Police Raid Church of Scientology in Turin, Italy

[AnonKat]

Both of which require that specific complaints be filed with the police and that associated investigations then be launched. General, unsubstantiated, & unofficial reports won't cut it.


Mark A. Baker

Some agencys have Superpowers

 

[AnonKat]

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/police-raid-turin-66856/

 

[AlphOhm]

I wonder if Italy tends to execute people for espionage...

 

[AnonKat]

I wonder if Italy tends to execute people for espionage...

criminal scientologists will be the slaves of the Mobsters in jail.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Some agencys have Superpowers

That is not a wholly reassuring statement.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mick Wenlock]

IANAL, but I doubt it. Certainly not based on the report cited.

There is nothing illegal about possessing "files" or keeping them in a "secret archive", whatever that means. Possession of files relating to government individuals or non-scientologists need not violate any public statute in and of themselves. What could be a point of transgression is the CONTENTS of such files. But, excepting the changes made to due process by that monstrosity known as the PATRIOT Act which is supposed to apply only with regard to "terrorist" activity, probable cause to justify a search must be shown PRIOR to the issuance of a valid warrant.

Whatever you may believe is in the Co$ files, government investigators would be required to demonstrate a valid reason for access before they would be allowed by a court to seize them.


Mark A. Baker

Not true in Europe, Mark. The Data protection acts do actually forbid the keeping of certain types of dossiers - I cannot claim to know what would be illegal in Italy or questionable but I do know it is much more stringent than in the USA

 

[AnonLover]

i found some infos in english on Italy's data protection act here:

http://www.privacyinternational.org/survey/phr2003/countries/italy.htm

EDIT: better / more details here

http://www.dataprotection.it/codice_privacy_english.htm

 

[AnonKat]

Information on 'enemies of Scientology found' in Italian police raid

post on wwp http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/police-raid-turin-66856/6/#post1250112

link to article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...Scientology-found-in-Italian-police-raid.html

Information on 'enemies of Scientology found' in Italian police raid
Secret dossiers of information on the "enemies" of Scientology were found when Italian police raided the movement's offices in Turin.

By Nick Squires in Rome
Published: 11:29PM BST 20 May 2010

During a nine-hour search of the offices, Carabinieri officers are said to have discovered a cache of files hidden in a basement behind a locked door.

The files allegedly contained personal information relating to judges, magistrates, journalists and police who had reportedly been deemed hostile to the US-based Church of Scientology, Italian media reported.

 

[Carmel]

Only just caught up with this thread - This has come at a good time!

 

[Smilla]

Only just caught up with this thread - This has come at a good time!

Thought you were great on TV

 

[yzernow2]

Bravissima! Great news! The die hard Italian scns who don't get out now should fear for their lives. Italians don't like to be messed with. Look what happened to Mussolini...

 

[Enthetan]

I doubt that they still use "red box" when huge amounts of material can be stored on a removable flash drive, which could be quickly destroyed in a raid.

A back up copy could be stored on another flash drive buried somewhere, location only known to one person.

 

[AnonyMary]

Bravo Italy!! Bravo "Marina" from Turin!!
Must Read : a recent La Stampa translated article on Scientology http://www.scribd.com/doc/22140590/Enslaved-by-Scientology-La-Stampa

I think I like this Lerma guy.

I love Arnie Lerma . He was the first person with a familiar name, who has a very informative large website, who I could trust to call and talk with when I started reading the internet. I was so scared and he wasn't! Many people have been helped by him and his website of vast and historical information on the exposing of Scientology. Check out http://lermanet.com .

Mary

_________________________________

 

[degraded being]

Not true in Europe, Mark. The Data protection acts do actually forbid the keeping of certain types of dossiers - I cannot claim to know what would be illegal in Italy or questionable but I do know it is much more stringent than in the USA

Privacy laws in some countries are enough.
And if private information is being kept on political figures, judges etc, the issue of why it is being kept is not just some irrelevant technicality. Blackmail, extortion, persuasion etc, are the reason the privacy laws exist in the first place.

 

[GreyWolf]

It just keeps getting worse and worse.

And this is just the beginning.

Don'tcha mean better and better?

 

[Lohan2008]

Bablefish: translation

Perquisita the center of Scientology to Turin: found the archives secrets, with data on sex, health and politics
Scientology is in the view-finder of the Procura of Turin. The Flying squad of the chief town, on mandate of the magistrates, has perquisito the Turinese center of the religious organization. In the view-finder of the investigators, second how much reports the Press, would be the dossier personal dedicated to the adepts person, but also to the enemies of Scientology.
For 9 hours the police has rovistato in the offices of via Bersezio. In the seminterrato one, hidden behind a door sluice to key, they would have been found the archives secrets with issues on familiar magistrates, policemen, journalists and of former adepts person.

Their content is now to the sieve of the magistracy, but second how much reports the Turinese daily paper would be full full of sensitive data on sex, health and politics. A4 full sheets of strange accessible acronyms and only to the ministers of the cult, than conserved also the result of the e-meter there, a special examination from which Scientology it would be in a position to picking the state of mind of the patients.

The assumed hypothesis of crime would regard the violation of the norms on the treatment of the sensitive data.

 

[Alanzo]

Privacy laws in some countries are enough.
And if private information is being kept on political figures, judges etc, the issue of why it is being kept is not just some irrelevant technicality. Blackmail, extortion, persuasion etc, are the reason the privacy laws exist in the first place.

And the relevant policies by LRH can be provided which lays out why this information is gathered and kept on file by Churches of Scientology.

Those files are all 100 percent standard tech, ethics, and admin.

 

[Type4_PTS]

UPI Story!

Here's a related media story I just came accross from UPI (United Press International)!!!!!!!!!

International News


Dossiers found in Italy Scientology raid

Published: May 20, 2010 at 8:12 PM

TURIN, Italy, May 20 (UPI) -- Italian police who raided a Scientology chapter said they found what appeared to be extensive files on law-enforcement officials and former members.
The documents were in a locked room of the Scientology chapter in Turin and were said to contain information on the subjects' health, politics and sexual habits, the ANSA news agency said Thursday.
Citing media reports in Turin, ANSA said police spent about 9 hours searching the building as part of an investigation into alleged violations of Italian law on the handling of personal information.
No arrests were reported.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Interna...in-Italy-Scientology-raid/UPI-47571274400755/

 

[apple]

Maria Pia Gardini writes a book about Scn. She gets harassed by Scn. Scn. has a raid done on them and embarrassing information is found. I wonder is Ms. Gardini has had some influence on a raid. She seems like a well known lady with lots of friends. If she has, God bless her and all the best to her.

 

[Mystic]

Letter to the scigaggOTs

Dear scigaggOTs,

Please sue more nuns in Italy.

We need all the lulz we can get.

Signed,