Recently left staff

[Dukat]

...I have even had email from Nick Xenafon. He wants to talk to me.
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Again thankyou for this outlet, and sorry for the mishmosh. Its written straight as it flowed from my mind, still obviously a mishmosh itself.

Talk to Nick and don't apologize because this is the place to get it all out!

 

[Lurker5]

Thanks Ryan & Smack. Sounds like hell - oh wait, scno/co$ IS HELL !

You are in the right place. Keep reading, and as memories come back, post more stories. It helps to share and commiserate .

 

[Purple Rain]

Thankyou to everyone for reading my thread, any time taken to read, like, reply is greatly appreciated! It is great to see the forum so active.
I will try to answer as many questions here as I can; The day ED is Valintena Smith, she is the one who is planning or trying to get out. I dont know much else as I was on foundation staff. The foundation ED is Andrew Bromwell, his wife is the D/ED, their daughter Emily is the tres sec, she is only 18 their other daughter is the HAS she is only 16. It always looked to me like the D/ED was calling all the shots across all those divisions the family has covered, plus she is the D of P. With my limited time I always had considerations this was a conflict of interest.
As for how I wound up in an org with all the Internet info out there, well previous to joining the org I had no idea there was so much information out there, nor any want or reason to investigate, I guess on some level I am someone who needs to find things out for himself. Tough lesson this time round.
I did many many courses studied my butt off! Went through all the life improvement courses in a month then joined staff, the old routine, set you up with a terminal and eventually shove a contract under your nose- how can you say no! My personality tests went from flat line to all across the top.
I went with my terminal to the 1st year anniversary for the Melbourne ideal org, two weeks on staff at this point, I was sequestered to various terminals over there, not the "visiting a ideal org" I was lead to believe. Basically different terminals across divisions to access where I should end up.
At this point I would like to say I found the life improvement courses easy and yet seeminly giving me an improvement in my happiness. I was studying every night on basic study manual and the staff status'. Other than that I held reception daily and did all the lugging of heavy boxes up and down the stairs from div 6 to the org. The other thing was training to do stress testing and access OCAs. I went through the bsm and ssI and ssII with ease in about a third of checksheet time. The org was a buzz with this new guy who seemed to breeze through everything in front of him. I had also started book one auditing. I changed my book one auditor as the first one was very transparent, she was a miserable sap who I felt despised having to do anything in the org, constantly complaining. So my new book one auditor was a class IV auditor, we had much more constructive sessions. I started stcc and then moved onto the basics, these were simple study also. By this point the new auditor was very chummy and always suggesting I do auditor training, I plowed through the basics up to finishing handbook for preclears along the way got the hda done, then the has course. It was very much a case of every night drumming up my going for training, I met the senior c/s chief who put my csw together and got me posted in the ttc. She questioned why I was still an expeditor 4 months after finishing SSII. It appeared her and the D/ED didnt see eye to eye. My csw went through no worries the only stop was the last person on there asking I have some scientology auditing before coming to flag.
So I met with the D/ED on this and she stated that she also insisted I do the purif. I questioned why now the change of tact, as I had done everything out of the org to not be here, selling my business, breaking my lease, quit my job and now there was a change of opinion. This is when I decided things werent being done as they should be, I expressed my disproval. The ED suggested I go to the AO to do my purif, after I finished my auditing cycle. I asked to not have the same auditor I had for book one as I found his conduct increasingly questionable, infact having had shown him several times a reference to an auditor should always be professional as to purvey confidenc in his pcs, anyway the D/ED was happy to oblige. We started session and I had to fit in around the auditors other pcs, basically I was studying and in session everyday.
I know this is a bit of a mish mosh but after trying to forget all this im not entirely remembering in sequence. I was also giving nerve and touch assists almost daily and infact at times more than one per day, on staff and also public, I had learned to give assists pretty early on.
The events were always a burden for me, since selling my business I was working as a department manager for Iga starting at 3am, so needless to say by saturday night I was less than interested in being at an event. Ideal org event every Saturday night with the same dedicated public coming.
My girlfriend had started the odd course out of curiosity and was helping pack up events she was willing to come too, in the end she was coming just to spend more time with me! They only saw a target for recruitment, fortunately my direct nature held them at bay- I told the ED directly, I was never one to keep to the correct lines of communication. I have to be honest my auditing cycle was seemingly great for me. As my my study of the tech, it was easy and obvious to join the dots of where everything linked together! The big suggestion, obviously handled delicately as not to suggest it directly to me, but enough that I began to think it my self, I must have studied this before. I never thought of past lives before this.
Another thing I was doing was book one auditing, I had 3 pcs, the first got told not to come back as they thought him a squirel, as he was a self help kind of guy, as his job. The other two were fine.
Where it all began to come apart for me was, the PES who was my apparent terminal had a fight with the ED, D/ED as she had intended me for div 6 they had designs on auditor training, subsequently she left her post. I was not informed of her departure until after the fact, I thought this an outpoint. I raised this and was given some weak excuse from the D/ED. The constant hounding of public and staff for monies was beginning to really irritate me, I made mention of the org pushing away the few public they had, this was not well received. I had taken two guys from work into the org who were generally not happy, one was redged for his lifetime after two weeks, that really pissed me off- he later said to me he was basically held in a room not allowed to leave! I was not aware this was even intended. I know they were struggling to get their IAS quota.
My time at the Ao was extremely limited, by the time I got there I was well over the games. I landed on Sunday 19th August 1pm. Was driven to the AO, did a tour got put on the bus to the berthing. Now as soon as I arrived and was shown where id be living I immediately asked myself What are you doing?! 9 men in a room 6x3, I was left there for several hours on what you can not call a bed, finally someone came and took me to reception, I did the area of accessment form. Was sent back to my room. I will add at this point was about 6 pm, no meals given. I went for a wander and found the receptionist going through my form I just filled out- her reaction made me think she was changing things on there. She told me to go back to my room. Anyway so this is what id given up so much too, at this point I knew I wasnt sticking around. I did however send a message to the D/ED and my book one auditor, to let them know I wasnt impressed. I was met with contempt and even mockery. I got in touch with my girlfriend and also a friend in Sydney- to gauge if leaving in the middle of the night was the best option. I stayed the night adn did not sleep at all. I got out of bed around 5 for a shower- cold water only, spoke with my girlfriend, she book a flight back to Perth for 10am. So I decided to leave my suitcase and just took my napsack, walked about 30 minutes and called a taki, straight to the airport.
There were numerous calls and text messages from the D/ED to my phone and my girlfriends. Some others from various people, all trying to figure out if I was still in Sydney or back in Perth. Still ive not told them either way, I have got my suitcase back, everything is there. I have sent many emails to the ED, I even sent him the money back for the flight he paid for to Sydney. I have had one responce from him. I dont know why I sent him so many emails, but the point is i am past that. I received aggressive messages from the FR and my book one auditor. All ignored.
I have even had email from Nick Xenafon. He wants to talk to me, im not sure where that will take me, but basically im at the point where the ignorred emails really pissed me off, despite the blowing I was the model staff member. Doing bs chores that no one else would do, daily. I did ask the Ed to at least tell me to go away not ignor me as this provoked me. They stirred up a monster in me and I have every intention to bring them down, Nick Xenafon, Anonmus, who ever it takes to do this ill take all the help I can. I have no plan or direction as yet, except one org at a time and the first to fall by my hand will be Perth!


Again thankyou for this outlet, and sorry for the mishmosh. Its written straight as it flowed from my mind, still obviously a mishmosh itself.

Ryan.

Thanks so much for your story, Ryan. I know Lynley and Andrew. It's kind of sad that's all they have to show for a life's work - and for their kids.

I found Nick Xenophon and his staff to be really wonderful. I would definitely talk to him.

 

[Gib]

Firstly id like to mention ive been reading some of the stories on this forum, since I "blew" They have helped me keep on getting on with living and not dwelling on the failure of having been sucked into scientology. By no means is my encounter as extreme as any i have read, yet I am reeling still and seek some one to listen or talk to, I dont know.
I was only n scientology 10 months in total, 9 on staff. I was swiftly pegged for auditor training and made to believe many profound things about myself, my purpose and why I talk that first step of walking into the org for the first time.
I was on route to flag, a brief stop over at the AO ANZO along the way, when I blew. There were alot of instances in the Perth org that raised an eye brow, which were always given justification- perhaps my biggest regret is having turned a blind eye to these. I was a very fast study of the tech, knocking out any course in half checksheet time ( is this why I was so hastily recruited?) I have alot of lingering questions, I hope to hear from some of you as to help me lay this to rest. For the record, the org ignor all communication I have sent, which has now stopped.
Thanks- notice I use my real name as my username- I dont fear this people, they are weak and feebleminded- I do this in challenge of their intellect!

Antagonisticly
Ryan MacLean!

Have you seen the Aaron Saxon you tube videos? I just listened to them. All I can say is WOW, now I understand.

There are 7 video parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDnXiTZxyCw&feature=relmfu

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Delicious CAEK for RyanMac and Smackie in Celebration of their FREEDOM!!!

 

[Miss Pert]

Hey Ryan! I am curious to know who your auditors were, especially the class IV. I trained at Flag with a few of them when I was on staff at Sydney org. If you don't want to name your them on the board you can pm me.

By the way, be REALLY REALLY REALLY glad you never made it to Flag.

 

[onthepes]

Firstly id like to mention ive been reading some of the stories on this forum, since I "blew" They have helped me keep on getting on with living and not dwelling on the failure of having been sucked into scientology. By no means is my encounter as extreme as any i have read, yet I am reeling still and seek some one to listen or talk to, I dont know.
I was only n scientology 10 months in total, 9 on staff. I was swiftly pegged for auditor training and made to believe many profound things about myself, my purpose and why I talk that first step of walking into the org for the first time.
I was on route to flag, a brief stop over at the AO ANZO along the way, when I blew. There were alot of instances in the Perth org that raised an eye brow, which were always given justification- perhaps my biggest regret is having turned a blind eye to these. I was a very fast study of the tech, knocking out any course in half checksheet time ( is this why I was so hastily recruited?) I have alot of lingering questions, I hope to hear from some of you as to help me lay this to rest. For the record, the org ignor all communication I have sent, which has now stopped.
Thanks- notice I use my real name as my username- I dont fear this people, they are weak and feebleminded- I do this in challenge of their intellect!

Antagonisticly
Ryan MacLean!

Thanks Ryan. You are a true champion. Just for the fact that you have left. Plus you put your name and pic up. Go you good thing. You inspired me. I got a message from a Scio yesterday. For the first time since I left a year ago I actually admitted to them that I am no longer connected to Scientology. I think you played a part in that.

Although I have not been as brazen as you - one of my balls is larger and the other one should go into agreement shortly

 

[ryanmac]

Hey Ryan! I am curious to know who your auditors were, especially the class IV. I trained at Flag with a few of them when I was on staff at Sydney org. If you don't want to name your them on the board you can pm me.

By the way, be REALLY REALLY REALLY glad you never made it to Flag.

Yeah, I am glad I came to my sences. Alot of it was the stories from staff, espically the cheif acadamy sup. He was there for 5 years! Only got to class IV, Micheal Norman. He aaid so much to me about his experiences there, never ib words, only in his body language.
My first auditir for book one, who was a class IV, still doing his intern was Andre Drury. The one I had for my Scientology auditing was Wayne Saunders.
I have no worry naming them- should I?
Id like to hear your stories about flag experience.
Funny the day before I left Andre Drury game me drilling of dos and donts it was quiet humerous. All the bs!

 

[Panda Termint]

Hi, Ryan and to ESMB.
I'm happy to hear that you're free of them.

 

[Panda Termint]

Hoot! Another Scot joins the fray!!!

Welcome Ryan! So glad that you are out and joined us here! Feel free to ask any questions or just tell your side of things, as you see fit to do.

Really cool that you got yourself out of the trap in such short time. Sorry that things seen a bit rough for you now, but they will get better!

Welcome!

That'd be Perth in West Australia, not Perth in Scotland, Sweetness.

 

[ryanmac]

Thanks Ryan. You are a true champion. Just for the fact that you have left. Plus you put your name and pic up. Go you good thing. You inspired me. I got a message from a Scio yesterday. For the first time since I left a year ago I actually admitted to them that I am no longer connected to Scientology. I think you played a part in that.

Although I have not been as brazen as you - one of my balls is larger and the other one should go into agreement shortly

Im glad youve been able to speak directly and honestly with them! Dont take away from your own courage in doing so. Keep on living life- and thank those that started this forum and keep it going.

 

[onthepes]

I know this is a bit of a mish mosh but after trying to forget all this im not entirely remembering in sequence.

Again thankyou for this outlet, and sorry for the mishmosh. Its written straight as it flowed from my mind, still obviously a mishmosh itself.

Ryan.

Ryan, dude, who cares about the mish mosh. This is gold. Are you my brother lol? This stuff went on in my old Org. Infighting. Different ideas on what post you would like. YOU ROCK

 

[onthepes]

Im glad youve been able to speak directly and honestly with them! Dont take away from your own courage in doing so. Keep on living life- and thank those that started this forum and keep it going.

Thanks Ryan. One thing. ONE THING I seem to have taken away since leaving Scientology is that NOBODY makes me wrong. I don't think that is a win from Scientology Tech. I think that is a win from putting up with copious amounts of bullshit and coming out the otherside.

I hearby rename the "road to freedom" to the "road of freedom". We are ON the road. We don't need to jump through 893 imaginary hoops to get "to" an imaginary goal. We can be free now. Free of the insanity of Scientology.

 

[onthepes]

Hey Ryan! I am curious to know who your auditors were, especially the class IV. I trained at Flag with a few of them when I was on staff at Sydney org. If you don't want to name your them on the board you can pm me.

By the way, be REALLY REALLY REALLY glad you never made it to Flag.

You're the coolest , Miss Pert

 

[onthepes]

Yeah, I am glad I came to my sences. Alot of it was the stories from staff, espically the cheif acadamy sup. He was there for 5 years! Only got to class IV, Micheal Norman. He aaid so much to me about his experiences there, never ib words, only in his body language.
My first auditir for book one, who was a class IV, still doing his intern was Andre Drury. The one I had for my Scientology auditing was Wayne Saunders.
I have no worry naming them- should I?
Id like to hear your stories about flag experience.
Funny the day before I left Andre Drury game me drilling of dos and donts it was quiet humerous. All the bs!

Holy crap. I worked with Michael Norman's twin in Briz. I was at Flag for 4 days. Hooray for me. I got out of there because I sensed much fear and pain. I saw Michael there. He looked a bit numb to be honest. He almost seemed embarrassed. Glad he made it back, but WTF!!!!!! Class IV after 5 years. PMSL. I'm sorry. This is awesome...my heart does go out to Michael though

 

[ryanmac]

Yeah Micheal Norman is someone I really felt for. A tireless workhorse who constantly gets kicked! If there was someone I could drag out it would be him. I have a soft spot for the nub type of fellow...

 

[onthepes]

Yeah Micheal Norman is someone I really felt for. A tireless workhorse who constantly gets kicked! If there was someone I could drag out it would be him. I have a soft spot for the nub type of fellow...

Yeah I felt the same for his twin Richard. Great guy . Been there for years. Saved the Org numerous times filling in on posts and also financially. He also gets kicked. They had a brother Peter who worked there for about 10 years. Good guy too. I think he has moved on though and living overseas. He's probably never been happier

 

[onthepes]

Yeah, I am glad I came to my sences. Alot of it was the stories from staff, espically the cheif acadamy sup. He was there for 5 years! Only got to class IV, Micheal Norman. He aaid so much to me about his experiences there, never ib words, only in his body language.
My first auditir for book one, who was a class IV, still doing his intern was Andre Drury. The one I had for my Scientology auditing was Wayne Saunders.
I have no worry naming them- should I?
Id like to hear your stories about flag experience.
Funny the day before I left Andre Drury game me drilling of dos and donts it was quiet humerous. All the bs!

Hey mate. Where was Wayne Saunders based? I knew a Wayne on Sydney Foundation. He was a little dude with glasses. Quite affable. I could be barking up the wrong tree. Then again....I was for 7 years

 

[SweetnessandLight]

That'd be Perth in West Australia, not Perth in Scotland, Sweetness.

Thanks Pandy, but I wasn't even thinking of that...with a name like Ryan Mac (something or other) he's bound to be a Scot! (Or have some Scots ancestors, which is what counts for us here in the States! We're all so muttley~~~ Plus the attitude when riled! HOOT! )

 

[scooter]

Welcome "out," Ryan

I don't drop in here much anymore so it's really nice to see folk from Oz coming out with a bang like you have.

We can has more of your story?