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lkwdblds

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You are right, the definition is both interesting & funny

I came across this interesting and funny definition.

EGOTIST:
Someone who is usually me-deep in conversation.


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Good point Vin! I write my posts and always re read the entire post over to check for typos. All I see are I's and me's all over the place. I remove as many as I can and replace them with more general terms such as "one" might think" instead of "I might think" or "people tend to" instead of "I tend to".

I am a good story teller but my life is fairly nondescript, nothing special has happened. Take a person such as Mark Twain, a GREAT story teller whose life is full of achievement such as writing classic novels and other achievements in the Western United States during the Gold Rush and Silver mining days. He is entitled to use a lot of I's and me's in his writings.

HOW INCREDIBLE GOOGLE IS!! I went to check out Erich Hausholder or Householder on Google last night immediately after posting my story. There is nothing on Google about him or his son except one reference and that reference refers to this page on the ABOARD THE APOLLO - 1973 THREAD. Within minutes of writing my post, the story was headlined on Google. How amazing is that?

I KNOW MY STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES FROM ACTUAL PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTS GIVEN ME AT UCLA WHEN I WAS 19. I was at UCLA Engineering School at age 19 and it was too boring for me. I was flunking out and went to see a School Counselor and got an incredible one named Scheitzach. I told him that I entered engineering school because my strongest subjects were Math and Physics but I am interested in many other areas as well.

He tested my aptitude and the result I got was remarkable and forever redefined my life. He told me my aptitude for Math and Physics was as follows:

In the overalll US population I was in the 99th percentile.
For incoming UCLA Freshmen I was in the 85th percentile.
For incoming Math and Physics majors at an elite schools such as Stanford, I was in the 49th percentile.

That was so revealing. I took it as a win and not a loss! Even at an elite school such as Stanford, with only their Math and Pysics majors being considered, I was still right in the middle of the pack.

Now Vinaire, he was probably in the 99th percentile at MIT, a Stanford level school. Not only that but he was raised as a Hindu and is extremely well versed in Vedic religions.

I feel that participation on the various forums on ESMB, etc. has sharpened my skills and also, when my ex wife went through law school in the early 1990's she was learning critical thinking skills and she would bounce her homework assignments off of me and get my help in writing her papers and creating her legal analysis. This helped me improve my critical thinking schools immensely.

I feel that the incoming classes at the Universities probably have declined in the last 50 years as regards their test scores while my scores probably would have gone up through improving my critical thinking skills. I ended up working in Aerospace as a scientific applications Computer Programmer and I had to ineract with the high powered Cal Tech and MIT boys! I was very successful at doing that. I could duplicate their thoughts, follow their equatiions and understand what they wanted done on the computer. Everyone of them respected me and thought of me as their colleague. I designed their programs, put their equations into computer language (FORTRAN in those old days) and ran all their theories through computer simulatioins using random number generating techniques. We designed graphic print outs to give pictorial representations of their answers. They would tweak the input data, try various constants and varieables and adjust them to see what would happen. I did not have the talent to design the equations myself but could only bring the equations they designed to life.

I threw all this away in the fall of 1971 to join the Sea Org for $10 a week and have an 18 year immature girl made my boss because somebody did not put a roll of toilet paper into the rest room and a celebrity entered the rest room to find no toilet paper present. The real culprit responsible for this was left undisciplined while my head was put on a pike and I was shunned by top management for over 6 months.

Vin, I would say that sometimes it is okay to use a lot of I's and me's in print if the object is not to agrandize oneself but rather to entertain others and also so that others may learn from your mistakes. Furthermore, with Google immediately making one's writings known world wide, I might move from being nondescript to being celebrated - just like that famous celebrated jumpling frog from Calaveras Country which Mark Twain made famous.
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Vinaire

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Vin, I would say that sometimes it is okay to use a lot of I's and me's in print if the object is not to agrandize oneself but rather to entertain others and also so that others may learn from your mistakes. Furthermore, with Google immediately making one's writings known world wide, I might move from being nondescript to being celebrated - just like that famous celebrated jumpling frog from Calaveras Country which Mark Twain made famous.
Lakey

I agree with that. But I will definitely make a differentiation between you and Roger. :eyeroll:

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afaceinthecrowd

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A hotshot professional man takes this pretty young thing out he met via a friend.

He takes her to this ultra chichi restaurant and orders drinks, appetizers and a 5 course dinner.

For the next hour he talks non-stop about himself, his accomplishments and just what a hotshot he is. Finally, he abruptly stops and looks at the pretty young thing and says,

“Well, now enough about my stories. I’d like to hear something from you. So tell me, what do you think about me?”

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afaceinthecrowd

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A story told by Ekhart Tolle

A young man became a monk, following the path of his Master Teacher.

After 10 years of faithful, diligent and sincere study and practice he arrives at his "moment”. He goes to his Teacher and says, “Master I have found enlightenment, the Peace That Passeth All Understanding.”

The Master replies, “Very well. Go live with your parents for a month and we’ll see just how enlightened you are.”

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What about Tom of Helatrobus who posts here on ESMB, isn't he Marcabian?

There are no such thing as Marcabians. They are an imaginary race intended to distract humans from their proper concerns by focusing their attention on a non-existent threat from a supposedly hostile alien race. There is absolutely no cause for concern. Go about your business without further consideration for such trifles.


Mark A. Baker :whistling:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
My post was offered tongue in cheek for humor.

There are no such thing as Marcabians. They are an imaginary race intended to distract humans from their proper concerns by focusing their attention on a non-existent threat from a supposedly hostile alien race. There is absolutely no cause for concern. Go about your business without further consideration for such trifles.


Mark A. Baker :whistling:

My post was offered tongue in cheek for some humor, I imagine yours is too. Actually, I am from Esplinade.
"This sector of the Universe is Ours!" Did you know that the people on our planet have fedora hats and drive cars that resemble 1950 USA models? We are a pipsqueek of a civilization... never amounted to much. Even so, the Marcabians copied the design of our airplanes and used those craft to carry out Incident 2. Yes, we designed the Douglas DC 8 aircraft and then while Donald Douglas was sleeping, we put the design into his head so that he thought he designed it.

All those old 50's car designs came from our design studios. The Kaiser - Frazer, the Nash, the Hudson, the Studebaker The Packard and the Willys Aero. We did not like those companies stealing our designs and made sure they all went out of business.

As they say on Esplinade, "Viva Esplinade, screw Helatrobus, this sector of the Universe is Ours!".

Lakey of Esplinade - "This sector of the Universe is ours"
 
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afaceinthecrowd

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Great post Face! Very enlightening info about Mary Sue. Back in my Celebrity Centre days, we go a bit of numerology. We were told that things occured in 8 year cycles in Scientology and that these phases matched up with various divisions on the Org Board.

The period from 1950 to 1958 was a sort of Div I phase having to do with establishment. The Organization was centered in the United States. From 1959 to 1966 was a Div II or dissemenation phase and occurred at Sea. From 1974 to around 1982 was the next phase and had to do with accumulation of wealth or a Treasury Div III Phase. The looting of the Mission Holders occurred at the end of this phaw. This phase was conducted from Flag in Florida. The next phase was to be the Div IV or Technical Phase where the bridge was to be completed. LRH dropped his body during this phase so the phases appeared to end there.

Very unfortunate, because the next phase which could have commenced in 1990 or 1991 would have been the Qual Division Phase where the Organization whould have emphasized Quality Control and worked out all the bugs in their methods of operation. That one never saw the light of day. Even if Hubbard had lived longer, the Organization self correcting itself does not seem very likely. Only after the organization had quality corrected itself could the organization then move out into Div 6, the delivery to brand new public phase. This would have started around the year 1998. Maybe DM's Golden Age of Tech was an attempt to tailor the tech to be more appealing to the public at large and maybe the palatial style ideal Orgs are his version of making the organization more real to the public at large as well. Who knows?

Face, you talk of Hubbard periodically on the run and taking off to a new location but his major running seems to have occured about every 8 years, did you ever hear of anyting about these 8 year cycles when you were deeply involved with LRH and MSH?
Lakey

Lakey,

I never heard this 8 year cycle story from El Ron, Mary Sue or anyone at Flag…this is the first time I’ve heard it. There were a number of Scn “Urban Myths” that were extant off and on in all of the major “Field Zones”, especially SoCal.

Some of Hisself’s major running was about 8 or 9 years apart, as you astutely pointed out…don’t know what that means, but El Ron was basically on the lamb and in hiding from '66-’67 on.

I’ve got a few more “Reader’s Digest” installments left to do and in one of them will cover El Ron’s “Strategic Planning Briefings” for the move from the Apollo to Clearwater, and my opinion of the real reasons for the move.

Face:)
 

lkwdblds

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The 8 year Cycles

Lakey,

I never heard this 8 year cycle story from El Ron, Mary Sue or anyone at Flag…this is the first time I’ve heard it. There were a number of Scn “Urban Myths” that were extant off and on in all of the major “Field Zones”, especially SoCal.

Some of Hisself’s major running was about 8 or 9 years apart, as you astutely pointed out…don’t know what that means, but El Ron was basically on the lamb and in hiding from '66-’67 on.

I’ve got a few more “Reader’s Digest” installments left to do and in one of them will cover El Ron’s “Strategic Planning Briefings” for the move from the Apollo to Clearwater, and my opinion of the real reasons for the move.

Face:)

Face, the next installment, why the move to Clearwater sounds extremely interesting.

I can't believe how many typos I made on my 8 year cycles post. I don't recall where I picked up the 8 year cycle concept. It had to be from Yvonne or from Bob Harvey when he came out in 1971 to set up the ESTO system in Pac. Once I heard it, I discussed it with friends in coffee shops and started plotting out Scientology's future using it as a tool. To recap we had:

1950-58 - Establishment - Div I - based in the USA - Lectures & Orgs started.
1958-66 - Dissem - Div 2 - based in UK - Briefing Course & Clearing
1966-74 - Energy - Div 3 - based at Sea on the Apollo - Acquiring $ Reserves - OT Levels
1974 -82 -Tech - Div 4 - based in Clearwater - L's & NOTs
1982 -90 - Qual - Div 5 - based in California desert - "Corrected" Missions & tried to correect his bad PR image.
1990-98 - Publics -Div 6 - DM runing things - Staff getting auditing, St. Hill Sized Ogs, OT IX & X, Super Power.

This thing was working out pretty well until it got to 1982 and the Qualifications or Correction Division. How do you correct a Founder who has declared himself infallible? How do you correct an Organization who per its own policy is right 100% of the time?

Well, here we have Hubbard in his last major act, attempting correction by taking over the Mission Network and making it more like the Sea Org. To him, this was probably correctiion. The Missiions were having too much fun, making too much money for the Mission Holders and watering down his Tech. This was the only type of correction he was capable of, to smash a successful operation such as the Missions.

What was needed was real correction from within. Hubbard needed to introspect, see the myriad of things wrong with his system and the insane conditions taking place in his Organizations and set out with a major and honest effort to correct those things. Anyway, some time in 1983 he went off of the leadership lines permanently except for writing his advices to DM. His only corrective activity was to smash the Mission Holders Network. That seems to have brought the 8 year plans, under Hubbard, to an end if they ever existed in the first place.

I believe that DM may have carried forward into the next step of the Div 6 phase of the program. DM's contributioin to the Div 5 phase was to get rid of all the Hubbard loyalists still on staff or wielding any power in the Orgs. Similar to Hubbard's dismantling of the Mission Holders' Network, DM's getting rid of all the Hubbard Loyalists on staff was even more off point from the kind of real correction which was needed. THEREFORE, DM LAUNCHED INTO THE DIV 6 PHASE WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING EFFECTIVE IN THE DIV 5 PHASE!

I think that in his Div 6 phase, DM addressed and handled the problems with the IRS, tired to get all Orgs to St. Hill size, and as part of that tried to get the staff audited with the New World Corps and then planned on bringing out OT IX, OT X and Super Power. After the IRS was handled, and the Super Power Building construction was started, DM was on a roll. Something must have gone wrong with getting the Orgs to St. Hill size and all the expense and inconvenience of having the staff audited did not seem to be paying off so DM cancelled the New World Corps and the lower bridge tech fell into disrepute. Probably, managment then decided upon mainly just promoting the expensive upper level tech to just the rich and wealthy. Any concept of having large amounts of group auditing or grass routes auditing movements such as Book One revivals fell into disrepute.

I would not be surprised, in fact I bet that it did happen for sure, that DM calculated on paper the resultant stats of 1000 average Joe's co auditing themselves up the bridge as compared to getting a committment and working relationship with just one big name Celebrity. Maybe the big name Celebrity could donate $1 million and get 25 celebrities into Scientology while 1000 average Joe's generated say $500,000 in income and brought no one important on lines. The decision was made to service the elite and wealthy and bleed the upper middle class dry and that is the direction the C of S moved in.

In closing, I don't know if any 8 year planning ever actually existed but those 8 year time tables seem too consistent to totally be the result of chance.
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Hee....

There are no such thing as Marcabians. They are an imaginary race intended to distract humans from their proper concerns by focusing their attention on a non-existent threat from a supposedly hostile alien race. There is absolutely no cause for concern. Go about your business without further consideration for such trifles.


Mark A. Baker :whistling:

:D I saw a quote in a newspaper from a Mr. "Mark Abian"! :giggle:

That's about as "real" as we are going to get... :D
 
Har...

My post was offered tongue in cheek for some humor, I imagine yours is too. Actually, I am from Esplinade.
"This sector of the Universe is Ours!" Did you know that the people on our planet have fedora hats and drive cars that resemble 1950 USA models? We are a pipsqueek of a civilization... never amounted to much. Even so, the Marcabians copied the design of our airplanes and used those craft to carry out Incident 2. Yes, we designed the Douglas DC 8 aircraft and then while Donald Douglas was sleeping, we put the design into his head so that he thought he designed it.

All those old 50's car designs came from our design studios. The Kaiser - Frazer, the Nash, the Hudson, the Studebaker The Packard and the Willys Aero. We did not like those companies stealing our designs and made sure they all went out of business.

As they say on Esplinade, "Viva Esplinade, screw Helatrobus, this sector of the Universe is Ours!".

Lakey of Esplinade - "This sector of the Universe is ours"

LOL!!! :happydance:
 

lkwdblds

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I present you the 1953 Studebaker Starliner Couple, one of my 3 nominees for the best automotive design of all time.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...upe&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1W1RNTN_en&tbs=isch:1

I present you the 1936 Cord Beverly, the second of my nominees for the best automotive design of all time.

http://www.tomstrongman.com/ClassicCars/PaulBryant810/Images/15Cord810.jpg


I present you my final nominee for the best automotive desing of all time, the 1955 Ford Thunderbird.

http://media.canada.com/267c54bd-63f5-4113-9b72-08e5f2aaa7c2/cns-reflect.jpg

Lakey

The Ford and the Studebaker were designed on Esplinade but the 1936 Cord was designed by Gordon Buehrig right hear on Earth. I hate to give you Earthlings credit but you did have some native talent here.

Lakey of Esplinade - This sector of the universe is ours!
 
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I present you the 1953 Studebaker Starliner Couple, one of my 3 nominees for the best automotive design of all time.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...upe&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1W1RNTN_en&tbs=isch:1

I present you the 1936 Cord Beverly, the second of my nominees for the best automotive design of all time.

http://www.tomstrongman.com/ClassicCars/PaulBryant810/Images/15Cord810.jpg


I present you my final nominee for the best automotive desing of all time, the 1955 Ford Thunderbird.

http://media.canada.com/267c54bd-63f5-4113-9b72-08e5f2aaa7c2/cns-reflect.jpg

Lakey

The Ford and the Studebaker were designed on Esplinade but the 1936 Cord was designed by Gordon Buehrig right hear on Earth. I hate to give you Earthlings credit but you did have some native talent here.

Lakey of Esplinade - This sector of the universe is ours!


I respectfully disagree.

AC Cobra

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Corvette

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E Type

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I 'll take these cars for looks any day of the week.

As for a car that I'd most rather drive, but looks like a bathtub, Porsche

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lkwdblds

Crusader
I guess its just a matter of taste

I respectfully disagree.

AC Cobra

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I 'll take these cars for looks any day of the week.

As for a car that I'd most rather drive, but looks like a bathtub, Porsche

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I think the AC Cobra is an exciting car but the styling is pretty basic. Its a nice shape but it is the decals and roll bars and those exhaust headers on the side which give it such a nice look. The basic design is pretty basic, not groundbreaking for a sportscar of that time period.

I greatly prefer the 55-56 T'Bird to the Corvettes just as styling exercises. The Corvettes are true sports cars and the T'birds are not. I agree that the Corvette is the more exciting car to drive but I like the T'Bird just for looks.

On the E type Jaguar, I thought those were the best looking cars on the road when they came out but now in retrospect, that rear roof line treatment does not appeal to me at call. I really looks unbalanced. The convertable does not suffer from that problem and is a stunning classic design. Many Porche's have noteworthy designs, no question about it. A few older ones look like glorified VW Beetles but they are all exciting cars, most with fine designs.

I think that you have picked are some of the most exciting cars to drive and perhaps the excitement of the car sort of translates over to the cars looks. I mean obviously a 62 Ford Cobra is more exciting to drive than a '53 Studebaker family type coupe but to me the Studebaker is the more beautiful and groundbreaking design - its not even close. I think the Studebaker Avanti is better looking than any of the vehicles you have put up and the Dodge Viper is better looking than any of them as well. However, non of the cars I have selected are very exciting to drive except the Viper.

The 1936 Cord is just in a class by itself for its time period. The style was so far ahead of anything on the road at that time and the design is timeless and never looks anything but gorgeous. It is really a classic design.

I don't think we are talking apples versus apples. I probably should have stated that my choices are for mass produced designs meant for the public in general. The Studebaker was just a normal priced family car, the T'Bird was a bit higher and the Cord, though higher still was not extremely expensive. Your models are all sports cars and cars for the enthusiast. They are all very good looking and very exciting but they are built for specialty high perfomance high priced niche markets.

Its such a subjective thing, I would just get a big kick driving around in a "53 Studebaker or a "53 Hudson Hornet or something like that. Probably my first choice of anything to drive would be the "36 Cord. You take a '53 Studebaker coupe and compare it to what was being sold in the USA around 1951 or 52 be it a Ford or Chevy or Chrysler product and the Studey looks about 15 years more modern. For a family car with a touch of sportiness, every line on it is perfect and it needs no chrome strips or decals to make it look good. It was just far ahead of its time and today remains a timeless design. Not that many people saw it that way and though the '53 Studey sold pretty well, by 1958 the company was on the ropes and ceased production altogether after 1966. The Cord was part of E.L. Cord's empire, Auburn, Cord and Duesenberg and all of those expensive and storied marks folded together around 1938 less than 2 years after that gorgeous 1936 model came to market. In all honesty, I would love to drive any of those vehicles, my 3 or all of yours - they are all gorgeous.
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Leon

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The Studebakers were notorious for their poor gearboxes. When they eventually got it right with the Lark in about the early 60s they promptly went out of business and folded.

My dad had an old Studebaker commander of about 1950 or 51. Far in advance of others with its swept styling. It was a lovely ride for us kids - 6 of us - but the gear box always gave trouble.
 

lkwdblds

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I wasn't aware of Studey's gearbox troubles.

The Studebakers were notorious for their poor gearboxes. When they eventually got it right with the Lark in about the early 60s they promptly went out of business and folded.

My dad had an old Studebaker commander of about 1950 or 51. Far in advance of others with its swept styling. It was a lovely ride for us kids - 6 of us - but the gear box always gave trouble.

STUDEBAKERS A neighbor had a 1948 Commander convertable with stick shift and drove some neighborhood kids up to Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead twice. The stick shift had a hill holder where it would not roll backwards if you had to stop for a traffic light at the crest of the hill. Maybe that mechanism had something to do with causing their transmission problems.

They were the first ones out with "envelope" bodies for 1947, where the fenders were not bolted on to the sides of the car but were integrated into the design and flowed through. When the major brands came out with their flow through fenders in 1949, Studey brought out the "airplane nosed" models in 1950 and 51. Your family car had to be one of those. Sales were exceptionally high for them in those years, hitting about 300,000 of the 1950 cars which was some sort of record for an Independent manufacturer. They were the biggest Independent and were the only ones to bring to market their own automatic transmission in 1951 and also their own "in house" V8 engine that same year. Everyone else was purchasing the "Hydramatic" transmission from General Motors. Even Ford used GM's Hydramatic in their Lincoln luxury car for two years until they developed their own "Ford-o-matic.

THE FAILED ATTEMPT AT A FOURTH MAJOR MANUFACTURER TO COMPETE WITH GM, FORD AND CHRYSLER

Auto sales were extremely high after WW II because of the freeze on auto production during the war years. Every maker was selling everything they could make. George Mason of Nash-Kelvinator knew that this was only temporary and that the independent makes would not be able to compete once the demand was satisfied. He must have used Hubbard's Data series (just kidding). He decided to try and form a new conglomerate from the 4 strongest independents, Studebaker, Nash, Hudson and Packard. What a tremendous company it would have been. Studebaker had the low priced field covered and also had a line of trucks and middle price cars as well. Nash and Hudson were both very strong in the middle priced field ruled by Oldsmobile, Buick, Mercury and De Soto and Packard was a major player in the highest priced field, dominated by Cadillac and Lincoln. Packard was really like an American version of Mercedes, very high quality, cutting edge designs.

AMERICAN MOTORS Mason tried to merge the 4 companies but met fierce resistance from Studebaker and Packard. They were doing just fine and did not want to play second fiddle to him and he was soundly rejected by them. Mason remained undeterred and kept trying. Around 1953, Hudson invested all their capital into a compact car called the Jet which was ugly looking and failed in the market. They had no money to retool their popular Hornet and they started to go broke. Mason's Nash company was still strong, largely because Mason had succeeded with his companct Rambler. Mason hammered out a deal to merge Nash and Hudson into AMERICAN MOTORS. This was achieved by May of 1954.

Everyone knows this but what they don't know is that Mason is supposed to have approached Nance over at Packard and hatched a plan. Packard emerged from WW II very very strong financially, having built aircraft engines and other wartime vehicles. They still had money but around 1954, Studebaker started to lose big chunks of market share. A plan was conceived where Packard would purchase Studebaker with Nance running that combine and then Mason and Nance would merge Studebaker/Packard into American Motors. Everything was on schedule by late in 1954 as Packard merged with Studebaker. Suddenly on a hunting trip in October 1954, the overweight cigar chomping Mason died suddenly of a heart attack. American Motors was taken over by George Romney, Mason's hand picked protege and the Father of today's politician Mitt Romney.

Romney may have not been in on the dealings to merge Studebaker-Packard. No one knows how much he knew about it. He was converting American Motors into dropping the large Nash and Hudson models and going with his compact Rambler model. Nance had his hands full keeping Packard afloat as Studebaker was starting to sink and bring Packard down with it. The AMC and Studebaker/Packard companies went their own ways and did not merge.

HAD THEY MERGED - Had Mason not died, and the 4 brands actually merged, I think they would have been big enough to do battle with GM, Ford and Chrysler if they could get proper financing. They would have been a full line manufacturer, covering all price ranges plus pickup trucks. and with the Nash Rambler model, they had a big edge because the Rambler was selling like hot cakes while GM, Ford and Chysler had no entries at all in the compact market.

THE STUDEBAKER LARK - A LAST CHANCE Though Packard was the surviving company of the Studebaker/ Packard merger, no financing could be obtained for a 1957 all new Packard line and the Packard brand was essentially dropped for 1957. A token Packard which was only a luxurious Studebaker was offered in 1957 and 1958 in the hopes that new financing could be secured for a Packard revival. American motors also dropped the Nash and Hudson brands that same year to just concentrate on building Ramblers. The Rambler took off and sales rocketed to unforseen heights, 550,000 Ramblers per year around 1962-63.

Over at Studebaker, the Rambler blitz was noticed. Studebaker nearly folded in 1958, but was able to piece together a Rambler like product in the fine compact they produced called the Lark. Sales, sinking as low as 44,000 in 1958 more than tripled to over 150,000 for 1959 with the Lark. Studebaker also sold some niche sports cars called the Hawk series. The Golden Hawk had a huge Packard V8 and was one of fastest and best looking models on the road. See the link below.

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Studebaker/1957Studebaker-Golden-Hawk-d.jpg

With the money made from the Lark, Studebaker hired back their famous stylist for their 1947, 1950 and 1953 landmark desings (also the 1941 Champion). This designer was Raymond Loewy and his well known Raymond Loewy studios. He was brought back to design an "image" car with classic styling and very high performance called the "Avanti".

THE FABLED STUDEBAKER AVANTI - TRUE CLASSIC STYLING FOR THE 1960'S

http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/1963 STUDEBAKER AVANTI R2.jpg

When the Avanti was announced in the early 60's, a lot of deposits and advanced orders were taken but production had problems and was slow to ramp up. By the time the car came to market in late 1962 as a 1963 model, Studebaker was finished. Management decided to abandon cars and get into other products. Only a handful of Avanti's were sold. While they were out they set lots of speed records at the Bonneville salt flats. Stock models right off the showroom floor with a supercharged Studebaker V8 engine had a top end of around 150 miles per hour. There was a happy side to this, however, some former Studebaker dealers and enthusiasts bought the dies for the Avanti and rented a corner of the demolished Studebaker factory in South Bend Indiana and begain making the Avanti II. It looked exactly like a Studebaker Avanti but the old Studebaker engine was replace with various Corvette engines from Chevrolet. These cars were real screamers and had it all, a timeless, beautiful Loewy design and a big, powerful and time tested General Motors drive train. Avanti II continued on for a good 25 years more, making about 300 to 350 of these cars per year. I think the founders finally passed on and the factory closed for good around 1990. Read about the whole story in the following link!

http://www.avantisource.com/history.html

Well there you have it - a Studebaker bodied vehicle still being built and sold up to 1990 or 1991 and then it was finally all over. My auto story is over too. I hope some people find this interesting, I have always been fascinated with automobiles and automotive history but it is an unusual story which may not find much if any interest on this thread.
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Zinjifar

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The Studebakers were notorious for their poor gearboxes. When they eventually got it right with the Lark in about the early 60s they promptly went out of business and folded.

My dad had an old Studebaker commander of about 1950 or 51. Far in advance of others with its swept styling. It was a lovely ride for us kids - 6 of us - but the gear box always gave trouble.

We had a commander too.

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What the hell; daddy was a test pilot :)

My favorite car was my Triumph TR3

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Mine was in a mustard yellow. Note; I say favorite, not 'best' :)

Nowdays I'm more practical, but, I'd still drool at a nice TR6
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Zinj
 

lkwdblds

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Wow - Zinj - I am impressed. Thanks for responding.

We had a commander too.

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What the hell; daddy was a test pilot :)

My favorite car was my Triumph TR3

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Mine was in a mustard yellow. Note; I say favorite, not 'best' :)

Nowdays I'm more practical, but, I'd still drool at a nice TR6
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Zinj


Wow, Zinj, I am really impressed. Tell me that 1951 Studebaker Commander is not a strikingly good looking car! The cars of that era had "soul". Todays cars are pleasant looking but they are wind tunnel tested and most of them look quite similar. In the 50's each car had its own look, its own soul.

The TR3 was my Dad's favorite design. We tested one back around 1959 when I was 19. We drove it right down Harbor Blvd. in Downtown Fullerton (Harbor Blvd. was then called Spadra Rd.) All heads were turning as we drove down the street, the car had a nice exhaust rumble and leather seats and wooden accents in the interior. The price was right for the time, about $2,900, maybe low to mid $20,000's in todays money. There was a Jewish guy Murray Sporn who owned a place in Buena Park called "Seet Williams" which was a Volvo dealership which also sold several other imports such as the Triumph and the German Borgward "isabella" My Dad negotiated a good deal on a TR3 and drove it home to show my Mom. She raised hell and threatened to move out if he bought the TR 3. Reluctantly my Dad did not go ahead with the deal. He kept his eye on Triumphs and had his eye on a TR 6 and a TR 7. Ultimately, he never bought one.

The Austin Healy was another nice British Sports car about $1,000 more than the Triumph. Then there was the fabeled MG, which was popular in the early 50's with its late 1920's styling cues. There was a much more moderm MG introduced later, the MG A which had nice lines and was popular for a while.

Its funny about the Studebakers. Styling usually sold cars in the 30's, 40's, 50, and 60,s. Studebaker always was ahead in styling. Up until 1953 they were on a roll sales wise but starting in 1954 their sales went to hell even though they brought out the Golden Hawk, the GT Hawk and the Avanti and even the Lark was maybe the best looking compact. Good styling, mostly from the Raymond Loewy studios was not enough to keep that marque alive. I don't get it beacause their engineering and quality control were above average. Leon's transmission complaint is the only knock I ever heard about them. Also, the Champion model 6 cylinder got excellent gas mileage. Why did they fail so quickly after surviving since the 1890's and making it through the Great Depression. Something went wrong and it went wrong very rapidly.
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