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The 8-th Dynamic -- God Hubbard

Ulduz

Patron with Honors
Although I left CoS and never looked back, I must confess that this question keeps bugging me -- what is the 8-th Dynamic?
Not much is said about this Dynamic other than it is called Infinite, or Infinity. Perhaps, there are other HCOBs that I’m not aware of telling more about this mysterious animal.
Then I thought that God is also called the Infinite. As we know, LRH is the incarnation of Buddha. But, maybe, he also reserved the 8-th Dynamic for himself. As David Howsen, aka Veiny Nose, said at one of his seminars, a fully-operational thetan can create a universe. Move over God Jehovah, God Hubbard is coming!
NOTE: There is a mythological entity, Lucifer-Hubbard, who participated in creation of the universe, and who appears in some occult teachings.
 

Jump

Operating teatime
Hi Ulduz,

Srsly, I think just get over it. Hubbard was keen on making laundry lists on a lot of different topics. Just because he did this doesn't give the items any validity.

Hubbard wanted to be the 8th dynamic. He wanted everything to ultimately revolve around his greatness. Well, actually, he was just a psychopathic nutter with delusions of grandeur.

After all ... The dynamics can be what ever you want them to be - if they are a valid concept at all.



:yes:
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
Yeah, that is a good question!

In Scientology, who or what is the SUPreme Being?

ANSWER: It is simply a term that Hubbard made up.

He just liked making up terms that began with the prefix SUP.

He made up others that absolutely didn't mean anything either. Like...

SUPer Power

SUPreme Rulah.

SUPpressive Person

SUPcans​

At least the last one has some practical value after you leave Scientology.

beggar_02.JPG

Hey buddy, spare some change?
 

Gadfly

Crusader
What is the 8th dynamic?

As Hubbard clearly states somewhere, the 8th dynamic is the Infinity dynamic because the number 8 tilted onto its side is the infinity symbol.

THAT is about as much "sense" or "logic" that anyone will get on ANYTHING about the 8th dynamic in Scientology.
 
What is the 8th dynamic?

As Hubbard clearly states somewhere, the 8th dynamic is the Infinity dynamic because the number 8 tilted onto its side is the infinity symbol.

THAT is about as much "sense" or "logic" that anyone will get on ANYTHING about the 8th dynamic in Scientology.

The epiphany of discovering that the number '8' looks like the symbol for infinity '∞' when you are laying face down on the floor in a drug addled stupor. It's just as good of a reason as anything else Hubbard slapped together to create his con game.
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
this story is from the lips of Greg Wilhere RTC Class X auditor who told it whilst hype marketing the infamous ot making L Rundowns which cost $250,000 for all 3,
so you have to be an Operating Transaction master before you can do them.

This is the photo behind gregs head, when he is giving the talk..but it was a HUGE Ron HEAD

hubbard10.jpg


R Hubbard > wee messenger Greg Wilhere "you think im god dont you!"

G.W Greg thought yes your damn right i do think your god!

Ron "I hate to disappoint you but im not god"..Ron gazes 0t-like ..But, IM D.A.M.N.E.D ot. IM V.E.R.Y ot."
and You (greg) can be as 0T as i am...all you have to be is 20 steps in front of me at all times..(holding my ash tray)

G.W at this point things began to shatter for me..because for so long i held him out there ...and thought maybe far off into the way way way into the future i could one day be like Ron...

see it was my first day working for Ron and i asked myself why am i having this conversation with a guy i think is god?

after that greg went on to tell a story about Rons house keeper not getting who Ron was.. so after a few weeks of the housekeeper answering Rons Question wRONgly Ron said

"thats it..when your describing me..i dont want you saying im a explorer or a good man or a writer..No NO NO when you describe me you will say. Ron hubbard is A G.R.E.A.T. MAN because I AM ...G.R.E.A.T..( housekeeper trembled and nodded).

Rons clever enough to heavily enforce a certainty hes some kind of awe powered god, i wonder if myths(i wrote it all) and legends and an unshakeable certainty in hisself has anything to do with that?

No hip hip hooray.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

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What is the 8th dynamic?

As Hubbard clearly states somewhere, the 8th dynamic is the Infinity dynamic because the number 8 tilted onto its side is the infinity symbol.

THAT is about as much "sense" or "logic" that anyone will get on ANYTHING about the 8th dynamic in Scientology.


lololololololol

And now, Psycho-Science presents.....

Other compelling reasons why Ron assigned a numerical value to the various Dynamics....


Dynamic I: Because the Roman numeral I, tilted onto its side, is a dumbbell, much like the people who think Scn is going to help them personally.

Dynamic 2: Because the number 2 looks like a swan and swans are nice looking...just like a chick at a party after you have 2 drinks and are thinking of having a 2-minute 2-D with.

Dynamic 3: Because the number 3 tilted onto its side is a double arch like the McDonalds logo, which is where the CoS got our church franchise idea.

Dynamic 4: Because the word "four" has four letters just just like population of mankind in 1974 was 4 billion. Eerie! (look it up cynics! lol)

Dynamic 5. Because the number 5 reminds Ron of the 5th tomato he audited that turned out to be a black V.

Dynamic 6: Because the number 6 turned upside down is a 9...but when an OT gets out of the MEST universe they would have knowingness that it is really a 6.

Dynamic 7: Because the number 7 tilted onto its side is an "L" which represents Ron who is super theta.
 
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Gadfly

Crusader
lololololololol

And now, Psycho-Science presents.....

Other compelling reasons why Ron assigned a numerical value to the various Dynamics....


Dynamic I: Because the number 1 tilted onto its side is a dumbbell, much like the people who think Scn is going to help them personally.

Dynamic 2: Because the number 2 looks like a swan and swans are nice looking...just like a chick at a party after you have 2 drinks.

Dynamic 3: Because the number 3 tilted onto its side is a double arch like the McDonalds logo, which is where the CoS got our church franchise idea.

Dynamic 4: Because the word "four" has four letters just just like population of mankind in 1974 was 4 billion. Eerie! (look it up cynics! lol)

Dynamic 5. Because the number 5 reminds Ron of the 5th tomato he audited that turned out to be a black V.

Dynamic 6: Because the number 6 turned upside down is a 9...but when an OT gets out of the MEST universe they would have knowingness that it is really a 6.

Dynamic 7: Because the number 7 tilted onto its side is an "L" which represents Ron who is super theta.

Holy Mother of Jesus! Thank-you Hoaxie. I just had the most amazing cognition after reading THAT succinct and stripped-to-the-core explanation of the Dynamics of Life! My needle is floating. My TA is floating! I have an F/N that couldn't be killed by an atomic blast!

Let this PC have his win. I am RUNNING to the Examiner to write my Success Story and to then tell everyone I meet just how wonderful Ron's amazing data is. The meaning is DEEP indeed, but I get it!

Hubbard quote: "A thetan can entertain ANY significance."

Interpretation: Anybody can think and believe ANY set of nonsense, and have just about ANYTHING "make sense" to them.

Hubbard KNEW THAT and USED THAT in getting his followers to "make sense" of what is so often "complete nonsense". Just look at how so many really dull-minded Scientology robots happily accepted and made sense of the altered definition of the second dynamic (which was entirely non-sensical within the framework of all extant LRH data on the subject of the 2D). In fact, it was so nutty that the Church eventually canceled it (10 years later)! Yet, look how so many Scientologists LOUDLY accepted it as some "wonderful clarification", and "made sense of" what was really quite absurd. That happens EVERY DAY in Scientology - making sense of nonsense. They should put that ABILITY somewhere on the Grade Chart - the ability to make sense of nonsense. Because, in the end, at some point, one MUST do THAT to remain a dedicated Scientologist.
 

Jachs

Gold Meritorious Patron
The test is Gadfly when you look at a 6 do you see a 6 or a 9? or 69 or 666?

The dynamics are just a great way to manipulate, with itsnever far away partner greatest good.Check & Mate

That post explaining the dynamics needs to be in top 100 thread.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
. . . <snip> . . . Hubbard KNEW THAT and USED THAT in getting his followers to "make sense" of what is so often "complete nonsense". Just look at how so many really dull-minded Scientology robots happily accepted and made sense of the altered definition of the second dynamic (which was entirely non-sensical within the framework of all extant LRH data on the subject of the 2D). In fact, it was so nutty that the Church eventually canceled it (10 years later)! Yet, look how so many Scientologists LOUDLY accepted it as some "wonderful clarification", and "made sense of" what was really quite absurd. That happens EVERY DAY in Scientology - making sense of nonsense. They should put that ABILITY somewhere on the Grade Chart - the ability to make sense of nonsense. Because, in the end, at some point, one MUST do THAT to remain a dedicated Scientologist.

TR1, I believe. Here it is as described by Perry Scott:

I thought Bullbait was weird. I had no idea what was in store for me. In this routine, context-free snippets from Alice, printed on a sheet of paper, are read by the student to the coach . . . It's even worse if the coach gets the giggles. The humor is a relief after the stress of TR0 conditioning. However, humor won't advance you on The Bridge. Some of Lewis Carroll's stuff is either terribly imaginative or drug-induced, depending on your opinion of him. (Some think the caterpillar is Carroll's self-portrait, but I digress.)

To pass this exercise without getting a permanent case of the giggles requires you to become virtually humorless. The concept of mental image pictures was introduced in TR0. Here, canned script from a master storyteller conjurs up some fantastic and nonsensical images, which the student must refuse to process or fail the exercise. The result is robotic repetition of nonsense phrases, which some have come to recognize as a hallmark of what passes for conversation in Scientology.

Rather than conditioning you for the real world where nonsense is met with questions for clarification, Ron is conditioning the mark to confront "Scieno-speak." Ron's writing style and propensity to make up words because he couldn't think of the real ones could give a newcomer the giggles if it were not for this exercise. Some of Ron's prose, especially the Operating Thetan levels, is highly imaginative just like Carroll's.

Not only is the confusion technique set down early, but it is constantly reinforced until, ultimately, a person will believe just about anything - and pay handsomely for the privilege of being told what to believe.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
The test is Gadfly when you look at a 6 do you see a 6 or a 9? or 69 or 666?

The dynamics are just a great way to manipulate, with itsnever far away partner greatest good.Check & Mate

That post explaining the dynamics needs to be in top 100 thread.

Ah, but as Jimi Hendrix so nicely said, "if six turns out to be nine, I don't mind, I don't mind".

That LSD-inspired line says it all. When I look at "6" I see a scribble on a page, that I then can attach some significance or meaning to, as I choose or decide. But, all meaning, as beauty, is solely in the "eyes or mind of the beholder". There is NO inherent "meaning" in anything - you ALWAYS add it to the mix. Beware any person who tries to convince you otherwise. That is one of the things ANY mind does - it creates and adds significance. All meaning is "in your head". It does not exist "out there".

Now, for me, when I was in Scn, I chose NOT to understand the "dynamics" as "urges to survive". That was so stupid to me. I simply used the breaking up into 8 sections as a convenient way to examine various "parts of life". It is not bad really, for that. Try it yourself. Break up life into what you see as the KEY and MAJOR areas of concern, interest and involvement for any eprson. Hubbard did an acceptable job. Though, I don't think that the notion of the dynamics is vital or basic as a requirement to understanding life. That is quite overblown in Scn.

But, it is important to understand where the ideas came from. Hubbard started in Dianetics with the ideas that the BASIC, most fundamental "force" or "energy" in all creation was "SURVIVE"! He called it a "dynamic urge to survive". That then morphed into the breaking up of life into different sections, and also with the added notion that there is some hidden URGE to exist or survive that flows through each dynamic. Whatever.

Again, I found it useful ONLY as a simple arbitrary segmenting of life, that really, was NOT that important in relationship to everything else I knew or thought. I rarely use the notion these days. It simply serves no purpose for me. I do NOT need to categorize some aspect of life into Hubbard's arbitrary definition system to be able to understand or deal with it. As another poster recently stated, I also simply deal with what is in front of me, and I have no need for this "added significance" about it.
 
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Gadfly

Crusader
TR1, I believe. Here it is as described by Perry Scott:

I thought Bullbait was weird. I had no idea what was in store for me. In this routine, context-free snippets from Alice, printed on a sheet of paper, are read by the student to the coach . . . It's even worse if the coach gets the giggles. The humor is a relief after the stress of TR0 conditioning. However, humor won't advance you on The Bridge. Some of Lewis Carroll's stuff is either terribly imaginative or drug-induced, depending on your opinion of him. (Some think the caterpillar is Carroll's self-portrait, but I digress.)

To pass this exercise without getting a permanent case of the giggles requires you to become virtually humorless. The concept of mental image pictures was introduced in TR0. Here, canned script from a master storyteller conjurs up some fantastic and nonsensical images, which the student must refuse to process or fail the exercise. The result is robotic repetition of nonsense phrases, which some have come to recognize as a hallmark of what passes for conversation in Scientology.

Rather than conditioning you for the real world where nonsense is met with questions for clarification, Ron is conditioning the mark to confront "Scieno-speak." Ron's writing style and propensity to make up words because he couldn't think of the real ones could give a newcomer the giggles if it were not for this exercise. Some of Ron's prose, especially the Operating Thetan levels, is highly imaginative just like Carroll's.

Not only is the confusion technique set down early, but it is constantly reinforced until, ultimately, a person will believe just about anything - and pay handsomely for the privilege of being told what to believe.

Personally, I find that ridiculous. I very much enjoyed doing TRs, including bullbaiting. It NEVER somehow rendered me humorless. It simply allowed me to gain the ability to remain calm despite distractions. That is what I got out of it. That is how I interpreted the drill, and that is how I did the drill. I could and did easily pass TR Bullbaiting, many times, and then laugh a few moments later about some joke.

There is so much wrong with Scientology, but then there are also so many STUPID and ABSURD criticisms based on very weird concatentations of logic.

The methods and techniques of TRs, just like the Objectives, in NO WAY cause a person to become some unthinking robot. That is SO incorrect and invalid. Of course, some can and do believe such nonsense. That is the right of "free human beings". To make sense of nonsense. It happens in Scientology, AND it happens everywhere else.

What turns any Scientology participant into a Ronbot is the severe indoctrination into the OEC volume materials, which is based on KSW and the "mission" concept that "Scientology is the ONLY valid way to get out of the trap". It is a "conceptual" trap, and is based on BELIEFS. It is based on FIXED IDEAS, ideas which are fed into the minds of any participant through strict indoctrination. Outside of THAT environment, things like TRs and Objectives can be seen to NOT create any sort of "dumb easily controlled person".

The above quote takes very absurd leaps and makes very absurd conclusions. Yes, there is a robotic repetition of phrases that often passes for conversation in Scientology. Very true. But again, that results from the SEVERE INDOCTRINATION INTO VERY EXACT IDEAS AND BELIEFS, and has little to do with the fact that somebody does a drill repeating nonsensical phrases. When I did the drill with Alice in Wonderland, I aimed to better my attention, focus and delivery of a statement. That is ALL that I did. It helped. It got me to notice how things such as attention, intention and focus had a GREAT DEAL to do with how well my communication was received.

Dots can be well connected, or not. In the above quote, there are NOT connected well. And, there are so many valid ways that the dots CAN be connected to clearly display the idiocy of Scientology. But, doing so poorly or stupidly, in a way that will remain largely unreal for just about ANYBODY who has ever actually DONE TRs in the real world, doesn't help ANYBODY severe his or her connections with the real lunacy of Scientology - the result of the indoctrination - the network of crazy assumptions and beliefs according to KSW and the OEC volumes aim to expand Scientology and Clear the Planet.
 

SchwimmelPuckel

Genuine Meatball
<snip> Dynamic 3: Because the number 3 tilted onto its side is a double arch like the McDonalds logo, which is where the CoS got our church franchise idea.
Well, the number 3 tilted on the other side is a bum.. As soon as a Scientologist sees this, he goes: 'It's a bum! - Bummer! - This organization!!! Bummer! - WTF am I doing here!? - Bummer!

Scientology's 3 dynamic is a real bummer!

(Important Note! - This implant content will surface every time you encounter the words 'Third Dynamic' and/or the associated concept. It is a carefully designed 'Service Facximile' that will help you leave Scientology. Don't resist!)

:fighting:
 

cakemaker

Patron Meritorious
Although I left CoS and never looked back, I must confess that this question keeps bugging me -- what is the 8-th Dynamic?
Not much is said about this Dynamic other than it is called Infinite, or Infinity. Perhaps, there are other HCOBs that I’m not aware of telling more about this mysterious animal.
Then I thought that God is also called the Infinite. As we know, LRH is the incarnation of Buddha. But, maybe, he also reserved the 8-th Dynamic for himself. As David Howsen, aka Veiny Nose, said at one of his seminars, a fully-operational thetan can create a universe. Move over God Jehovah, God Hubbard is coming!
NOTE: There is a mythological entity, Lucifer-Hubbard, who participated in creation of the universe, and who appears in some occult teachings.

There are few times where Hubbard directly addressed the subject.
Some of the Scientology 'beliefs' can be extrapolated from the definitions of the dynamics where the thetan is 'surviving through the dynamics'. Since a thetan can't do anything but survive, the dynamics are artificial just for the sake of having a game.

Also, by definition, a thetan in his native state is infinite. Hmmmmmm...

Most scientologists don't think about or talk about the 8th dynamic/god since it's never directly addressed.

Here is a direct Hubbard quote about 'god',

(from the Route to Infinity tape #6 (21May 1952))

"He's told (an individual) what the eighth dynamic is: "god is
everywhere, god is everything, god is in everything, god is
outside of everything, and it's in everything, and it
watches you, and the watchbirds are watching you, and god
is watching you and everybody's keeping his finger on
you ...." And the first thing you know, the fellow is going
to say to himself, "Hm-mm, there's something wrong with
this. I wish I had a little privacy." And this is hard on
him.

So if he's accepted this - this concept or this description
- which is perfectly true... I mean, god is everywhere... he
isn't watching you... you are it."
 

Gadfly

Crusader
Since a thetan can't do anything but survive, the dynamics are artificial just for the sake of having a game.

Also, by definition, a thetan in his native state is infinite. Hmmmmmm...

A thetan doesn't "survive" - if anything it can't help but "be" or "exist".

A thetan, acting through and with MEST helps or fights against the survival of a great many things. But, the concept of "survival" ONLY refers to and applies only to manifested things. The thetan, in its purest definition, is beyond space and time, and involves NO THING - so there is nothing there to survive. Also, "survival" is part of a cycle of action, by definition, as in create - survive - destroy (or start - change - stop). "Survival" always involves something that is both coming and going - some aspect of the temporal universe.

In Hubbard's paradigm, the "thetan" has qualities similar to the Unmanifest or Void of Hindu lore. No space, no time, no frequency, no energy, no NOTHING, but having the potential and ability to CREATE all else (through postulates & considerations), and then to participate with all else, once created. That is a very rough correlation, and Hubbard differs in his notion of the "thetan" as some "eternal" thingie. While "theta" may be "eternal", as the Unmanifest, from a Hindu perspective, the "thetan" is NOT, and has no lasting identity. All sense of individuality vanishes in the Absolute. When the Kali Yuga ends, and the universe folds back in upon itself, reverting back once again to the unmanifested state of pure potential, there are no "thetans" and NO sense of anything unique. Though, Hubbard might disagree since he stated that YOU do LAST FOREVER. Shit, THAT is what Scientology tries to sell you - that you can GAIN your "eternity". Exist forever - no matter what. Seems stupid to me, and it is just another lame attempt to fight against the simple fact that ALL THINGS MUST PASS - including your mind, memories and even your sense of self. Scientology involves another version of "cheating death". Except it doesn't and never will.

What is the truth of it all? I don't know. For all I know what I just said, thought, and the action of typing itself, may be nothing more than a result of chemical reactions in a brain in a body that developed accidentally over billions of years following the first big unexplained accident - the Big Bang. :confused2:

Man from mud - imagining himself to be other than that! :omg:
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
SNIP

Scientology - making sense of nonsense

SNIP

My GAWD, Gadfly!

Look what you've unraveled - you MUST have a secret decoder ring or something!!

Scientology - knowing how to know

becomes

Scientology - making sense of nonsense

Brilliant!!
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
A thetan doesn't "survive" - if anything it can't help but "be" or "exist".

cakemaker is referencing Hubbard.

There's actually 3 different quotes that illustrate the Hubbard confusion.

They are:

1. ethics are survival

2. ethics are native to a thetan

3. a thetan can only survive/can't do anything but survive

Here's the problem, if ethics are survival the implied absence of them is non-survival. Therefore ethics either cannot be native to a thetan or a thetan could not survive.

Anyway, that's a literal criticism.
 

Mystic

Crusader
:hysterical: :hysterical:

Yeah, that is a good question!

In Scientology, who or what is the SUPreme Being?

ANSWER: It is simply a term that Hubbard made up.

He just liked making up terms that began with the prefix SUP.

He made up others that absolutely didn't mean anything either. Like...
SUPer Power

SUPreme Rulah.

SUPpressive Person

SUPcans​
At least the last one has some practical value after you leave Scientology.

beggar_02.JPG

Hey buddy, spare some change?
 

Mystic

Crusader
A couple of weeks ago we were discussing this most significant of significant significances in the Holy Natterbox. And we got into how do Scientologists (whoTF ever they are any longer) pray to their 8th Dynamic.

Emma hit nail on head: "Dear Thetaball...."


 
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