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Noone does their post, it is purely regging, all night!

You may not see this right now Ryan, but you should consider yourself fortunate that you went on staff, and were able to see and recognize these things, before it consumed too much of your life.

As a critic of Scientology, I get a lot of satisfaction out of seeing people who were in for a short time getting out, and especially having the courage to speak out, like yourself.

You may be interested to know, if you haven't read it already, there is a detailed and absorbing bio of Hubbard and the development of Scientology by British journalist Russell Miller, now available online free:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/

It's important for you to know the history of the group you fell into for a while, and I'm sure you'll find it fascinating. Good luck and congratulations.:forsure:
 
Welcome, Ryan! Great to see yet another Aussie on the board.

Thank-you for the update on Perth org. From the outside it seems the orgs must be doing really badly, but it's nice to get this confirmed.


Yes Ryan. I am an aussie too. g'day mate lol. Yes I wonder what the hell we do put on our CVs re Scientology??? that i could stare at people for 2 hours?? That I worked there for 30 hours a week on top of a paying job but rarely got paid. I actually got my son to look at my CV. It mentioned Scientology. He said "dad, you might want to leave that off. just sayin'". lol. He loves me
 
Well Pete I am left asking myself the same. I was hooked from day one, perhaps a want of something more from life and living?

Thankyou for the warm reception everyone.
Exactly what you were looking for?

This is not an idle question. I have never been a Scientologist, I am trying to understand what draws people to CoS in the Internet era.

Welcome to the board!!!
 
Hello Ryan :wave: and :welcome2: You are one of the lucky ones ! Hallelujah !
:happydance: We are happy, so happy you are here. Tell us your story. :drama:
It will help anyone else new to scno, that wonders into an org, then goes on line looking for info. Save some other newbies a few months/years/decades of their lives. Together We Stand. :thumbsup:
 
Congratulations ryanmac, I was in Perth Foundation for 5 years - as public only - but I eventually woke up, after a little help.

The tipping point was when we went to Asia as VMs to assist after the Boxing Day tsunami. Everything there was about STATS, more and more assists had to be delivered.

Other things happened but I am glad I got out , as much as a public can be "out".

Smackthis.:thumbsup:

And HELLO Smackthis ! :wave: :welcome2: Oh JOY - another one ! :happydance:
What's your story? :drama:
 
Ryan: Welcome OUT to SANITY!

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Thank you for having courage to speak out. Perth is no different than any other Org on this planet. They are all NUTS! Everyone experiences stalling tactics, silence, ignore and this is done to drive one crazy you come crawling back ready to empty your bank account to make up the damage "they- the Cult - is doing!
 
Congratulations, Ryan!!
In and right out of the cult revolving door! You caught on pretty quickly! You didn't read the internet before getting snagged? Curious in this day and age. In my day, we barely had a newspaper article to find on it! Good to know their Div 6 is still working hard. ;) 10 months is enough to twist your head but so glad you're out. It's really not that much time down the drain and it probably made you smarter for the experience and you'll be fine soon enough! All the best to you!




I've not heard this report before and am glad to see this happens in your neck of the woods as well. I was always so ashamed at the brazen stat push and photo ops in the name of fake help. You do have the truly well-meaning people in the cult who really do care about people and go to help and give assists, etc. It's a shame their efforts are continually funneled into crappy photo ops. And for whom?
Glossy-tree-killing promo crap? ick

I'll never forget the day during my tenure as a good little scientologist, a good friend and cohort in CCHR & G.O. told me straight faced and matter-of-factly that the work they were doing with inmates in a nearby prison was "done for P.R., that's all, just P.R." This phony bullshit didn't seem to bother my friend. It was for the greater good. Well it bothered the hell out of me. Bullshit is bullshit, no matter what flavor you give it.
This was a loooong time ago and early in my experiences in Co$
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And ryanmac, WELCOME to the board !
 
And HELLO Smackthis ! :wave: :welcome2: Oh JOY - another one ! :happydance:
What's your story? :drama:

Thanks guys.:biggrin:

My story, Lurker5, is of a person who was in a low place at the time and somehow on a mild, sunny afternoon found my self doing a stress test quickly followed by being routed onto the BOOK ONE course.
Over time I did other basic courses and listened to lectures.

I always felt there was something "not right" with what I was reading and doing , such as the TRs, but I just went with it.
A part-time,part-time public would be one way to describe my contact with the Org.

All the while accumulating in the back of brain were tiny cracks in scientology's "Looking Glass".

All the sci-fi nonsense about bodies in pawn,history of man,implant stations etc,plus the regging and the fakery of Events.:pfft:
Having a staff member guard the door inside the event so should anyone leave, they could be handled and then regged was slighty oppressive.

Later on, the opportunity for some adventure - in tragic circumstances -arose and off to Indonesia I went.
While other NGOs were doing meaningful and effective activities , we were saying "feel my finger" and brushing our hands down peoples bodies.WTF.Seriously.

After losing 6kg and the VMs receiving NO recognition at 2 very formal events. These events were held by the Aceh Government to thank the NGOs for their response,help and contribution.On neither occasion were the VMs even remotely mentioned or pictured.NOTHING.

I flew back home , a friend showed me www.xenu.net. Over the next few days I read and read, the looking glass shattered and I never entered the org again.:yes:

It has taken a long time for me to recover - mostly- from the brain swiping , personality zombifying TRs. I did a lot of twinning.

Anyway , it is a drop in the ocean compared to other peoples tales.

Smackthis.:thumbsup:
 
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Dear Ryan and Smackthis:
You are lucky that you did not spend that much time on that Cult.
There are people who came to realize it was a scam 30 years later.
Enjoy your life, and have fun. You both did the right thing.
Life is wonderful outside $camology.
Welcome!!!
 
Thankyou to everyone for reading my thread, any time taken to read, like, reply is greatly appreciated! It is great to see the forum so active.

I will try to answer as many questions here as I can; The day ED is Valintena Smith, she is the one who is planning or trying to get out. I dont know much else as I was on foundation staff. The foundation ED is Andrew Bromwell, his wife is the D/ED, their daughter Emily is the tres sec, she is only 18 their other daughter is the HAS she is only 16. It always looked to me like the D/ED was calling all the shots across all those divisions the family has covered, plus she is the D of P. With my limited time I always had considerations this was a conflict of interest.
As for how I wound up in an org with all the Internet info out there, well previous to joining the org I had no idea there was so much information out there, nor any want or reason to investigate, I guess on some level I am someone who needs to find things out for himself. Tough lesson this time round.

I did many many courses studied my butt off! Went through all the life improvement courses in a month then joined staff, the old routine, set you up with a terminal and eventually shove a contract under your nose- how can you say no! My personality tests went from flat line to all across the top.

I went with my terminal to the 1st year anniversary for the Melbourne ideal org, two weeks on staff at this point, I was sequestered to various terminals over there, not the "visiting a ideal org" I was lead to believe. Basically different terminals across divisions to access where I should end up.

At this point I would like to say I found the life improvement courses easy and yet seeminly giving me an improvement in my happiness. I was studying every night on basic study manual and the staff status'. Other than that I held reception daily and did all the lugging of heavy boxes up and down the stairs from div 6 to the org. The other thing was training to do stress testing and access OCAs. I went through the bsm and ssI and ssII with ease in about a third of checksheet time. The org was a buzz with this new guy who seemed to breeze through everything in front of him. I had also started book one auditing. I changed my book one auditor as the first one was very transparent, she was a miserable sap who I felt despised having to do anything in the org, constantly complaining. So my new book one auditor was a class IV auditor, we had much more constructive sessions. I started stcc and then moved onto the basics, these were simple study also. By this point the new auditor was very chummy and always suggesting I do auditor training, I plowed through the basics up to finishing handbook for preclears along the way got the hda done, then the has course. It was very much a case of every night drumming up my going for training, I met the senior c/s chief who put my csw together and got me posted in the ttc. She questioned why I was still an expeditor 4 months after finishing SSII. It appeared her and the D/ED didnt see eye to eye. My csw went through no worries the only stop was the last person on there asking I have some scientology auditing before coming to flag.

So I met with the D/ED on this and she stated that she also insisted I do the purif. I questioned why now the change of tact, as I had done everything out of the org to not be here, selling my business, breaking my lease, quit my job and now there was a change of opinion. This is when I decided things werent being done as they should be, I expressed my disproval. The ED suggested I go to the AO to do my purif, after I finished my auditing cycle. I asked to not have the same auditor I had for book one as I found his conduct increasingly questionable, infact having had shown him several times a reference to an auditor should always be professional as to purvey confidenc in his pcs, anyway the D/ED was happy to oblige. We started session and I had to fit in around the auditors other pcs, basically I was studying and in session everyday.

I know this is a bit of a mish mosh but after trying to forget all this im not entirely remembering in sequence. I was also giving nerve and touch assists almost daily and infact at times more than one per day, on staff and also public, I had learned to give assists pretty early on.

The events were always a burden for me, since selling my business I was working as a department manager for Iga starting at 3am, so needless to say by saturday night I was less than interested in being at an event. Ideal org event every Saturday night with the same dedicated public coming.
My girlfriend had started the odd course out of curiosity and was helping pack up events she was willing to come too, in the end she was coming just to spend more time with me! They only saw a target for recruitment, fortunately my direct nature held them at bay- I told the ED directly, I was never one to keep to the correct lines of communication. I have to be honest my auditing cycle was seemingly great for me. As my my study of the tech, it was easy and obvious to join the dots of where everything linked together! The big suggestion, obviously handled delicately as not to suggest it directly to me, but enough that I began to think it my self, I must have studied this before. I never thought of past lives before this.
Another thing I was doing was book one auditing, I had 3 pcs, the first got told not to come back as they thought him a squirel, as he was a self help kind of guy, as his job. The other two were fine.

Where it all began to come apart for me was, the PES who was my apparent terminal had a fight with the ED, D/ED as she had intended me for div 6 they had designs on auditor training, subsequently she left her post. I was not informed of her departure until after the fact, I thought this an outpoint. I raised this and was given some weak excuse from the D/ED. The constant hounding of public and staff for monies was beginning to really irritate me, I made mention of the org pushing away the few public they had, this was not well received. I had taken two guys from work into the org who were generally not happy, one was redged for his lifetime after two weeks, that really pissed me off- he later said to me he was basically held in a room not allowed to leave! I was not aware this was even intended. I know they were struggling to get their IAS quota.

My time at the Ao was extremely limited, by the time I got there I was well over the games. I landed on Sunday 19th August 1pm. Was driven to the AO, did a tour got put on the bus to the berthing. Now as soon as I arrived and was shown where id be living I immediately asked myself What are you doing?! 9 men in a room 6x3, I was left there for several hours on what you can not call a bed, finally someone came and took me to reception, I did the area of accessment form. Was sent back to my room. I will add at this point was about 6 pm, no meals given. I went for a wander and found the receptionist going through my form I just filled out- her reaction made me think she was changing things on there. She told me to go back to my room. Anyway so this is what id given up so much too, at this point I knew I wasnt sticking around. I did however send a message to the D/ED and my book one auditor, to let them know I wasnt impressed. I was met with contempt and even mockery. I got in touch with my girlfriend and also a friend in Sydney- to gauge if leaving in the middle of the night was the best option. I stayed the night adn did not sleep at all. I got out of bed around 5 for a shower- cold water only, spoke with my girlfriend, she book a flight back to Perth for 10am. So I decided to leave my suitcase and just took my napsack, walked about 30 minutes and called a taki, straight to the airport.

There were numerous calls and text messages from the D/ED to my phone and my girlfriends. Some others from various people, all trying to figure out if I was still in Sydney or back in Perth. Still ive not told them either way, I have got my suitcase back, everything is there. I have sent many emails to the ED, I even sent him the money back for the flight he paid for to Sydney. I have had one responce from him. I dont know why I sent him so many emails, but the point is i am past that. I received aggressive messages from the FR and my book one auditor. All ignored.

I have even had email from Nick Xenafon. He wants to talk to me, im not sure where that will take me, but basically im at the point where the ignorred emails really pissed me off, despite the blowing I was the model staff member. Doing bs chores that no one else would do, daily. I did ask the Ed to at least tell me to go away not ignor me as this provoked me. They stirred up a monster in me and I have every intention to bring them down, Nick Xenafon, Anonmus, who ever it takes to do this ill take all the help I can. I have no plan or direction as yet, except one org at a time and the first to fall by my hand will be Perth!


Again thankyou for this outlet, and sorry for the mishmosh. Its written straight as it flowed from my mind, still obviously a mishmosh itself.

Ryan.
 
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