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so did she bite? well i suppose the answer is yes and no. basically she wanted to do something that she thought would please me and help to keep me around. also, like the rest of us i guess to some degree, it was good to be complimented! she didn't know anything about scientology really so she had no reason to think anything was f'ed up! she was ideal for them! there was a flap of some sort going on as the then tres sec had signed an SO contract and was told she had to replace herself before she could start. my girlfriend seemed like a good candidate! a job was found for her at Grays of Westminster (scn owned camera shop in ldn) that could be worked around her post. no matter that we were living miles away from the org! or that she had a 7 year old daughter! obviously no problem! i mean, I could take care of the daughter right!!! :duh: :duh: :duh: . the next couple of years were what made me leave. the whole thing was just insane! she was put on post in hardly any time at all and seriously quickied through staff statuses in order for that to happen. wild and wierd, my girlfriend being supervised by my wife! (divorce had not been sorted out by that point!). she didn't last long on staff. it was just nuts. she had to go down to st hill and train in the clo. the gradient was bonkers! how could they seriously expect it work out! muppets! anyway, being that she actually is a productive person, she managed to keep her job at grays. now, grays is /was owned by gray levett - clear, and nick wynn - mid ot7 at the time. also working there was another ot called uri zakai(?) and his wife, zoe. she was the c/s at cc ldn. i cant really go into mega detail about everything that happened because i wasn't there. everything that i heard was second hand info from my partner. i will tell some in relation to how it effected me, my partner, my relationship and my feelings towards the cos.

she got on well there and it seemed she was well liked. i, on the other hand, still was not percieved in a great way by the org and those connected to it. firstly, she was working with the c/s who would know whatever there was to know about me. secondly, she was working with uri, who had been the auditor for my previous marriage councilling with louise (hows that for dumb fucking luck!) and thirdly, nick wynne was one of her bosses and i new that louise had stayed with the wynnes for a while. so my partner, who i'm sure is obvious by now was "Quickied" who posted some of her story here some days ago,was in a prime position to have not not very favourable opinions of me thrown at her all the time. maybe not directly or openly but in a more subtle way. now it goes without saying that i cannot directly prove that was the case.
around that time i managed to secure some credit with the bank. yippee! now i could start to take some real services! i bought my ias membership. first lifetime then within weeks became a sponser aswell. i bought lectures. courses. and i origonated being clear!!! :happydance: :duh: . i was told to buy the ccrd (clear certainty rundown) and some intensives of auditing for set ups ( sec check lol!). i started the sec check and i thought that everything was going ok. until that is i discovered that Quickied was having something going on with a scientologist guy who was the computer technician for grays. he worked for an outside company called amazing internet and whenever something went wrong with the system she would have to call him to get it sorted. i dont know exactly what was going on. i found innapropriate emails on our computer at home that they had been sending each other. wtf!!! they flirted with each other whenever he came to the shop to work on the system. NOBODY in that place seemed to think i might not like that . nobody in that place attempted to put thier ethics in! uri and zoe BOTH knew what had gone on with louise and STILL didn't do anything about the situation going on right under thier noses. now, the way i read this is either i'm a scumbag so therefor i dont really matter or they were blind and stupid. i think it was a bit of both. i have been told that nothing physical ever happened between them and that it was only ever just "banter!". whatever. as if that makes me feel rosy about it! then comes the time that she has to go away for the weekend to birmingham for some exhibition for work. there would be her, uri, a guy called steve willis and i dont know who else. i wasn't to thrilled about it but it was her job so whatever. i have since found out that something went on while she was away. steve willis tells me that she came on to him in the hotel and offered him sex. she says this didn't happen. i'll never know for sure. they both admit to there having been a fair amount of flirting going on during the days that they were there. uri was awre of this. he could see it. steve tells me that he TOLD uri that she had made him the offer. so what do you this OT super ethical auditor did about it? fuck all. no ethics handling, no comm to her to tell her to knock it off. no comm with me to tell me what was going on. that was eight years or so ago. i found out last year!. that is NOT RIGHT!! i still dont understand how this was justified. i just dont get it. ok, moving on.
so i am getting my auditing. i seem to be a little more popular in the org (amazing what a little cash can achieve). i'm getting wins. i feel like its all good. some way into the auditing i originate that i think i might actually be OT!!! ( :clap: ) great! all is good. i am KEEEEEEEYED OUT! then i run out of hours. now i felt great, and i felt very clean and certain about being ot. fn all the way. so what was the next c/s..... buy more intensives! :confused2: wtf? why? why couldn't i get down to st hill and start my ccrd? if iwas then i was. if not, then whatever! deal with it then! it absolutely :confused2: STUNK of just trying to raise gi for the org. i was seriously not happy with the cs that i had and said so! buy more! more more more! that was al;l i was told! yeah right! i had already extended my loan and maxed my brand new credit card. how the hell was i supposed to get MORE! :angry: . so the next thing i know, i'm off lines all over again! scumbag blah blah blah. blown from a sec check etc etc. it was the first real doubts that i had about the cos. this was where it started for me i think. add to that what was going on with quickied and the things she was telling me were going on at grays and i was seriously starting to doubt!
she had ben promised the earth at grays. this time next year you;ll be earning blah blah blah! and we both believed it! why wouldn't we? this was an upstat shop run by an ot and a clear!!!! AND she was told that by mr bob keenan!!! anyone know him? COCK! (sorry about that, just my opinion! lol) he seemed to be around the shop quite a lot. i believe at the time he was ppro(is that correct?), obviously SO. its no mystery why he was always around. gray levett apparently has great comm lines, royal family and stuff, so was always sucked up to. also they gave bob keenan money. lots of money. there was something going on to do with a group called The League of Gentlemen. i dont know much about this only that it was made up upstat scientologists who basically gave money. that was it. when q'ed told me about this it just didn't sit right with me at all. it seemed to me that this was a "group within a group". one more bloody thing that us mere mortals weren't allowed to know about. it seemed wrong. then someone got the bright idea of employing a journalist to help with pr!!! wtf? i was always told that they were evil! what was going on? could this be one rule for one and a completely different set of rules for the rest of us? well thats what it looked like to me! then out of the blue quickied is suddenly made redundent!!! just like that! nothing wrong with her work, she just had to go! fuck!!! we never did get it properly explained why. she had borrowed money on the strength of the promises that were made to her. we had bought things for the house. we had been on holiday. now she was out of work! this did it for me. i was out of there at that point. i just got the idea that there were corrupt and incompetant people in positions of power (quite perceptive as it turns out i guess! lol) and that it was pointless trying to do anything more in cos. so that was that.i was out. she wasn't working with scientologists anymore.free!!! yeah right! lol, cause it works that way doesn't it! lol.:duh: there's not much more to go from here. but i'm gonna stop now for tonight. the bits i've left out (things with quickied that are still somewhat raw) are swimming in my head at the mo and i'm starting to not think straight! break time!
 
There is nothing remotely funny about Scientolology,even when you try and see the funny side. You may laugh and scoff, but actually there is nothing that is funny at all.Its all sick!


Scientology takes peoples hopes and futures and dreams and turns them into nightmares......... nightmares that never seem to end...........they go on and on............they never end....... they never end...........they never end...........its a perpetual Ethics cycle. Always kick a dog when it is down. Kick it and kick it until it cannot function anymore.

"Did you ever read poor George Orwell's 1984? Yes,yes That would be--- could be the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence". LRH.

"The only way you can control people is to lie to them,You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way to control people is to lie to them.


I assure you, and with some sorrow, people have not often recovered from overts against Scientology...literally it kills them and if you don't believe it I can show you the long death list.--L. Ron. Hubbard.

L Ron Hubbards dying words? 'Keep taking the money, I'll be back to pick it up in a future life time,we'll send the Athena out to locate it,we'll spend hours pouring over charts and maps,just so we can find the exact location. After all I need that money so I can smash my name into history'.Keep going L.RON, Miscavige,burn the bloody books. They are not worth the paper they are written on.

Go on you bastards declare me, send me a golden rod.

Or am I just some silly little girl that someone once winked at at the age of ten and it messed her up considerably?
 
There is nothing remotely funny about Scientolology,even when you try and see the funny side. You may laugh and scoff, but actually there is nothing that is funny at all.Its all sick!


Scientology takes peoples hopes and futures and dreams and turns them into nightmares......... nightmares that never seem to end...........they go on and on............they never end....... they never end...........they never end...........its a perpetual Ethics cycle. Always kick a dog when it is down. Kick it and kick it until it cannot function anymore.

That's for sure, but I find myself laughing sometimes reading these stories, or people's posts. And then I feel better. I think it's often just finally realizing how stupid some part of it was, and being able to finally not be trapped by it, or take it so seriously. And sometimes when someone else tells of their stupidity, and you recognize yourself, it's validating. For some reason, for me that sometimes comes out as laughter.

And I have done more laughing reading this board than I can ever remember.

-TL
 
Wow Small Steps, I was afraid it wasn't going to get better soon. I'm enjoying the wry humor too. I can so duplicate those thoughts!

And, that's the frustrating thing . . . it's such a long road once you decide you're done . . . it's not like you can just walk away and start your life over. I'm looking forward to the next installment when you are ready. . . I do know how writing it can stir stuff up though.

Thanks again.
-TL
 
Welcome Small Steps!

If it helps you, I felt and feel similarly to you.

I feel like screaming sometimes when it hits me what I wasted, money, time, friends, family.

Onwards and upwards.

~ steph
 
i think i can rap this up in two more posts. god it feels good to get some of this out!

like i say, there is not much more to tell. i was out. i decided that the cos was impossible to be involved with for me. but i DID still think that the tech worked! if it didnt work for me then that was obviously my own fault! life didnt get a great deal simpler really. quickied and i had an on off kind of relationship (mostly on to be fair) and only finished for good last year. it turns out that the guy from grays never really went away completely and although nothing ever actually "happened" between them (i cant really be 100% certain about anything to do with this!) i did discover TOTALLY innapropriate conversation in msn on our computer last year. not much left to the imagination at all. that started a series of revalations that dont have any relevance here so there's no need to go into it. suffice to say that there was some infadelity and i left. thats it. now during our relationship i had not always behaved perfectly to say the least. i had been "out 2d" and been found out for it. this was a higher level of outnesses in my opinion and for me me trust has been brocken beyond help. we still gat on. i see our kids often and we still spend a lot of time together. but i cant get over the the things i have found out. its a shame. the computer technician guy still raises a fair amount of rage in me! as does any others that were involved. so what was the point of this last section? well, although i have been away from the church for several years now i hadn't addressed it! i didn't even consider that i was still thinking in certain ways! my WHOLE adult life has been infested by certain ways of thinking. so when everything went wrong last year i fell apart because i COULDN'T UNDERSTAND IT! you see? it didn't make sense! this other guy was a scn!!! i mean,ok, it happened once with louise.... but again!!!? i've spent the last six months trying to get some kind of feeling for who I am. not what i am supposed to be or what anybody else expects me to be, but what i think i should be! now THAT is an adventure! i have had to evaluate a lot and i have certainly become more aware because of it! what happened with quickied led me to learn more about myself in six months than i ever learned in the cos.
in the last few weeks i finally confronted looking on line at all the naughty stuff! i was loking on you tube for clips of the jive aces and found one that had put up by a cos critic. i followed the links and found myself eventually at xenu.net and then the whole thing went booooom! GOD! even though i may have heard some things over the years i was always able to doubt what i heard. i had a closed mind. scn was right and that was all there was to it! :duh: . there are now so many reports of what was really happening over the years that NO reasonably intelligent person can truly ignore them and not at least LOOK for themselves! Well thats my story pretty much up to date. the next post will be like across between a summing up of what ive learned and a kind of success story, and a quilification of some points that i need to address. thank you for listening!
 
Good story Small Steps. . . .I can so relate to the confused feeling, and the total loss as to who you really are. And I really relate to the "boom" when it all came crashing down. . . in fact I used the same term in my story (not posted yet). It's hard to go through but such a relief to come out on the other side. Except for the 2d stuff (I got very lucky there, thankfully), I could relate to everything. Just kept nodding my head.

-TL
 
Well.. "Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea" ( Robert A. Heinlein )

I have observed this to be true..

:hattip:
 
Good story Small Steps. . . .I can so relate to the confused feeling, and the total loss as to who you really are. And I really relate to the "boom" when it all came crashing down. . . in fact I used the same term in my story (not posted yet). It's hard to go through but such a relief to come out on the other side. Except for the 2d stuff (I got very lucky there, thankfully), I could relate to everything. Just kept nodding my head.

-TL
thanks tl!

the "boom" is definately wild! im glad the 2d has been sane for you! it truly is a most abberated dynamic!!! :happydance:
 
*big exhale* so did you have some kids with Quickied? I thought you slipped that in there in your last post. Or were you referring to your children with Lou?
 
the end

so what did i learn? what else do i need to say? what should i clarify?

some of that is easy, and some not.

clarifying things:

first i want to say that i am absolutely aware that i have only given the negative stuff over! those were the things i needed to get off but it goes without saying that there were good times aswell! some very good! i've nothing bad to say about the jive aces. i enjoyed working with them a lot and i am pretty certain that had i have not had young children, and had i not have taken lsd in my college days, then i'm pretty sure i would have signed an SO contract. but such as my circumstances were, it was not to be. they went on to be all that they have become (they were already stars in my book!) and i am not in may ways too bothered about how things turned out. on the whole i enjoyed my times on course. tr's were always fun for me and to be fair i ALWAYS felt that i came away with something everytime i did them, even if it was to be more relaxed in some way! There were many people that i met and liked, some very much! alison batchelor, tim smith are two that totally atand out for me. others to, dave press, veronica tupholm (there is no specific order here, just typing them as they come!) mike at st hill, adrian and andrea pracz, nick and susie wynn. there are of course others but i am out of actual names for the moment! lol.
I have obviously left out loads in telling this story and that was done because i could have been here all bloody year otherwise! the cos would have been dead and buried by the time i would have have finished! lol. i may drop the occasional story on as they come to me and if they are relevent, but the need to do that seems to have passed now!
this has not been all about what "they" did to me. i know full well that i ALLOWED things to happen to me. there is always a choice, i just didnt exercise it when i shoud have.

what did i learn?:

well, i've learned to let go of a LOT of the anger around my ex wife and the whole situation. dont get me wrong, i'm still angry and i dont see that resolving quickly, but i feel that i understand much much more about it than i did. she, to, is a victem. i have despised her for many years for her behaviour and complete lack of regard for me as an individual and a husband. but i have come to understand since posting here that she had little choice in the decisions that she made. yes she behaved despicably in terms of her treatment of me and her looking elsewhere 2d wise, but somehow i have managed to let go of so much of the ugliness that i was holding on to that it has, and will, affect many different areas of my life. time will tell on that one. my last relationship, Quickied, has some points that i understand more now. sadly, i see no way of resolving what has happened but again there is much that i can see now. all the negative crap i was holding on to totally affected how i was. it dictated my actions far more than i realised and much more than i wanted to admit to!
a gain that i have noticed is this: i still get angry, but NOTHING like my usual and previous explosions! and so far, i dont seem to be holding on to it either! i get angry, then its over!!! thats huge for me! before all this i could hold a grudge like you wouldn't believe!!! lol
i was 19 when i got in. it seems obvious to me now that i had SOOO much learning still to do. sure, i was "in my ruin", but who can say whether i would have sorted myself out in time? sadly, i have to live with all these wasted years in terms of my growth as a person. i definately feel different. more stable. older (but in a good way!). i have always felt myself to have a high awareness, even before scn (in fact, especially before scn!) and now i feel i have a real chance to explore that and learn. you never know, i might even get my spelling skills up to scratch!!! :)
i still feel like i have a long long way to go before i fully understand all the mechanisms that are in place and affecting the way i look at the world and act in any given situation, but i also feel that i have started to move in the right direction. if what i have realised and gained since being here is anything to go by then this should be fun!!!:happydance: .
thank you emma for this board!
thank you everyone who has kept up or commented on my posts. i'm pretty damn sure sure that i wouldn't have come so far so quickly with the acknowledgments!!!!
and thats something else thats wild!!! how QUICKLY things have blown away!!! all these years of it just being there and whooosh!!! gone! amazing!
i'm sure this last post is coming out all wrong! lol. i hope you all get the messege anyway!

I'm looking forward to the new adventure!!! :coolwink:


THE END (lol)
 
*big exhale* so did you have some kids with Quickied? I thought you slipped that in there in your last post. Or were you referring to your children with Lou?

hey wprt,

3 kids with lou, and one gorgeous boy with quickied! also quickied already had a daughter whom i very much consider to be my daughter aswell now!!!
 
Thanks for finishing up your story, Small Steps.

Glad you got some gains out of posting it.

Here's to your new adventures. :cheers2:
 
Hey Small Steps,

Great wrap-up! I'm glad that it blew some things for you. It did for me too actually.

Thanks for acknowledging the good stuff too. Because there was good stuff. Sometimes the lines blur between what really happened and what we thought was happening (I'm kind of sorting that out now), but if there hadn't been good, it would have been much easier to leave.

Glad to know that you feel ready for the next phase! Thanks for taking the time to share this all with us.

-TL
 
I read your whole story and I'm sad.

Can you make another post with more good news? Or sing us a song?

oh no! dont be sad meglomaniac! i'm ok now :D , well getting there anyway! lol. you know singing a song might not be a bad idea.....:thumbsup: lol. maybe once i've finished rehabilitating myself fully, (for free! and no o/w's! yay!), maybe i'll write something and put it up somewhere for a giggle!
 
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