He-man
Hero extraordinary
I don't think Typ4 was ever in support of you, I think you missed his entire point.
Mike "I'm All About the Crimes" Rinder
- Thread starter Alanzo
- Start date
Type4_PTS
Diamond Invictus SP
Heh, that's a question I was going to ask of you. Have a look in the mirror why don't you.
He-man
Hero extraordinary
No disagreement there.
He-man
Hero extraordinary
I just got tired. Sorry. I called him on it instead.
Type4_PTS
Diamond Invictus SP
Yes, who said it's not OK to put up emails about Karen or post details of Alanzo's bankruptcy?
I thought we were all about "free speech" here in the final days.
I thought it was OK to Fair Game our enemies, DOX them, put up character assassinations?
You're not changing the rules NOW are you? I was just about to get warmed up.
Then why did no one report any of the 50+ posts from Out Effix I had to delete this morning, yet I had 30 reported posts of an "attempted" outing of the spammer?
He-man
Hero extraordinary
No... Not you too! I can't handle a third crusade!
Will you give me a 2 week vacation first! Please!
Well you for one. But if you like I can go and undelete the Alanzo post showing the Karen emails. Do you want that?
He-man
Hero extraordinary
I called him on it, went back to work. Came back, called him again, to sleep. When he came on last night I just put him on ignore.
The only thing I saw that I found unwarranted was already said by others and reported.
Like I said. I'm sorry. Didn't think it was the bigger deal. doxxxing, I report. That kinda shit is for real. A spammer banger on the last week? Didn't think too much on it.
EDIT: Also! I thought it was @Out-Ethics! I remember him as a decent person back in the days so I just, well, I didn't wanna rat on him!
Type4_PTS
Diamond Invictus SP
Probably at least 15 or more of the reports were mine. And you ignored them completely for over 24 hours.
Then you still left some up after you "cleaned" the board"
Yeah sorry about that. I had this thing to do called LIFE. Next time I'll be at your beck & call 24 hours a day <deleted>.
So if I missed them then report them. If I don't think they are doxing they won't get deleted.
Type4_PTS
Diamond Invictus SP
I just want you to have one set of rules that apply to ALL members equally.
Alanzo has been spamming the board for a month, creating multiple threads for the same purpose. But you didn't seem to take issue with that.
I didn't report any of HIS spamming either. Everyone could see it.
RogerB
Crusader
Oh, God!
As I have often said, I have a life outside of ESMB . . . example, I run my own forum with a crew of MDs., PhDs and Uni Professor types . . . a lot of work is done daily via Zoom.
The other side of the coin of life is that not only did I myself suffer a compression fracture of my T12 vertebra the evening of 8/22/19 with visits to the Hospital Emergency Room and referrals to appropriate specialist MDs . . . but Sweet Virginia has had me accompanying her (I am her healthcare partner/adviser) on her rounds of the last several months of getting diagnosed and then the selecting of the surgical team (FOUR top flight specialists: a Neurological Surgeon, a Cardiologist, a Gastroenterologist, a Urologist) while rejecting others for the delicate and extensive surgery that will occur October 10. It happens my counsel did save her from a stupid MD directive to get a biopsy that would have been a catastrophic action. Details later for those interested.
So, you should understand I am not on top of everything that gets posted nor am I able to jump to the beck and call of anyone.
And so, to a fulsome reply to Emma’s “Alright then. Fuck it.” post of 9/24 Here: Emma, Tuesday at 7:27 AM #430 wherein she posts screen shot images of two emails sent her by me.
Please pardon the resulting formatting from my copy-paste effort below.
*********
How sad. Alanzo, again, has destroyed a good person . . . this as he destroys everything he touches.
This time it is Emma. This because she has broken a trust that was placed in her by someone who acted to help her.
Sadly for me, I got caught in the middle of the fight between two of my friends that I tried to protect.
EMMA, YOU SHOULD HAVE EMAILED ME SO WE COULD HAVE COME TO A LESS DESTRUCTIVE SOLUTION AND HANDLING ON THIS SCENE . . . INSTEAD, YOU VIOLATED THE TRUST I PLACED IN YOU AFTER I ACTED TO HELP YOU.
In order to put all this into perspective, we need to put all of the data in context and in correct time-line as it was and has been available here on ESMB.
As I have earlier posted, I have a life outside of ESMB and have never been involved with any of the other Ex-Scio Boards. I am on only a couple of Facebook groups.
Firstly, for the last two years, (and I did not know it till this weekend) Alanzo has been pushing on his blog the evil smear created and touted against Karen#1 (her nic here on ESMB) by OSA and the Cof$ . . . I will later in this reply cite some facts to prove false the shit put out by OSA against Karen.
This for me, it is particularly saddening on two fronts: 1) as posted on ESMB, I’ve known Karen for 49 years. We are old horse riding buddies. 2) what is not known to you is the depth of respect and admiration I had for Emma. While I recently posted my admiration for what she had achieved with ESMB, you don’t know that back in 2010 when she was taken into custody for questioning by Police and had her computers impounded as a result false accusations from the cult, the first action I took was to email her directly to pledge $5,000 to help handle her legal bills, and cost of replacing her computer(s), and stated there was more if needed. And further, I acted to liaise with her to pay the monies offered directly to her Lawyer . . . this because a) I hate paying PayPal 3% and b) the sums of money involved in any event would raise alerts in the US banking system and be flagged to the IRS . . . but if sent through PayPal, fuggetaboutit!
And that is the set-up prior to Emma’s post of August 11, 2019, Titled: Emma’s gone mad.
https://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/emmas-gone-mad.50501/
She Wrote:
Then, as we all know . . . the shit hits the fan.
On August 12, Karen announces on a new thread: Karen's leaving
Now we don’t know what was actually said between Emma and Karen . . . that is missing data.
What we now know is that Alanzo had been sliming Karen on the internet using the OSA produced Black PR piece for at least 2 years, and as at this moment, we know Emma has been supporting him and feeding him info given to her in confidence.
At the time, these facts were unknown to me.
Part of the traffic at the time was this:
There was, of course, comment of back channel shit flying about on the internet and Emma stating she was into a “noisy investigation” and yap about OCMB and did or did not Karen and Jeffery get control of it and kill it!!! Emma mentioned she had been put in possession of emails from the ex-community that caused her to get into doing the invest. None of this interested me and I had nothing to do with it. It was BEFORE I exchanged any emails with Emma.
The next event on this parade was my post, dated September 15, on the thread Moderator DOF? Here:
https://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/moderator-dof.50725/page-3#post-1227546
This intended to put him in his place with some good advice.
To be noted is that Alanzo was not outed by me here. Everyone and his dog, cat and canary knows Alanzo is Allen Stanfield . . . he himself has revealed that on ESMB at least three times to my knowledge.
This link is one such occasion: https://exscn.net/forum/threads/alan-walter-anecdotes.15114/#post-341396 dated December 4, 2009.
And here is Magoo’s hilarious response . . . note it was made six years later!!:
And, to be honest, if you want to know WTF about ANYONE, you Google them . . . it’s public knowledge, my Dears. But since this is now all out as a result of Emma’s breach of trust . . . you can Google Allen Stanfield . . . but to save you having to work your way through the list of other guys with the same name, be more specific with your search criteria try:
Allen Stanfield “bankruptcy”
Then, following my post on Alanzo’s stupid bankruptcy, Emma, following her initial post on the Moderator DOF? thread, Emma then emailed me. Here is the traffic. Note that it is complete: no omissions or highlights for “effect.”
This is where I had to make a judgement call . . . should I reveal the source of my info???
I decided truth is truth, and we should live with and by it. And hence I decided to trust Emma with the info. Little did I know Jeffery was a long term opponent of hers operating under various aliases on different other ex-Scio forums I had never visited.
At this stage I am feeling very uneasy. I am remembering the earlier traffic on ESMB about emails and back channeling occurring out in the ex-Scio to discredit folks.
Here we get into sorting out the missing email. I reply . . . . note, my answers I slot into Emma’s long email are in red so the answers apply to the points as she makes them. It’s a habit I’ve gotten into when dealing with the guys on my forum.
Here you will note I was not at the time aware of Alanzo’s use of and promotion of the OSA Dead Agenting bullshit against Karen. Note I only refer to the 3rd Party action by him of publishing (and I don’t know where) Emma’s confidential comment to him of her “control freak” thing as noted above.
(Here we were, trying to save the universe from the follies of humanity, and humanity’s claimed greatest triumph, the internet, was fugging with us!! I’m pretty easy going, but God of All Gremlins, knock-it-off!
)
*************************
Next came the drama created by YOU, Dear Emma, as noted by some others as I see now I have had a chance to catch up this morning (9/25/19)
Though this is not likely to get posted till tomorrow as Sweet V and I have a trip to her lead surgeon this afternoon (it’s now 1:09pm as I type . . . all that copy-paste above is time consuming!!). (Update, just returned from long, long meeting with MD: 4:50pm. Big new news. His team has expanded to the point that this morning the whole expanded gang had one of those “Conference” things with all of the talent at this teaching hospital to go over the whole scene based on most recent imaging of Sweet V (“with contrast) . . . .)
Emma, I did see your needling, needling, needling posts calling for whom ever sent the emails: “to show some balls,” and such . . . I did not know you specifically were referring to my emails as you had earlier mentioned other shit than mine.
The truth is, you were referring to multiple emails sent to and received by MULTIPLE terminals.
I exchanged emails ONLY with you. So how could I know who or what emails you referred to?
Here is an exchange between JustShiela and you:
TWO WHOLE PEOPLE GOT AN EMAIL?
Note this last statement: Emma says, “No Sheila, two people confirmed and forwarded the email to me. A LOT of people got that email. Were you one of them?”
As the above record of my exchange with Emma shows and proves, I only exchanged emails with Emma. The shit referred to by Emma and Sheila was not mine, unless Emma was lying and running a deliberate shit stirring smear campaign.
The reason I remained silent was at the specific request of Karen . . . and you know why. It’s called the Streisand Effect. You know what that is. We had a thread on it once. The more we fed this Alanzo monster, the more traffic gets drawn to his blog where he runs his OSA created shit to besmirch her. She, like any decent person, just wanted the noise to cool down.
But YOU kept stirring it up!
So on the one hand, at her request, I remained silent; but on the other hand I was not only not certain whose or which email(s) you were needling on about, I was up to my bloody eyeballs with other more urgent traffic.
But worse, I was handicapped by time restraints and demands of other priorities. ESMB is not my priority in life. I do not live for it. I’m like DullOldFart . . . I’m here because I feel I can help folks (see my very first post on ESMB) and for the camaraderie of those who are the good souls here.
YOU SHOULD HAVE EMAILED ME!- But instead you continued to stir shit on ESMB out of sight of me!
My first action every morning is the emails traffic, and I check in as a priority several times during the day.
You even have posted that you shared “the emails” with Alanzo!!!!
That is stupid, irresponsible and, in the circumstances, a gross violation of trust.
And now you have pulled this stunt of outing the content of my confidential attempt to help you . . . How sad that you and your ESMB goes down in flames like this.
And all for the failure to email me so we could work together to have had it differently.
I recommend you get the snake out of your life and honor the good and true friends you have earned and made.
Ummm, and I hope I don’t see this response of mine vanished . . . believe me, if it does, it will appear elsewhere with compound interest. Discuss it, challenge it, falsify it if you can (I am open to correction) . . . but do not vanish it.
It happens my honor and good name is at stake.
Truth is truth . . . as I said above: “It is something we need to live with” . . . though it is equally true, the negative or even destructive expressions of it, need not persist.
I want to see my two friends dealt with in this ditty reunited in the friendship they deserve, and have in the past expressed (and I hope that expression was honest). Get the shit stirrers out of your lives, or under control, and live shit free.
RogerB
As I have often said, I have a life outside of ESMB . . . example, I run my own forum with a crew of MDs., PhDs and Uni Professor types . . . a lot of work is done daily via Zoom.
The other side of the coin of life is that not only did I myself suffer a compression fracture of my T12 vertebra the evening of 8/22/19 with visits to the Hospital Emergency Room and referrals to appropriate specialist MDs . . . but Sweet Virginia has had me accompanying her (I am her healthcare partner/adviser) on her rounds of the last several months of getting diagnosed and then the selecting of the surgical team (FOUR top flight specialists: a Neurological Surgeon, a Cardiologist, a Gastroenterologist, a Urologist) while rejecting others for the delicate and extensive surgery that will occur October 10. It happens my counsel did save her from a stupid MD directive to get a biopsy that would have been a catastrophic action. Details later for those interested.
So, you should understand I am not on top of everything that gets posted nor am I able to jump to the beck and call of anyone.
And so, to a fulsome reply to Emma’s “Alright then. Fuck it.” post of 9/24 Here: Emma, Tuesday at 7:27 AM #430 wherein she posts screen shot images of two emails sent her by me.
Please pardon the resulting formatting from my copy-paste effort below.
*********
How sad. Alanzo, again, has destroyed a good person . . . this as he destroys everything he touches.
This time it is Emma. This because she has broken a trust that was placed in her by someone who acted to help her.
Sadly for me, I got caught in the middle of the fight between two of my friends that I tried to protect.
EMMA, YOU SHOULD HAVE EMAILED ME SO WE COULD HAVE COME TO A LESS DESTRUCTIVE SOLUTION AND HANDLING ON THIS SCENE . . . INSTEAD, YOU VIOLATED THE TRUST I PLACED IN YOU AFTER I ACTED TO HELP YOU.
In order to put all this into perspective, we need to put all of the data in context and in correct time-line as it was and has been available here on ESMB.
As I have earlier posted, I have a life outside of ESMB and have never been involved with any of the other Ex-Scio Boards. I am on only a couple of Facebook groups.
Firstly, for the last two years, (and I did not know it till this weekend) Alanzo has been pushing on his blog the evil smear created and touted against Karen#1 (her nic here on ESMB) by OSA and the Cof$ . . . I will later in this reply cite some facts to prove false the shit put out by OSA against Karen.
This for me, it is particularly saddening on two fronts: 1) as posted on ESMB, I’ve known Karen for 49 years. We are old horse riding buddies. 2) what is not known to you is the depth of respect and admiration I had for Emma. While I recently posted my admiration for what she had achieved with ESMB, you don’t know that back in 2010 when she was taken into custody for questioning by Police and had her computers impounded as a result false accusations from the cult, the first action I took was to email her directly to pledge $5,000 to help handle her legal bills, and cost of replacing her computer(s), and stated there was more if needed. And further, I acted to liaise with her to pay the monies offered directly to her Lawyer . . . this because a) I hate paying PayPal 3% and b) the sums of money involved in any event would raise alerts in the US banking system and be flagged to the IRS . . . but if sent through PayPal, fuggetaboutit!
And that is the set-up prior to Emma’s post of August 11, 2019, Titled: Emma’s gone mad.
https://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/emmas-gone-mad.50501/
She Wrote:
In January I asked Karen if she wanted to take over. After considering it she agreed. I was to make her a moderator so she could learn the ropes. I knew the server was paid for until late in the year so there wasn't any great hurry and time went by and I didn't action anything.
Fast forward to a few weeks ago. I checked the account at the service provider and found that the service expires September 3rd. I mentioned this to Alanzo and that I'd better get back in contact with Karen to see if the deal is still on. But before I had a chance to do that Alanzo posted something to Facebook telling people that Karen was taking over. In that post he said that I thought Karen was a control freak. Karen was right on it. She messaged me on Facebook asking if it was true. I told her that yes I had told Alanzo she was taking over, and yes I think she is a control freak. She wasn't happy. I can understand that but I wasn't going to lie. She also wasn't happy that I'd been in contact with Alanzo. I had trouble understanding why that was her business so I explained to her what I have explained to you in this post. I'm still not sure why that would be anyone's concern, but there you go. I asked her if she still wanted the board and after a a lot of questions she reluctantly said yes. I didn't give her much choice to be honest.
The only options in my mind at that time were:
1. Hand it over and walk away completely
2. Make a complete backup of the database, get a database expert to remove the PMs and IP addresses and make it available for download somewhere so historians can access it.
So Karen agreed to take it over.
A day or two later Karen told me she had reconsidered because she was concerned about being bullbaited by some members of ESMB who had publicly criticised her on Facebook, Alanzo being one of them.
Then, as we all know . . . the shit hits the fan.
On August 12, Karen announces on a new thread: Karen's leaving
Now we don’t know what was actually said between Emma and Karen . . . that is missing data.
What we now know is that Alanzo had been sliming Karen on the internet using the OSA produced Black PR piece for at least 2 years, and as at this moment, we know Emma has been supporting him and feeding him info given to her in confidence.
At the time, these facts were unknown to me.
Part of the traffic at the time was this:
JustSheila said: ↑
Geez Emma, I know you’ve been through a lot lately, but that wasn’t cool.
I replied:
It wasn't Emma that caused the fracture . . . it is the result of Alanzo's evil . . .
Emma privately expressed a feeling . . . Alanzo used it to cause strife.
What's new in Alanzo's life?
There was, of course, comment of back channel shit flying about on the internet and Emma stating she was into a “noisy investigation” and yap about OCMB and did or did not Karen and Jeffery get control of it and kill it!!! Emma mentioned she had been put in possession of emails from the ex-community that caused her to get into doing the invest. None of this interested me and I had nothing to do with it. It was BEFORE I exchanged any emails with Emma.
The next event on this parade was my post, dated September 15, on the thread Moderator DOF? Here:
https://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/moderator-dof.50725/page-3#post-1227546
freethinker said: ↑
You don't have a view, you have an agenda.
Yes, and it is demonstrably that of the negating, making nothing of, putting down, manipulating of and/or the destruction of all you he touches.
Indeed, I find it quite amazing that for a guy who has declared himself bankrupt he spends SO MUCH TIME stalking good folks here. Strikes me that a more intelligent and productive use of time would be to go earn $$$$'s instead of spreading shit here.
This intended to put him in his place with some good advice.
To be noted is that Alanzo was not outed by me here. Everyone and his dog, cat and canary knows Alanzo is Allen Stanfield . . . he himself has revealed that on ESMB at least three times to my knowledge.
This link is one such occasion: https://exscn.net/forum/threads/alan-walter-anecdotes.15114/#post-341396 dated December 4, 2009.
And here is Magoo’s hilarious response . . . note it was made six years later!!:
Magoo said: ↑
Two things:
OMG: Allen Stanfield is Alanzo?
And you are from Bloomington, IL?
I think I know you.
Secondly............ok, I'm waaaaaaaaaaay late on this thread (Aug 2015 to be exact)
But come on..........you were given ONE process and it changed your life, forever, and you're
not going to tell us what it is?
What?
Tory/Magoo
And, to be honest, if you want to know WTF about ANYONE, you Google them . . . it’s public knowledge, my Dears. But since this is now all out as a result of Emma’s breach of trust . . . you can Google Allen Stanfield . . . but to save you having to work your way through the list of other guys with the same name, be more specific with your search criteria try:
Allen Stanfield “bankruptcy”
Then, following my post on Alanzo’s stupid bankruptcy, Emma, following her initial post on the Moderator DOF? thread, Emma then emailed me. Here is the traffic. Note that it is complete: no omissions or highlights for “effect.”
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Is Alanzo Bankrupt
From: Michelle Ryan <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, September 15, 2019 10:07 am
To [email protected]"
<
Hi Rog,
I saw your post. What can you tell me about this? This is concerning.
Love,
Emma xx
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Not knowing what her “concern” was, I replied:
From: [email protected]>
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 12:56 AM
To: Michelle <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt
Sweetness,
Attached official notice.
Alanzo applied to me in his real name (he had outed himself on ESMB earlier) to become friends after he was banned back in the bad ol' days.
I, personally, would not let the bastard near me even if he was sanitized and sealed in a hazmat suit. The bastard is a mind-bending snake.
Hence, I was alerted when you wrote that that he'd contacted/approached you and helped you recover some "sanity" . . . the rest, as they say is history.
The only info I have on the bankruptcy is as per the attached official doc.
Love to you . . .
Rog
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Emma replied:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt
From: Michelle <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, September 15, 2019 11:23 am
To: "[email protected]"
Hi Rog,
Wow. So how did you find this out? Are you sure this is a legit document?
Cheers,
Em
__________________This is where I had to make a judgement call . . . should I reveal the source of my info???
I decided truth is truth, and we should live with and by it. And hence I decided to trust Emma with the info. Little did I know Jeffery was a long term opponent of hers operating under various aliases on different other ex-Scio forums I had never visited.
From: [email protected] >
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 1:49 AM
To: Michelle <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt
It was sent to me by Jeffery, Karen's fellow. As you know, Karen and I have been close since our days in London circa 1970. I don't abandon friends and good guys.
Hence, it saddened me greatly that Alanzo caused you two to publicly break-up by his betraying your confidence in him regarding your feelings of her being a "control freak" . . .
I have not bothered to go to the court records to verify the doc . . . I can't see someone going to the trouble of fraudulently creating that monster multi-page thing. Alanzo is NOT important enough to do so.
To be honest, I've had the doc for some months or so and ignored it till now. But the Alanzo is out of control and needs shutting down.
Rog
__________
Next Emma made a request I could not/would not comply to:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt
From: Michelle Ryan <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, September 15, 2019 11:58 am
To: "[email protected]"
Hi Rog,
Are you able to send me the original email? I want to know if there is anything else I’m missing because this is the first I’m hearing of this. I’m wondering what else there is that I don’t know.
Thanks,
Mish xx
_________________At this stage I am feeling very uneasy. I am remembering the earlier traffic on ESMB about emails and back channeling occurring out in the ex-Scio to discredit folks.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt
From: <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, September 15, 2019 1:23 pm
To: "Michelle Ryan" <[email protected]>
Sweetness,
I know you'll understand that it is/would be difficult for me to forward traffic in these circumstances.
I say this in the context I know you would not want me to forward your confidences in me to another.
In simple terms, I have not been put in possession of any info that is not already known history on ESMB . . . example Jeffery reminded me of your background of work for OSA that you had posted here: https://exscn.net/forum/threads/me-patty-osa-gavino-those-logs.3243/
back in Emma, Jan 9, 2008
All else in the email is opinion about the future of ESMB now that Alanzo has polluted it.
Personally, I applaud your honesty in all you have done and posted.
One thing I can and will say, this because it is an item of truth that I think might help you guys, Karen did express to me herself directly, her disappointment that her honest offer of financial (?) help has been publicly misconstrued as an OSA tactic employed to put you in debt and gain control of you.
I can vouch for Karen's honest good charity towards others . . .
You are now aware of the totality of what has been communicated to me.
I sincerely hope it puts your mind to rest so you can focus on more important and profitable things.
Love xxxx
Rog
_____________________
The following email of the sequence might seem weird, but it is the truth of what happened.
From: [email protected] <>
Sent: Monday, 16 September 2019 8:16 PM
To: Michelle Ryan <[email protected]>
Subject: [FWD: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt]
Sweetness, presumably you got this? You are usually so precise in your comm-cycle, I am wondering if this went astray . . . I have been having trouble with my system and email app.
Rog xxx
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt
From: <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, September 15, 2019 1:23 pm
To: "Michelle Ryan" <[email protected]>
Sweetness,
I know you'll understand that it is/would be difficult for me to forward traffic in these circumstances.
I say this in the context I know you would not want me to forward your confidences in me to another.
In simple terms, I have not been put in possession of any info that is not already known history on ESMB . . . example Jeffery reminded me of your background of work for OSA that you had posted here: https://exscn.net/forum/threads/me-patty-osa-gavino-those-logs.3243/
back in Emma, Jan 9, 2008
All else in the email is opinion about the future of ESMB now that Alanzo has polluted it.
Personally, I applaud your honesty in all you have done and posted.
One thing I can and will say, this because it is an item of truth that I think might help you guys, Karen did express to me herself directly, her disappointment that her honest offer of financial (?) help has been publicly misconstrued as an OSA tactic employed to put you in debt and gain control of you.
I can vouch for Karen's honest good charity towards others . . .
You are now aware of the totality of what has been communicated to me.
I sincerely hope it puts your mind to rest so you can focus on more important and profitable things.
Love xxxx
Rog
Emma replied:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [FWD: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt]
From: Michelle <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, September 16, 2019 6:27 am
To: "[email protected]"
>
Hi Rog, no I never got this.
One thing I want to correct…I never said that Karen offering financial support was an OSA tactic. I never said it and I don’t believe it. To me Karen expected “compliance” and I felt obligated to comply when asked because of previous “favours” or “gifts”. Its hard to explain. I did find it a relief to get out from her control, whether it was just perceived or actual.
Jeffrey will be trying hard to discredit me. I knew that would happen and I don’t care. I’ve been honest with my history and those threads are public for anyone to find. I’ve referred to them myself many times. There are no other secrets. But he has other secrets. He is scared I’ll expose them, that’s all. So dead agent me first is how it works.
Rog, trust Karen, but not Jeffrey. He is not who he seems. Why would he go to all that trouble to pay for financial records of Alanzo? Isn’t that taking things just a bit too far? Aside from all else, Alanzo is still an ex and still trying to climb out of it like we all are. Jeffrey is not an ex. He is a liar. He is also ruthless.
Ok, so thanks for the emails. I appreciate you telling me what you did.
Love,
Mish
_____________
Here we get into sorting out the missing email. I reply . . . . note, my answers I slot into Emma’s long email are in red so the answers apply to the points as she makes them. It’s a habit I’ve gotten into when dealing with the guys on my forum.
Here you will note I was not at the time aware of Alanzo’s use of and promotion of the OSA Dead Agenting bullshit against Karen. Note I only refer to the 3rd Party action by him of publishing (and I don’t know where) Emma’s confidential comment to him of her “control freak” thing as noted above.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [FWD: RE: [FWD: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt]]
From: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, September 16, 2019 4:51 pm
To: "Michelle >
OK, This resend is of my this morning answer in case this also screws up.
Checking the attachments to the failure notice just sent shows it was the earlier not delivered comm.
R
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [FWD: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt]
From: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, September 16, 2019 8:19 am
To: "Michelle >
Thanks . . . I dunno what is what with this email app. My MS Outlook won't send, so I use my Godaddy web host app. See below . . . in red
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Subject: RE: [FWD: RE: Is Alanzo Bankrupt]
From: Michelle Ryan <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, September 16, 2019 6:27 am
To: [email protected]"
Hi Rog, no I never got this.
One thing I want to correct…I never said that Karen offering financial support was an OSA tactic. I never said it and I don’t believe it. To me Karen expected “compliance” and I felt obligated to comply when asked because of previous “favours” or “gifts”. Its hard to explain. I did find it a relief to get out from her control, whether it was just perceived or actual.
Very much understood. She does have a way of "impressing her will." There has been so much shit flying, I dunno where I got the idea that the offer of financial help was an OSA tactic, though I do remember those words . . . maybe an Alanzo scribe?
Jeffrey will be trying hard to discredit me. I knew that would happen and I don’t care. I’ve been honest with my history and those threads are public for anyone to find. I’ve referred to them myself many times. There are no other secrets. But he has other secrets. He is scared I’ll expose them, that’s all. So dead agent me first is how it works.
Oh yes. Understood. Jeffery I know nothing of . . . and don't need any more junk in my head As regards you, I am sure you understand you have my utter support and trust.
Rog, trust Karen, but not Jeffrey. He is not who he seems. Why would he go to all that trouble to pay for financial records of Alanzo? Isn’t that taking things just a bit too far? Aside from all else, Alanzo is still an ex and still trying to climb out of it like we all are. Jeffrey is not an ex. He is a liar. He is also ruthless.
Yes, Karen is much an abused and wounded little lady. She is a fighter and honest. The problem with having been in the cult and been brutalized by it is that one can become a little sensitive and too speedily reactive against things one perceives as against one's interests.
As regards Jeffery, I have no knowledge and don't care. I don't know that it was his initiative to send me the info on you . . . what I do know historically is that Karen does use and direct Jeffery to handle a lot of this type of computer traffic . . . example: whenever I've had to have a Skype conversation with her, she has to have or order him to set the session up for her . . . which point I have found "strange."
She is obviously very upset following the 3rd party thing by Alanzo . . . and I can understand her incorrectly acting (and involving Jeffery to act on her behalf) to "dead agent" a perceived opponent. It's all crazy kult reaction.
What Jeff's background and motives are, I don't know nor really care, but do take your good advice.
Ok, so thanks for the emails. I appreciate you telling me what you did.
Thanks. And I know you understand it would not be an ideal for me to be willy-nilly punching off private traffic. I saw that in the way in which you asked "if I could."
You do have all the info send me that refers to you and Alanzo.
Rog xxxx
Love,
Mish
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Subject: Message Delivery Failure
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, September 16, 2019 2:05 pm
To: [email protected]
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
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_______(Here we were, trying to save the universe from the follies of humanity, and humanity’s claimed greatest triumph, the internet, was fugging with us!! I’m pretty easy going, but God of All Gremlins, knock-it-off!
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Next came the drama created by YOU, Dear Emma, as noted by some others as I see now I have had a chance to catch up this morning (9/25/19)
Though this is not likely to get posted till tomorrow as Sweet V and I have a trip to her lead surgeon this afternoon (it’s now 1:09pm as I type . . . all that copy-paste above is time consuming!!). (Update, just returned from long, long meeting with MD: 4:50pm. Big new news. His team has expanded to the point that this morning the whole expanded gang had one of those “Conference” things with all of the talent at this teaching hospital to go over the whole scene based on most recent imaging of Sweet V (“with contrast) . . . .)
Emma, I did see your needling, needling, needling posts calling for whom ever sent the emails: “to show some balls,” and such . . . I did not know you specifically were referring to my emails as you had earlier mentioned other shit than mine.
The truth is, you were referring to multiple emails sent to and received by MULTIPLE terminals.
I exchanged emails ONLY with you. So how could I know who or what emails you referred to?
Here is an exchange between JustShiela and you:
Emma said: ↑
Isn't this interesting.
Such hysteria when I mention the dreaded email. I know who sent it, I know what's on it and I know who got it.
2 people confirmed it.
Who is going to have the balls to say they got it?
TWO WHOLE PEOPLE GOT AN EMAIL?
Time for an Interrogatory! String em up, comm ev em, send em to the decks!
Who cares, Emma? I mean... seriously. People send emails. SO FRIGGIN WHAT. Be above that. It doesn't matter. And NO, I did NOT get an email.
"Looking back on it I think I got these gains only because the processing made me self reflect and try to repair the damage done by it. So I made gains in spite of Scientology not because of it. It's better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not."
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No Sheila, two people confirmed and forwarded the email to me. A LOT of people got that email. Were you one of them?
Note this last statement: Emma says, “No Sheila, two people confirmed and forwarded the email to me. A LOT of people got that email. Were you one of them?”
As the above record of my exchange with Emma shows and proves, I only exchanged emails with Emma. The shit referred to by Emma and Sheila was not mine, unless Emma was lying and running a deliberate shit stirring smear campaign.
The reason I remained silent was at the specific request of Karen . . . and you know why. It’s called the Streisand Effect. You know what that is. We had a thread on it once. The more we fed this Alanzo monster, the more traffic gets drawn to his blog where he runs his OSA created shit to besmirch her. She, like any decent person, just wanted the noise to cool down.
But YOU kept stirring it up!
So on the one hand, at her request, I remained silent; but on the other hand I was not only not certain whose or which email(s) you were needling on about, I was up to my bloody eyeballs with other more urgent traffic.
But worse, I was handicapped by time restraints and demands of other priorities. ESMB is not my priority in life. I do not live for it. I’m like DullOldFart . . . I’m here because I feel I can help folks (see my very first post on ESMB) and for the camaraderie of those who are the good souls here.
YOU SHOULD HAVE EMAILED ME!- But instead you continued to stir shit on ESMB out of sight of me!
My first action every morning is the emails traffic, and I check in as a priority several times during the day.
You even have posted that you shared “the emails” with Alanzo!!!!
That is stupid, irresponsible and, in the circumstances, a gross violation of trust.
And now you have pulled this stunt of outing the content of my confidential attempt to help you . . . How sad that you and your ESMB goes down in flames like this.
And all for the failure to email me so we could work together to have had it differently.
I recommend you get the snake out of your life and honor the good and true friends you have earned and made.
Ummm, and I hope I don’t see this response of mine vanished . . . believe me, if it does, it will appear elsewhere with compound interest. Discuss it, challenge it, falsify it if you can (I am open to correction) . . . but do not vanish it.
It happens my honor and good name is at stake.
Truth is truth . . . as I said above: “It is something we need to live with” . . . though it is equally true, the negative or even destructive expressions of it, need not persist.
I want to see my two friends dealt with in this ditty reunited in the friendship they deserve, and have in the past expressed (and I hope that expression was honest). Get the shit stirrers out of your lives, or under control, and live shit free.
RogerB
Type4_PTS
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He-man
Hero extraordinary
Don't worry about it. It's the fact that some doxxing is ok but other doxxing isn't, and some spamming is ok and some spamming isn't.
