The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[lkwdblds]

OSA MEMO - A Convoy of Convicts is Forming....

Wow- A mondo road trip with carpooling!!! No, what's it called, A CONVOY of critics, partying on down to Texas to give Alan a great send off, and network with other Free Beings!...I'm in! What a fun adventure that would be!

Oh, and Lakey, thanks for the nice ack and the promotion...I will do my best to wear that hat well! (Think it does come naturally to me...)

Let's give good old Gadfly the credit for writing the tentacles of God along with Sparks of Light, I just remembered it and applied it here to this ongoing conversation...

Sweetness - As your first official duty as hostess, I appoint you to look into how many people would want to partake of such a convoy. According to OSA we would probably be called the Convoy of Convicts. I for one would be interested in attending.

Lakey

 

[Mark A. Baker]

It works on STs rigging the coin toss.

Are they any good with dice?


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

What about a junket or group of ex Scios from the greater Los Angeles area driving to Texas together so as to get to know one another in the flesh?

If it works out to be possible for me to do this at that time I'd like to be a part of this.


Mark A. Baker

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Get on the bus!

O.k., there's three possibles so far...anybody else? Pm me if you're shy!

 

[Leon]

Hey guys, I found my Goethe poem - after some diligent searching mind you. here it is:

Im Gegenwärtigen Vergangnes


Ros und Lilie morgentaulich
Blüht im Garten meiner Nähe;
Hinten an , bebuscht und traulich,
Steigt der Felsen in die Höhe;
Und mit hohem Wald umzogen
Und mit Ritterschloß gekrönet ,
Lenkt sich hin des Gipfels Bogen,
Bis er sich dem Tal versöhnet.

Und da duftets wie vor alters,
Da wir noch von Liebe litten
Und die Saiten meines Psalters
Mit dem Morgenstrahl sich stritten;
Wo das Jagdlied aus den Büschen
Fülle runden Tons enthauchte,
Anzufeuern , zu erfrischen
Wies der Busen wollt und brauchte.

Nun die Wälder ewig sprossen,
So ermutigt euch mit diesen,
Was ihr sonst für euch genossen,
Läßt in andern sich genießen,
Niemand wird uns dann beschreien,
Daß wirs uns alleine gönnen;
Nun in allen Lebensreihen
Müsset ihr genießen können.

Und mit diesem Lied und Wendung
Sind wir wieder bei Hafisen,
Denn es ziemt, des Tags Vollendung
Mit Genießen zu genießen.



It's all in german. Perhaps Heidrun or Lakey would do me the honour of translating it as I cannot find an English translation on the web.

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Something fun!

I finally found this, for all you Opera lovers, take a look:
Valencia Market Traviata-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3sLHPjkpNE

 

[lkwdblds]

Heidrun's going to have to handle this one.

Hey guys, I found my Goethe poem - after some diligent searching mind you. here it is:

Im Gegenwärtigen Vergangnes


Ros und Lilie morgentaulich
Blüht im Garten meiner Nähe;
Hinten an , bebuscht und traulich,
Steigt der Felsen in die Höhe;
Und mit hohem Wald umzogen
Und mit Ritterschloß gekrönet ,
Lenkt sich hin des Gipfels Bogen,
Bis er sich dem Tal versöhnet.

Und da duftets wie vor alters,
Da wir noch von Liebe litten
Und die Saiten meines Psalters
Mit dem Morgenstrahl sich stritten;
Wo das Jagdlied aus den Büschen
Fülle runden Tons enthauchte,
Anzufeuern , zu erfrischen
Wies der Busen wollt und brauchte.

Nun die Wälder ewig sprossen,
So ermutigt euch mit diesen,
Was ihr sonst für euch genossen,
Läßt in andern sich genießen,
Niemand wird uns dann beschreien,
Daß wirs uns alleine gönnen;
Nun in allen Lebensreihen
Müsset ihr genießen können.

Und mit diesem Lied und Wendung
Sind wir wieder bei Hafisen,
Denn es ziemt, des Tags Vollendung
Mit Genießen zu genießen.



It's all in german. Perhaps Heidrun or Lakey would do me the honour of translating it as I cannot find an English translation on the web.

Leon - A full translation of this is out of my League. The easiest way is to Google the title of the poem which I just did and a translation came up immediately. Doing this reveals that the title of the poem in English is "The Past and the Present" and the opening line means, "Roses and lillies full of morning dew blossom in a garden near me". Once I see the translation, I like to try and fiddle with it to see if I can improve it and thought I was doing so when attempting doing this, on the "Wanderer's Nachtlied II", Heidrun came in with translation software plus being a native speaker and showed me that I have a long way to go in learning German before I should be attempting to improve translations. The one good thing about doing it seems to be that it is an excellent way to learn more about a language, not just German but any foreign language.

When you start trying to improve a translation of a major poem, written by someone of stature such as Goethe, you, by necessity, must learn a lot of the fine nuances of a language and it seems to me in my brief experience of trying to do this, that you can break away from text book type language to talking more like a native would talk and then improve further into how a well educated native would speak it.

German is my favorite language to fiddle around with but for most of us in the US, Spanish is the most useful one to play around with and easily pays the most dividends if you are able to learn it. In our Southwestern states plus in Florida, it is approaching being a second national language the same way French is in Canada. Another of my favorites is Italian because of my interest in opera. Spanish and Italian are very similar and are both poetic and expressive but to me Italian is even more poetic and expressive than Spanish. Of course, if you learned only Italian, its only benefit might be if you are an opera lover or like art films whereas if you learn Spanish, the benefits in the USA are enormous as far as increasing your reach and access to tens of millions of speakers and opening doors in business and commerce for you as well.
Lakey

 

[lkwdblds]

Well, that is 3 people so far.

If it works out to be possible for me to do this at that time I'd like to be a part of this.


Mark A. Baker

Well, that is 3 people so far. Mark, I don't know if you are still in Orange County but you have Orange County roots so that we might say that Orange County (you and me) and Riverside County (Sweetness) would be well represented. The three of us would be sufficient probably, because once we got to the Ranch, we would most likely encounter some familiar faces plus meet many new people as well. It seems likely that more people would want to join the convoy, since we got 3 within just a few hours.
Lakey

 

[hbeer]

It's all in german. Perhaps Heidrun or Lakey would do me the honour of translating it as I cannot find an English translation on the web.

I'm afraid I won't be able to make the time... but the word is really "Haifisen", I'm at a loss here, don't recognize it...



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[Friend]

I was so captivated by the story.
You really worked with nuts. Nobody has the right to evaluate you.
Nobody has the right to tell you what you are about and able to do; your decision; just yours.
The upper staff should make their own robot machines to do the required job; if they can do anything and have no stops, because they are on Apollo. I don't see them around. Then you should be able to get your training. Best solution.
They failed to the degree you didn't get trained + you worked with SPs. Their ton level was very cronic low according what I observed. Non survival environment.
Friend

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Another Newbie joins the group! Hurrah!

Welcome Friend, what a nice nickname you've chosen for yourself!

Your observations are quite correct, a non-survival group sums up best the current scene with Corporate Scientology, and all those involved with it still. Freedom is very life affirming! There is lots of support of various kinds for anyone wanting to leave the church, now. Aren't you glad all these wonderful able people got themselves out, and are moving onward and upward with life? I am.

We love to hear people's stories here, if you would care to share any of yours.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Road Trip!

can we borrow Kent "Flounder" Dorfman's brother's Lincoln Continental?

 

[lkwdblds]

Thank you friend for posting your thoughts!

I was so captivated by the story.
You really worked with nuts. Nobody has the right to evaluate you.
Nobody has the right to tell you what you are about and able to do; your decision; just yours.
The upper staff should make their own robot machines to do the required job; if they can do anything and have no stops, because they are on Apollo. I don't see them around. Then you should be able to get your training. Best solution.
They failed to the degree you didn't get trained + you worked with SPs. Their ton level was very cronic low according what I observed. Non survival environment.
Friend

Friend PM'd me yesterday, she is Swedish and her Mother has roots in Hamburg, Germany and Friend also speaks German. This thread is attracting quite a few German speakers.

You know Friend, first, thank you for reading my story, Next, in reply to your comments, I think we should use the Church's own tech to point out to them how wrongly they judged us by throwing us out, telling us we are suppressive, incompetent and/or insane. (I got only the latter two but was never declared suppresive). My answer to them is to FLOURISH AND PROSPER! GET OUT PRODUCTS, IMPROVE PERCEPTION, RAISE TONE LEVEL, IMPROVE CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS AND MAKE THEM LOOK FOOLISH FOR TELLING US THAT WE ARE INSANE OR INCOMPETENT. ACHIEVE ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY CAN ONLY BE ACHIEVED FOLLOWING THEIR ROUTE AND DEMONSTRATE TO THEM THAT WE ACTUALLY CAN ACHIEVE MORE THAN WHAT THEY CLAIM ONLY THEY CAN ACHIEVE, MUCH MORE. We want them to rue with remorse the day they kicked each of us out and told us we were degraded beings. We want them to desperately realize they need us and want us back and to come hat in hand to us, begging us to return and asking not just for our money and our stats but rather for our help to get them straightened out. It may sound very unlikely that this will ever occur, but in fact it is already occuring around the World as we speak. Not all who lurk here are 100% impervious to the truths which are stated here, little by little, some of them are becoming more and more like us and a snowball effect will take place wherein we are going to be validated for what we are doing, not just amongst our selves. but from them as well.

The tone level is so much higher here, we honor and exercise free speech. People can discuss their problem areas and receive help from others. Money and stats don't enter into the picture as obsessions which dominate the whole activity to the extent that spiritual beings play second or third fiddle.

FLOURISH AND PROSPER, GET OUT PRODUCTS, KEEP IN ONE'S EXCHANGE AND MANY OF "THEM" WILL BE WON OVER AND MADE TO SEE THE ERROR OF THEIR WAY'S. When they finally open their eyes THEY will become US.
Lakey

 

[SweetnessandLight]

Yes!

"FLOURISH AND PROSPER, GET OUT PRODUCTS, KEEP IN ONE'S EXCHANGE AND MANY OF "THEM" WILL BE WON OVER AND MADE TO SEE THE ERROR OF THEIR WAY'S. When they finally open their eyes THEY will become US.
Lakey"

Amen, Lakey, Amen! From your lips to God's ear!

 

[lkwdblds]

Spiritual Team Mates - Just One Guys Opinions

We touched on Spiritual Team Mates a couple of days ago and it was a pretty hot button. I offered a win in this area from a touch assist I received about 6 years ago. By chance the guy who gave the assist was an OT III and had good vibes and I came up with a cognition or epiphany which was OT oriented and that was, "Come on guys, we are all in this together!" Refering to keeping my body and heart functions working well. It seemed as if there was a team, someone regulating the heartbeat, several participating in the blood pressure readings, some monitoring the regularity of the beat etc. My eyes were closed but when the auditor moved his finger towards my body I could "see" it and feel as if there was an entire organization at work which was in charge of my heart.

I know now that Alan has done a lot of work on this concept which I experienced but I have not yet studied any of his work. I plan on finding out more about it when I go to his ranch in Texas in March for his memorial service. I just wanted to do a little post on just my own personal experiences with spiritual teams and have other people tell their experiences. This should increase the awareness of this topic and when Roger and others who do have tech on this area, a larger audience will be set up to read what they have to say.

AN EX SCIO LOOKS AT SPIRITUAL TEAMS FROM A NON TRAINED POINT OF VIEW

Think back to when you were a small kid, perhaps 4 or 5 years old. I'll bet many of you believed you had at least one Guardian Angel looking out for your interests in life. Didn't there seem to be a small team of beings that only you could see who gave you tips on what to do, what to avoid doing, what team would win a ballgame, etc.?

Do you remember those comic books or the comics in the newspaper which had a little angels and a little devils, each speaking into a kids ear trying to convince the kid to do one thing or another?

IS THE GOAL IN LIFE TO MERGE BACK INTO A DIVINE ONENESS OR DEVELOP INDIVIDUALITY?
Eastern religions, the Vedic religions, seem to seek the melting away of personality and merging back into whence you came. Traditional Western Religions seem to feel, you have just one life and one body but you "have" something else that survives body death and that something is judged by God and the person is either rewarded or punished in the after life.

SCIENTOLOGY'S APPROACH - Scientology, though promoting in its introductory lecture and materials that it is a close relative of Buddhism, pulls a surprise as you go up the "Bridge" and as the beginning levels start to transition to the upper levels, around the state of Clear, you are suddenly told, much to your surprise, that Spiritual Beings are individuals and the trick is to separate or exorcise those things which are not actually the individual so that the individual can know exactly who he is not and then find exactly who he is. When this is achieved the idea is that the individual can then do drills to increase his OT abilities and then become virtually a God himself and run his own Universe.

THE TWO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A GOD AND INDIVIDUAL SPIRITS: When all is said and done, the differences between one individual and GOD condense down to two things, at least in my opinion.
#1. A spirit can be both Cause and Effect and alternates between the two.
God can ONLY be Cause. By definition God can never be effect.
#2. A spirit views through one viewpoint which he assumes.
God views through an infinite number of viewpoints.
When you look at things this way, Mankind is surprisingly Godlike since there are only two differences between Man and God, albeit those differences can be rather large. God can never be at effect point which is a huge difference and God views through all viewpoints versus basically one for man which is also huge. So though only two differences they are very large. (Of course God can pretend to be at effect point if that is desired.)

HOW CAN MANKIND BECOME MORE GODLY?
Well, the first thing that can be done and some of the more aware people do it is to view things through more than just their own viewpoint. You can stand in the other person's shoes and though not actually viewing from there, you can simulate viewing from there. In theory you could actually achieve this if you can obtain a CO EXISTENCE OF STATIC between two or more beings. You can also attempt to see things through the viewpoint of animals, insects,fish, and plant life. The more viewpoints you can manage, the closer to God that you become.

As to point #1, Cause and Effect, while one is runing a body, he has to be operating part of the time at effect, simply if he is hungry and has to obtain food, he or she is definitely acting at effect. Therefore, to have any chance of never being at effect, one would have to shed his body and yet still be extremely aware and perceptive.

ENTER ONE'S SPIRITUAL TEAM - A spiritual team right away makes one more Godlike because multiple viewpoints are established. A person thus sees things from many points of view and perspectives. If the team is functioning well, it also will keep a person more at cause and less at effect because the team is exterior and has perception greater than what the person can see with his body's sensory organs. Signals are routinely given by the team to not do harmful things and to do things which will work out well and this keeps the person more at cause.

Scientology never has, to my knowledge offered any technology which acknowledges or attempts to enhance one's Spiritual Team. Quite to the contrary, in the C of S, every entity which is not the thetan is run to a blow and this process can take as much as 7 to 10 years. The idea is to leave only the individual personality, itself, stripped bare. The theory is then what I stated above, the individual personality left intact is given information and then drilled and is supposed to achieve various OT abilities. Back in 2003, when I had my big win on a Touch Assist, I realized that these spirits which I was addressing should not be run out to a blow but should be brought up tone to help them run my body better. I was aware enough and looked deep enough at that time to see that these entities needed to remain part of the team but I was not sharp enough or capable of looking deep enough to connect the dots that runing out everything, which is not you but is in your space, to a blow just might not be the correct approach in 100% of the cases 100% of the time.

SUMMARY: Look around you for that Guardian Angel who used to be your secrete friend and confidant when you were a toddler and see if you can relocate her and if so reconnect your communication line and acknowledge how she helped you all those years ago and then start working with her again, just like in the old days, because all that time which transpired is after all only a mocked up thing based on agreements, strip the mock up away and it is just you and your Guardian Angel just as it has always been and when you reconnect with her, you will automatically become more Godlike.
Lakey

 

[Zinjifar]

Next, in reply to your comments, I think we should use the Church's own tech to point out to them how wrongly they judged us by throwing us out

Instead, stand on a woggy curb at dawn and facing the rising sun, scream:

Thank You Ron!

Zinj

 

[lkwdblds]

A new awareness while editing my previous post.

VIEWPOINTS - In editing my last post, I was trying to look deeper into viewpoints, I suggested in the earlier post that an individual being has only one viewpoint while the Diety has an infinite number. This is just tossed off as a given but is not at all obvious as to whether it is true or not.

One thing about viewpoints, apparently, is that they are not constructed but they are assumed. Good definitions of assume are "to take on or adopt", "to take on the characteristic of" and "to undertake the duties of". There is no creation of a viewpoint implied but rather that an infinite number of viewpoints are in existence and one is taken on or adopted. Questions arise immediately:

1. Can more than one spiritual being assume the same viewpoint?
2. Why can't a being take on more than one viewpoint?

On question #1, if two or more beings assume the same viewpoint, it is a coexistence of Static, that is to say, the two or more viewpoints become one.

Right away, this tells us that assuming a viewpoint is not a "Native State" but it has an additive built into it. Static is the native state. Static is what has sparked off from a Creator. After assuming a viewpoint, the static becomes a thetan, spirit, soul or whatever term you care to define it as. The thetan or spirit is the personality which makes spirits unique individuals and different from one another.

On question #2, if a space / time is created then in order to view it, a static must assume a point of view, creating a unique spiritual being, and then commence viewing the space from that point of view. Apparently, once the being has the space fully delineated and marked off with anchor or boundary points then the being can consider itself located anywhere within that space but the entire space depends on the adoption of the initial viewpoint. It must be an actual point, an infinitesimal point which supports the whole structure of the space for that one being.

More than one initial point of view is not possible at the instant of creation for any one being's space but once the space is fully set up with boundary or anchor points, then the being can take multiple viewpoints within his space.

Anchor points is preferable to boundary points because in theory, space would have no finite boundariess. When two or more beings agree to share a space, then any being agreeing to share a space can consider himself located in that space. Even so, each of the beings who make the agreement have but one initial point of view. If that point of view is knocked out or ceases to exist, that being returns to static, i.e. native state.

As a being gains more experience in living in an agreed upon space in an agreed upon Universe, it gains more wisdom about itself and other beings and can simulate or get an idea of what it would be like to be someone else and see things from that other beings perspective, though a wise and evolved being may get very close to taking on another persons viewpoint, and in so doing would become more God like, that is still not quite the same as assuming another person's viewpoint. To actually assume another beings point of view, the two beings would have to achieve coexistence of static and become the equivalent of one being.

HOW DOES ONE PURSUE A PATH TO ENLIGHTENMENT?
The next topic for discussion would be what would constitute a path leading to enlightenment or spiritual growth? Would it be to seek to become more and more individual as on the OT Levels through OT VIII and then attain real OT abilities further up the line and then start your own universe as if you were a God. This is the path suggested by LRH AND c OF S as I see it.

The other side of the coin would be to give up one's identity and individuality and merge back into native state or static. This is more a goal of the Vedic religions and some of the New Age Religions.

Perhaps the answer of how to approach it lies somewhere in between. Anyone got any ideas? I know that on ESMB, some of those wanting to return to Native state as a static are very fanatical about their view and bash heavily others who believe otherwise.
Lakey

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

take a celebrity, The Govenator, for example. Some people like to live their life through his eyes. How many people do you know, who say, "I'll be back" like Arnold?

I had a PC once, who became an alcoholic for 40 plus years due to his seeing a James Bond movie, and wanting to be swave (sic) and debonair. That was the basic. When he found that, he was able to quit drinking.

Football, baseball, basketball, Hollywood stars all set the pace for others to imitate.

Breaking down the walls between us, removing the individuation, allows us to see others' viewpoints easier. With certain lovers, you can "be" them and they "be /experience" you.

Sitting, creating a safe space with another, enjoying each other, can be most intimate ie. experiencing their feelings, emotions, thoughts, without censorship. Knowing them.

The optimum state for me is being able to do that with others or not, as I see fit.

 

[hbeer]

Wow Lakey, what a story. Thank you so much for reading the book for me. I was very very curious, but couldn't make the time.

BOOK REVIEW - MY BILLION YEAR CONTRACT - Nancy Many
One thing that confused me was that Nancy continued working for the Church doing intelligence work for them as a non Sea Org member. You would think that the ordeal she went through would preclude further participation in helping the Church. She does explain her thought processes throroughly as she goes which is one of the many good things about the book.

So many of us had a hard time letting go of the church, simply because we kept perceiving how important it would be to clean out aberration from humanity. While we thought that the church had a monopoly on the tech, letting go of the church was synonymous with letting go of a future in sanity.

Now with the tech on the internet and a first freezone structure in place, there is an alternative route, and we can build on that.



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[hbeer]

take a celebrity, The Govenator, for example. Some people like to live their life through his eyes. How many people do you know, who say, "I'll be back" like Arnold?

I had a PC once, who became an alcoholic for 40 plus years due to his seeing a James Bond movie, and wanting to be swave (sic) and debonair. That was the basic. When he found that, he was able to quit drinking.

Football, baseball, basketball, Hollywood stars all set the pace for others to imitate.

Breaking down the walls between us, removing the individuation, allws us to see others' viewpoints easier. With certain lovers, you can "be" them and they "be /experience" you.

Sitting, creating a safe space with another, enjoying each other, can be most intimate ie. experiencing their feelings, emotions, thoughts, without censorship. Knowing them.

The optimum state for me is being able to do that with others or not, as I see fit.

You are going 4th density:

http://www.worldtrans.org/lyssa/density.html

I have written an article on that. Will appear in Ivy. For non Ivy members, it's available backchannel.



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