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Re: Thanks for pointing this out!l

lkwdblds said:
You know, you are right! I never looked up Maitreya, and just assumed that it meant the returned version of Buddha. It is good to get this cleared up, Thanks.

Still, I do recall anecdotes from at list one story, where the writer claimed that LRH had told them that he was Buddha. I believe it is the Kima Douglas story where this was mentioned. In Kima's story, Hubbard definitely told her that he was Cecil Rhodes. He purchased a hat reminiscent of hats which Rhodes wore and liked to wear it from time to time. The thing is that if he told people that he was Buddha and also claimed in "The Hymn of Asia" that he was Maitreya, that would be a contradiction.
Lakey
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Yes, Hubbard claimed to have been the reincarnated Buddha of 2,500 years ago (and also the future Buddha), and he also claimed to be a nuclear physicist. When either assertion is judged to be embarrassing or to invite ridicule, Scientologists, typically, can be counted on to do their slippery weasel dance.

It's quite entertaining.
 
Re: Thanks for pointing this out!l

lkwdblds said:
You know, you are right! I never looked up Maitreya, and just assumed that it meant the returned version of Buddha. It is good to get this cleared up, Thanks.

Still, I do recall anecdotes from at list one story, where the writer claimed that LRH had told them that he was Buddha. I believe it is the Kima Douglas story where this was mentioned. In Kima's story, Hubbard definitely told her that he was Cecil Rhodes. He purchased a hat reminiscent of hats which Rhodes wore and liked to wear it from time to time. The thing is that if he told people that he was Buddha and also claimed in "The Hymn of Asia" that he was Maitreya, that would be a contradiction.
Lakey
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Didnt Hubbard open an encyclopedia and excitingly show John McMasters, the prophecy of the return of Buddha as a red haired westerner, implying it was him?
 
Doing a slippery side step

Veda said:
Yes, Hubbard claimed to have been the reincarnated Buddha of 2,500 years ago (and also the future Buddha), and he also claimed to be a nuclear physicist. When either assertion is judged to be embarrassing or to invite ridicule, Scientologists, typically, can be counted on to do their slippery weasel dance.

It's quite entertaining.
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Hubbard who was supposed to have a good idea of what was coming in the future, never saw the internet coming. In the days when he told all his untruths and over embellished his achievements, be probably never dreamed that any of it would be uncovered. Living up until 1986, less than a decade before the internet emerged, he had not the slightest idea that such a thing would be developed. The internet turned out to be for Hubbard what "Kryptonite" was for Superman.

Also Gerry Armstrong and Omar Garrison deserve a lot a kudos for bringing many of the false assertions, which Hubbard routinely made about himself, to the attention of the public.
Lakey
 
Re: Doing a slippery side step

lkwdblds said:
Hubbard who was supposed to have a good idea of what was coming in the future, never saw the internet coming. In the days when he told all his untruths and over embellished his achievements, be probably never dreamed that any of it would be uncovered. Living up until 1986, less than a decade before the internet emerged, he had not the slightest idea that such a thing would be developed. The internet turned out to be for Hubbard what "Kryptonite" was for Superman.

Also Gerry Armstrong and Omar Garrison deserve a lot a kudos for bringing many of the false assertions, which Hubbard routinely made about himself, to the attention of the public.
Lakey
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Another major footbullet was the Freedom of Information Act - I remember hearing that Hubbard/Scientology started the process to get this passed.

Does anyone else recall hearing that about the FOI Act?
 
Re: Doing a slippery side step

guanoloco said:
Another major footbullet was the Freedom of Information Act - I remember hearing that Hubbard/Scientology started the process to get this passed.

Does anyone else recall hearing that about the FOI Act?
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Unfortunately, this Act did not force the CoS to release ALL Ot data.
 
Re: Doing a slippery side step

Ulduz said:
Unfortunately, this Act did not force the CoS to release ALL Ot data.
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Well, to be honest the Act is only enforceable on gov't...

...that being said it allowed Ron's factual Naval record to be BPI...and...well...it sank his ship, so to speak...

Without the Freedom of Information Act, as I understand it, his Naval record would've never been released and the fables abounding about his War Hero Exploits would still be going strong and presumably picking up steam.
 
Veda said:




I can be addressed
But in our temples best
Address me and you address
Lord Buddha.
Address Lord Buddha
And you then address
Metteyya.

L. Ron Hubbard, from 'Hymn of Asia'
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Thanks for this. Saved me from having to go dig thru my closet.

If this isn't a claim from Hubbard that he was/is Lord Buddha as well as Metteyya, I don't know how he could better state it.
 
Re: I heard this also.

lkwdblds said:
Interesting tidbit. I heard this information also, in voice and not in print but I don't remember where, only that it had something to do with "Road to Freedom" music album release. I thought the name was "Polo", similar to Marco Polo of history.

I remember it being said that Cola reasoned that as long as beings were going to be living in a time stream, their time in this Universe should be made as pleasant as possible and so he composed the first tune, thus starting music. I believe that one of the LRH songs in the album was claimed to be the tune created by Cola near the beginning of the time track.
Lakey
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Lakey, it was announced, verbally, at the event where the album "Road to Freedom" was released....I think it was '85 or '86 at an event that was held at Universal Studios.
 
Re: Doing a slippery side step

Ulduz said:
Unfortunately, this Act did not force the CoS to release ALL Ot data.
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Luckily, the idiots did force themselves to release everything by suing Karin Spaink back in the day. Now it's all out there, and we can all see what a crazy bedbug Hubbard was.
 
Re: Doing a slippery side step

lkwdblds said:
Hubbard who was supposed to have a good idea of what was coming in the future, never saw the internet coming. In the days when he told all his untruths and over embellished his achievements, be probably never dreamed that any of it would be uncovered. Living up until 1986, less than a decade before the internet emerged, he had not the slightest idea that such a thing would be developed. The internet turned out to be for Hubbard what "Kryptonite" was for Superman.

Also Gerry Armstrong and Omar Garrison deserve a lot a kudos for bringing many of the false assertions, which Hubbard routinely made about himself, to the attention of the public.
Lakey
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Are you doubting the omnipotent LRH? He saw the Internet coming, but this was confidential data -- he did not want to predict the demise of Scientology.
 
Thanks for pointing this out!

FoTi said:
Lakey, it was announced, verbally, at the event where the album "Road to Freedom" was released....I think it was '85 or '86 at an event that was held at Universal Studios.
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Thanks for pointing this out FoTi, I now vaguely remember attending this event. Over 31 years, as both staff and public, one is told so many things that sometimes one knows that he has heard something but just can't remember where.

Also FoTi, your posting of the snip from "Hymn of Asia" is good posting!! I guess Mark Baker did not read that passage when he posted that as far as he knew, LRH never claimed to be Buddha. Still Mark's point remains that Metteyya was a student who studied under Buddha and was not Buddha himself.

LRH is claiming to be both beings reincarnated at the same time. How would that work? Would one being be LRH's ego while the other would be a BT hanging out in LRH's space?

Maybe that is why LRH's case got all stirred up. Maybe he was a reincarnation of Metteyya and Buddha was a BT in his space. When he and Mayo were developing NOTS, Buddha got run out by mistake. LRH was so upset that Mayo did not have him check first if he wanted to keep that being that LRH banished Mayo to the RPF, even though Mayo had just saved his life. (BTW - this last paragraph is done completely in jest).
Lakey
 
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Hubbard and the Wizard of Oz

Ulduz said:
Are you doubting the omnipotent LRH? He saw the Internet coming, but this was confidential data -- he did not want to predict the demise of Scientology.
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The best analogy I know which fits Hubbard is the scene near the end of the movie, "The Wizard of Oz" where Dorothy, the Lion, Scarecrow and Tin Man are being intimidated by the Wizard in his palace. He voice is extremely loud, there is the sound of thunder, smoke and the crackling of electricity and Dorothy and her pals are all quaking in their boots. Dorothy sees a curtain and quickly yanks it open, and there is the Wizard of Oz, just a normal man pretending to be something he isn't, speaking through an amplified microphone while pressing buttons on a console to generate smoke and simulate thunder and lightning bolts.

When they catch him, he is caught redhanded in the middle of his pack of lies and his face becomes flushed with embarrasment. Talking about missing someone's withhold. Dorothy and company missed it and then FOUND it.

The Wizard was just an ordinary guy somewhat smarter and more ambitious than average, who wanted to be admired and feared by others and who wanted to control them and have them worship him (can you say Lord Buddha or Metteyya).

He had made up this entire ruse including a huge castle (can you say Ideal Org) and a huge army of protectors (can you say Sea Org). He claimed to have great supernatural powers (can you say OT abilities) and he proved to his staff and his public that he had them by using electronic props (can you say smoke and mirrors).

As they say in legal arguments, LRH and the Wizard of Oz are a perfect 4 point match! The one big difference, and it is key, is that the Wizard of Oz is fiction while LRH assemled and practiced his version of the same ruse in real life!
Lakey
 
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Re: Thanks for pointing this out!

lkwdblds said:
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How would that work?

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It "works" very simply. It's called lying.

Hubbard, on "inventing facts," from an April 1955 'HCOB':

"A datum is an invention which has become agreed upon and solidified... When it is thoroughly agreed upon it becomes, then, a truth.

"The word 'lie' is simply 'an invention with a bad connotation'... Thus society frowns upon the invention of facts."
 
Re: Thanks for pointing this out!

Veda said:




I can be addressed
But in our temples best
Address me and you address
Lord Buddha.
Address Lord Buddha
And you then address
Metteyya.

L. Ron Hubbard, from 'Hymn of Asia'
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FoTi said:
Thanks for this. Saved me from having to go dig thru my closet.

If this isn't a claim from Hubbard that he was/is Lord Buddha as well as Metteyya, I don't know how he could better state it.
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lkwdblds said:
Thanks for pointing this out FoTi, I now vaguely remember attending this event. Over 31 years, as both staff and public, one is told so many things that sometimes one knows that he has heard something but just can't remember where.

Also FoTi, your posting of the snip from "Hymn of Asia" is good posting!! I guess Mark Baker did not read that passage when he posted that as far as he knew, LRH never claimed to be Buddha. Still Mark's point remains that Metteyya was a student who studied under Buddha and was not Buddha himself.

LRH is claiming to be both beings reincarnated at the same time. How would that work? Would one being be LRH's ego while the other would be a BT hanging out in LRH's space?

Maybe that is why LRH's case got all stirred up. Maybe he was a reincarnation of Metteyya and Buddha was a BT in his space. When he and Mayo were developing NOTS, Buddha got run out by mistake. LRH was so upset that Mayo did not have him check first if he wanted to keep that being that LRH banished Mayo to the RPF, even though Mayo had just saved his life. (BTW - this last paragraph is done completely in jest).
Lakey
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Lakey, this wasn't my posting from "The Hymn of Asia"...it was Veda's....I just quoted it and commented on it.
 
Re: Thanks for pointing this out!

lkwdblds said:
LRH is claiming to be both beings reincarnated at the same time. How would that work?
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Maybe he had an M/U?

I'm not suggesting the M/U was something like "Metteyya" or "Buddha" but more along the lines of "truth"...

...just sayin'...
 
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