The Lies and Deceit of the Church of Scientology

[uniquemand]

He was a good guy, but easily duped by those in "power". He is still there, regging for the Ideal Morgue program. Sadly, he really has no other place to go. He shows up in some of AnonSparrows videos, like for instance at the 2:00 minute mark here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhjMnthqTE&feature=channel


Really, I think he would really enjoy seeing you again!

Wow! PHYLLIS! I remember her. I considered her a friend. I hope she doesn't hate me now. I really liked her husband David, and their children.

It boggles me that they won't stop to talk. It's really amazing to me that they won't do that. I don't know who the idiot was that made the decision to ignore or attack protesters was, but they made a major error. Instead, they should send out a trained PRO, if they want to get a specific message across, so that the apparency of non-confront is not given.

These videos make it plain that Scientologists who are toeing the party line simply feel that communication is NOT the universal solvent. It's so WRONG.

 

[Panda Termint]

Roger,
Thank you for telling this part of your story.

Even when I was in and a dedicated sn'ist it just never made sense to me that a former heroic defender of the CofS at the Melb Inquiry could now be labelled a bad guy. I discussed this with quite a few old-timers and GO hands and we always ended up with "he must've pissed someone off, BIG TIME"! It's a shame that I didn't, at the time, have the wit to extrapolate from the data, I would have saved myself a lot of time and money and been gone from the CofS 20 years ago!

I agree wth you about the evil that Don Larson exposes with his micro-expressions in the Panorama interview.

Thanks again, I hope you write on.

Panda.

PS: Unique, there's a simple reason why the scn'ists don't/won't talk to Anons, the cost of sec-checking. Any communication makes them instantly suspect in the eyes of paranoid Management!

 

[uniquemand]

That's just crazy! The world is upside down.

Hey, I'm surprised to hear about Larson being perceived as evil, I thought his doing the interview seemed like an attempt to come clean.

 

[skollie]

Welcome MostlyLurker.

Thank you RogerB!

Here Don Larson confirming what you wrote:

Don Larson

 

[Opter]

Roger

Thank you for your fascinating story.

Opter

 

[Carmel]

Thanks for sharing this with us, Rog! - Oh my!

The more ya read about these "behind the scenes" shenanigans (and despite how annoying or bizarre), the more ya see and understand, which makes it easier to deal with/'let go'.

Goodonya Rog! I'm hoping for and looking forward to you expanding on the GO 'work' and the project you did to help out Mary Sue, sometime - Like what you've already posted here, it's all interesting and 'penny dropping' stuff for many of us, and much appreciated.

 

[Carmel]

Thank you RogerB!

Here Don Larson confirming what you wrote:

Don Larson

I've not seen this vid, MostlyLurker - Thanks for posting, and welcome to ESMB!

Good thread, this one!

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Re Don Larson ...

I think he was as mad as a meataxe (he gave me the creeps) ... his Panorama interview may well have been an attempt to make up some damage but then he certainly has some to make up!

Vicious bastard.

RogerB ... you man of mystery you!!

Thank-you for writing that up,it is an incredible story and I do not doubt a word of it.

 

[RogerB]

Good Example of Cultismness . . .

He was a good guy, but easily duped by those in "power". He is still there, regging for the Ideal Morgue program. Sadly, he really has no other place to go. He shows up in some of AnonSparrows videos, like for instance at the 2:00 minute mark here:

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Wow, I look at the vid, and I see just how spiritually "contained" and "held in" Tom is. When I knew him as a young fellow, it was apparent he had subjected himself to being dependent on the "org" for his power . . . that is, he was living via his dependence on its power and being "created as" what he was being by the org culture.

Seeing him in the vid demonstrates just how cultized he's become: overweight, solid, stuck inside his head. It's a consequence of operating on wrong answers and from a wrong position or perspective in life. There is a delusion of spiritual "power" but it's all misdirected in on self, making the Being smaller and more dense.

And your comment about him sadly "having no place else to go" is the monster trap inherent in any cult!

Really, I think he would really enjoy seeing you again!

Divvy, I think you have a naughty, punishing sense of humor and I like it!

Thanks for the info . . .

Rog

 

[RogerB]

Yep . . .

Thanks for the stories Rog - ties in with a lot of what happened in "83 in Sydney when the Finance Police hit town.

People were dismissed from staff then on the flimsiest allegations and then paid their freeloaders to rejoin - lot of money gotten that way.

All suggested by the Missionaire at the time and his flunkies.

All to do with money - could never see that before but now the pieces fit together.

I'm soooo gonna love Miscavige's trial when it comes around.

Yep, they certainly saw me as a source of money then. Part of their terrorist attack on me was the demand: "You're to pay for two intensives NOW. Send the money to Flag NOW, otherwise you're to be declared suppressive and never allowed back on lines!"

It was actually the standard line, and it actually began that evening I taped the misbehavior at the CC. Larson had put me on the phone to Spike Bush (also a commander in the SO, whatever post, but at FSO)

Here we were at the stage of silly false accusations only, and there was Spike Bush demanding $20,000 be instantly handed over to Larson . . . note it was not requested paid to FSO, but a Fin. Police officer

It truly was the beginning of the "money mania."

The only "correction" to what you wrote above, is that it was beyond "suggestion" that one pay whatever was demanded: it was demanded under threat and duress of "loss of your bridge and eternity!" The dullards don't seem to know or care that the use of duress to obtain money is illegal, and any contract affected by its use is rendered invalid!

Lots of ammo in that for those who need to use it.

Rog

 

[RogerB]

Yep, Bossio is/was Truly an Insane Mad Dog

What a story!!

I met that crazy son-of-bitch Larson and suffered much under Pedro Bosio's ruthless missions into our Org.

Thank you so much for sharing your story and let us know more...pLease

TP

TP, yep. Bossio is/was an insane mad dog.

When I was doing my BofR in FOLO EUS it was he and his boss Suzanne Beales that got a hold of me and put me through their version of the "new tech." The bastard was actually writing false data into the session/interview report. I called him on it, of course.

As it happened the chairman of my BofR was the Flag Rep FOLO EUS . . . so I got various skinny on the local scene. I pointed out that the area was PTS, and delineated the visible and obvious indicators. He actually had a cognition on it!!

It is to be noted that the BofR I requested was because I refused to accept the findings of having been found guilty of spurious, stupid stuff after the two prior Comm Evs, and assigned a "Condition of Confusion" following the Larson debacle. I was not declared at that stage.

Then, as a result of being pulled is as a separate, off line, extraneous action for a HCO handling . . . nothing to do with my BofR . . . . can you believe this shit? There I was for a BofR, and these dogs Beales and Bossio grab me because I am visible and doing things to help various folks . . . and am subject to the new R/D.

I won't get into the details of the shit . . . but I recognize Suzanne Beales as violating everything in sight and as the source of caving the area in. Even Bossio was puppet to her.

Standard procedure: I wrote up my observations and sent it up lines.

Guess what? It was found out that Beales had already earlier been declared a Suppressive Person in DC and routed off lines, but then "somehow or other" (were the words used in the next Goldenrod on her) managed to route herself back into the SO and on staff as the HAS in FOLO EUS!

I give you this simply to convey the extent of the insanity and unbelievable scenario that then existed in the area and today still exists on "org lines."

Rog

 

[Div6]

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Divvy, I think you have a naughty, punishing sense of humor and I like it!

Thanks for the info . . .

Rog

Well, my sense of humor is there to hide the real heartbreak and sense of loss that I felt. I worked with those guys for a good 12 years, side by side, flowing power, sharing ice cream on the front porch at 2:00 in the AM on hot summer nights, helping raise their kids......so when I was booted off post by an SO mission, and basically got no back up at all (requested Comm Ev never happened, etc, etc).....well, it was a huge let down.

I'm GLAD it happened ultimately, as I have since moved on and am doing much better, but, well, you know how it is with ARC and all. What REALLY makes me angry (and I apologize for dumping like this on your thread) is that most of the staff I worked with that are still there, have not moved beyond "clear". One person has been put back on the Purif for the 3rd time!

They deserve way better than what they are getting, well, at least I thought so at the time. I may have to review that conclusion.

Sorry....I'm ok now. Back to your story!

 

[RogerB]

Roger,
Thank you for telling this part of your story.

Even when I was in and a dedicated sn'ist it just never made sense to me that a former heroic defender of the CofS at the Melb Inquiry could now be labelled a bad guy. I discussed this with quite a few old-timers and GO hands and we always ended up with "he must've pissed someone off, BIG TIME"! It's a shame that I didn't, at the time, have the wit to extrapolate from the data, I would have saved myself a lot of time and money and been gone from the CofS 20 years ago!

I agree wth you about the evil that Don Larson exposes with his micro-expressions in the Panorama interview.

Thanks again, I hope you write on.

Panda.

Panda,

That part bolded above . . . was that me you refer to as being known as "a former heroic defender of the CofS at the Melb Inquiry could now be labelled a bad guy," when you were on staff?

If so, its amazing my "fame" was so wide-spread. But then, for you Sydney-siders, I was one of the small band of characters who founded and set up the center that became the Sydney org.

Rog.

 

[RogerB]

Thanks for sharing this with us, Rog! - Oh my!

The more ya read about these "behind the scenes" shenanigans (and despite how annoying or bizarre), the more ya see and understand, which makes it easier to deal with/'let go'.
Snipped . . . .

Yes, being able to recognize and understand what it is we need to let go of, makes it easier to do so.

Though, I must tell you that when I pulled my archives to get the docs I posted, a tear turned on as I was reminded of the loss and disappointment at the destruction of all that I thought at that time, long ago, was a worthwhile endeavor.

I, like you and others, had invested my whole life in the ideal, only to have it betrayed by the madness it actually is.

Being buried under a mass of lies spewed out by an army of lunatics who are all running around being acceptable to each other for fear of the loss their eternity is no fun.

My answer was to simply "let it go" . . . but the funny thing is that that upset and charge was still there these last few days as I revisited

But that's fine, I now have a correct technology for handling that upset and charge; and am grateful it got turned on. Now I can truly be free from the madness.

Painful though it was at the time, 25 years ago, I can actually now say I am grateful to have been booted out.

They actually did me a favor. I am free from their continued lies, and I have a correct tech for dealing with what I thought I would get in the church, but which history demonstrates is only a falsehood on their part.

Rog

 

[RogerB]

Ahhh, Divvy . . . .

Well, my sense of humor is there to hide the real heartbreak and sense of loss that I felt. I worked with those guys for a good 12 years, side by side, flowing power, sharing ice cream on the front porch at 2:00 in the AM on hot summer nights, helping raise their kids......so when I was booted off post by an SO mission, and basically got no back up at all (requested Comm Ev never happened, etc, etc).....well, it was a huge let down.

I'm GLAD it happened ultimately, as I have since moved on and am doing much better, but, well, you know how it is with ARC and all. What REALLY makes me angry (and I apologize for dumping like this on your thread) is that most of the staff I worked with that are still there, have not moved beyond "clear". One person has been put back on the Purif for the 3rd time!

They deserve way better than what they are getting, well, at least I thought so at the time. I may have to review that conclusion.

Sorry....I'm ok now. Back to your story!

Ahhh, Divvy,

You echo my sentiments exactly. Don't apologize for expressing your feelings and truth. It's what this board is all about; and it is very healing to do so. So one should let the truth come to the surface and flow.

And please, you guys, this is not "my" thread. I don't post for my benefit. I post what knowledge I have that it will help plug some holes and help you advance in the way that is best for you.

It is obvious from the replies so far that some insights and relief occurred for some. And that is what this board is for. I am simply glad that I can contribute to the healing that this board facilitates.

Divvy, it is interesting to me that you post about the staff not moving forward with their "cases." One, it shows how much you care for your fellows and, Two, it demonstrates what a lie the whole operation of the church is that even staff do not get what they are promised. This apart from the criminal abuses.

Rog

 

[Panda Termint]

Panda,

That part bolded above . . . was that me you refer to as being known as "a former heroic defender of the CofS at the Melb Inquiry could now be labelled a bad guy," when you were on staff?

If so, its amazing my "fame" was so wide-spread. But then, for you Sydney-siders, I was one of the small band of characters who founded and set up the center that became the Sydney org.

Rog.

Yes, I was referring to you. I believe it may have been Harry Mason who was chatting with me about it, I may be wrong... it's been a while. I'm talking about the run-in with GOWW and the later events. I was one of a few people (in the CofS) who actually had to study and understand the full Anderson Report. Maybe I'll tell why at a later date.

Your fame had indeed endured and in the '80s you were still VERY well thought of by the original Sydney crowd.

 

[Telepathetic]

TP, yep. Bossio is/was an insane mad dog.

When I was doing my BofR in FOLO EUS it was he and his boss Suzanne Beales that got a hold of me and put me through their version of the "new tech." The bastard was actually writing false data into the session/interview report. I called him on it, of course.

As it happened the chairman of my BofR was the Flag Rep FOLO EUS . . . so I got various skinny on the local scene. I pointed out that the area was PTS, and delineated the visible and obvious indicators. He actually had a cognition on it!!

It is to be noted that the BofR I requested was because I refused to accept the findings of having been found guilty of spurious, stupid stuff after the two prior Comm Evs, and assigned a "Condition of Confusion" following the Larson debacle. I was not declared at that stage.

Then, as a result of being pulled is as a separate, off line, extraneous action for a HCO handling . . . nothing to do with my BofR . . . . can you believe this shit? There I was for a BofR, and these dogs Beales and Bossio grab me because I am visible and doing things to help various folks . . . and am subject to the new R/D.

I won't get into the details of the shit . . . but I recognize Suzanne Beales as violating everything in sight and as the source of caving the area in. Even Bossio was puppet to her.

Standard procedure: I wrote up my observations and sent it up lines.

Guess what? It was found out that Beales had already earlier been declared a Suppressive Person in DC and routed off lines, but then "somehow or other" (were the words used in the next Goldenrod on her) managed to route herself back into the SO and on staff as the HAS in FOLO EUS!

I give you this simply to convey the extent of the insanity and unbelievable scenario that then existed in the area and today still exists on "org lines."

Rog

RogerB.

That was insane indeed! The information you are giving here is extremely valuable to me. I must tell you also how many times I was made to feel that I was insane for speaking out about the insanity that ensued...it was my "3rd dynamic case" that was in "restimulation.".. of course!

After a number of "sec checks" and endless ethics cycles... I still thought the it was a crazy and fucked up scene...more crazy and fucked up was the fact that I stayed till 2006 I guess I still had faith that through our efforts, things would get better.

Sir, I remember the name Susan Beals...what was her post? It's been such a long time and some of the names/posts of those interesting characters are a hazy memory.

TP

 

[Telepathetic]

WHERE THE HELL IS ALL THIS VIDEO COMING FROM? I haven't seen it before. I've heard and read the accusations and statements, but never seen a lot of the video on this site in the past few days. Veda's been kicking it. Now MostlyLurker: seems to be the same Narrator. Was this all from one larger expose video? If so, I'd like to see the whole thing! The documentation regarding the forceful takeover is just boggling. Why would the ED of an org accept such bullying? It's obviously off-policy. It's obviously illegal. It's obviously off-purpose. Why was it accepted? Were these people just cowards?

Yes it was illegal, but no one that I knew stood up to the bulling...that is the reason the many Orgs emptied out of both staff and public during that time period. Our Org was a ghost town.

TP

 

[Ladybird]

I was just a newbie when Beals was the talk of the org. I am sure Roger can fill in the details, but as I recall, she was ED FCDC, got declared SP, then showed up as a Sea Org member in NY CLO (FOLO) and wreaked more havoc before she was declared and kicked out again.

There was a lot of paranoia about "SP"s sneaking in to other orgs, and there were pictures of declared SPs including her, David Mayo and others with a list of their "crimes" on bulletin boards in orgs under a "Stop Squirreling" logo.

 

[Terril park]

Yes, being able to recognize and understand what it is we need to let go of, makes it easier to do so.

Though, I must tell you that when I pulled my archives to get the docs I posted, a tear turned on as I was reminded of the loss and disappointment at the destruction of all that I thought at that time, long ago, was a worthwhile endeavor.

I, like you and others, had invested my whole life in the ideal, only to have it betrayed by the madness it actually is.

Being buried under a mass of lies spewed out by an army of lunatics who are all running around being acceptable to each other for fear of the loss their eternity is no fun.

My answer was to simply "let it go" . . . but the funny thing is that that upset and charge was still there these last few days as I revisited

But that's fine, I now have a correct technology for handling that upset and charge; and am grateful it got turned on. Now I can truly be free from the madness.

Painful though it was at the time, 25 years ago, I can actually now say I am grateful to have been booted out.

They actually did me a favor. I am free from their continued lies, and I have a correct tech for dealing with what I thought I would get in the church, but which history demonstrates is only a falsehood on their part.

Rog

Injustice and betrayal are a part of our heritage. Those betrayed and who suffered injustices are the best people. They had the courage to speak out, and stand up. Almost all here try in their various ways to do this.

The quote below may not be popular with all, but the old bastard was no dummy. I think he nailed it here.

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PRINCIPLES OF SCIENTOLOGY

The fate of any piece of knowledge man has ever been able to learn about himself, his society or this universe has [been to] sooner or later become subservient to some special interest with a curve on it to make more slaves. And this is one time when as long as I’ve got words in my mouth and breath in my thetan - this is one time that curve isn’t going to happen. And that’s all I want your help in. We want to make sure that what we know never comes to serve some special interest for the subjugation of man.

All Dianetics and Scientology attempts to do is to undo the magic spell which has made people less than they want to be. And to do that it requires that some truth be known. And that the central and principal truths of man be know, merely as truths - not as pitches and curves to serve some different reason or purpose. And that information is its own best protector. If it is itself, if it is what is known, if it is what has been learned, then it undoes its own spells. And the only possible excuse we have for training anybody, for processing anybody is that Dianetics and Scientology will undo Dianetics and Scientology. And that’s the first time known in the history of man that a subject, if it ever curved down, could also go up - that a subject undid itself. And that would be true knowledge.

We must never let what we know get into a state whereby it itself is a tremendous numbers of 'now-I’m-supposed-tos.'

L.Ron Hubbard, c59118c, Final Lecture