Manor Hotel who also flipped one day. He was taken to the Wilcox (Sea Org berthing that is very close to the HGB) and he was put into this dark room on the first floor and essentially locked in for weeks, months. He was not getting any auditing and he was not sleeping. He was under 24 hour watch and they had to physically hold him down to keep him from leaving on several occasions. They were trying to get him to take sleeping pills and he would not. They tried to sneak it into his peanut butter sandwich in a jelly form and he figured it out and went on a rampage. I think he was finally taken off the base. I saw him a few years later wandering around the PAC base. He was smiling and friendly. As if nothing ever happened. I doubt he was still in the Sea Org. 1993?
There are a few more stories I personally know about.... I have to head out to pick up my kiddos, so I will have to add later....
Karen#1
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lotus
stubborn rebel sheep!
Thank's for telling the true story aboard the Love asbestos boat!
What you said was regularly seen as a situation - I did witnessed it for few publics who did not completed their course, they were not given back their passeport to come take their flight back.
I myself made a false attest the day before I left as I got nothing of this retard stupid course of route to infinity - it's a compilation of another bad trip of LRH - so to get my passport I told I was so key out I could'nt even name my win.
It's when you learn to be a good liar to survive and escape their prisons.
Some other told me thy didn't get anything about this course.
IMHO, they shall provide some lsd or marijuana so we could enjoy the trip!
Karen#1
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Now here's a documentary film production that is going in on whole different angles. I think its brilliant. Yesterday I worked long hours on this. It was a lot of fun. I also demonstrated what happens in an auditing room and covered recent developments on all fronts.
This 7 man crew are not in hiding, they are happy to have shots taken and put out there !
This 7 man crew are not in hiding, they are happy to have shots taken and put out there !
Karen#1
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Jillian Schlesinger Video 3/6
Every single Sea Org member from Senior Execs to Office of Special Affairs, to Security Guards to Canteen an Kitchen workers must spend two an half hours a day on the phone raking in $$$$, $3000 a pop from an exhausted tired public.
I know of some Scientologists who have changed their telephone number an even move Geographically to escape the money extortion.
Rice and beans 3 times day month in and month out is part of the punishments doled out for not making the quotas.
Listen to how City of Los Angeles building inspectors are fooled by
Sea Org members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAJndLLdQRo
Every single Sea Org member from Senior Execs to Office of Special Affairs, to Security Guards to Canteen an Kitchen workers must spend two an half hours a day on the phone raking in $$$$, $3000 a pop from an exhausted tired public.
I know of some Scientologists who have changed their telephone number an even move Geographically to escape the money extortion.
Rice and beans 3 times day month in and month out is part of the punishments doled out for not making the quotas.
Listen to how City of Los Angeles building inspectors are fooled by
Sea Org members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAJndLLdQRo
betskand
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Karen,
Jillian (and you and J. White) are just incredible.
The idea of those people working so damn hard for a cookie...you couldn't write a farce better than that.
One of the many "whys" that strike me: CO$ is CLEARLY a pyramid scheme...certainly for its "devoted donating ecclesiatical workers." There is a very good reason that Pyramid or Ponzi schemes are illegal. It is IMPOSSIBLE to "upstat" continuously, no matter what the product or the promised benefit is. Sales of anything will be subject to fluctuations because of world economy and eventually the market population RUNS OUT. How is it possible that this simple truth has not occurred to any of those who work in the financial structure of the Chorch?
OK, that may be the wrong question. The real question may be "how long can they keep pushing this idiotic scheme and lining the pockets of David Miscavige before the whole thing collapses of its own foolishness?"
But my question is...why aren't some kinds of regulatory entities interested in this pyramid scheme? Oh, I forgot...it's a RELIGION. That is absolutely the FIRST THING that has to be cancelled or nothing else will be possible.
Your videos get more powerful, more shocking and effective with every release.
betskand
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Karen, this is so much fun to see! (Love the boots, by the way.)
Your smile is always a non-medication happy pill. But it is so good to see everyone else having fun too...doing one of the most important things that they can do right now...and obviously very, very involved and satisfied to be working with you.
I think seeing a smile on your beautiful face must just make Davey writhe in agony, like the Wicked Witch of the West before she melted. Hah-hah! (OK. Having non-Buddhist thoughts here. Must go work in garden.)
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Boojuum
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Thanks Karen, wonderful stuff!
One thing I thought of while listening to Jillian's recordings is the utter failure of LRH's admin "tech". While in, the green volumes were regarded as pure gold. An OEC or FEBC grad was considered a masterful manager who could boom any organization.
My personal deprogramming project greatly benefits from seeing the inability of a Scieno org to work in an effective way.
100 + hour work weeks, for $8-$15, sharing a bathroom with 100 other people, beans and rice for your meals, virtually no personal freedom and this is how the "elite of Scientology" are treated? AND you are forced to do phone sales for 2 1/2 hours a day contacting people who are so overrun on being called they usually don't answer the phone.
Is this the prime example that WISE is using to promote the use of Scientology businesses?
Such an incredible amount of effort with minimal cost to achieve so little or achieve negative growth. Now that's impressive.
One thing I thought of while listening to Jillian's recordings is the utter failure of LRH's admin "tech". While in, the green volumes were regarded as pure gold. An OEC or FEBC grad was considered a masterful manager who could boom any organization.
My personal deprogramming project greatly benefits from seeing the inability of a Scieno org to work in an effective way.
100 + hour work weeks, for $8-$15, sharing a bathroom with 100 other people, beans and rice for your meals, virtually no personal freedom and this is how the "elite of Scientology" are treated? AND you are forced to do phone sales for 2 1/2 hours a day contacting people who are so overrun on being called they usually don't answer the phone.
Is this the prime example that WISE is using to promote the use of Scientology businesses?
Such an incredible amount of effort with minimal cost to achieve so little or achieve negative growth. Now that's impressive.
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