tr8theta
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Hello All,
I am under the impression that it is safe to express oneself honestly here although I realize that I may be subjecting myself to
some pretty harsh criticism...which is fine with me. All your opinions, comments, questions, attacks or perhaps even praises are welcome.
The specific definitions I am using for the two words below (criticize and discriminate) are as follows:
Criticize - to point out the good and bad parts in something
Discriminate - to recognize differences between things
I became a scientologist in 1968 after reading "A New Slant On Life"
I am a former SO member (1970 to 1982)
I met LRH and knew and worked with him personally in various aspects.
First I was on the Flag Ship Apollo and then at the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Fla
I was also put into the RPF from which I "properly" routed out (I did not blow)
Nonetheless, my name is on the list of declared SPs.
I have been forewarned that there are many ex-scientologists and former SO members who post here who are very much anti-scientology who have personally had bad, or terrible or even horrendous experiences and/or have witnessed others having such.
I have watched all the Leah Remini episodes and applaud what she is doing to expose the atrocities that have taken place in the past and which continue to occur which have hurt people, ruined relationships, broken up families and which have caused good people to leave SCN and/or the SO - people who originally became involved with high expectations and sincere intentions to do good for themselves, their families and the planet. My heart goes out to ALL who have endured hardship and tremendous disappointment and even worse - imprisonment against ones will - to name a few)
I have a few questions to ask any and all who read this no matter what your personal experience was and I welcome and appreciate your total honest replies. I will listen and totally respect ALL of them.
1. In retrospect, at any time while you were actively in SCN and/or the SO) was there any personal experience whatsoever that was enjoyable or positive or which you felt you were the better for it?
I ask this because considering my entire time in SCN and the SO and all my experiences both PRO and CON or somewhere in between they were overall pretty much okay. I'm just curious to know from you if EVERY SINGLE THING you experienced was totally BAD - with no exceptions.
If I were to tell stories of some of my more positive or enjoyable experiences in SCN and the SO would that be welcome here by any of you or totally frowned upon in which case I should refrain from doing so? I'm NOT trying to ruffle any feathers or violate any forum rules...just trying to get a feel for this site and it's members.
2. Taking into account the above are you against the Church of SCN and/or the SO as a whole entire entity and everyone in it?
Using the Catholic Church as an analogy as you know there are priests within it who are pedophiles who have done much to harm young men physically, mentally and emotionally, but does that mean that the entire Catholic Church and all the priests in it and all it's doctrines and beliefs are bad...or just the few wrongdoers who have caused it to get a bad name and reputation?
The point I'm trying to politely make with respect to you all (and this is just my opinion) is that I feel that Scientology itself (the basic truths and principles) uncontaminated by those who knowingly abuse, mis-use and complacently mis-understand the technology and policies... is itself good...and that it is the rotten apples in the basket - the evil wrongdoers within all levels of the SCN and SO hierarchy who should rightfully be targeted and attacked and held accountable for their actions.
There is no way that of the millions of scientologists and however many sea org members there are in the world that they are ALL bad, evil people. It seems to me that Leah Remini while doing a good thing by exposing the bad does notjustly critique or discriminate between the good members of the Church and the bad members but rather attacks the entire Church itself as a whole with no due regard for what parts are good about it.
3. Even though you are an EX do you still believe in or use ANY of the basics of SCN in your life such as:
Using a dictionary to look up words you don't know or understand? I don't know about you but in my entire schooling from pre-K to college grad I was NEVER taught or encouraged to use a dictionary by any teacher or professor nor did it dawn on me to use one. That one basic piece of tech has helped and continues to help me understand what I am reading.
The basics of communication and the ARC triangle, the 8 dynamics, ethics, axioms etc...or is your conviction that it is all trash useless and nonsense?
Thank you for reading this and for caring to respond (if you decide to do so)
Oh yeah, some of you may be wondering why, if I still believe in what I refer to as the good part of SCN am I not still in it?
I left the SO during the nasty episode of entheta, enturbulation and outright anti-LRH and SCN that I heard and witnessed between Mission Holders and SO Management at Flag. Ever since then there has been so much entheta and controversy and back and forth attacks in the press, TV, internet, youtube etc..involving the higher ups from David Miscavage on down the ladder and as a declared SP I do not know where I stand, nor do I know whom to trust anymore, nor do I wish to subject myself to any possible harrassment. I am 70 years old just want to live in peace.
MJ
I am under the impression that it is safe to express oneself honestly here although I realize that I may be subjecting myself to
some pretty harsh criticism...which is fine with me. All your opinions, comments, questions, attacks or perhaps even praises are welcome.
The specific definitions I am using for the two words below (criticize and discriminate) are as follows:
Criticize - to point out the good and bad parts in something
Discriminate - to recognize differences between things
I became a scientologist in 1968 after reading "A New Slant On Life"
I am a former SO member (1970 to 1982)
I met LRH and knew and worked with him personally in various aspects.
First I was on the Flag Ship Apollo and then at the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Fla
I was also put into the RPF from which I "properly" routed out (I did not blow)
Nonetheless, my name is on the list of declared SPs.
I have been forewarned that there are many ex-scientologists and former SO members who post here who are very much anti-scientology who have personally had bad, or terrible or even horrendous experiences and/or have witnessed others having such.
I have watched all the Leah Remini episodes and applaud what she is doing to expose the atrocities that have taken place in the past and which continue to occur which have hurt people, ruined relationships, broken up families and which have caused good people to leave SCN and/or the SO - people who originally became involved with high expectations and sincere intentions to do good for themselves, their families and the planet. My heart goes out to ALL who have endured hardship and tremendous disappointment and even worse - imprisonment against ones will - to name a few)
I have a few questions to ask any and all who read this no matter what your personal experience was and I welcome and appreciate your total honest replies. I will listen and totally respect ALL of them.
1. In retrospect, at any time while you were actively in SCN and/or the SO) was there any personal experience whatsoever that was enjoyable or positive or which you felt you were the better for it?
I ask this because considering my entire time in SCN and the SO and all my experiences both PRO and CON or somewhere in between they were overall pretty much okay. I'm just curious to know from you if EVERY SINGLE THING you experienced was totally BAD - with no exceptions.
If I were to tell stories of some of my more positive or enjoyable experiences in SCN and the SO would that be welcome here by any of you or totally frowned upon in which case I should refrain from doing so? I'm NOT trying to ruffle any feathers or violate any forum rules...just trying to get a feel for this site and it's members.
2. Taking into account the above are you against the Church of SCN and/or the SO as a whole entire entity and everyone in it?
Using the Catholic Church as an analogy as you know there are priests within it who are pedophiles who have done much to harm young men physically, mentally and emotionally, but does that mean that the entire Catholic Church and all the priests in it and all it's doctrines and beliefs are bad...or just the few wrongdoers who have caused it to get a bad name and reputation?
The point I'm trying to politely make with respect to you all (and this is just my opinion) is that I feel that Scientology itself (the basic truths and principles) uncontaminated by those who knowingly abuse, mis-use and complacently mis-understand the technology and policies... is itself good...and that it is the rotten apples in the basket - the evil wrongdoers within all levels of the SCN and SO hierarchy who should rightfully be targeted and attacked and held accountable for their actions.
There is no way that of the millions of scientologists and however many sea org members there are in the world that they are ALL bad, evil people. It seems to me that Leah Remini while doing a good thing by exposing the bad does notjustly critique or discriminate between the good members of the Church and the bad members but rather attacks the entire Church itself as a whole with no due regard for what parts are good about it.
3. Even though you are an EX do you still believe in or use ANY of the basics of SCN in your life such as:
Using a dictionary to look up words you don't know or understand? I don't know about you but in my entire schooling from pre-K to college grad I was NEVER taught or encouraged to use a dictionary by any teacher or professor nor did it dawn on me to use one. That one basic piece of tech has helped and continues to help me understand what I am reading.
The basics of communication and the ARC triangle, the 8 dynamics, ethics, axioms etc...or is your conviction that it is all trash useless and nonsense?
Thank you for reading this and for caring to respond (if you decide to do so)
Oh yeah, some of you may be wondering why, if I still believe in what I refer to as the good part of SCN am I not still in it?
I left the SO during the nasty episode of entheta, enturbulation and outright anti-LRH and SCN that I heard and witnessed between Mission Holders and SO Management at Flag. Ever since then there has been so much entheta and controversy and back and forth attacks in the press, TV, internet, youtube etc..involving the higher ups from David Miscavage on down the ladder and as a declared SP I do not know where I stand, nor do I know whom to trust anymore, nor do I wish to subject myself to any possible harrassment. I am 70 years old just want to live in peace.
MJ