Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
There were no Rules broken, as far as I'm concerned. I was just giving you a heads up before you went too deeply down that particular rabbit-hole.
I think you may be mistaken in thinking that. I don't think there has been
any such accusation made.
The real situation being addressed here is that Carmelo/CO2 once claimed to be good friends and currently "in communication with" Bob Adams (OSA PR and VP of CofS) and most here would obviously wonder "How is this even possible?". It makes little sense to anyone with real experience regarding current scientology. For all I know, Carmelo might be talking about a relationship from years past but, if so, he's never taken the time to clarify the situation and consequently left many people here with unanswered questions.
He's not obliged to answer these questions, of course, but in failing to do so he leaves people here with doubts and uncertainties... it's a Mystery Sandwich!
I see your points and they are valid and I thank you for pointing them out and thank you for saving me needless work running down an incorrect theory!
Carmelo was only in CoS for about 7 years, way back when, 1969 to 1976. He tells of knowing various people in rock bands at that time, Charlie Rush and Jeff Levin are two such individuals. Charlie went on to become a drummer in the Apollo Stars, a Hubbard created band aboard the Apollo. I knew both those guys when I was at CCLA, they are both exceptionally nice guys. Say Carmelo has stayed in touch with these two over the decades, so what? That in no way would make him a Hubbarditel
The exes who leave CoS are not required to disconnect from anybody. Carmelo or any other ex is no longer subject to CoS's disconnection policy He and his old buddies from the "69 to '76 period like each other. How does staying connected to them have anything whatsoever to do with showing that he is now an active Scientologist? That assertion is absurd.
The only one's breaking any rules are Rush and Levin themselves. They are still in CoS and if they choose to ignore CoS's disconnection policy in deference to their loyalty to Carmelo, they are the ones not following policy, not Carmelo. There's no doubt that Carmelo once knew Bob Adams and liked something that Adams did or said. So what? My same argument applies as in the case of Rush and Levin. Carmelo is no longer in CoS, he does not have to disconnect from Adams. If at one time Bob Adams did something he liked he may still like Adams for doing that particular thing. Why would he be expected to now disconnect from Adams. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO DISCONNECT FROM ANYBODY.
I know Carmelo personally and believe me, that man Carmichael in the video posted by FMB is not Carmelo. there is no similarity at all in their appearance or their voices!
Thus we have FBM labeling Carmelo as an active Scientologist on totally bogus grounds.
DEFLECTION In CoS policy, LRH says to never defend and always attack. Thus you see Scientologist always on the attack. People on this board often attack CoS but CoS, per their own policies must ALWAYS be the attacker. Therefore, CoS had to invent a technique to turn the tables on the parties who are attacking them That technique is called "deflection" Their technique is extremely simple, it consists of a One-Two Punch, often done in one or two sentences.
The technique they use is #1 Deflect the opponents attack #2 Discredit the opponent and either attack the opponent or set up a strawman to attack a friend or ally of their opponent. You see this One Two Punch being used repeatedly by several posters all over the Apollo thread.
In the case we are talking about, we have Maria, minding her own business and being a poster on this thread and next the following scenario takes place:
#1.Carmelo was demonized into being an active Scientologist. Evidence was presented to prove this but as I showed above. the evidence is completely bogus.
#2 Maria was given a title, Public Relations Director of Scientologists or those sympathetic to Scientology with Carrmelo supposedly being the said Scientologist.
#3 The fact that Maria had not disciplined Carmelo and was still supportive of him provided the basis for Maria to be attacked.
That is a classic example of the technique. The Deflection step was villifing Carmelo. In this step, all the attention is taken off of CoS and placed on Carmelo. Next, Maria is set up as the strawman, just by FBM saying that she was Public Relations Director of Scientologists, she became something which she is not. Now Maria is attacked because she is still supportive of the supposed active Scientologist Carmelo.
The fact that for four months, Maria posted against CoS tech and CoS itself is irrelevant. The operative is not going to address that because he is only allowed to attack. If someone tells him that for months she posted against CoS, he ignores them because if he answered them, he would be defending. LRH tech say to never defend, always attack. Truth counts for nothing in such cases, when truth is being addressed, CoS is forced to go on defense and when they do their defense is handled by professional attorneys. Local operatives never defend, they only attack.
Lakey