The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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afaceinthecrowd
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Carmelo, I just love the stories you tell about your family life. They make me feel so good.
I hope you keep sharing them with us.
Ditto.
afaceinthecrowd
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Heh, actually, we're Squirrels!
I like nuts...that's why I keep coming back to this thread.
Ted
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Context!
Porter Wagoner wrote "Satisfied Mind" back in the '50s. I like the words as they ring with practical truth. But the tempo is a '50s tempo. Today I think it drags as many of the '50s Country songs do. The words ring true for all time; the tempo for the time in which it was written. If you recall the '50s, out in the country, there was a lot of time to listen to the corn grow, a lot of time for the drinking and relational soap opera of the day so often sang about.
Today we move along at a faster pace. We cover more territory aided by not only vehicular travel but also the internet. Today the song would have to be played at twice the tempo with some clever picking in the bridge. Average pickers today are comparable to the great pickers of yore.
Here's a lecture by David Byrne. "As his career grew, David Byrne went from playing CBGB* to Carnegie Hall. He asks: Does the venue make the music? From outdoor drumming to Wagnerian operas to arena rock, he explores how context has pushed musical innovation."
* CBGB (Country, Blue Grass, and Blues) -- a music club in the borough of Manhattan in New York City.
David Byrne asked, "Does the venue make the music?"
I ask, "Does the venue (time, place, forum, personnel, and so on) make the session?" I believe it does to a large degree. I will follow up with more in a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se8kcnU-uZw&feature=digest
Thanks Bro'...loved the cut...think I'll go get a 6-pack and watch it again
Lookin' forward to a lenghty response.
Face
Porter Wagoner wrote "Satisfied Mind" back in the '50s. I like the words as they ring with practical truth. But the tempo is a '50s tempo. Today I think it drags as many of the '50s Country songs do. The words ring true for all time; the tempo for the time in which it was written. If you recall the '50s, out in the country, there was a lot of time to listen to the corn grow, a lot of time for the drinking and relational soap opera of the day so often sang about.
Today we move along at a faster pace. We cover more territory aided by not only vehicular travel but also the internet. Today the song would have to be played at twice the tempo with some clever picking in the bridge. Average pickers today are comparable to the great pickers of yore.
Here's a lecture by David Byrne. "As his career grew, David Byrne went from playing CBGB* to Carnegie Hall. He asks: Does the venue make the music? From outdoor drumming to Wagnerian operas to arena rock, he explores how context has pushed musical innovation."
* CBGB (Country, Blue Grass, and Blues) -- a music club in the borough of Manhattan in New York City.
David Byrne asked, "Does the venue make the music?"
I ask, "Does the venue (time, place, forum, personnel, and so on) make the session?" I believe it does to a large degree. I will follow up with more in a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se8kcnU-uZw&feature=digest
lkwdblds
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These observations are something seldom discussed.
Face, you bring up points which I do not believe I've seen on anyone's thread on any message board. In 1940's and 50's jargon in movies and detective stories, Hubbard was a "heel" or a "louse." What else can you call someone who used the technique of "Use and Abuse?"
It is so demeaning to use people in the way he did and then discard them. This even extended to his own family, in fact he seems to have treated his own families, all three of them, the worst of all. Nib's Sister, later known as Katie Gillespie, seems to have had virtually no contact with him at all and his second daughter Alexis was totally disowned by him. The way Mayo, Urquhart and Mary Sue were treated by him after they did so much to help him, really has no parallel in any other historical type figures whom I know about.
Lakey
Yeah...you're right...El Ron walked away and let the runaway bus, driven by Hisself’s spawn, run over Urq. Urq, the guy that stood by Hisself through thick and thin, was at El Ron's beck and call 24-7, ceaselessly covered Hisself’s back quietly and honorably. If you or I had been fortunate enough to have an Urq at our side we woulda made sure he had a pure comm line to us for the rest of our lives…we woulda a checked in him from time to time to see how he was doing, to watch out for him, to care about him. Steve Marlow was a self affected, First Class Idiot Jackass with no clue, nor capability to have a clue, as to who and what Urq was and is. Urq was easin’ his way out ‘cause he was being squeezed out. Marlow was running an op, taunting Urq so that the CMO could get the public hanging they so dearly wanted.
Oh, and now that I think about this some more, Mary Sue wasn’t thrown under the bus, either. She jumped under the bus for El Ron and after she got out of the "hospital" the CMO cut her tongue out, gouged her eyes and cut her limbs off. Then, when El Ron El Rey checks out, that same bus, driven by Hisself’s spawn, runs over a defensless and shattered Mary Sue. If you or I had been fortunate enough to have a Mary Sue at our side we woulda “brought her home from the hospital” and cared for her, watched out for her, loved her. We woulda never let anything or anyone ever touch her again and we woulda provided for her well being and security after we were gone.
Face
Face, you bring up points which I do not believe I've seen on anyone's thread on any message board. In 1940's and 50's jargon in movies and detective stories, Hubbard was a "heel" or a "louse." What else can you call someone who used the technique of "Use and Abuse?"
It is so demeaning to use people in the way he did and then discard them. This even extended to his own family, in fact he seems to have treated his own families, all three of them, the worst of all. Nib's Sister, later known as Katie Gillespie, seems to have had virtually no contact with him at all and his second daughter Alexis was totally disowned by him. The way Mayo, Urquhart and Mary Sue were treated by him after they did so much to help him, really has no parallel in any other historical type figures whom I know about.
Lakey
afaceinthecrowd
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In the '50's I was growing up 20 miles outside of the second largest town in the county...population 957, which was 60 miles from the county seat and largest town in the county, Population 1,700. We didn't have TV reception in our part of the county until I was 8.
I'm a fan of many forms of music but I'm particularly partial to CBGB. Got lots and lots of favorites. I'm especially partial to Doc Watson.
Thanks for the Vid.
I'll watch it tomorrow.Face
CarmeloOrchards
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When I started this, I was sitting on the back porch, watching two future garbage truck drivers, or firemen, or heavy construction men moving rock, gravel, sand, and leaves and mix them with water from a hose and pine cones from a bag full that they collected.
Now I’m sitting near a rambling creek, keeping an eye on two water monsters wading, splashing, and tossing rocks in the water.
Have cell phone and laptop,
Will travel
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Just a quick note on toys.
Paper bags are good to collect treasures.
Cardboard boxes can be race cars, houses, boats, and many other things.
My old metal toy trucks (think Tonka, Marx, Buddy L Hubley genre) have mass and weight and force. They feel a lot more real than plastic. They can be rusty and missing wheels. It doesn’t matter. Plastic is just plain wimpy and so plastic.
In this age, where everybody has to have everything, I say quality and fewer things is better.
When the kids have a living room chock full of toys, not one of them is valuable. That is a non havingness state that I never experienced as a kid. So many kids have it all these days, and really there is nothing that matters. Yuck.
I have some very nice toys. My steam engine tractor is a real prize. I’ve liked steam engines since I was a kid, when my dad and I ran his steam engines by the fireplace. His steam engines sit on a shelf about five feet from my desk.
My kids don’t have any of their toys. I have my father’s toys from nearly one hundred years ago. I have my toys from fifty plus years ago.
Part of the quality of life has declined with mass production.
Now I’m sitting near a rambling creek, keeping an eye on two water monsters wading, splashing, and tossing rocks in the water.
Have cell phone and laptop,
Will travel
Wire Carmelo Orchards
Just a quick note on toys.
Paper bags are good to collect treasures.
Cardboard boxes can be race cars, houses, boats, and many other things.
My old metal toy trucks (think Tonka, Marx, Buddy L Hubley genre) have mass and weight and force. They feel a lot more real than plastic. They can be rusty and missing wheels. It doesn’t matter. Plastic is just plain wimpy and so plastic.
In this age, where everybody has to have everything, I say quality and fewer things is better.
When the kids have a living room chock full of toys, not one of them is valuable. That is a non havingness state that I never experienced as a kid. So many kids have it all these days, and really there is nothing that matters. Yuck.
I have some very nice toys. My steam engine tractor is a real prize. I’ve liked steam engines since I was a kid, when my dad and I ran his steam engines by the fireplace. His steam engines sit on a shelf about five feet from my desk.
My kids don’t have any of their toys. I have my father’s toys from nearly one hundred years ago. I have my toys from fifty plus years ago.
Part of the quality of life has declined with mass production.
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FoTi
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When I started this, I was sitting on the back porch, watching two future garbage truck drivers, or firemen, or heavy construction men moving rock, gravel, sand, and leaves and mix them with water from a hose and pine cones from a bag full that they collected.
Now I’m sitting near a rambling creek, keeping an eye on two water monsters wading, splashing, and tossing rocks in the water.
Have cell phone and laptop,
Will travel
Wire Carmelo Orchards
Just a quick note on toys.
Paper bags are good to collect treasures.
Cardboard boxes can be race cars, houses, boats, and many other things.
My old metal toy trucks (think Tonka, Marx, Buddy L Hubley genre) have mass and weight and force. They feel a lot more real than plastic. They can be rusty and missing wheels. It doesn’t matter. Plastic is just plain wimpy and so plastic.
In this age, where everybody has to have everything, I say quality and fewer thins is better.
When the kids have a living room chock full of toys, not one of them is valuable. That is a non havingness state that I never experienced as a kid. So many kids have it all these days, and really there is nothing that matters. Yuck.
I have some very nice toys. My steam engine tractor is a real prize. I’ve liked steam engines since I was a kid, when my dad and I ran his steam engines by the fireplace. His steam engines sit on a shelf about five feet from my desk.
My kids don’t have any of their toys. I have my father’s toys from nearly one hundred years ago. I have my toys from fifty plus years ago.
Part of the quality of life has declined with mass production.
This is so true. It's sad. People don't make toys for their kids anymore....they just go to the store and buy them. The new toys don't have the love and caring and the specialness that went into making the old toys. I never had a lot of toys, but the one's I had I treasured and spent a lot of time playing with them. They were valuable to me and I think life was richer that way. There was no TV then....no computers and people spent more time being creative and making things....and the toys one received were specially made for them by a friend or relative. I liked it that way.
And making mud pies was really fun.
It's really nice that you saved these wonderful toys from the past. And thanks for sharing more of your family stories.
When I started this, I was sitting on the back porch, watching two future garbage truck drivers, or firemen, or heavy construction men moving rock, gravel, sand, and leaves and mix them with water from a hose and pine cones from a bag full that they collected.
Now I’m sitting near a rambling creek, keeping an eye on two water monsters wading, splashing, and tossing rocks in the water.
Have cell phone and laptop,
Will travel
Wire Carmelo Orchards
Just a quick note on toys.
Paper bags are good to collect treasures.
Cardboard boxes can be race cars, houses, boats, and many other things.
My old metal toy trucks (think Tonka, Marx, Buddy L Hubley genre) have mass and weight and force. They feel a lot more real than plastic. They can be rusty and missing wheels. It doesn’t matter. Plastic is just plain wimpy and so plastic.
In this age, where everybody has to have everything, I say quality and fewer thins is better.
When the kids have a living room chock full of toys, not one of them is valuable. That is a non havingness state that I never experienced as a kid. So many kids have it all these days, and really there is nothing that matters. Yuck.
I have some very nice toys. My steam engine tractor is a real prize. I’ve liked steam engines since I was a kid, when my dad and I ran his steam engines by the fireplace. His steam engines sit on a shelf about five feet from my desk.
My kids don’t have any of their toys. I have y father’s toys from nearly one hundred years ago. I have my toys from fifty plus years ago.
Part of the quality o life has declined with mass production.
That's a Mamod, right?
I used to have the one with a long roof. Endless fun!
I like the stuffed dog too.
CarmeloOrchards
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the stuffed dog
The stuffed dog is stuffed with dog food and people food. He's an inveterate mooch. He's also a decent ocean swimmer, and bodysurfer
and he likes to play rough and tumble in the snow.
He runs the Bay to Breakers (7.5 miles) every year in San Francisco.
The tractor is a turn of the century (1900s) working salesman's model of an Advance Steam Tractor. This is a video of the real thing. Wait till you see the power take off belt that drives the thresher. i've never seenone that long in my life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfRaP1CPP0Q
That's a Mamod, right?
I used to have the one with a long roof. Endless fun!
I like the stuffed dog too.
The stuffed dog is stuffed with dog food and people food. He's an inveterate mooch. He's also a decent ocean swimmer, and bodysurfer
and he likes to play rough and tumble in the snow.
He runs the Bay to Breakers (7.5 miles) every year in San Francisco.
The tractor is a turn of the century (1900s) working salesman's model of an Advance Steam Tractor. This is a video of the real thing. Wait till you see the power take off belt that drives the thresher. i've never seenone that long in my life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfRaP1CPP0Q
CarmeloOrchards
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This is so true. It's sad. People don't make toys for their kids anymore....they just go to the store and buy them. The new toys don't have the love and caring and the specialness that went into making the old toys. I never had a lot of toys, but the one's I had I treasured and spent a lot of time playing with them. They were valuable to me and I think life was richer that way. There was no TV then....no computers and people spent more time being creative and making things....and the toys one received were specially made for them by a friend or relative. I liked it that way.
And making mud pies was really fun.
It's really nice that you saved these wonderful toys from the past. And thanks for sharing more of your family stories.
There is one other summer only pleasure: looking at and catching (and releasing) fireflies!
those little yellow lights are fireflies.
CarmeloOrchards
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here is a video, NOt from the 50s. The song is "Hit Parade of Love." It's an old bluegrass song that I've known since the 1960s. These girls are just so alive and real. They aren't the Dixie Chicks, but they're infectious.
The singers aren't country boys. It's been over fifty years since I first heard the song. In the hands of these two girls, it works in the 21st century.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeHEfcUD_Ws&feature=related
afaceinthecrowd
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I don’t know whether or not El Ron is the biggest “heel” of all historical figures…but for a “Philosopher”, “Guru”, “Savior”, “Enlightened One” he probably takes the cake, IMO.
When I learned that El Ron was not the “OT” that could “walk through walls” it was not that big of a WTF to me…I wasn’t in Scn for that…I was an ARCU/Consciousness kinda guy, that’s what interested me. El Ron’s treatment of others…Hisself’s continual greed, selfishness, callous self-serving amoral-ness…brought about a series of WTF’s that helped usher me out the back door. The SO was, more and more, becoming an extension of El Ron’s personality and the “New Civilization” that he promoted, that the SO was the “vanguard” of, was not a place I where wanted I live or work. I came to a point where I had lost all trust in the SO as an organization and had very little hope left for El Ron ever changing Hisself's ways.:confused2:
I knew there was some good stuff in Scn but I also knew there was some real, real bad stuff…I realized that the bad stuff was dominant and the good stuff was the lure and the fly paper.
Face
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RogerB
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I don’t know whether or not El Ron is the biggest “heel” of all historical figures…but for a “Philosopher”, “Guru”, “Savior”, “Enlightened One” he probably takes the cake, IMO.
When I learned that El Ron was not the “OT” that could “walk through walls” it was not that big of a WTF to me…I wasn’t in Scn for that…I was an ARCU/Consciousness kinda guy, that’s what interested me. El Ron’s treatment of others…Hisself’s continual greed, selfishness and self-serving amoral-ness…brought about a series of WTF’s that helped usher me out the back door. The SO was, more and more, becoming an extension of El Ron’s personality and the “New Civilization” that he promoted, that the SO was the “vanguard” of, was not a place I where wanted I live or work. I came to a point where I had lost all trust in the SO as an organization and had very little hope left for El Ron ever changing Hisself's ways.:confused2:
Face
Yeh, me too, Face.
I never met the "Old Man," but you echo my sentiments concerning the over all op and the SO precisely.
I was a dedicated Scn to the end. After I got declared SP, I tried to work within the system to get truth known and acted upon . . . but after several years of being screwed around by the "system" I came to the conclusion that it was too corrupt and beyond repair, and that's where and when I began to look elsewhere for answers.
Eventually, I also found ESMB, and here I got involved with those who were doing something effective to "handle" the CofS . . . whatever that final handling will end up being.
Certainly, one thing is for sure, Spike Bush and the Comm Ev Committee and Int Justice Chief that pulled their shit on me in '83 will rue the day they created me as an enemy.
DM take note, the true enemies of Scientology are within . . . you should look 'em up and go to town on them!
RogerB
afaceinthecrowd
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Yeh, me too, Face.
I never met the "Old Man," but you echo my sentiments concerning the over all op and the SO precisely.
I was a dedicated Scn to the end. After I got declared SP, I tried to work within the system to get truth known and acted upon . . . but after several years of being screwed around by the "system" I came to the conclusion that it was too corrupt and beyond repair, and that's where and when I began to look elsewhere for answers.
Eventually, I also found ESMB, and here I got involved with those who were doing something effective to "handle" the CofS . . . whatever that final handling will end up being.
Certainly, one thing is for sure, Spike Bush and the Comm Ev Committee and Int Justice Chief that pulled their shit on me in '83 will rue the day they created me as an enemy.
DM take note, the true enemies of Scientology are within . . . you should look 'em up and go to town on them!
RogerB
I'm with you on all that, Rog.
To know the SO is to know El Ron.
El Ron promoted Hisself as being "tuff but honest"...I learned, firsthand, that Hisself was mean and spiteful.
I think, in the end, '82-'84, will proove to have been the tipping point.
Face
afaceinthecrowd
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One more thing, Rog
Oh, and by the way, Rog…your clarity of insights has helped a whole lot of us folks, me, myself and I included…thanks.
Face
Oh, and by the way, Rog…your clarity of insights has helped a whole lot of us folks, me, myself and I included…thanks.
Face
CarmeloOrchards
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Is the glass half empty or half full?
You have made it very clear how LRH was able to help get you to overcome your bank, and shift into true survival mode. All praise Ron.
I don’t know whether or not El Ron is the biggest “heel” of all historical figures…but for a “Philosopher”, “Guru”, “Savior”, “Enlightened One” he probably takes the cake, IMO.
When I learned that El Ron was not the “OT” that could “walk through walls” it was not that big of a WTF to me…I wasn’t in Scn for that…I was an ARCU/Consciousness kinda guy, that’s what interested me. El Ron’s treatment of others…Hisself’s continual greed, selfishness, callous self-serving amoral-ness…brought about a series of WTF’s that helped usher me out the back door. The SO was, more and more, becoming an extension of El Ron’s personality and the “New Civilization” that he promoted, that the SO was the “vanguard” of, was not a place I where wanted I live or work. I came to a point where I had lost all trust in the SO as an organization and had very little hope left for El Ron ever changing Hisself's ways.:confused2:
I knew there was some good stuff in Scn but I also knew there was some real, real bad stuff…I realized that the bad stuff was dominant and the good stuff was the lure and the fly paper.
Face
You have made it very clear how LRH was able to help get you to overcome your bank, and shift into true survival mode. All praise Ron.
CarmeloOrchards
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CarmeloOrchards
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I beg to differ. They performed an essential Roger-otomy on what, already, was greed driven wild with power and corruption aplenty. The die had been cast. The sooner you left, the better for everyone. Yes, I do mean everyone, including them.
RogerB
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Oh, and by the way, Rog…your clarity of insights has helped a whole lot of us folks, me, myself and I included…thanks.
Face
Well, yes, I suppose I have been able to do a lot more good "out here" . . . Christ! actually, you've made me think, I would not have been able to help folks as I have nor develop any of the tech I've developed had I still been in
I'd have been in the straight-jacket! And, the other side of the coin is that being Roger-otomied as I was is actually the best thing that could have happened to me at the time it did.
Just the same, Spike Bush still deserves one of Mystic's cactus rota-rooterings
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