The future of scientology

[mockingbird]

What do you guys think is the most realistic future for what will happen to scientology? What do you want to see happen? What do you think the demented maniac er delusional messiah er diminutive misanthrope OH wait you guys just call him dm for short (sorry) has planned/ intended?
And if it doesn't work what are the chances some SO will go heaven's gate and try to meet lrh at target two? (I'm serious about the questions even if I can come off like a sarcastic ass sometimes )
Thanks

 

[Commander Birdsong]

What do you guys think is the most realistic future for what will happen to scientology? What do you want to see happen? What do you think the demented maniac er delusional messiah er diminutive misanthrope OH wait you guys just call him dm for short (sorry) has planned/ intended?
And if it doesn't work what are the chances some SO will go heaven's gate and try to meet lrh at target two? (I'm serious about the questions even if I can come off like a sarcastic ass sometimes )
Thanks

well...

i punch in with guy who said "if you don't like the news go out and make some on your own"

the number one of my one-two punches will be under a thread titled "laura's legions" coming next week

i'd like to see auditor training done by someone who understands the subject and it's underlying principles and ideals

 

[Knows]

Scientology is DONE! It is over!

The only reason there are ORGS and a few staff members around is because they are completely trapped with family still IN. Also, he is able to feed them propaganda, which they believe wholeheartedly, because Slappy has billions of dollars he bilked out of members and staff. He can keep the "Show on the Road" a little bit longer but he is in big trouble.

Miss Cabbage has crushing lawsuits - not just little ones - many big ones that will suck tons of money out of his tentacles and destroy the cult further.

IRS and FBI investigations may be going on to shut the cult down....

People are leaving and no one new is coming in....the internet DESTROYED Scientology forever.

Slappy bankrupted and broke his members. No one has any money to get up the Bridge....that is the purpose of the Purif and OBJ - it will keep them busy for a long time and is relatively cheap compared to auditing. But once they are done with that - it is back to square one....donate, donate, donate.

No CLEARS or OT's really, just fundraising event's. My sources tell me everyone is really sick and tired of being asked to donate.

No Super Powers out there after Super Power released...so that is now dead and old news. 260 million dollars and over 20 years to release (bilk members $$) and here we are . NADA - NOTHING - ZIP!

GAT II - nothing new - same old recycled "wins" from every other release....yawn...yawn....yawn.

Nothing new to open or re package right now - I think David Miscavige will kill himself and take a few with him.

He has no where to run....no where to hide.

 

[Churchill]

I watched a re-run of Seinfeld recently.

The one where George Costanza emerged from a cold shower to be seen au natural by Elaine.

It sums up the future of Scientology:

Continued shrinkage.

 

[mockingbird]

Commander Birdsong thanks for your post but I wish you could be more specific, do you want a reformation or entirely other practice started ? C of S dismantled ? please be specific. I also want to be honest and say I don't see any way to take out the hypnotic mind control (or some prefer coercive persuasion or undue influence ) out of auditing and the loaded language and many other harmful elements and to be blunt I don't believe it ever in any form ever produced anything beneficial besides slight rare gains and is over 99% harmful BUT I here welcome everybody's opinions as this is about what we all think and we can disagree and reason , unlike our time in scientology but I just wanted to be upfront about my position.
Thanks

 

[FoTi]

Since auditing was extremely helpful for me, and so were some other things that I learned in Scientology. I would like to see those workable/useful parts of the auditing tech and some of the tools that I learned in Scientology, survive and continue on into the future. I personally had permanent gains from it and consider what I gained to be valuable. A lot of it was BS, but some of it was great. I gained knowledge that I have found very useful. I also saw gains in others.....it wasn't all bad, like some people seem to purport.

It definitely increased my awareness, among other things,....which I really like.....so.....there was some good mixed in with the bad/evil.

The research that some individuals have continued to do, outside of Scientology, in regards to auditing, above and beyond what Scientology had to offer.....I would like to see that research continue and be recorded for others to follow or use, if they wish to pursue it.

I want to see the Church of Scientology dismantled.....dead and gone forever, and the suppressive part of the Scientology tech destroyed....crushed out of existence.

 

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

Re: Question for RogerB

Since auditing was extremely helpful for me, and so were some other things that I learned in Scientology. I would like to see those workable/useful parts of the auditing tech and some of the tools that I learned in Scientology, survive and continue on into the future. I personally had permanent gains from it and consider what I gained to be valuable.

This one is quite old, Jan 2010, post #29 from the How Dangerous is New OTVII (Solo NOTs) thread.

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Alan Walter stated that he had "all of the tech that was available in the field, and in the church" and thus, that of it which was important or useful, in his view and based on his research into it was included/encompassed in Kn.

I have virtually all of the tech released by Alan W. up until 2003 (I am one of two who actually completed his "Levels" and all related materials. So we could compare notes.

Personally, I am interested in getting the most workable tech and info made available to all. It does no one any good to be holding stuff secret.

So Roger, did that happen?

Did you release the best of the best into the field,
or is it still a work in progress?

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Since auditing was extremely helpful for me, and so were some other things that I learned in Scientology. I would like to see those workable/useful parts of the auditing tech and some of the tools that I learned in Scientology, survive and continue on into the future. I personally had permanent gains from it and consider what I gained to be valuable. A lot of it was BS, but some of it was great. I gained knowledge that I have found very useful. I also saw gains in others.....it wasn't all bad, like some people seem to purport.

It definitely increased my awareness, among other things,....which I really like.....so.....there was some good mixed in with the bad/evil.

The research that some individuals have continued to do, outside of Scientology, in regards to auditing, above and beyond what Scientology had to offer.....I would like to see that research continue and be recorded for others to follow or use, if they wish to pursue it.

I want to see the Church of Scientology dismantled.....dead and gone forever, and the suppressive part of the Scientology tech destroyed....crushed out of existence.

What was of some use to me was learning to confront people through training routines, but that wasn't needing a culty pseudo church fake religion. It would have been as good without having to read KSW and Tech Degrades beforehand. I'm sure the idea wasn't his own in the first place, but yes sitting with people without talking was a good thing and so was bullbaiting, that was so much fun! After that it all went tits up.

There might be some counselling techniques worth saving but I think there's more workable teck out there.

 

[Random guy]

The cult is dying. The names of Scientology and Dianetics are poison. The cult will die with the current generation.

Some aspects of the "tech" might survive for a bit longer, being mixed in with bits and bobs in the general new age/esoteric scene, but most of it is too tied to it's time, and it will eventually die too. If some of it survives, it will be with no memory of the man that made it. Hubbard's name being as much poison these days as the cult he created, there is no way a Hubbard worshipping cult can rise again.

The only real question is the timing.

 

[Bill]

If there is anything useful in Scientology, it will survive no matter what happens to the CoS. It is my opinion that, for most of Scientology "tech", it isn't useful and it simply won't survive - no matter what anyone does to try to "preserve" it.

If there is no significant value to something, it will, quite naturally, disappear. No amount of "KSW" will change that.

 

[Claire Swazey]

If there is anything useful in Scientology, it will survive no matter what happens to the CoS. It is my opinion that, for most of Scientology "tech", it isn't useful and it simply won't survive - no matter what anyone does to try to "preserve" it.

If there is no significant value to something, it will, quite naturally, disappear. No amount of "KSW" will change that.

Indeed. There are lots of spinoffs now, and not just FZ types. I think the ideas will survive piecemeal and that it already is that way.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Commander Birdsong thanks for your post but I wish you could be more specific, do you want a reformation or entirely other practice started ? C of S dismantled ? please be specific. I also want to be honest and say I don't see any way to take out the hypnotic mind control (or some prefer coercive persuasion or undue influence ) out of auditing and the loaded language and many other harmful elements and to be blunt I don't believe it ever in any form ever produced anything beneficial besides slight rare gains and is over 99% harmful BUT I here welcome everybody's opinions as this is about what we all think and we can disagree and reason , unlike our time in scientology but I just wanted to be upfront about my position.
Thanks

as to hypnotic mind control...

it apparently was being done on the Apalling back in the day but it wasn't done in san fran or cambridge or fcdc. and for the subjects proper purposes it is not only unnecessary it's terribly counter-productive. if you haven't seen benefits then you haven't seen them. i have. i left forty years ago with a toolbox from which i have been pulling wonders ever since, a very small few of which i have written up on this board.

the loaded language is basically addressed with a sharp tight concise commentary which i intend to produce...

and CoS can be transformed with some relatively small tweaking using it's own materials...

 

[phenomanon]

as to hypnotic mind control...

it apparently was being done on the Apalling back in the day but it wasn't done in san fran or cambridge or fcdc. and for the subjects proper purposes it is not only unnecessary it's terribly counter-productive. if you haven't seen benefits then you haven't seen them. i have. i left forty years ago with a toolbox from which i have been pulling wonders ever since, a very small few of which i have written up on this board.

the loaded language is basically addressed with a sharp tight concise commentary which i intend to produce...

and CoS can be transformed with some relatively small tweaking using it's own materials...

Already been done by some of the best, brightest people.

 

[Commander Birdsong]

Already been done by some of the best, brightest people.

well it needs to be done by whacked out mangy crazy old hippie...

 

[Kemist]

What was of some use to me was learning to confront people through training routines, but that wasn't needing a culty pseudo church fake religion. It would have been as good without having to read KSW and Tech Degrades beforehand. I'm sure the idea wasn't his own in the first place, but yes sitting with people without talking was a good thing and so was bullbaiting, that was so much fun! After that it all went tits up.

There might be some counselling techniques worth saving but I think there's more workable teck out there.

I did something similar to TRs with a yoga/meditation group a few years ago. Cost me about $50 for a whole weekend, no one regged me, we did a bit of yoga and we also cooked together.

So yes, you can find those things outside scientology.

 

[Reasonable]

What do you guys think is the most realistic future for what will happen to scientology?

I think the "church" has so much money that it will be here for a while. They may even go "legit" like the mafia or the Mormen. They will start to invest their money in hotels and restaurants and legalized prostitution. OR maybe they will invest it in the stock market.

They will open sweat shops overseas and make soccer balls for 5 cents an hour and sell them to Wallmart.
I really think this will all boil down to Davy and a few henchmen.

I personally had some nice subjective wins from the Scientology hypnotism and even applying the admin. I think there will be people who practice Scientology out of their dining rooms.

As Davy's outside businesses get stronger he may stop going after people once he feels secure that his money stream is not going anywhere.

I even think that Davy will stop going after people. He is going to get tired of accumulating lawsuits. He has so much money I think that he will just want to enjoy it. Even if he turns it into a legit business he will have plenty of executives to abuse.

 

[TheSpectator]

1) What do you guys think is the most realistic future for what will happen to scientology? 2) What do you want to see happen? 3) What do you think the demented maniac er delusional messiah er diminutive misanthrope OH wait you guys just call him dm for short (sorry) has planned/ intended?
4) And if it doesn't work what are the chances some SO will go heaven's gate and try to meet lrh at target two? (I'm serious about the questions even if I can come off like a sarcastic ass sometimes )
Thanks

1) Scientology will die a slow death. It has enough money to survive for quite awhile, though. If that's being invested by some astute people Scientology can survive in some form for decades to come.

2) I want it to die and never come back.

3) Miscavige is a product of Scientology. That Scientologists can't see he's an SP (even by their own definitions!) highlights the futility of the subject.

4) Others have speculated on this. Some think it's very real that SO members could be the next Heaven's Gate or Jonestown. We'll see…

 

[mockingbird]

Spectator , are you sure our minds aren't linked somehow? Your post is so much an echo of my own initial ideas when starting this thread and my biggest concern is that decades after scientology goes down a totalitarian government could use a repackaged renamed version on ITS OWN PEOPLE to make a living hell with the insidiousness of scientology and the force of a military to "remove quietly and without sorrow" ANYBODY who could disagree or discover the truth. And without a free press it could be a long dark winter for human decency and human rights. All scholars on the mind or hypnosis etc. would be closely monitored and if they weren't down with the program they would be liquidated en masse.

 

[TheSpectator]

Spectator , are you sure our minds aren't linked somehow? Your post is so much an echo of my own initial ideas when starting this thread and my biggest concern is that decades after scientology goes down a totalitarian government could use a repackaged renamed version on ITS OWN PEOPLE to make a living hell with the insidiousness of scientology and the force of a military to "remove quietly and without sorrow" ANYBODY who could disagree or discover the truth. And without a free press it could be a long dark winter for human decency and human rights. All scholars on the mind or hypnosis etc. would be closely monitored and if they weren't down with the program they would be liquidated en masse.

Well, if our minds our linked I hope it's because we're good people trying to make sense of an evil group, Scientology.

Your concern is valid but I don't think a totalitarian government will utilize Scientology to control its people. Hubbard tried to take over Rhodesia in the 1960s and failed. For all we know Miscavige could have approached foreign governments to utilize Scientology but that hasn't taken either. (I remember reading somewhere that Miscavige approached some government about using Sec Checking for its military, but I don't remember the source.)

There are plenty of totalitarian governments in the world today doing just fine suppressing their populations without using Scientology. Why pay Scientology a licensing fee to do the same thing they're already doing?

 

[Bill]

Spectator , are you sure our minds aren't linked somehow? Your post is so much an echo of my own initial ideas when starting this thread and my biggest concern is that decades after scientology goes down a totalitarian government could use a repackaged renamed version on ITS OWN PEOPLE to make a living hell with the insidiousness of scientology and the force of a military to "remove quietly and without sorrow" ANYBODY who could disagree or discover the truth. And without a free press it could be a long dark winter for human decency and human rights. All scholars on the mind or hypnosis etc. would be closely monitored and if they weren't down with the program they would be liquidated en masse.

In my opinion, the really worst parts of Scientology, Hubbard copied from the worst totalitarian governments. The RPF is directly from the communist "re-education camps" like they have in North Korea. "Disconnection" is from the worst religions. The "technology" of suppression that is Scientology isn't new and isn't Hubbard's invention. Governments/religions have been using these techniques for thousands of years.

In other words, governments already have and use Scientology's tek for the suppression and control of their citizens. Hubbard got it from them.