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And it so unfortunate how many, even around here, still "believe" in him and continue to push how "great" he was - and is - for all mankind.

Face, your truth helps so many who struggle, or have struggled, in the cult.

Please keep it up !

I agree with your comments about face, however your preamble - not so much. I don't see any posters around esmb who 'push how great LRH was'.

A few are willing to admit that in addition to the horrendous things he did, he could also do some very 'positive' things. A very tiny few prefer to recall their own positive memories in light of the overwhelming abundance of those who have made it their constant mission to continually diatribe on the evils that have occurred. That doesn't necessarily qualify these few as 'apologists', merely individuals interested in more than the one side of LRH's character most commonly presented on the board.

Unfortunately, some here are unwilling to have anyone state anything 'positive' about LRH as it jars with their own fixed attitudes that somehow he must be uniquely among men 'totally evil'. He had plenty of 'bad', allowing for the recall of a little of the 'good' from time to time doesn't negate that.


Mark A. Baker
 

FoTi

Crusader
Face.....thanks for taking the time to write up your experiences with LRH and Mary sue. It's the only way a lot of us can see what went on backstage, that was affecting our lives. It's much appreciated. I love your writing and your stories and look forward to more. :drama: :cheers2:
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
I remember Diana came and played at the Manor Hotel....the piano was set up in the gazebo out in the yard on the Franklin side of the manor. I wasn't impressed with her playing. She seemed to create more of a visual effect with her long red hair. I don't recall if it was in the 70s or 80s. I don't think she was in the SO at the time....maybe she was promoting her album? Whatever, I never bought her album because I wasn't impressed with her playing, but then, I'm not easily impressed by musicians....I'm pretty choosy about who I think is outstanding. Maybe comparing her to Leonard Pennario isn't really fair? LOL

It may have been one of those alba that you specially buy just to demonstrate to others how truly bad it is.
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
I agree with your comments about face, however your preamble - not so much. I don't see any posters around esmb who 'push how great LRH was'.

A few are willing to admit that in addition to the horrendous things he did, he could also do some very 'positive' things. A very tiny few prefer to recall their own positive memories in light of the overwhelming abundance of those who have made it their constant mission to continually diatribe on the evils that have occurred. That doesn't necessarily qualify these few as 'apologists', merely individuals interested in more than the one side of LRH's character most commonly presented on the board.

Unfortunately, some here are unwilling to have anyone state anything 'positive' about LRH as it jars with their own fixed attitudes that somehow he must be uniquely among men 'totally evil'. He had plenty of 'bad', allowing for the recall of a little of the 'good' from time to time doesn't negate that.


Mark A. Baker

I'd not go so far as to say the man was totally evil.

However, to me, he has done more overall harm than good to people. ......by far
Did he do some 'good' things? No doubt.

But far more likely he wll be remembered for the batshit crazy things.

More than a diatribe against him and disliking anything positive said about him it might be closer to the truth to look at it slightly differently...

Obviously, there are a lot more readers of a thread than there are posters to a thread ( well, on most threads:) ) and there sit the people with doubts, the fence sitters, the newly out, and perhaps those considering getting "in".

This is, after all, an X scn message board and as it should be. one is relatively free to put forth whatever views that want to put forth.

I guess, for me - and my particular weirdnesses - I find it odd on this particlular board ( of all boards ) some people seem to come here to post the " good side " of LRH .....
know what I mean?
 
... I guess, for me - and my particular weirdnesses - I find it odd on this particlular board ( of all boards ) some people seem to come here to post the " good side " of LRH .....
know what I mean?

Actually I do, although I don't agree with your conclusion. I consider that posting about both the 'good' as well as the 'bad' is necessary in order accurately depict LRH in his life.

Some here seem to feel that representations of his 'good' side will serve to 'whitewash' his history. Given that history, that simply will not happen. Frankly, I think they fail to give proper credit to the utility of open & honest discussions about LRH. What made the original cult of personality built up around Hubbard possible was the deliberately one-sided presentation of his official 'history' sanctioned by Hubbard & his church. The best way to demonstrate the duplicity of that approach is to simply relate the facts of his life without attempt at one-sided persuasion.


Mark A. Baker
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Actually I do, although I don't agree with your conclusion. I consider that posting about both the 'good' as well as the 'bad' is necessary in order accurately depict LRH in his life.

Some here seem to feel that representations of his 'good' side will serve to 'whitewash' his history. Given that history, that simply will not happen. Frankly, I think they fail to give proper credit to the utility of open & honest discussions about LRH. What made the original cult of personality built up around Hubbard possible was the deliberately one-sided presentation of his official 'history' sanctioned by Hubbard & his church. The best way to demonstrate the duplicity of that approach is to simply relate the facts of his life without attempt at one-sided persuasion.


Mark A. Baker

You have a point. However rather than "one sided" is to devote time to 'good/bad' in relation to the 'good/bad'........so it seems, to me, more than somewhat appropriate to spend more time on what he fucked up ( or over ) than what he did 'right' by most any moral, ethical, or legal "standard".
 

afaceinthecrowd

Gold Meritorious Patron
Shooting Stars, Part Nine

“In time we hate that which we often fear.” William Shakespeare

There are folks here on ESMB that have thousands of “Well Done” Hours in the chair. There are folks here that paid hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for Scn "services". There are folks here that toiled decades working in Scn Orgs and Units. There are folks here that gave tens upon tens of thousands of dollars to support Scns “needs” and “causes”. And, there are folks here that were hurt, are hurting or still being hurt by Scn.

“Never fear to hurt another in a just cause,” wrote El Ron in the Scn Code of “Honor”. These words were Hisself’s personal little “escape” clause as El Ron was the sole "Source" and Scn was the "Just Cause"—always—thereby fostering and protecting the image of El Ron, The Honorable; “Mankind’s Best Friend”. The El Ron I knew was not a friend of mankind. El Ron was Hisself’s own kind and instilling fear in and the stultifying and hurting others was what El Ron was a actually a "Master" of and Hisself's true "Genius".

All of Us have experiences with Scn that sadden us, torment our minds and weigh heavy on our hearts. What saddens me, torments me and weighs heaviest is not what happened to me but what I saw happen to others I knew…and I just stood there and watched, spiritually muted and hobbled by the blinders, mask and muzzle of El Ron’s "Codes", Green “Tech” and “Red” Tech.


Part Nine

Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars (cont.)


“Fear, The Padlock On ‘The Gate of Greed’”

When El Ron, overnight in a musical chaired rip off, elevated yours truly to the ranks of the Apollo’s “Inner Circle” I entered a realm that few Scns ever experienced and was, for me, the beginning of my own personal journey through the Erebus of Hisself’s life of lies.

Scns Kristallnacht was not an isolated and singular event that El Ron was “duped” or “misled” into—it was just another harvest (albeit Hisself's biggest yet) of the fruit’s from the deeply rooted, poisonous plant of El Ron’s Worldview; the Vine of Fear. The most haggard, brow beaten and emotionally squashed Crew of the Apollo, and the Midship’s Upper Decks (MUD’s), were the staff of the Household Unit (HU). These were the people that served as personal stewards, cooks, servants, butlers, facilitators and “whipping boys” to El Ron El Rey and Family.

Arthur Hubbard was a smart, sassy, bratty, mischievous, semi talented budding artist that obviously had neither the aptitude nor “juice” to ever be anything or a "Somebody" in Institutionalized Scn. He was indifferent regarding the “servants” and was not kind or unkind and diffident in interaction with the “help”.

Suzette Hubbard was an energetic, bright, fun, witty and “girl next door” cute and attractive. She had not the slightest interest or desire in being “Somebody” in Scn. She was invariably respectful and appreciative to the help and never petulant that I saw. I can clearly see why Arnie Lerma fell in love with her and she with him. Like most folks, she just wanted to have a life and what happened doesn’t surprise me in the least on El Ron’s part.

Quinton Hubbard was a very bright, sincere, kind and soemwhat fragile young man that was interested in “Wog” technology of all sorts but, in particular, was utterly infatuated with airplanes and flying. “Q”—as he was known by the inner circle folks on the MUD’s—was deeply tormented by the circumstance he was born into. Q was not only very respectful and kind to the help, some of them were among the closest and dearest friends he would have in his tragic and far too short life.

Diana Hubbard was an intelligent, aloof, status conscious, picky, prissy, Princess “Valenced” and Anorexic young adult that had absolutely no business being posted as CS-6 and, deep down inside, I personally think she knew it. Diana, depending upon her mood de jour, could be anything from gracious and “Princess-like” to vicious and shrew-like to the servants. She took up more HU staff time and attention than all three of her sibs combined.

Mary Sue I have written about somewhat extensively already on ESMB. She was the glue that bound the Hubbard’s together into some semblance of Family. She dearly loved and was deeply devoted to her children. She was a Southern Belle of sorts, impeccably mannered, fiercely loyal and tough as nails…tougher than El Ron and Hisself knew it. Her greatest weakness was her total devotion to El Ron and Hisself knew that, too. El Ron “ruled the roost” over the HU but Mary Sue did her best to run “interference” for the staff and was, from what I saw, always respectful, gracious and considerate towards them. She could be somewhat demanding occasionally but was not petty or spiteful.

El Ron was another story or, shall we say, The Story. It was gruesome to watch and see just how cruel and foul El Ron could be to not just only other human beings, but to folks that Hisself had such altitude and dominion over. Bluntly, I started having transient thoughts that if what I saw Hisself do and act towards others was “OT”, then just what is the “State” truly about or, more importantly, is “It” even actually for real.

Talk about “Case on Post”! El Ron would whine, berate, bellow at and flat out “invalidate” the very people that were working 80+ hours a week—for ten bucks pay—to wait on Hisself hand and foot. I’m sorry folks, that’s just the facts and I don’t care who says Hisself was “using the right tone level” or “correct amount of ‘intention’ or ‘force’”; I saw what Hisself did to these people, I looked into their beleaguered eyes and was a friend of some of them (as much as there could be the practice friendship in the realm of the MUD’s). If there is one thing that I feel “guilt” about regarding my Life and Times with El Ron, as a SO Senior Officer and a Scn it’s this; El Ron was always pleasant, polite and most cordial with me, never once got mad at me and gave me praise and “validation”, all the while treating disgustingly and cruelly they that deserved Hisself’s “Charms” far, far more than I.

Of all the HU folks, the story of Rick Sheehy weighs heaviest on my heart. For a number of years on the Apollo, and just after the move to land, Rick Sheehy held probably the most thankless, withering and perilous posts in the SO—the Post of Commodore’s Personal Steward. Rick was a fit, handsome, very intelligent, highly energetic young man and was as all around decent, humorous, straightforward and thoroughly pleasant a fellow as I have ever met. Rick had grown up on Chicago’s North Side and in demeanor was sort of a cross between mid-west wholesome and North Side Ivy League. If memory serves, Rick was either Cl IV or on the BC when he joined Flag Crew with the dream and goal of becoming a Cl XII but was snatched by El Ron for the HU.

Rick was everything you’d want in an Auditor and that fact was more than well proved by the way he day after day handled the years of mood swings, tantrums and brow beatings of “The Founder”…the guy had cool, guts, instincts and a calming presence. I could never do the job Rick did, for as long as he did it, and not many folks in all of Scn could have, either. In fairly regular diatribes, El Ron harangued various HU staff but Rick bore the brunt of it; “there’s soap residue in my socks; there’s soap film on my fork; there's too much gluten in my bread, whaddaya trying to do, make me sick and crash my stats; you’re trying to poison me; you’re assigned Confusion for not having my milk here on time (Crew rarely had fresh milk...El Ron and Family had all they wanted, when they wanted).” Alternatively, El Ron would move into one of his “chat and brag” and cajoling moods and, turning on the ‘Charm”, would prattle away in Hisself’s cabin telling Rick some of the stories that we now know are mostly a pack of lies. Over time Rick became very, very adept at “handling” El Ron.

For all Rick went through he remained devoted to El Ron and, even more so, to “The Tech”. When the Old Guard was being shunted away Rick, like Urq, was granted what he wanted most of all in the world; Rick was assigned to the FSO Tech Div and trained up to Cl XII. As all of us that have read the Lisa McPherson Story knows, Rick’s Story as a Cl XII did not have a happy ending…once again, Rick was, by de facto, El Ron’s Whipping Boy. Around 2 years ago I began reading the El Ron and Scn “stuff” on the Net and was appalled at what I read but, honestly, not all that surprised. I was appalled at what had happened to Ms. McPherson but not surprised that her Auditor took the fall. But, my heart is heavy that Rick Sheehy, of all people, would wind up in this circumstance; I’m not absolving Rick of what his responsibility factually and morally may be—I’m just so saddened to see such a fine, fine young man’s life’s commitment end up broken and destroyed by the “Organization” and “Tech”, “Gifted to all Mankind”, by the “man” he was so steadfastly of impeccable service to.

“Hate, The Key To The Padlock Of Fear”

As I have written on ESMB previously, I see fear as one of the primary drivers to El Ron’s true legacy. Borrowing and paraphrasing from posts I made a year ago on the Apollo Thread: My premise is all that “edifice”—the Orgs, Missions, Red “Tech”, Green “Tech”, etc—is the artifact construct of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP; “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?

El Ron's HU is a microcosm of Hisself’s "legacy building".

The personnel of the HU were highly qualified, carefully selected, fervently dedicated and most, if not all, had “Tech” training. These were, for the most part, good intentioned, very bright to smart, highly dedicated and very sincere people that El Ron—deep down inside—distrusted, suspected of having “evil intentions” towards Hisself and feared. And so it was with all of Us, folks; Org Staff, Mission Staff, Flag Crew, Scn Celebs, Field Scns and—especially—the Mission Holders.

By the late '70's I think El Ron hated nearly all of Us.

In a week or so,

Part Ten

Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars
(cont.)

Peace.

Face:)
 
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Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
You have a point. However rather than "one sided" is to devote time to 'good/bad' in relation to the 'good/bad'........so it seems, to me, more than somewhat appropriate to spend more time on what he fucked up ( or over ) than what he did 'right' by most any moral, ethical, or legal "standard".


I feel that way, too, although my justification is a bit different: For a man who demanded total allegiance from his followers, total honesty, from a man who did not trust anyone, from a prolific bullshit artist, it is now a healthy response when we run his demands back on him. Sure, he's dead. But, I am not dead yet. It feels good to bring congruency to my perceptions, thoughts, and voice.
 

Ted

Gold Meritorious Patron
“In time we hate that which we often fear.” William Shakespeare

There are folks here on ESMB that have thousands of “Well Done” Hours in the chair. [...]


That I do.

Good writing, Facey. Your contribution to running this group engram/secondary is enormous.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

PFINNC

Patron
Thank you Face

I just finished reading your entire thread. You wrote in Shooting Stars part 8
The spell has been broken for many years for me…I hope that my words may help break some of the spell for others and wipe away some of its vestiges in another mind or heart, if only for one other (my bold), every moment of my time then, and now, has been well, well worth it.”

I left $cn more than 40 years ago after giving four years of my young life to the LA Org as contracted staff. I was not an exec, not highly admin or tech trained and not privy to the worst of the abuses reported on this board so have never since really considered myself a victim of the $cn cult. A closer inspection of my staff experience brings to mind my own violations of integrity and plain common sense which for me are the last vestiges of that spell. :D
 

Auditor's Toad

Clear as Mud
Thank you Face

I just finished reading your entire thread. You wrote in Shooting Stars part 8
The spell has been broken for many years for me…I hope that my words may help break some of the spell for others and wipe away some of its vestiges in another mind or heart, if only for one other (my bold), every moment of my time then, and now, has been well, well worth it.”

I left $cn more than 40 years ago after giving four years of my young life to the LA Org as contracted staff. I was not an exec, not highly admin or tech trained and not privy to the worst of the abuses reported on this board so have never since really considered myself a victim of the $cn cult. A closer inspection of my staff experience brings to mind my own violations of integrity and plain common sense which for me are the last vestiges of that spell. :D

So very well put.

For myself, I look back over my life and realize it was when I violated my persoanl integrity that I got myself in trouble.

And I realized that before I got out... but it certainly hastened my exit.
 
Killer Post!

“In time we hate that which we often fear.” William Shakespeare

There are folks here on ESMB that have thousands of “Well Done” Hours in the chair. There are folks here that paid hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for Scn "services". There are folks here that toiled decades working in Scn Orgs and Units. There are folks here that gave tens upon tens of thousands of dollars to support Scns “needs” and “causes”. And, there are folks here that were hurt, are hurting or still being hurt by Scn.

“Never fear to hurt another in a just cause,” wrote El Ron in the Scn Code of “Honor”. These words were Hisself’s personal little “escape” clause as El Ron was the sole "Source" and Scn was the "Just Cause"—always—thereby fostering and protecting the image of El Ron, The Honorable; “Mankind’s Best Friend”. The El Ron I knew was not a friend of mankind. El Ron was Hisself’s own kind and instilling fear in and the stultifying and hurting others was what El Ron was a actually a "Master" of and Hisself's true "Genius".

All of Us have experiences with Scn that sadden us, torment our minds and weigh heavy on our hearts. What saddens me, torments me and weighs heaviest is not what happened to me but what I saw happen to others I knew…and I just stood there and watched, spiritually muted and hobbled by the blinders, mask and muzzle of El Ron’s "Codes", Green “Tech” and “Red” Tech.


Part Nine

Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars (cont.)


“Fear, The Padlock On ‘The Gate of Greed’”

When El Ron, overnight in a musical chaired rip off, elevated yours truly to the ranks of the Apollo’s “Inner Circle” I entered a realm that few Scns ever experienced and was, for me, the beginning of my own personal journey through the Erebus of Hisself’s life of lies.

Scns Kristallnacht was not an isolated and singular event that El Ron was “duped” or “misled” into—it was just another harvest (albeit Hisself's biggest yet) of the fruit’s from the deeply rooted, poisonous plant of El Ron’s Worldview; the Vine of Fear. The most haggard, brow beaten and emotionally squashed Crew of the Apollo, and the Midship’s Upper Decks (MUD’s), were the staff of the Household Unit (HU). These were the people that served as personal stewards, cooks, servants, butlers, facilitators and “whipping boys” to El Ron El Rey and Family.

Arthur Hubbard was a smart, sassy, bratty, mischievous, semi talented budding artist that obviously had neither the aptitude nor “juice” to ever be anything or a "Somebody" in Institutionalized Scn. He was indifferent regarding the “servants” and was not kind or unkind and diffident in interaction with the “help”.

Suzette Hubbard was an energetic, bright, fun, witty and “girl next door” cute and attractive. She had not the slightest interest or desire in being “Somebody” in Scn. She was invariably respectful and appreciative to the help and never petulant that I saw. I can clearly see why Arnie Lerma fell in love with her and she with him. Like most folks, she just wanted to have a life and what happened doesn’t surprise me in the least on El Ron’s part.

Quinton Hubbard was a very bright, sincere, kind and soemwhat fragile young man that was interested in “Wog” technology of all sorts but, in particular, was utterly infatuated with airplanes and flying. “Q”—as he was known by the inner circle folks on the MUD’s—was deeply tormented by the circumstance he was born into. Q was not only very respectful and kind to the help, some of them were among the closest and dearest friends he would have in his tragic and far too short life.

Diana Hubbard was an intelligent, aloof, status conscious, picky, prissy, Princess “Valenced” and Anorexic young adult that had absolutely no business being posted as CS-6 and, deep down inside, I personally think she knew it. Diana, depending upon her mood de jour, could be anything from gracious and “Princess-like” to vicious and shrew-like to the servants. She took up more HU staff time and attention than all three of her sibs combined.

Mary Sue I have written about somewhat extensively already on ESMB. She was the glue that bound the Hubbard’s together into some semblance of Family. She dearly loved and was deeply devoted to her children. She was a Southern Belle of sorts, impeccably mannered, fiercely loyal and tough as nails…tougher than El Ron and Hisself knew it. Her greatest weakness was her total devotion to El Ron and Hisself knew that, too. El Ron “ruled the roost” over the HU but Mary Sue did her best to run “interference” for the staff and was, from what I saw, always respectful, gracious and considerate towards them. She could be somewhat demanding occasionally but was not petty or spiteful.

El Ron was another story or, shall we say, The Story. It was gruesome to watch and see just how cruel and foul El Ron could be to not just only other human beings, but to folks that Hisself had such altitude and dominion over. Bluntly, I started having transient thoughts that if what I saw Hisself do and act towards others was “OT”, then just what is the “State” truly about or, more importantly, is “It” even actually for real.

Talk about “Case on Post”! El Ron would whine, berate, bellow at and flat out “invalidate” the very people that were working 80+ hours a week—for ten bucks pay—to wait on Hisself hand and foot. I’m sorry folks, that’s just the facts and I don’t care who says Hisself was “using the right tone level” or “correct amount of ‘intention’ or ‘force’”; I saw what Hisself did to these people, I looked into their beleaguered eyes and was a friend of some of them (as much as there could be the practice friendship in the realm of the MUD’s). If there is one thing that I feel “guilt” about regarding my Life and Times with El Ron, as a SO Senior Officer and a Scn it’s this; El Ron was always pleasant, polite and most cordial with me, never once got mad at me and gave me praise and “validation”, all the while treating disgustingly and cruelly they that deserved Hisself’s “Charms” far, far more than I.

Of all the HU folks, the story of Rick Sheehy weighs heaviest on my heart. For a number of years on the Apollo, and just after the move to land, Rick Sheehy held probably the most thankless, withering and perilous posts in the SO—the Post of Commodore’s Personal Steward. Rick was a fit, handsome, very intelligent, highly energetic young man and was as all around decent, humorous, straightforward and thoroughly pleasant a fellow as I have ever met. Rick had grown up on Chicago’s North Side and in demeanor was sort of a cross between mid-west wholesome and North Side Ivy League. If memory serves, Rick was either Cl IV or on the BC when he joined Flag Crew with the dream and goal of becoming a Cl XII but was snatched by El Ron for the HU.

Rick was everything you’d want in an Auditor and that fact was more than well proved by the way he day after day handled the years of mood swings, tantrums and brow beatings of “The Founder”…the guy had cool, guts, instincts and a calming presence. I could never do the job Rick did, for as long as he did it, and not many folks in all of Scn could have, either. In fairly regular diatribes, El Ron harangued various HU staff but Rick bore the brunt of it; “there’s soap residue in my socks; there’s soap film on my fork; there's too much gluten in my bread, whaddaya trying to do, make me sick and crash my stats; you’re trying to poison me; you’re assigned Confusion for not having my milk here on time (Crew rarely had fresh milk...El Ron and Family had all they wanted, when they wanted).” Alternatively, El Ron would move into one of his “chat and brag” and cajoling moods and, turning on the ‘Charm”, would prattle away in Hisself’s cabin telling Rick some of the stories that we now know are mostly a pack of lies. Over time Rick became very, very adept at “handling” El Ron.

For all Rick went through he remained devoted to El Ron and, even more so, to “The Tech”. When the Old Guard was being shunted away Rick, like Urq, was granted what he wanted most of all in the world; Rick was assigned to the FSO Tech Div and trained up to Cl XII. As all of us that have read the Lisa McPherson Story knows, Rick’s Story as a Cl XII did not have a happy ending…once again, Rick was, by de facto, El Ron’s Whipping Boy. Around 2 years ago I began reading the El Ron and Scn “stuff” on the Net and was appalled at what I read but, honestly, not all that surprised. I was appalled at what had happened to Ms. McPherson but not surprised that her Auditor took the fall. But, my heart is heavy that Rick Sheehy, of all people, would wind up in this circumstance; I’m not absolving Rick of what his responsibility factually and morally may be—I’m just so saddened to see such a fine, fine young man’s life’s commitment end up broken and destroyed by the “Organization” and “Tech”, “Gifted to all Mankind”, by the “man” he was so steadfastly of impeccable service to.

“Hate, The Key To The Padlock Of Fear”

As I have written on ESMB previously, I see fear as one of the primary drivers to El Ron’s true legacy. Borrowing and paraphrasing from posts I made a year ago on the Apollo Thread: My premise is all that “edifice”—the Orgs’ Missions, Red “Tech”, Green “Tech”, etc—is the artifact construct of El Ron’s desperate solutions to a horrid continuing PTP; “How do I continue to keep extorting all the money and admiration I want for something I stole, plagiarized, made up and pretend to have discovered all by myself and continue to steal, lie about, plagiarize, make up and pretend to discover all by myself—and can't actually personally do—without being found out and "ruined" or going to jail?”

El Ron's HU is a microcosm of Hisself’s "legacy building".

The personnel of the HU were highly qualified, carefully selected, fervently dedicated and most, if not all, had “Tech” training. These were, for the most part, good intentioned, very bright to smart, highly dedicated and very sincere people that El Ron—deep down inside—distrusted, suspected of having “evil intentions” towards Hisself and feared. And so it was with all of Us, folks; Org Staff, Mission Staff, Flag Crew, Scn Celebs, Field Scns and—especially—the Mission Holders.

By the late '70's I think El Ron hated nearly all of Us.

In a week or so,

Part Ten

Kristallnacht; Shooting The Stars
(cont.)

Peace.

Face:)

This baby was packed with information that I didn't know.

What do you know about the 2D Charlie Rush had with Suzette?
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
I'd not go so far as to say the man was totally evil.

However, to me, he has done more overall harm than good to people. ......by far
Did he do some 'good' things? No doubt.

But far more likely he wll be remembered for the batshit crazy things.

More than a diatribe against him and disliking anything positive said about him it might be closer to the truth to look at it slightly differently...

Obviously, there are a lot more readers of a thread than there are posters to a thread ( well, on most threads:) ) and there sit the people with doubts, the fence sitters, the newly out, and perhaps those considering getting "in".

This is, after all, an X scn message board and as it should be. one is relatively free to put forth whatever views that want to put forth.

I guess, for me - and my particular weirdnesses - I find it odd on this particlular board ( of all boards ) some people seem to come here to post the " good side " of LRH .....
know what I mean?

I can see the point you are making, however I find that ESMB tends to stay much more balanced than, say, OCMB which is so toally "Anti~".

We will always get OSA trolls who attempt to preach that "hubtard was an altruistic man whose benefit to the world was not recognised at the time but will be recorded in history," whereas those of us who experienced the horrors will more honestly say, "Yes, you can find his name in the Encyclopaedia of Lunatics and Madmen, listed just below Hitler."

And it would be equally as unfair, if all of us here adopted the mind set that absolutely no one at any time achieved any gains from their involvement with Co$.
 

cakemaker

Patron Meritorious
Thank you for the installment! :clap:
I don't know that I subscribe to the LRH=all bad view. I tend to lean towards a multiple personality case.
I've known some people who could be genuinely charming and sincerely well intentioned but also had very dark and irrational side to them. The shift in personalities sometimes could be so subtle you weren't sure which version was in front of you - lots of shades of gray.
With LRH I think there was a bedrock of self interest but, from what I've read, there was also an impulse to help. Eventually the bedrock won.
I see it more as a disco ball of personalities - lots of facets! :)
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Face,

Please know you are one of the treasures here on ESMB.

You say we have helped you . . . . yes, it happens to most who contribute here, they benefit to the extent of their contribution and particularly so when it is a positive contribution such as yours has been and is.

From the responses you have received, you must now know that your contribution has been above and beyond any expectations any of us could have had of what we might have received in coming here.

And so I thank you along with the others here.

This thread is a treasure along with you :)

Thank you, Rog, for such kind, kind words.

You’re presence here on ESMB is one of the reasons I came pout of Lurk Mode…so that I could Dialogue with folks like you. I treasure you’re presence here and I know many others do as well.

Face


RogerB

Thank you, Rog for such kind, kind words.:blush:

You’re presence here on ESMB is one of the reasons I came out of Lurk Mode…so that I could Dialogue with folks like you. I treasure your presence here and I know many others do as well.:yes:

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

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I remember Diana came and played at the Manor Hotel....the piano was set up in the gazebo out in the yard on the Franklin side of the manor. I wasn't impressed with her playing. She seemed to create more of a visual effect with her long red hair. I don't recall if it was in the 70s or 80s. I don't think she was in the SO at the time....maybe she was promoting her album? Whatever, I never bought her album because I wasn't impressed with her playing, but then, I'm not easily impressed by musicians....I'm pretty choosy about who I think is outstanding. Maybe comparing her to Leonard Pennario isn't really fair? LOL

Maybe so.:confused2: But I assure you she wasn't as good as my sister and she was a Children's Pianio Teacher, High School Choir Director and Church Organist.:yes:

Face:)
 

afaceinthecrowd

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Face.....thanks for taking the time to write up your experiences with LRH and Mary sue. It's the only way a lot of us can see what went on backstage, that was affecting our lives. It's much appreciated. I love your writing and your stories and look forward to more. :drama: :cheers2:

Thank you mucho FoTi...and Y'all deserve to know it.:yes:

Face:)
 
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