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Poor old Mark Baker. The etiquette nazis need to save him or save esmb from the terrible crimes of those who have forgotten Mrs Fotheringham's Rules of Social Intercourse. Get over yourselves and worry about real problems. Since you are getting so fidgety about handing out advice to adults; that is my advice to you.
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
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Poor old Mark Baker. The etiquette nazis need to save him or save esmb from the terrible crimes of those who have forgotten Mrs Fotheringham's Rules of Social Intercourse. Get over yourselves and worry about real problems. Since you are getting so fidgety about handing out advice to adults; that is my advice to you.

After you, my dear Alphonse.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
He makes comments that seem designed to get emotional responses from exes, and it happens.

Yeah. What is THAT all about? :confused2:

When I left Scientology I thought that I left "tone scale" games behind. Personally, I can't even imagine trying to put together posts with an aim to "create (negative) emotional effects" on others (of the HE & R variety).

That reminds me of Vinaire (good riddance). He was another who seemed to revel in "pushing buttons", and trying to "get an emotional reaction".

I have NO USE for such shenanigans. Especially if the person attempting to "elicit emotional reactions" does so under the guise of "logic, reason and intelligent discussion". :duh:

Just talk. Be genuine. Be real. Is that so difficult? Is that asking too much? Some here on ESMB really ARE "real", "genuine", and seem to do their best to communicate clearly with an aim to "share". And, some don't . . . . .
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
It's true. We are a very unique bunch of people. That's probably why so many of us come here a lot. To be with other weirdos!! I know that's one of my reasons...

Seriously, did you guys ever have this experience- you say something funny (or you think it is), a literary allusion, a quip. an analogy or simile - to a coworker or someone like that and they look at you with this glazed expression? And you realize there's not much of a frame of refence there.

And we come here and there're quirky people who really get it. They get the other person, they understand. Not only do almost all of us understand Scn'ese, but we
also like to read, we have odd senses of humor.

You...complete me!!
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
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So, where were we? Oh yeah . . . since Engrams don't exist, what else did L Ron Hubbard lie about?

Better yet, let's go pamphlet size and see what he told the truth about, other than the obvious mewlings, worldly wisdom that everyone already understands, its going to be a nice short blank-ish-ness page :p

"I never had a second wife." LRH so said after already marrying a third time, iya, that old interview shows how messed up the old drunken speedin' windbag really was. (actually what doesn't? :shrug: )
If I am not mistaken its around the time the Tubster was trying to crucify Sara N.
No matter, all lies, big con, life goes on quite well without him. Byeeee LRon! Glad yer dead! :dance:
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
It's true. We are a very unique bunch of people. That's probably why so many of us come here a lot. To be with other weirdos!! I know that's one of my reasons...

Seriously, did you guys ever have this experience- you say something funny (or you think it is), a literary allusion, a quip. an analogy or simile - to a coworker or someone like that and they look at you with this glazed expression? And you realize there's not much of a frame of refence there.

And we come here and there're quirky people who really get it. They get the other person, they understand. Not only do almost all of us understand Scn'ese, but we
also like to read, we have odd senses of humor.


You...complete me!!

The elimination or diminishment of the feeling of isolation.

This, more than anything, is the trap of Scientology and the genius behind Dianetics whether by accident or design. You get the idea of being connected and no longer isolated.

Isn't it interesting that both Scientology and ESMB threaten isolation in terms of discipline and punishment?
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
The word 'Scientology' has about the same same level of feel good factor as 'Ebola' or 'Rabies', in the minds of the general population, and rightfully so.

As ye sow, so shall ye [STRIKE]creep [/STRIKE] reap.

It's like a disease...like AIDS or something.

"Hello, I've come down with Scientology."

"She's contracted Scientology."

"I'm afraid he's afflicted with Scientology!"
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Yeah. What is THAT all about? :confused2:

When I left Scientology I thought that I left "tone scale" games behind. Personally, I can't even imagine trying to put together posts with an aim to "create (negative) emotional effects" on others (of the HE & R variety).

That reminds me of Vinaire (good riddance). He was another who seemed to revel in "pushing buttons", and trying to "get an emotional reaction".

I have NO USE for such shenanigans. Especially if the person attempting to "elicit emotional reactions" does so under the guise of "logic, reason and intelligent discussion". :duh:

Just talk. Be genuine. Be real. Is that so difficult? Is that asking too much? Some here on ESMB really ARE "real", "genuine", and seem to do their best to communicate clearly with an aim to "share". And, some don't . . . . .
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That really covered it !
Some people seem able to get their body out of the cult but keep their minds deeply mired in the cult.

And then they wonder why they chap so many asses here on ESMB - LOL !
 

Gadfly

Crusader
What about this one: "Life is a game"

What say ye? Ay or Nay?

Well, there is no doubt that if one looks around that one can see a great many things "fighting to survive and win".

Life forms DO seem to have various freedoms, barriers and purposes (mostly instinctual). And, people, with the ability to conceive of "mental purposes" (separate from pure instinct), add more chaos to the whole mixture.

But, one can choose to NOT "play games" (in the negative sense of the term).

Also, to relate this to spirituality and something like Buddhism, a state of "pure consciousness" or "pure being" would be what Hubbard called a "no games condition". Nothing happening. No interest to try to "make anything happen", or to have the need to create any effect.

Cripes, even planets seem to have a "purpose" to spin forever around a sun, and electrons seem to have different purposes, though granted, it doesn't seem like they have much in terms of "freedoms", and their actions are almost totally determined by various "barriers" (gravity, strong nuclear forces, weak nuclear forces, etc.).

If one wants to succeed in life in some way, it probably helps to view it as some sort of game (though it need not be so brutually competetive). And, "winning" need not be so damned important and serious as it is viewed in Scientology:

"Your personal future for all eternity depends solely on whether Scientology makes it". - L. Ron Dumbass

To me, Hubbard's model of life as a game seems fairly accurate, since a "purpose" can include just about ANY goal or desire on ANY dynamic (physical, mental or emotional). And, there always seems to be some sort of balance between freedoms and barriers, where neither can ever gain complete ascendency over the other. If one takes either freedom to the limit of infinity or barriers to the limit of infinity (viewed as a sort of equation of Calculus), in both cases, again, there would be NO GAME possiblle. Of course, in REAL LIFE, such absolutes do NOT exist on any level.

Look around and find a real true "no games condition". Not easy to do. :omg:

Whether one calls these things games or not, there seems to be endless "purposes" in endless competetion with endless barriers involving various endless freedoms.

I would be interested how this could be delineated in some OTHER way. Any takers?

I think Hubbard did pretty good with this one. :biggrin:
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Re: the BULLY CARD !

It can be a bit of a buzzphrase that is meaningless, at times. I've seen that happen.

And sometimes there is bullying going on.

So I don't have an arbitrary about that- that it's always bullshit or a tactic or that it's always true. It is a thing that happens sometimes and sometimes it's an untrue claim.

Nevermind.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
It's like a disease...like AIDS or something.

"Hello, I've come down with Scientology."

"She's contracted Scientology."

"I'm afraid he's afflicted with Scientology!"

Yeah, and ESMB and many other critical Internet web places are the INOCULATION and VACCINE!!!!!! They are the CURE!

Of course the best solution is to NEVER GET THE DISEASE in the first place (never walk into any org and take any service).
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
It's like a disease...like AIDS or something.

"Hello, I've come down with Scientology."

"She's contracted Scientology."

"I'm afraid he's afflicted with Scientology!"

:roflmao:

"Holy Hubbard! (*fuck!), The cows have scientology! (*mad cow disease), call the R2-45 auditor! (*start the tractor Jeb!)...
 

PirateAndBum

Gold Meritorious Patron
A disease my ass. You people! Can't a cult get no respect?

Why just the other day I was talking to my barber, Joe. I said, "Joe, those bleeptards on ESMB sure do think Scientology's founder was a bad bad man."

Joe replied, ":omg: you mean that lying conman Hubturd?"

"Never mind Joe..."

... back to the OSA office
 
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