Police Raid Church of Scientology in Turin, Italy
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English article by ANSA.it news agency
This article was posted in English by the Italian news agency ANSA:
Turin police raid Scientology chapter - News in English - ANSA.it
This article was posted in English by the Italian news agency ANSA:
Turin police raid Scientology chapter - News in English - ANSA.it
Anyone Pm'ed Michel to let him know?
Plus he can keep an eye on any further developments for other orgs in Italia.
If you have any contact details for various district police in Italy send them the link or offer your services for translating or helping with documents etc.
Plus he can keep an eye on any further developments for other orgs in Italia.
If you have any contact details for various district police in Italy send them the link or offer your services for translating or helping with documents etc.
Arthur Dent
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Geez! The fun doesn't end! This is incredible!
I would hope there are Italian exes volunteering to decipher the cryptic scn. shorthand for the Judiciary.
I lost my party mode after watching the second vid yesterday...very depressing content.
But, I think I'm back now!!!
The hits just keep on comin'!
I would hope there are Italian exes volunteering to decipher the cryptic scn. shorthand for the Judiciary.
I lost my party mode after watching the second vid yesterday...very depressing content.
But, I think I'm back now!!!
The hits just keep on comin'!
Arthur Dent
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How about Washington??
Wouldn't be surprised if the raids start today within hours!
I'm sure the gov't monitors world wide news of scn., not to mention web sites like this one.
Knowing what was found in Turin, they would be absolute fools not to raid.
Whitedove
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How about Washington??
Wouldn't be surprised if the raids start today within hours!
I'm sure the gov't monitors world wide news of scn., not to mention web sites like this one.
Knowing what was found in Turin, they would be absolute fools not to raid.
I totally agree! That was my tought exactly!
I so hope this will have a worldwide ripple effect!
Imagine, ALL orgs in the world being raided and 'secret files' being taken and examined! OMG!
Alanzo
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How about Washington??
Wouldn't be surprised if the raids start today within hours!
I'm sure the gov't monitors world wide news of scn., not to mention web sites like this one.
Knowing what was found in Turin, they would be absolute fools not to raid.
Washington DC!
I don't know why I didn't think of that! I guess I just figured that AnonSparrow had that org covered!!!
No wonder they put one of their first "Ideal Orgs" there. DM even said in his speech that they invested there because it is the seat of power nationally.
That statement takes on a whole new meaning now, doesn't it?
Rene Descartes
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Washington DC!
I don't know why I didn't think of that! I guess I just figured that AnonSparrow had that org covered!!!
No wonder they put one of their first "Ideal Orgs" there. DM even said in his speech that they invested there because it is the seat of power nationally.
That statement takes on a whole new meaning now, doesn't it?
Someone better get the video camera rolling and keeping an eye on that org. When they catch news of this they will have an all hands to purge all of the evidence.
I am sure they called and woke up every member at 3 AM to come to the org for a very important briefing (ever get one of those?)
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Arthur Dent
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Oh yeah!!
Arthur Dent
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Calling AnonSparrow! Come in please!
Alanzo
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Just posted to Marty's blog - awaiting moderation:
Allen Stanfield // May 20, 2010 at 3:35 pm | Reply
Mr. Rinder –
As the former head of the Office of Special Affairs International, what can you tell us about the types of files OSA keeps on government officials worldwide, and their locations?
Allen Stanfield // May 20, 2010 at 3:35 pm | Reply
Mr. Rinder –
As the former head of the Office of Special Affairs International, what can you tell us about the types of files OSA keeps on government officials worldwide, and their locations?
Arthur Dent
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".....For nine hours, police rummaged through the offices located on Via Bersezio. In the basement, hidden behind a locked door, investigators are said to have found secret archives with files on magistrates, policemen, journalists, and relatives of former followers. "
Magistrates! Yeah! Do you think there is a Judge in the U.S. of A. that would NOT issue a search warrant in a heartbeat!!
I'm wondering if anyone in the U.S. is on this if you know what I mean...
Magistrates! Yeah! Do you think there is a Judge in the U.S. of A. that would NOT issue a search warrant in a heartbeat!!
I'm wondering if anyone in the U.S. is on this if you know what I mean...
Wisened One
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I can't speak to 'every org', but, here's the paper found by the FBI in the raids of the '70s: (from allexperts.com)
Answer
The following is the secret Scientology document that describes the "red box material." I found it on the internet: i dunno why you missed it. Note that "B1" means "Bureau One" which is now called "The Office of Special Affairs." OSA is the department within Scientology that commits crimes, harasses former customers, frames and blackmails judges, etc. Note that "Judy" is actually Mary Sue Hubbard, L.R. Hubbard's wife.
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Secret
25 Mar 1977
All concerned
BI staff
All Secs
DGI US OFFICE
VIA: DDG I US <-----
RE: RED BOX
Dear All,
This is to introduce into BIUS the complete red box system. Most of you have heard of this earlier - I will now explain it in detail.
First of all, all data that is red box data, has to be pulled from your areas. The complete definition of Red Box material is attached.
Secondly, you must ensure that none of your juniors (for those of you who have them) have red box data in their areas.
All the red box material from your areas must be centrally located, together and in a moveable container (ideally a briefcase), locked, and marked.
When this is done in each area, we will divide up the amounts and deputize persons in the area to be responsible for its removal from the premises in the case of a raid. This procedure will be drilled. This procedure will stay in at the new location.
Please have all this data sorted and located in proper container by Monday night Mar 28. I will then divide up removal duties, and we will drill it Tuesday night just before the all hands.
Love [Signature] Judy
RED BOX DATA INFORMATION SHEET
1. What is Red Box data?
a) Proof that a Scnist is involved in criminal activities.
b) Anything illegal that implicates MSH, LRH.
c) Large amounts of non FOI docs.
d) Operations against any government group or persons.
e) All operations that contain illegal activities.
f) Evidence of incriminating activities.
g) Names and details of confidential financial accts.
2. Where is Red Box data kept?
a) Out of date material or finished cycles that can be shredded[,] should be.
b) Large amounts of red box data that is not needed for day to day function but cannot be destroyed is located with all our NON FOI docs - and can be called for via CIC.
c) Small amounts of data that must be kept on hand due to security and frequent use - is to be kept in a briefcase locked up - and is to be marked. (in BI office area)
3. How is Red Box data, kept on the BI premises, cared for?
a) This data will be picked up and carried out of the building by 'owner' immediately upon notification of a raid, search warrant etc.
b) Persons carrying this data (as few as possible) will leave the premises and only return when they have called in and received an "all clear" - (Details of who goes where with what data will be sorted out later - and drilled)
[Handwritten Note:] NOT FOR COPYING! This sheet is to be returned to Sec. of BI US
Zinj
Answer
The following is the secret Scientology document that describes the "red box material." I found it on the internet: i dunno why you missed it. Note that "B1" means "Bureau One" which is now called "The Office of Special Affairs." OSA is the department within Scientology that commits crimes, harasses former customers, frames and blackmails judges, etc. Note that "Judy" is actually Mary Sue Hubbard, L.R. Hubbard's wife.
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Secret
25 Mar 1977
All concerned
BI staff
All Secs
DGI US OFFICE
VIA: DDG I US <-----
RE: RED BOX
Dear All,
This is to introduce into BIUS the complete red box system. Most of you have heard of this earlier - I will now explain it in detail.
First of all, all data that is red box data, has to be pulled from your areas. The complete definition of Red Box material is attached.
Secondly, you must ensure that none of your juniors (for those of you who have them) have red box data in their areas.
All the red box material from your areas must be centrally located, together and in a moveable container (ideally a briefcase), locked, and marked.
When this is done in each area, we will divide up the amounts and deputize persons in the area to be responsible for its removal from the premises in the case of a raid. This procedure will be drilled. This procedure will stay in at the new location.
Please have all this data sorted and located in proper container by Monday night Mar 28. I will then divide up removal duties, and we will drill it Tuesday night just before the all hands.
Love [Signature] Judy
RED BOX DATA INFORMATION SHEET
1. What is Red Box data?
a) Proof that a Scnist is involved in criminal activities.
b) Anything illegal that implicates MSH, LRH.
c) Large amounts of non FOI docs.
d) Operations against any government group or persons.
e) All operations that contain illegal activities.
f) Evidence of incriminating activities.
g) Names and details of confidential financial accts.
2. Where is Red Box data kept?
a) Out of date material or finished cycles that can be shredded[,] should be.
b) Large amounts of red box data that is not needed for day to day function but cannot be destroyed is located with all our NON FOI docs - and can be called for via CIC.
c) Small amounts of data that must be kept on hand due to security and frequent use - is to be kept in a briefcase locked up - and is to be marked. (in BI office area)
3. How is Red Box data, kept on the BI premises, cared for?
a) This data will be picked up and carried out of the building by 'owner' immediately upon notification of a raid, search warrant etc.
b) Persons carrying this data (as few as possible) will leave the premises and only return when they have called in and received an "all clear" - (Details of who goes where with what data will be sorted out later - and drilled)
[Handwritten Note:] NOT FOR COPYING! This sheet is to be returned to Sec. of BI US
Zinj
mnql1
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Original May 19, 2010 article in La Stampa
The original report published on May 19, 2010 by the Turin edition of the daily La Stampa is available online only by subscription, but the text is reproduced on an Italian forum:
http://groups.google.it/group/free.it.religioni.scientology/browse_thread/thread/0c9337de7cd752ca
PDF files of the 2 pages of La Stampa are available here:
http://www.dimarzio.it/srs/modules/...87721386634236453733932777-scientology_52.pdf
http://www.dimarzio.it/srs/modules/...39617672182187698355943236-scientology_53.pdf
The article is quite long and contains an interview with an ex-Scientologist who worked for 8 years at the Turin COS.
Key points:
After his departure, the ex-Scientologist received threats that his secrets and crimes would be revealed. This would be unpleasant, but he hurt many people, did evil things, and has memories that keep him awake at night.
The ex-Scientologist is about 50 years old.
The ex-Scientologist explains that the COS has files containing intimate confessions made by many people, as well as secret files on Scientology's enemies. The latter files are probably kept at the homes of complicit persons.
Examples of enemies for which COS has files are former speaker of parliament Luciano Violante, Father Luigi Ciotti, a Milan magistrate, and a father who was trying to free his daughter from Scientology. The investigation method is to find a person's crimes and find a person's enemies. In some cases, paid private investigators were used.
The ex-Scientologist gives an example of a man who was blackmailed by receiving an anonymous envelope containing his personal information, including the fact that he enjoyed wearing women's clothing.
The Turin org's files go back at least 20 years and contain almost 20,000 names, some of persons who only purchased a book. The files kept under lock pertain to staff, to persons who have been audited, and to "special operations".
Luciano Violante is considered an enemy because he publicly attacked Scientology. A fake journalist was sent to interview him and a video was made of statements he made.
Luigi Ciotti has been "studied" because he publicly criticized Narconon.
All information compiled by the Turin COS is translated and forwarded to the United States.
The ex-Scientologist mentions a woman magistrate, a native of Turin, who works for the Milan prosecutor's office. The investigation into her background involved finding her graduate thesis, interviewing her enemies, studying contracts she had given, and many interesting things were found.
The files are mostly used just to provide knowledge about people, but the information is sometimes revealed in print or on the Internet. The objective is to convince an enemy to back away.
One person was responsible for compiling the files and this person was also responsible for salvaging people who blow.
About 700 persons frequent the Turin org. People remain on staff on average 3 or 4 years.
The Turin org's revenues are approximately 35,000 euros a week on average, about a million euros a year.
Asked why he is speaking out, the ex-Scientologist replied, "Because I am ashamed of what I did."
Asked if he is afraid, the ex-Scientologist replied that he fears American Scientologists more than the Italian ones because there have been mysterious deaths.
The original report published on May 19, 2010 by the Turin edition of the daily La Stampa is available online only by subscription, but the text is reproduced on an Italian forum:
http://groups.google.it/group/free.it.religioni.scientology/browse_thread/thread/0c9337de7cd752ca
PDF files of the 2 pages of La Stampa are available here:
http://www.dimarzio.it/srs/modules/...87721386634236453733932777-scientology_52.pdf
http://www.dimarzio.it/srs/modules/...39617672182187698355943236-scientology_53.pdf
The article is quite long and contains an interview with an ex-Scientologist who worked for 8 years at the Turin COS.
Key points:
After his departure, the ex-Scientologist received threats that his secrets and crimes would be revealed. This would be unpleasant, but he hurt many people, did evil things, and has memories that keep him awake at night.
The ex-Scientologist is about 50 years old.
The ex-Scientologist explains that the COS has files containing intimate confessions made by many people, as well as secret files on Scientology's enemies. The latter files are probably kept at the homes of complicit persons.
Examples of enemies for which COS has files are former speaker of parliament Luciano Violante, Father Luigi Ciotti, a Milan magistrate, and a father who was trying to free his daughter from Scientology. The investigation method is to find a person's crimes and find a person's enemies. In some cases, paid private investigators were used.
The ex-Scientologist gives an example of a man who was blackmailed by receiving an anonymous envelope containing his personal information, including the fact that he enjoyed wearing women's clothing.
The Turin org's files go back at least 20 years and contain almost 20,000 names, some of persons who only purchased a book. The files kept under lock pertain to staff, to persons who have been audited, and to "special operations".
Luciano Violante is considered an enemy because he publicly attacked Scientology. A fake journalist was sent to interview him and a video was made of statements he made.
Luigi Ciotti has been "studied" because he publicly criticized Narconon.
All information compiled by the Turin COS is translated and forwarded to the United States.
The ex-Scientologist mentions a woman magistrate, a native of Turin, who works for the Milan prosecutor's office. The investigation into her background involved finding her graduate thesis, interviewing her enemies, studying contracts she had given, and many interesting things were found.
The files are mostly used just to provide knowledge about people, but the information is sometimes revealed in print or on the Internet. The objective is to convince an enemy to back away.
One person was responsible for compiling the files and this person was also responsible for salvaging people who blow.
About 700 persons frequent the Turin org. People remain on staff on average 3 or 4 years.
The Turin org's revenues are approximately 35,000 euros a week on average, about a million euros a year.
Asked why he is speaking out, the ex-Scientologist replied, "Because I am ashamed of what I did."
Asked if he is afraid, the ex-Scientologist replied that he fears American Scientologists more than the Italian ones because there have been mysterious deaths.
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Rene Descartes
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ABC: This ex-member asserts that documents are kept on people detailing crimes and illegal activities
COS: He's lieing!
ABC: But we have proof. What are these documents right here? Aren't these the documents he is referring to?
COS: Those documents are lies!!
ABC: But you said there were no documents and here they are.
COS: I was lieing!!
ABC: Well it's nice that the truth is finally out.
COS: That's a lie!!
ABC: We have physical evidence.
COS: The physical universe is a lie!!
ABC: Okay, whatever.
COS: LIAR!!!
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Rd00