Rathbun's first INFOMERCIAL is a bomb!

[Terril park]

I realized (had a cognition) OT III isn't a big shocker because of the Sci Fi but the deliberate implanting of LRH own personal Drama. I can apreciate trying to ween people of of religion but this is enforcing your own views and anchoring it, solidifying it into scripture.

Thats non sequitur to Marty's video. You're usually smarter than that but
maybe like me you're quaffing a fine ale.

 

[AnonKat]

Thats non sequitur to Marty's video. You're usually smarter than that but
maybe like me you're quaffing a fine ale.

No I am goofing of on a sugarhigh. some comment I did not get posted was bugging me.

Wow we are both up late or you are not in the UK anymore.

The message Marty send was for his own people. I do not get all the upset

 

[Mick Wenlock]

I didn't see that in Marty's video.

Note that LRH gave carte blanche to ditching bad policies.

Marty in fact alluded to without stating it to the difference between protestant anything and the corporation.

In Admin Degrades he did not give carte blanche. In fact Hubbard went out of his way to discuss how tried and trusted it all was and that 'ditching" was a suppressive act.

So at what point do we find Marty roundly condemning that piece of fascist propaganda KSW?

 

[Mick Wenlock]

Indeed silly you! Why expect to find it in that policy?

HCOPL 13 march 1965 " THE STRUCTURE OF ORGANIZATION WHAT IS POLICY?

"Periodic sweepouts of antiquated and didactic laws [ rather than general concepts and subpurposes ] MUST be undertaken....."

and the rejoinder to that is the LATER policy Admin Degrades which I notice you are not quoting from.

 

[AnonKat]

In Admin Degrades he did not give carte blanche. In fact Hubbard went out of his way to discuss how tried and trusted it all was and that 'ditching" was a suppressive act.

So at what point do we find Marty roundly condemning that piece of fascist propaganda KSW?

Will not happen and its open to interpretation.

 

[Zinjifar]

Am I allowed to also consult you?

By whom? Ron? Marty? Emma? Me?

Me and Emma think you can 'consult' me

As for the rest... I doubt it

Zinj

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

With an "old trusted auditor" who has admitted to being willing to secretly record their sessions he might want to rethink that strategy.
Mark A. Baker

Yeah, you got a point.

He might want to stay with his "old trusted friend" Miscavige who ordered Marty to secretly record his sessions.

 

[Zinjifar]

Yeah, you got a point.

He might want to stay with his "old trusted friend" Miscavige who ordered Marty to secretly record his sessions.

But, he *trusts* Marty. So, why shouldn't Marty breach confidentiality? Why should he worry about it? It's not like he has missed withholds is it? Or a rockslam. Or evil purposes against Ron and His Church.

Zinj

 

[J. Swift]

The constant Q&A on this board is how it all begins. I modified an old Christian cartoon to show how people backslide out of CoS. It starts with Q&A at natterboards like this place. You are all horrible backsliders! Here is the road to becoming an Independent:

 

[Zinjifar]

I'm a man. I'm a human. I'm a being. I'm a spirit.

If I was an 'independent', would that label preclude *other* people who disagree with me from being 'independent'?

Don't be silly.

You're not talking honesty or truth or spirituality or even politics. You're talking 'tactics' and the tactic that says 'It's OK to lie to get what you want.'

Fuck it. That's not what this is about.

No More Acceptable Truth.

Zinj

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Originally Posted By Smilla
I just reread KSW, and I couldn't find the bit where he said that. Silly me.

Indeed silly you! Why expect to find it in that policy? HCOPL 13 march 1965 " THE STRUCTURE OF ORGANIZATION WHAT IS POLICY? "Periodic sweepouts of antiquated and didactic laws [ rather than general concepts and subpurposes ] MUST be undertaken....."

To answer the deep philosophical conundrum as to whether KSW actually allows Scientology to keep working, I have gone to the the list of: "The 100 Most Influential People In History".

Allow us to draw wisdom from #2 on the list (Sir Isaac Newton) and #4 (L. Ron Hubbard):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100

NEWTON'S LAW OF MOTION
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."


HUBBARD'S LAW OF COMMOTION
"For every policy there is equal and opposite policy."​

 

[MetaPerspective]

The rotten-ness of the Cofs is one of the great accomplishments of Marty's life. He was the right hand man of the person he is now busy whining about.

and as one of the evil priests, someone who worked tirelessly to exploit the believers - now he is the savior?

I said "ally", not "savior." But you or I talking to the press doesn't quite have the same effect, does it?

Oh please - your assumption is incorrect and unfounded - unless, of course, you have something other than your say so to go on? Some people go through the process of realizing that scientology is bogus and then leaving. They see the flaws and depart because of them.

No doubt you are right, but that's not my personal experience (I'm former Int staff, out for 15+ years, thanks for asking) or what I've observed watching other high level Sea Org members leave. They tend to cling to their faith in LRH long after they lose faith with the CoS. I'm sure you have seen this effect in people other than Marty -- it's common.

With an "ally" like that we could really accomplish - not very much at all.

One day somebody is going to testify in the court cases about what happened at RTC -- will it be you? Were you there?

Marty is doing far more damage to Scientology than anyone on this board ever will, I suspect

/mp

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Marty is doing far more damage to Scientology than anyone on this board ever will, I suspect.

Agreed, he is destructive! But....

SCENARIO: Let's say we live a little border town and one day a heavily armed Mexican drug cartel invades and takes over the place, terrorizing and robbing us blind.

In pure desperation to fight for our freedom, we open up the local prison, releasing all of the convicted murderers on death row, handing them assault weapons as they exit.

Now released, those convicts (like Marty) might rack up an impressive kill count; but at the same time, we would warn all the local citizenry about him. Coincidence or not, people around killers just tend to get dead.

Because killers kill. They kill the drug cartel guys but also murder innocent locals, just as easily, if it serves their purposes.

What people are posting about Marty is only sensible. He is a destructive, dangerous man.

Good citizens have a right to see all the stats. Not just the bad guys killed. All of them.

 

[fortymarriedandbalding]

I don’t think he did that bad of a job with the video, and had the original, unadulterated Tech worked, then he may have a huge success on his hands.

The reality is, dianetics did not deliver what it promises, despite LHR regularly stating that this or that did work on everyone he tried it on people when researching for his book.

When people began to see through the lies that LHR gave them, and the subsequent ones they told themselves, LHR squirreled his tech and came up with a reason why it did not work – another step on the bridge to allow people to lie to themselves a little longer. He continued to do this all throughout his life.

After he died, DM did the same with his golden age of tech, new releases, ideal orgs, etc. People who were loosing faith got excited again and allowed themselves to be pulled along (although less successfully than when LHR did it).

Now Marty is doing the same as DM, showing a fault and promising it will make a difference. Many, many people want to believe and will see this as another great step, removing impediments to their success that "DM put there". They will be excited and grasp this opportunity with both hands.

Unfortunately for Marty, he has painted himself into a corner. ,Once people realise that the unadulterated tech does not work, as they began to realise when LHR was alive, Marty will have no were to go without becoming the priest between the word of LHR and independent scientologists.

And then this video will rise to haunt him.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

I said "ally", not "savior." But you or I talking to the press doesn't quite have the same effect, does it?



No doubt you are right, but that's not my personal experience (I'm former Int staff, out for 15+ years, thanks for asking) or what I've observed watching other high level Sea Org members leave. They tend to cling to their faith in LRH long after they lose faith with the CoS. I'm sure you have seen this effect in people other than Marty -- it's common.



One day somebody is going to testify in the court cases about what happened at RTC -- will it be you? Were you there?

Marty is doing far more damage to Scientology than anyone on this board ever will, I suspect

/mp

roflmao!! Well you can believe whatever you wish. he is doing no damage to the cofs that I can see, merely gathering things to himself.

I won't be testifying about RTC or anything like - though I may well be testifying about the IAS - because, unlike you - I WAS THERE.

But thus far marty hasn't testified about ANYTHING and has certainly said that he will not cooperate with law Enforcement.

So I presume that you think he will be testifying as a defendant?

Or would that push your hero worshipping buttons?

 

[Smilla]

roflmao!! Well you can believe whatever you wis,h. he is doing no damage to the cofs that I can see, merely gathering things to himself.

I won't be testifying about RTC or anything like - though I may well be testifying about the IAS - because, unlike you - I WAS THERE.

But thus far marty hasn't testified about ANYTHING and has certainly said that he will not cooperate with law Enforcement.

So I presume that you think he will be testifying as a defendant?

Or would that push your hero worshipping buttons?

It is interesting that he never reveals anything that isn't already in the public domain. The boss hits people. Is that it? Is that all he's willing to bring to the table? He is done little or no damage, but he could - if he wanted to. I see no signs of his doing anything other than trying to cosy up to the media with the intention of making himself look good.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

It is interesting that he never reveals anything that isn't already in the public domain. The boss hits people. Is that it? Is that all he's willing to bring to the table? He is done little or no damage, but he could - if he wanted to. I see no signs of his doing anything other than trying to cosy up to the media with the intention of making himself look good.

Rathbun is simply following Ron's "boots in the sky" tech:

* positioning his enemies as the wholetrack enemies of all mankind and life (e.g. "psychs")

* "nattering" up a storm about his enemies (COB)

* "third partying" COB

* "dead agenting" COB

* "fair gaming" COB

* "black pr'ing" COB

* professing love & understanding while doing all the above

* promoting the tech that will salvage and free beings while destroying and enslaving beings who don't obey him.

* working his congregation into hate-filled mob vs COB

* originating black ops and getting other gullible scientologists to do the dirty work vs COB

* if it all goes to hell and the authorities come after him, blame it all on the "others" and let them take the fall and penitentiary time while you go off and write your next book of fiction.​

The only thing Marty has not mastered yet is how to position COB as a "psych".

But he will. You read it here first....

 

[Terril park]

and the rejoinder to that is the LATER policy Admin Degrades which I notice you are not quoting from.

Hey Mick,
Just looked at it. I will in no way recognise any PL from 1986.

Its an RTC pile of shit.

In fact I go for my own thoughts here. Don't care too much if LRH
agreed, on this or that. I decide. I am source.

 

[Terril park]

To answer the deep philosophical conundrum as to whether KSW actually allows Scientology to keep working, I have gone to the the list of: "The 100 Most Influential People In History".

Allow us to draw wisdom from #2 on the list (Sir Isaac Newton) and #4 (L. Ron Hubbard):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100

NEWTON'S LAW OF MOTION
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."


HUBBARD'S LAW OF COMMOTION
"For every policy there is equal and opposite policy."​

Lol! Its all about playing the keyboard. Note that you limit opposite policies to only one.

You free your mind from that dumbfuck idea, you may even get to play Jazz!

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Hey Mick,
Just looked at it. I will in no way recognise any PL from 1986.

Its an RTC pile of shit.

In the freezone everyone has there own "cutoff dates" for acceptance of HCOB's & HCOPLs as not too "compromised" as to warrant consideration as valid. Most choose not to trust anything after 1982. Some insist on earlier dates such as 1978 and consider later materials "suspect", only to be accepted on a case by case basis. Even most of the GoATies agree that 1986 is late in the chain for any expectation of reliability or trust on "source materials".


Mark A. Baker