Marty Rathbun raises his head, and starts squawking PART 2
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ExposedPerfidy
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New post: https://archive.is/mu4fc
Not very interesting. Rathbun asks "How do warlike tribes resembling cults form up in cyberspace?" and then posts a quote from some book about how people today are addicted to validation via social media (e.g geting 'likes' on facebook and twitter). This is supposed to be some profound wisodm. Yawn.
Not very interesting. Rathbun asks "How do warlike tribes resembling cults form up in cyberspace?" and then posts a quote from some book about how people today are addicted to validation via social media (e.g geting 'likes' on facebook and twitter). This is supposed to be some profound wisodm. Yawn.
Boson Wog Stark
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In Pt. 12 of Marty's critique of Leah Remini and her Troublemakers, Marty is talking about Ron Miscavige and says, "And he just goes right into the thesbian act with them," referring to his telling of a story on Leah's show.
Thesbian? What's that, a cross between a thespian and a lesbian? I didn't know Ron was a lesbian. Oh Maaaty!
This part is so disjointed and incomprehensible, I may transcribe it for those who don't want to watch. (The mirror site has been deleted, I think.)
So, full transcript of the 14 minutes of Pt. 12 coming in an hour or two. It'll be funny, you'll see.
Thesbian? What's that, a cross between a thespian and a lesbian? I didn't know Ron was a lesbian. Oh Maaaty!
This part is so disjointed and incomprehensible, I may transcribe it for those who don't want to watch. (The mirror site has been deleted, I think.)
So, full transcript of the 14 minutes of Pt. 12 coming in an hour or two. It'll be funny, you'll see.
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Tanchi
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Great idea for a book series, The Sour Grapes of Rath..bun. and study companion, with blog commenters' translation (of what Marty is saying).
Veda
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It's a valid subject, and is meant to trick people into taking Marty seriously.
This looks like a Freedom Magazine-type presentation.
The model for what Marty is doing has been around for some time, informally called the Bernie ("fake critic") model.
Marty's blog, with it's many old articles, comments, videos, books, etc., is useful as a means of disguise and for the creation of confusion, but also can be a liability for him. There's too much information that contradicts his attempted discrediting of others in the recent video series.
Will Marty's masters have him keep the blog for disguise? Will they discreetly modify it? Will it suddenly disappear and be replaced by a new Marty Blog? Time will tell.
Will Marty's small collection of fans increase or shrink in number?
Just noticed that The Oracle has enthusiastically reappeared.
Leland
Crusader
It's a valid subject, and is meant to trick people into taking Marty seriously.
This looks like a Freedom Magazine-type presentation.
The model for what Marty is doing has been around for some time, informally called the Bernie ("fake critic") model.
Marty's blog, with it's many old articles, comments, videos, books, etc., is useful as a means of disguise and for the creation of confusion, but also can be a liability for him. There's too much information that contradicts his attempted discrediting of others in the recent video series.
Will Marty's masters have him keep the blog for disguise? Will they discreetly modify it? Will it suddenly disappear and be replaced by a new Marty Blog? Time will tell.
Will Marty's small collection of fans increase or shrink in number?
Just noticed that The Oracle has enthusiastically reappeared.
Important post! Well stated: Fake Critic model...
ExposedPerfidy
Patron
It's a valid subject, and is meant to trick people into taking Marty seriously.
This looks like a Freedom Magazine-type presentation.
The model for what Marty is doing has been around for some time, informally called the Bernie ("fake critic") model.
Marty's blog, with it's many old articles, comments, videos, books, etc., is useful as a means of disguise and for the creation of confusion, but also can be a liability for him. There's too much information that contradicts his attempted discrediting of others in the recent video series.
Will Marty's masters have him keep the blog for disguise? Will they discreetly modify it? Will it suddenly disappear and be replaced by a new Marty Blog? Time will tell.
Removing Marty's old content is a very bad idea PR-wise. Its disappearance can trigger the Streisand effect. When one tries to make information disappear he often inadvertently brings more attention to it then it would have otherwise had and likewise causes others to attach more significance to said information. It also might be that most of Marty's blog posts appear on various archiving websites or have been copied verbatim elsewhere, meaning that there's no way to make this content go away to begin with. And then there's the fact that when Marty had spoken to the media on various occasions he also made statements that contradict the recent videos, thereby further negating the benefit of deleting Marty's blog. Finally, the deletion of Marty's old content will provide further proof that Marty is currently a CoS asset and may even lead to some of his current fans deserting him.
Modifying old posts' content rather than completely deleting them is a relatively better approach. However, if the changes are detected by an attentive observer it will lead to the same PR problems whole scale deletion would have. I would say that PR-wise the smartest thing to do is to have the old content stay exactly as it is. Then again DM has often initiated moves that were cleary misguided PR-wise (e.g squirrel busters, Jenny at LAX).
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Victoria
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Ive lost track of the thread, but this is the most excellent ballad Spike Robinson has written for Marty, hahahaha.
https://youtu.be/JtNlaNMBMdM
https://youtu.be/JtNlaNMBMdM
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Hey, on the brighter side, years after blowing the Sea Org,
Marty finally found a post that he is actually good at. . .
SCIENTOLOGY KOAN DU JOUR
If someone's post product & statistic is LIES
and they report that they are super UPSTAT--
Are their stats actually up or are they LYING?
However, if they are lying about their STATS
because they are actually DOWNSTAT,
wouldn't that lie be counted in their STATS,
making them UPSTAT?
Marty finally found a post that he is actually good at. . .
SCIENTOLOGY KOAN DU JOUR
If someone's post product & statistic is LIES
and they report that they are super UPSTAT--
Are their stats actually up or are they LYING?
However, if they are lying about their STATS
because they are actually DOWNSTAT,
wouldn't that lie be counted in their STATS,
making them UPSTAT?
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Type4_PTS
Diamond Invictus SP
Great ballad by Spike Robinson.
If for no other reason, I will never betray the ASC (Anti-Scientology Community) as I don't want her to do one for me.
With regards to you losing track of the thread, no problem, just go back to the last post when you were doing well, and right before that is one that is not understood or misunderstood in need of clearing up.
Boson Wog Stark
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Here's my transcript of Pt. 12 of Marty's review of Leah's show. It's in a purple font. It sounds more halting and funny on the video. I'm going to comment between paragraphs in italics. For those who haven't watched the video, it might be better to just ignore my comments the first time while reading. Let Marty's ramble wash over you.
The tail end of Episode 3, at the AMA, they bring in Karen de la Carriere, who gives a big song and dance about her son and her former husband, who is her claim to fame, because he was the president of the Church of Scientology, who she’s been divorced from for 20 years? More than -- probably 25 years, and yet to this day she clings to as her 15 minutes of fame ticket.
Has Marty got the A&E network mixed up with the American Medical Association? Or does he mean an AMA Reddit forum? The theme of this segment is everyone going after their 15 minutes of fame, except Marty, of course. His fame is longer than 15 minutes. At this rate, might be closer to a trillion years.
And I think it’s appropriate to bring up now because the very next episode is about Ron Miscavige, because Ron Miscavige is the father of David Miscavige, who is now a hero in the ASC for turning on his son like a jackal. So she’s here lamenting her son and her previous husband, and we’re about to lionize her, which Karen de la Carriere has done with the rest of ASC -- Ron Miscavige as being a hero for going after his son.
"Jackal, lionize" -- sounds like Marty's talking about Wild Kingdom?
Listen, here’s the level of hypocrisy here. They literally, to a one -- Mike Rinder, the Headleys will come up later, Leah Remini, and I’ve already explained this about -- they all point the finger at their parents for quote unquote ‘getting them into Scientology in the first place,’ and that they’re all rational, straight people, that were subjected to this by their evil parents, right?
And so, but Ron, who’s the parent of David, since he’s on the ASC side and going after Scientology -- don’t apply to him. That rule, he’s the exception. He’s an exception, okay? He’s an exception to the rule. But he wasn’t always, because when he was on the inside, or perceived to be on the inside and he wasn’t out stabbing his son in the back, Karen de la Carriere offered me huge sums of cash to publicize on my blog an accusation that she made that Ron Miscavige confessed to her that he, indeed, raped a woman -- that he was indicted for-but charged with, but not indicted or convicted for, many years earlier.
Marty doesn't mention that he's also an exception. His parents didn't get him into Scientology. So what's his excuse?
Marty makes no mention that Ron covered all this stuff about the rape in his book. In general, it's difficult to tell whether Marty is talking about Leah's show, Ron's book, something someone said to him in person or via e-mail, or something he read somewhere. Also, I doubt whether Karen mentioned the Ron rape frecas to Marty more than once or twice, and it was probably in the context of wanting him to get the real story through his connections and contacts. Karen probably knew that there was an accusation that Ron had raped a woman, and that the Church or Miscavige had stepped in to get him out of it.
And as I do with anybody who wants to pay to play, and purchase what I have to say or not say, I told her no, okay? That was four or five years ago, right? So [laughs], I’m just saying she’s on Episode 3 as the cleanup for Paulette Cooper, ranting and raving about the atrocities of father-son -- mother-son relationships. But they don’t tell you that she’s the woman that tried to pay me to publish that Ron Miscavige Sr. confessed to having raped a woman. Okay. It’s just, it gets busy and it gets twisted.
WTF? Cleanup? LOL How could anyone possibly understand what Marty is babbling about?
Because the next episode is Ron Miscavige, who is now a hero, and his 15 minutes of fame come by condemning his child from the womb. And again, we have this propaganda by omission. We just -- just as, from the beginning they omit Scientology and what it does and what it’s about and what it’s for, they omit that entirely. With Ron Miscavige, we omit the first 16 years of David’s life, and it begins by, he says, he came right out of the blocks one day when he was 16 and said, “Dad, I want to go join the Sea Organization.” Okay?
...condemning his child from the womb. That wasn't in Ron's book.
Now this not withstanding the fact that Ron Miscavige has been on record for 19, almost 20 years now, with a publication in Florida, where he gave the whole background leading up to that decision, when David was 16, which also included a miraculous cure of a chronic asthma problem, which dealt with a lot of childhood travail and problems. All of a sudden, that’s gone and omitted. To make it sound bizarre and queer, all of sudden he says, when Dave -- the kid just pops out of bed and says, “I want to go join the Sea Org,” and he left, okay?
What publication in Florida? Why doesn't he name the damn publication? Was it Freedumb Magazine? Also, it makes it sound like Ron does not talk about David's asthma cure in the book, which is dealt with extensively. I think I know what Marty is getting at, but it is splitting hairs, a minor point.
Uh, he omits that Ron Miscavige considered, at that time encouraged it, that Ron Miscavige considered -- they didn’t position it like he was resistive somehow. No, he encouraged it. He thought it was the greatest honor you could possibly have was to be in the Church’s Sea Organization, okay?
If anybody, he felt -- you know, and we know in retrospect, that of course, he would -- that it would redowned (reknowned? LOL) his benefit somehow -- somehow, some benefits would inure to him by his son joining at an early age and rising through the ranks. He omits entirely the story that he told -- he’s been on record for for 20 years -- that the 16 year old revelation that David had was really sincerely backed by a concerned by the rampancy of drug in schools and the dead-end nature of where his generation was going. All right? He wanted to do something purposeful. He omits all that.
And so, you know, of all people, Ron Miscavige who acts like, you know, he really digs and understands the philosophical background and depth of Scientology? You know, if it were a natural thing, maybe he would say something about Leah’s pontificating and creation of scripture. But it doesn’t. She just lectures, because this is her gig. Quote, “No spiritual being is the father of another human being. Mother, father, son, daughter roles, all these roles are taken away and Scientology becomes your parent.” End of quote.
So she’s providing scriptural, I guess, justification for Ron turning and piling on his own son, right? Because after all, there is no mother, father, son, daughter relationship in Scientology. Again, chalk it up, and she’s been doing it all along, she literally just created this. She literally just created this. There’s no -- there’s nothing in Scientology that even resembles this and she makes it sound as if this is the actual tenets and holdings of Scientology.
Leah doesn't pretend it's scripture. She just gives people the gist of what's going on, what's behind the control.
[Laughs] So, you know, what’s remarkable is Ron had just gotten off a year world tour doing media stops, and because of the book that he had somebody write for him? He wasn’t -- he couldn’t even write a book. [Laughs] He had somebody else as a quote unquote co-author write the book, right? And he just goes right into the thesbian act with them because, I mean, he told me himself he wrote it in his book. He told it over and over again in I don’t know how many media, about this big harrowing escape he had, this dramatic escape, all the way down to the expressions of the guys he was conning to have to get around in order to get -- right?
Thesbian = gay female thespian? Oh Maaaty! And talk about the ability to write books. The same may be said of Marty as Gore Vidal said of Jacqueline Susann (Valley of the Dolls), "She doesn't write, she types."
Uh, he tells a whole brand new story. Brand new story, never heard of it. It’s not in his book. It’s not in the hours and hours of conversations he had with me. It’s nowhere. All of sudden, he says he got a Kindle from his son, right, for Christmas, and he turned it on and he did a Google search, and all it took was one Google search. Tells you the depth of this guy’s intellect, that all you do is one Google search and he changed -- he reversed his entire life for 80 years, okay?
Sometimes all it takes is one Google search. Marty could learn how to pronounce thespian by doing a Google search, and many other things.
This story is just, was literally invented for this. And I think it was literally invented in order to poke a stick in somebody’s eye because they say it like, what an idiot, what a buffoon Miscavige must be for giving his dad a Kindle without turning off the Google feature, assuming that he ever wanted to turn off the Google -- assuming that somebody was so shallow and unintelligent that it would take one Google search to change their -- change their entire psyche and everything they learned over 80 years.
So, you know, they go through this whole story about PIs allegedly being told by David Miscavige that if his father is having a heart attack during, it’s the stakeout, then don’t call the ambulance, right? You’ve heard this story, right? Well, when Ron told me of this story, I said, “Well, you know,” and I knew he was looking at doing a book and he had already gotten some media on this, I said, “Ron, I guess Rinder must’ve told you by now”-- since I get the impression he’s, you know, part of the partnership on this book deal, because he usually gets a piece of the action on anything like that that’s hot -- “that that never would happen,” since Rinder and I were in positions to know that, that David Miscavige wouldn’t talk to a P -- you know, in my 27 years involved with Scientology, he never talked to a PI, and there’s no reason to believe he would begin after that. Quite the contrary, right?
I think Marty may have covered the nitpick about Miscavige never talking to a PI before, but it's good publicity for Ron's book for Marty to bring up this interesting story. So Miscavige wouldn't talk to a PI, even if he thought his father was having a heart attack? Good to know. What a guy!
Ron was silent, right? But he goes over and tells the story again, right? Interestingly -- what’s interesting about this is when I exposed that, that he was on notice about that, then it was kind of clear that he’s just, um, that he’s just really grandstanding at the expense of his son in order to make a buck and get some fame. Um, this is where the harassment of the ASC really began with a vengeance on me. At this point when I published that, the blackmail, the infiltration, the raising money for P -- they all just went total -- the total treatment that they say Scientology does to others, they went there on this. So, this was kind of central.
The ASC did infiltration, blackmail, and raising money for PIs to follow Marty? The last thing was something it sounded like Marty started to say. LOL. Did the ASC send in Squirrel Busters, too? Okay, on a second reading I guess Marty may be referring to Ron, not himself, but it is very confusing. What would the ASC have to do against Ron?
And what I’m saying is he was on notice that this was an incredible accusation, long before he published it in a book, which was long before he got on this show, and they went ahead with it anyway. And Rinder is the producer and the director, and the guy I told Ron, “If you want to validate what I’m saying, just ask Mike Rinder.”
But he didn’t have the balls to say -- come back to me and say, “Uh, Mike didn’t agree with you.” Or Mike didn’t have the balls to call me and say, “I don’t agree with you.” No, they just, as if nothing happened, they just go with the story, because truth and getting it right has no meaning to them. Ratings, popularity and money, that’s all they care about.
Here’s the reality with Karen de la Carriere. I mean she donated to my blog. She continuously tried to get me to -- tried to influence what I put on my blog. I continuously told her that ain’t ever going to happen. “This is my running account of how I see things, and I don’t do things for effect,” okay?
I picture night and day calls to Marty, "continuously," trying to give him money. How do I get my number to Karen?
Uh, over time, I saw that she redirected a lot of that resource towards Mike Rinder and then to Tony Ortega. And particularly Ortega, I mean she was boasting and bragging to people that she owned Tony Ortega. She was boasting and bragging to people that she owned Mike Rinder, because of the amount of money that she had invested into them, and that she had kept them going, that they were -- I mean, she’s bragged about that -- she’s notorious for bragging about that.
Couldn't have been that notorious. I never heard about it. What a terrible thing, giving people money to encourage them to keep exposing Scientology's abuses.
And so, I think that kind of goes to the why she’s even in there. I mean, if you look at her in that AMA segment, she’s completely non-sequitur. What’s Karen de la Carriere got to do with --? Nothing. She knows nothing about it. Her story has nothing in common with it but she’s paid in heavily to two rungs of the ASC troika cluster, and so that’s the payback.
Is a troika cluster anything like a BT cluster? Can Scientology help with that? Well, I hope on my way to my 15 minutes of fame for transcribing this. I'd like to be part of the troika cluster somehow.
The tail end of Episode 3, at the AMA, they bring in Karen de la Carriere, who gives a big song and dance about her son and her former husband, who is her claim to fame, because he was the president of the Church of Scientology, who she’s been divorced from for 20 years? More than -- probably 25 years, and yet to this day she clings to as her 15 minutes of fame ticket.
Has Marty got the A&E network mixed up with the American Medical Association? Or does he mean an AMA Reddit forum? The theme of this segment is everyone going after their 15 minutes of fame, except Marty, of course. His fame is longer than 15 minutes. At this rate, might be closer to a trillion years.
And I think it’s appropriate to bring up now because the very next episode is about Ron Miscavige, because Ron Miscavige is the father of David Miscavige, who is now a hero in the ASC for turning on his son like a jackal. So she’s here lamenting her son and her previous husband, and we’re about to lionize her, which Karen de la Carriere has done with the rest of ASC -- Ron Miscavige as being a hero for going after his son.
"Jackal, lionize" -- sounds like Marty's talking about Wild Kingdom?
Listen, here’s the level of hypocrisy here. They literally, to a one -- Mike Rinder, the Headleys will come up later, Leah Remini, and I’ve already explained this about -- they all point the finger at their parents for quote unquote ‘getting them into Scientology in the first place,’ and that they’re all rational, straight people, that were subjected to this by their evil parents, right?
And so, but Ron, who’s the parent of David, since he’s on the ASC side and going after Scientology -- don’t apply to him. That rule, he’s the exception. He’s an exception, okay? He’s an exception to the rule. But he wasn’t always, because when he was on the inside, or perceived to be on the inside and he wasn’t out stabbing his son in the back, Karen de la Carriere offered me huge sums of cash to publicize on my blog an accusation that she made that Ron Miscavige confessed to her that he, indeed, raped a woman -- that he was indicted for-but charged with, but not indicted or convicted for, many years earlier.
Marty doesn't mention that he's also an exception. His parents didn't get him into Scientology. So what's his excuse?
Marty makes no mention that Ron covered all this stuff about the rape in his book. In general, it's difficult to tell whether Marty is talking about Leah's show, Ron's book, something someone said to him in person or via e-mail, or something he read somewhere. Also, I doubt whether Karen mentioned the Ron rape frecas to Marty more than once or twice, and it was probably in the context of wanting him to get the real story through his connections and contacts. Karen probably knew that there was an accusation that Ron had raped a woman, and that the Church or Miscavige had stepped in to get him out of it.
And as I do with anybody who wants to pay to play, and purchase what I have to say or not say, I told her no, okay? That was four or five years ago, right? So [laughs], I’m just saying she’s on Episode 3 as the cleanup for Paulette Cooper, ranting and raving about the atrocities of father-son -- mother-son relationships. But they don’t tell you that she’s the woman that tried to pay me to publish that Ron Miscavige Sr. confessed to having raped a woman. Okay. It’s just, it gets busy and it gets twisted.
WTF? Cleanup? LOL How could anyone possibly understand what Marty is babbling about?
Because the next episode is Ron Miscavige, who is now a hero, and his 15 minutes of fame come by condemning his child from the womb. And again, we have this propaganda by omission. We just -- just as, from the beginning they omit Scientology and what it does and what it’s about and what it’s for, they omit that entirely. With Ron Miscavige, we omit the first 16 years of David’s life, and it begins by, he says, he came right out of the blocks one day when he was 16 and said, “Dad, I want to go join the Sea Organization.” Okay?
...condemning his child from the womb. That wasn't in Ron's book.
Now this not withstanding the fact that Ron Miscavige has been on record for 19, almost 20 years now, with a publication in Florida, where he gave the whole background leading up to that decision, when David was 16, which also included a miraculous cure of a chronic asthma problem, which dealt with a lot of childhood travail and problems. All of a sudden, that’s gone and omitted. To make it sound bizarre and queer, all of sudden he says, when Dave -- the kid just pops out of bed and says, “I want to go join the Sea Org,” and he left, okay?
What publication in Florida? Why doesn't he name the damn publication? Was it Freedumb Magazine? Also, it makes it sound like Ron does not talk about David's asthma cure in the book, which is dealt with extensively. I think I know what Marty is getting at, but it is splitting hairs, a minor point.
Uh, he omits that Ron Miscavige considered, at that time encouraged it, that Ron Miscavige considered -- they didn’t position it like he was resistive somehow. No, he encouraged it. He thought it was the greatest honor you could possibly have was to be in the Church’s Sea Organization, okay?
If anybody, he felt -- you know, and we know in retrospect, that of course, he would -- that it would redowned (reknowned? LOL) his benefit somehow -- somehow, some benefits would inure to him by his son joining at an early age and rising through the ranks. He omits entirely the story that he told -- he’s been on record for for 20 years -- that the 16 year old revelation that David had was really sincerely backed by a concerned by the rampancy of drug in schools and the dead-end nature of where his generation was going. All right? He wanted to do something purposeful. He omits all that.
And so, you know, of all people, Ron Miscavige who acts like, you know, he really digs and understands the philosophical background and depth of Scientology? You know, if it were a natural thing, maybe he would say something about Leah’s pontificating and creation of scripture. But it doesn’t. She just lectures, because this is her gig. Quote, “No spiritual being is the father of another human being. Mother, father, son, daughter roles, all these roles are taken away and Scientology becomes your parent.” End of quote.
So she’s providing scriptural, I guess, justification for Ron turning and piling on his own son, right? Because after all, there is no mother, father, son, daughter relationship in Scientology. Again, chalk it up, and she’s been doing it all along, she literally just created this. She literally just created this. There’s no -- there’s nothing in Scientology that even resembles this and she makes it sound as if this is the actual tenets and holdings of Scientology.
Leah doesn't pretend it's scripture. She just gives people the gist of what's going on, what's behind the control.
[Laughs] So, you know, what’s remarkable is Ron had just gotten off a year world tour doing media stops, and because of the book that he had somebody write for him? He wasn’t -- he couldn’t even write a book. [Laughs] He had somebody else as a quote unquote co-author write the book, right? And he just goes right into the thesbian act with them because, I mean, he told me himself he wrote it in his book. He told it over and over again in I don’t know how many media, about this big harrowing escape he had, this dramatic escape, all the way down to the expressions of the guys he was conning to have to get around in order to get -- right?
Thesbian = gay female thespian? Oh Maaaty! And talk about the ability to write books. The same may be said of Marty as Gore Vidal said of Jacqueline Susann (Valley of the Dolls), "She doesn't write, she types."
Uh, he tells a whole brand new story. Brand new story, never heard of it. It’s not in his book. It’s not in the hours and hours of conversations he had with me. It’s nowhere. All of sudden, he says he got a Kindle from his son, right, for Christmas, and he turned it on and he did a Google search, and all it took was one Google search. Tells you the depth of this guy’s intellect, that all you do is one Google search and he changed -- he reversed his entire life for 80 years, okay?
Sometimes all it takes is one Google search. Marty could learn how to pronounce thespian by doing a Google search, and many other things.
This story is just, was literally invented for this. And I think it was literally invented in order to poke a stick in somebody’s eye because they say it like, what an idiot, what a buffoon Miscavige must be for giving his dad a Kindle without turning off the Google feature, assuming that he ever wanted to turn off the Google -- assuming that somebody was so shallow and unintelligent that it would take one Google search to change their -- change their entire psyche and everything they learned over 80 years.
So, you know, they go through this whole story about PIs allegedly being told by David Miscavige that if his father is having a heart attack during, it’s the stakeout, then don’t call the ambulance, right? You’ve heard this story, right? Well, when Ron told me of this story, I said, “Well, you know,” and I knew he was looking at doing a book and he had already gotten some media on this, I said, “Ron, I guess Rinder must’ve told you by now”-- since I get the impression he’s, you know, part of the partnership on this book deal, because he usually gets a piece of the action on anything like that that’s hot -- “that that never would happen,” since Rinder and I were in positions to know that, that David Miscavige wouldn’t talk to a P -- you know, in my 27 years involved with Scientology, he never talked to a PI, and there’s no reason to believe he would begin after that. Quite the contrary, right?
I think Marty may have covered the nitpick about Miscavige never talking to a PI before, but it's good publicity for Ron's book for Marty to bring up this interesting story. So Miscavige wouldn't talk to a PI, even if he thought his father was having a heart attack? Good to know. What a guy!
Ron was silent, right? But he goes over and tells the story again, right? Interestingly -- what’s interesting about this is when I exposed that, that he was on notice about that, then it was kind of clear that he’s just, um, that he’s just really grandstanding at the expense of his son in order to make a buck and get some fame. Um, this is where the harassment of the ASC really began with a vengeance on me. At this point when I published that, the blackmail, the infiltration, the raising money for P -- they all just went total -- the total treatment that they say Scientology does to others, they went there on this. So, this was kind of central.
The ASC did infiltration, blackmail, and raising money for PIs to follow Marty? The last thing was something it sounded like Marty started to say. LOL. Did the ASC send in Squirrel Busters, too? Okay, on a second reading I guess Marty may be referring to Ron, not himself, but it is very confusing. What would the ASC have to do against Ron?
And what I’m saying is he was on notice that this was an incredible accusation, long before he published it in a book, which was long before he got on this show, and they went ahead with it anyway. And Rinder is the producer and the director, and the guy I told Ron, “If you want to validate what I’m saying, just ask Mike Rinder.”
But he didn’t have the balls to say -- come back to me and say, “Uh, Mike didn’t agree with you.” Or Mike didn’t have the balls to call me and say, “I don’t agree with you.” No, they just, as if nothing happened, they just go with the story, because truth and getting it right has no meaning to them. Ratings, popularity and money, that’s all they care about.
Here’s the reality with Karen de la Carriere. I mean she donated to my blog. She continuously tried to get me to -- tried to influence what I put on my blog. I continuously told her that ain’t ever going to happen. “This is my running account of how I see things, and I don’t do things for effect,” okay?
I picture night and day calls to Marty, "continuously," trying to give him money. How do I get my number to Karen?
Uh, over time, I saw that she redirected a lot of that resource towards Mike Rinder and then to Tony Ortega. And particularly Ortega, I mean she was boasting and bragging to people that she owned Tony Ortega. She was boasting and bragging to people that she owned Mike Rinder, because of the amount of money that she had invested into them, and that she had kept them going, that they were -- I mean, she’s bragged about that -- she’s notorious for bragging about that.
Couldn't have been that notorious. I never heard about it. What a terrible thing, giving people money to encourage them to keep exposing Scientology's abuses.
And so, I think that kind of goes to the why she’s even in there. I mean, if you look at her in that AMA segment, she’s completely non-sequitur. What’s Karen de la Carriere got to do with --? Nothing. She knows nothing about it. Her story has nothing in common with it but she’s paid in heavily to two rungs of the ASC troika cluster, and so that’s the payback.
Is a troika cluster anything like a BT cluster? Can Scientology help with that? Well, I hope on my way to my 15 minutes of fame for transcribing this. I'd like to be part of the troika cluster somehow.
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Images being posted on the Bunker - had to share these: 
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That was quite fascinating on many accounts. Not the least of which was that READING Rathbun's double talking gibberish makes it quite clear that he's not saying anything at all, he's simply SLIMING everyone and everything in sight.
Exactly what skunks do to make everyone lose track of what they were doing and go away.
There is no longer any remedy or reprieve available to Rathbun after his video series--in which he tried his hardest to burn so many good people with a tsunami of shameless lies.
Today (after tracking Rathbun's bizarre exploits for nearly a decade--without saying much) is the day that I have finally reached a conclusion for which there now is overwhelming and compelling evidence.
To wit: Rathbun is a lying, corrupt, evil thug.
Personal message to Marty:
No do-overs this time, asshole.
You tried to fuck over others, but in your
megalomaniacal process, you only fucked up
yourself instead! You're stuck in it now.
And this ain't your cute little Sea Org any
more, where delusion is called "reality".
No, pal, it's over for you. Because now
you're on the outside of your ludicrous
bubble where you have no authority,
no status, no prestige and no slightest
influence at any level on the burgeoning
world of Scn. Whistleblowers & Critics.
Because, we run this shit.
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Fucking epic post, sir. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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That I *EVER* *EVER tried in any way to influence Marty's blog or offered him money to influence his blog is complete and absolute OSA Fantasy.
It was Marty that would call me up and say things like "I need a complete new computer system, can I bill it to the Amex Card ?
"I need to go on a trip, airfares will cost X amount of dollars, OK if I bill to the card ?"
Not once, ever did I EVER EVER ask Marty to post anything. The accusations on Ron Miscavige are completely distorted, altered and embellished and his deterioration into this is sad to watch
But here is what I want to say ::::::::::
Marty Rathbun posted on his blog that the cult had sent Monique a DILDO.
Marty called me on on the phone this as it happened to ask if my PI friend could do something.
(The person that ordered the dildo from a sex toy shop did it anonymously and payment could not be traced.)
The dildo was sent to Monique's work address, along with some kind of lesbian/come on letter to a co-worker to embarrass Monique.
Then Monique stated in her own words that the Cult made hate pages stating she was a man who had transgendered to a woman
It was Marty that would call me up and say things like "I need a complete new computer system, can I bill it to the Amex Card ?
"I need to go on a trip, airfares will cost X amount of dollars, OK if I bill to the card ?"
Not once, ever did I EVER EVER ask Marty to post anything. The accusations on Ron Miscavige are completely distorted, altered and embellished and his deterioration into this is sad to watch
But here is what I want to say ::::::::::
Marty Rathbun posted on his blog that the cult had sent Monique a DILDO.
Marty called me on on the phone this as it happened to ask if my PI friend could do something.
(The person that ordered the dildo from a sex toy shop did it anonymously and payment could not be traced.)
The dildo was sent to Monique's work address, along with some kind of lesbian/come on letter to a co-worker to embarrass Monique.
Then Monique stated in her own words that the Cult made hate pages stating she was a man who had transgendered to a woman
MONIQUE RATHBUN:
"From 2010 to the present, the Scientologists have targeted me specifically for harassment. They have worked to drive a wedge between me and my husband, family, and co-workers. Scientology investigators have visited my mother, my father, my former husband, my friends, and my co-workers. The investigators have falsely claimed to all of these contacts that my life is at risk as long as I remain with my husband. These malicious allegations are hateful and distressing.
Presumably because I am a woman, the Defendants seem obsessed with my sexuality. They sent a sex toy to me at my workplace, which was very embarrassing. With their constant surveillance of me, they knew when I was away from the office, at which time they sent flowers to one of my female co-workers with a “romantic” message purporting to be from me. Of course this was distressing to me.
Scientology websites have published bizarre and sometimes vile allegations against me, including false claims that I am a sexual pervert. They have even alleged that I am not even a woman, but a man who has had a secret sex-change operation. So, I have even had my womanhood questioned as part of this sick campaign to inflict maximum emotional distress on me.
"Presumably because I am a woman, the Defendants seem obsessed with my sexuality. They sent a sex toy to me at my workplace, which was very embarrassing. With their constant surveillance of me, they knew when I was away from the office, at which time they sent flowers to one of my female co-workers with a “romantic” message purporting to be from me. Of course this was distressing to me.
Scientology websites have published bizarre and sometimes vile allegations against me, including false claims that I am a sexual pervert. They have even alleged that I am not even a woman, but a man who has had a secret sex-change operation. So, I have even had my womanhood questioned as part of this sick campaign to inflict maximum emotional distress on me.
The question is : Can Marty work WITH and COLLUDE with an entity that shamed his wife in this way ?
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I was thinking about a point Marty makes in Pt. 12 of his criticism of Leah's series, as is transcribed in Post #232 of this thread, or you can watch the video.
He criticizes the ASC for wanting Miscavige's father exposed and humiliated for him having been a suspect in a rape incident years ago, when he was still in the Sea Org, yet the ASC embraces the man as one of their own once he leaves the cult and writes a damning (in part) book about his son.
Along with this, Marty mocks the notion that ex-members who were involved with Scientology want understanding and sympathy that their evil parents got them into it. Yet, from the ASC, David Miscavige not only doesn't get any sympathy for having had his father Ron drag him into Scientology, Ron also isn't regarded as evil, because he writes this book ratting on his son. To Marty that defies logic or fairness.
Well, maybe because Marty wasn't dragged into Scientology by his parents, he is pretending to not understand how big a factor that would be in a Scientology kid's experience and life. And I don't know of any ex-Scientologists who claim that the reason their parents got involved was because they were evil, and therefore attracted to the evil in Scientology.
All ex-Scientologists understand their parents got involved because they had a vulnerability, were in the wrong place at the right time to succumb to Scientology, and end up following its dictates such as disconnection, or just spending a lot of money and time on Scientology, which in Scientology means their children often end up doing a lot of the same thing.
Marty overlooks that the Ron rape incident was never a major focus of criticism of Scientology, Scientologists, or even Ron. It'd kind of a red herring. Ron went into it in depth in his book, which Marty fails to mention.
Marty criticizes Ron for what he said on Leah's show, as if the minutes he were given were enough to go into the detail he did in his book.
The remarkable thing is that by bringing up the Ron/rape incident, talking about Leah's show, mentioning Ron's book, and especially the incident with the PIs who were following Ron Sr., I would think this would all be very intriguing to a Scientologist and make them either go to Google or read Ron's book, or watch Leah's series. Marty throws out all these salacious tidbits but in a way which is so confusing, it seems like it would make a member want more clarity. Isn't David Miscavige the most theta person in the universe? How could his father turn against him like this? Well, read the book and find out.
Did you get the message Marty tried to inject though? One look at Google and you throw away your entire life in Scientology. Of course, that's ridiculous, but googling is a good first step and a way to get more information. Like most ex-members, Ron left because of a whole bunch of factors. The information he found on Google was just helpful in his decision to leave.
Marty brings up the classic Scientology complaint that no program about Scientology, even one that focuses on the abuses and control of Scientology, is complete without devoting equal time or more to the glory of Hubbard's work, much discussion about the philosophy and benefits, their many programs, many new buildings, pieces of drywall used in the construction of those buildings etc.
As he jumps from criticism to criticism, incomprehensible in what he's even referring to at times, he sometimes drops an idea and moves on to something else. You are supposed to get the impression that Marty knows all.
For example, Marty has the preposterous notion that in the hours of talks he had with Ron Sr., he talked about everything. Anything he didn't talk about with Marty but wrote about in his book is a lie.
I can't remember what the post was about exactly, but someone here on ESMB quoted Marty on Hubbard or Scientology and it was one of the best things Marty ever wrote. It was well written, and it also showed a unique insight which seemed like Marty's own. I didn't recognize it as being from a book or from a person who comes up with deep insights, like Helluvahoax or Veda.
Again, I think Marty degenerating into following the cult line in a mass of incomprehensible babble is partly Marty's way of saying, "I'm just doing this for the money." For the first time he probably doesn't care what people say about it or think, because he's being very well paid.
He criticizes the ASC for wanting Miscavige's father exposed and humiliated for him having been a suspect in a rape incident years ago, when he was still in the Sea Org, yet the ASC embraces the man as one of their own once he leaves the cult and writes a damning (in part) book about his son.
Along with this, Marty mocks the notion that ex-members who were involved with Scientology want understanding and sympathy that their evil parents got them into it. Yet, from the ASC, David Miscavige not only doesn't get any sympathy for having had his father Ron drag him into Scientology, Ron also isn't regarded as evil, because he writes this book ratting on his son. To Marty that defies logic or fairness.
Well, maybe because Marty wasn't dragged into Scientology by his parents, he is pretending to not understand how big a factor that would be in a Scientology kid's experience and life. And I don't know of any ex-Scientologists who claim that the reason their parents got involved was because they were evil, and therefore attracted to the evil in Scientology.
All ex-Scientologists understand their parents got involved because they had a vulnerability, were in the wrong place at the right time to succumb to Scientology, and end up following its dictates such as disconnection, or just spending a lot of money and time on Scientology, which in Scientology means their children often end up doing a lot of the same thing.
Marty overlooks that the Ron rape incident was never a major focus of criticism of Scientology, Scientologists, or even Ron. It'd kind of a red herring. Ron went into it in depth in his book, which Marty fails to mention.
Marty criticizes Ron for what he said on Leah's show, as if the minutes he were given were enough to go into the detail he did in his book.
The remarkable thing is that by bringing up the Ron/rape incident, talking about Leah's show, mentioning Ron's book, and especially the incident with the PIs who were following Ron Sr., I would think this would all be very intriguing to a Scientologist and make them either go to Google or read Ron's book, or watch Leah's series. Marty throws out all these salacious tidbits but in a way which is so confusing, it seems like it would make a member want more clarity. Isn't David Miscavige the most theta person in the universe? How could his father turn against him like this? Well, read the book and find out.
Did you get the message Marty tried to inject though? One look at Google and you throw away your entire life in Scientology. Of course, that's ridiculous, but googling is a good first step and a way to get more information. Like most ex-members, Ron left because of a whole bunch of factors. The information he found on Google was just helpful in his decision to leave.
Marty brings up the classic Scientology complaint that no program about Scientology, even one that focuses on the abuses and control of Scientology, is complete without devoting equal time or more to the glory of Hubbard's work, much discussion about the philosophy and benefits, their many programs, many new buildings, pieces of drywall used in the construction of those buildings etc.
As he jumps from criticism to criticism, incomprehensible in what he's even referring to at times, he sometimes drops an idea and moves on to something else. You are supposed to get the impression that Marty knows all.
For example, Marty has the preposterous notion that in the hours of talks he had with Ron Sr., he talked about everything. Anything he didn't talk about with Marty but wrote about in his book is a lie.
I can't remember what the post was about exactly, but someone here on ESMB quoted Marty on Hubbard or Scientology and it was one of the best things Marty ever wrote. It was well written, and it also showed a unique insight which seemed like Marty's own. I didn't recognize it as being from a book or from a person who comes up with deep insights, like Helluvahoax or Veda.
Again, I think Marty degenerating into following the cult line in a mass of incomprehensible babble is partly Marty's way of saying, "I'm just doing this for the money." For the first time he probably doesn't care what people say about it or think, because he's being very well paid.
phenomanon
Canyon
He might have ordered it. There seems to be no bottom to the well of his betrayals.
"What would Ron Do" ???
He threw his wife inder the bus.
"What would Ron Do" ???
He threw his wife inder the bus.