Heidrun, that is another beautiful post !
Your explanation is one of the best I've heard about the area.
I'm not at that level, but that is the way I'd see it myself, of that I'm sure.
Wow, what an exciting life that must have been! I didn't know that the Magic Flute had such a forerunner.
Today's opera scene is no longer fun. The modern productions are often awful. They evoke my killer instincts! I mostly watch older productions on DVD, done by genius directors like Zeffirelli, Otto Schenk and the like. But they had a good new "Tristan" in Milan, I liked that one!
Karl hasn't replied to my PM. Probably has other things to do. Me too
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Quite correct, Lakey.
These Spiritual Teammate/entities are part of the relationship scene that enables the acquisition (notice I did not say capture
I have a friend who, on OT3, "lost" a Spiritual Teammate (STM). . . the STM simply took off . . . this some 35-40 years ago. My friend subsequently relocated the Being . . . now in its own human body aged around 30. My friend and the ex-STM now wearing an adult human body were able to co-process and restore their (mutual) relationship to my friend's original parents . . . that is the parents of 70+ years ago . . . . not the recent parents of the ex-STM's new body.
Make no mistake, these STMs/entities are real Beings, real Thetans.
Alan Walter has indeed created a magical Spiritual Teammate Restoration Handling List . . . it is a BPC assessment list containing nice items like: no role education? Failed to hat? Doesn't know what game you're playing? Not been given a role? etc.
Yep, Purple is correct in that.
Indeed, one of the ways I detect if a future I'm about to embark on (like catch an airplane) is OK, safe, correct, is to scan it and see if it is "light," and clean and without any dark mass.
If yes, all is OK. If there is any dark mass in or connected to the future I am reaching to perceive, or any occlusion, I know there is an out-of-ARC or bad scene there. I can either elect to not go with the proposed future, or inspect if more closely to get the specifics of what I've got to handle or avoid.
This is how I've saved my rear-end a couple of time, including deciding to not catch a flight to Glasgow back in the 70's that didn't arrive. I've also used it to help save the rear-end of friends on occasion.
Rog
(Some are VERY UNHAPPY right now because we have not been playing with paint lately 
) They compete with each other to show me beautiful things here, and also to entertain me with nice dreams. (Actually, it's kinda like being a kindergarten teacher again sometimes, except so far as I know, we don't have the potty problems, but every once in a while, the hamster does get lose in the classroom!!) 
if I even begin to start sharing some of my Spiritual experiences with him. It's really nice to be able to share these things a little here, with others who have some reality on them. 
Generally 
O.k. While looking for another post I found this from awhile back on Vinnie"s "Oh God" thread:
Gadfly said this:
"I like the analogy of each of us as a Spark of the Divine, as a tentacle of awareness and attention, reaching out from God to enable the experience of the wonders of His Creation. Of course, God's experience would involve the sum total of the experiences of a near infinite quad-zillions of "individual" Sparks of the Divine."
Gadfly is nobody's fool and usually formulates a strong post. If he could only get that temper under control.....mumble, mumble, grrrr.... Of course he has leveled the same compliants against me.
The quote above just elicited a new response from me which I am going to ponder tonight as I lie in bed since I am not currently meditating. His quote speaks of a tentacle reaching out from God. Vinnaire's post states a spark of life separates from God. A tentacle implies there is still a physical connection, a peninsula if you will while a separation requires no physical connection, an island if you will.
To be sure, there is a tremendous difference between the two concepts. The island requires a separation which introduces the concept of Space which introduces in turn the concept of time. The peninsula implies continuity and an extension rather than a separation, without separation there is no need to formulate space or time
THE GOTTERFUNKEN MODEL OF THE UNIVERSE REVISITED The Gotterfunken theory of the universe, sparks of God being emitted, requires separation and not tentacles. There is no way tentacles can exist in the inital stage of the universe starting up. Now once the start up is completed, i,e, the break away spark makes the decision "to be" and them assumes a viewpoint from which to view space, then tentacles can definitely become part of the universe. The newly postulated being can extend out tentacles all over the place which act as surrogates for "it". Thus there are Carmelo's dogs and cats in his neighborhood which are really just extensions of his beingness at work, perceiving and acting so as to make his neighborhood a safer place. HOWEVER IN THE GOTTERFUNKEN MODEL, tentacles can not be allowed in the initial step since they will not lead to a creation of space and time.
[B]THE CREATION OF SPACE AND TIME - PART 1 - THE BIG BANG THEORY [/B]Though most advocats of this concept assume that space is a given and is just there and was not created nor does it have to be continually created, the point source of all matter in the universe followed by the Big Bang does allow for the creation of space and time in a rational manner. Exploding by its nature conotates space being created, the force behind the explosion is condensed matter, resulting in energy, etc. The problem in this theory results from the lack of God, the Lack of BRAHMA and the admission that they can not explain where the matter in the ball came from and why all sorts of laws and physical constants are associated with that matter. To me, a theory which assumes that space was there as a given, matter is there as a given and an explosion took place, how or why no one knows, and then random events caused everthing to develop by chance and mesh in an impossibly intricate and orderly manner is so unsatisfying and unlikely as a valid theory that it is not even deserving of any comment.
GENESIS - PART 2 - THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT
The best I can say for this theory is that it makes a lot more sense than the Big Bang Theory. Any one living on Earth in very distant times, say 10,000 or 20,000 years ago is going to postulate a Creator. (normal English use of postulate). Every child growing up will tend to do this as well. That type of Earth is a low toned place, despite the beauty of the planet. This is so because nearly all who postulate a God postulate that they are created by one creator whom they are totally subservient to. They tend to give up the idea of having their own space and being causitve and responsible for things and prefer to think of themselves as small specks in God's overall design.
Both the Big Bang advocates and the Genesis advocates agree on one thing. They both feel that Mankind is insignificant in and of itself. The Big Bang crowd thinks mankind is of microscopic importance when compared to large amounts of Matter and Energy within a limitless space / time framework, while the Biblical crowd does assign importance to Mankind but only if he obeys the laws set down by God, the Creator.
PART 3- OTHER GOTTERFUNKEN POSSIBLITIES -
If beings are tentacles extended out from God with no space between God and the sparks of God, I can not really conceive of a Universe being developed, try as I might. There is just God, no space or time exists and therefore no matter, energy or motion is possible, so where is the universe? What is God if God has created nothing and has no dominion to rule over? We can only assign him with life potential. .
and I answered:
"Oooh, divine sparks, pretty! I could be a divine spark...sounds a lot like Kabbalah, that we are supposed to be finding and reunifying all of these divine sparks of the original light, and returning them to the shekinah. Hey-it's in my name! ********************************************divine sparks*******************************************"
Still looking for the other old post...
Yes, I can see your point, but it is not fully clear.
First, let me say that my simple obnosis (a forte when I use it) of OT 7's & 8's is that things are very wrong. They have a
fixed indoctrinated thought pattern which subverts and replaces their own beingness. This was especially obvious during an
OT Committee meeting or two I went to. The ladies there were all on 7 or 8 and their stats and presence were amazingly
low. I actually realized that if FSMing at the time I could have readily beat all of their stats combined.
these folks blind obedience to authority was just too obvious, cloyingly so. Many other experiences with the
"Sycophants Club" also back this up including 5 or 6 locals who I ran into recently.
Now to the Questions. I had a major look into the insanity at the core of Earth culture in 1968 in the Most Insane city of
Washington, District of Criminals, a superb laboratory for such a study! I saw intense EVIL and many other things that year
including that if they wanted to solve cancer, it would already have happened. (It was not a coincidence that that
cognition occurred while driving within a few hundred yards of the "National Cancer Institute".
Later I found Scientology and came to understand by logic and RJ-67 that OT-3 was buying us time here somehow. Then
not too long ago I read about it (but still will not listen to the Class-8 tapes for fear of "Freewheeling") and saw how other
beings were being handled in some quantity to whatever extent. Although the "Bridge" has been so sabotaged that this is
seemingly not being done in any sufficient amount today. In 1968 I also had a cog that due to entheta I was perceiving we
had two years left only. This was done without any physical contact with Scientology or any other subject and no
knowledge of their existence.
I guess the $64,000 question is what is the solution here, to optimally get to enough beings fast enough on the dynamics,
I have an answer for you, I just figured it out today on another thread. It would cost nothing, take advantage of existing resources and could be fully underway in a day or two. It is not very likely to happen due to Counter Intention and misunderstoods arising in Management.
SOLUTION FOR QUICKLY AND OPTIMALLY SAVING THE EARTH
SITUATIION: C of S in all their official documents and in everything they put out for public consumption assert that that mankind has the right to FREE SPEECH, the right to communicate freely. Though publicly stating this right of Mankind is inviolate and telling everyone who they disseminate to that the Church is an advocate of and adheres to this fundamental right of Mankind, the Church in actual fact does not practice nor allow to be practiced this fundamental right of mankind.
WHY: C of S Int Management somehow feels that if FREE SPEECH were allowed in Organizations, it would stir up and agitate bad feelings and would enable the public and staffs to make it more difficult for Management to get stats up and expand the C of S as they see fit.
POLICY TO FOLLOW - "When in Doubt Communicate!"
PROGRAM FOR HANDLING - 1. Convince Int Management that allowing free speech has helped stats grow throughout history wherever it has been tried while groups who suppress free speech do not last for long times and do not grow.
2. BRING INTO ALIGNMENT WHAT MANAGEMENT SAYS IT FEELS ABOUT FREE SPEECH WITH THE ACTUAL SITUATION IN THE ORGS BY ALLOWING FREE EXPRESSION OF ONE'S THOUGHTS INSIDE THE ORGS WITH ANYONE WHO ONE WISHES TO COMMUNICATE WITH.
If this "Eval" were followed there would be an immediate and enormous groundswell of good will and positive activity within the C of S. Fair Game and separation of families would be undone, attacks by news media would be de fanged by the new liberal policies, refund demands would be cut back, attacks by governments would be cut back.
THE PLAN COULD BE IMPLEMENTED VERY QUICKLY WITH NO ADDITIONAL OUTLAY OF FUNDS, OTHER THAN SOME ADVERTISING TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT POLICY HAS CHANGED. Between C of S and the rest of its field plus the independent field, enough people would be taking part to save the Earth in time.
1,3 & 4 ? without the use of OT-3, which is flawed at best from what my more enlightened friends tell me?
I do recall the days when some beings seemed to win on OT-3.
A factor, apparently, is the early ones to do it were generally of greater theta endowment and handled more beings
because of that and the time-urgency demands of Earth.
I am told Knowledgism has the better solution, but I do not see much impact there for the 3rd or 4th dynamics and wonder
why ? Is it poor organization, not enough doing it, no 4th dynamic purpose, or what ?
Question: What are the levels needed to get to that point in Knowledgism and how long can it take for a fucked-up being ?
Many more questions could be formed here, but I think you see what it is I'm trying to get at, by now.
To answer your questions directly, it certainly doesn't take many years to handle what is essentially a singular phenomena
of other beings in your space being handled, even though that space would gradiently reach out in time to the corners of
this universe. Probably properly 3-5 years maximum. Then do OT drills to recover one's abilities. One doesn't hear about that
much these days !
On the question of LRH, in my research he was totally overwhelmed and nuts when he died which was too obvious.
Sort of weird and crazy that he didn't do his own "Bridge", although he had all oportunity to do so. That is doubly crazy !!!
Flys In The Ointment:
1> Too many Withholds would be missed.
2> Service Facimiles of the Sea Org as a BIG roadblock.
3> Miscarriage still in charge because the correct process has not been
run on him, although some must be thinking of it by now.
4> The power inherent in the dismissed and declared field is too dispersed
by fear and Disconnection and lack of Integrity to make it work.
5> In 1975 I was in the auditorium at Flag with many BIG BEINGS and felt so
much theta power there that I thought the roof was going to blow off !
THAT power was enough to get the job done but it was sabotaged and
dispersed mainly by False Declares and many have died by this date.
6> Hubbard carefully planted the seeds of destruction of the group due to his
insanities and no one called him on it. An example is that their was a sex
scandal in Dec.,1975 at Flag and Hubbard who was there at the time
threw the book at some involved losing a proven Class-12 and others.
Of course he was acting directly out of his severe missed withholds on
sex, which were many and varied.
7> There have always been unidentified true SP's in the group who could not
be seen by Hubbard due to his case similarities and they continuously
destroyed. If Hubbard could with a clear eye looked at Miscarriage, he
would have put his hands around his throat and eliminated him early.
(Oddly enough perhaps, one who could pick out SP's with skill was Capt.
Bill Robertson. I say that because I ran across a list of them that he
picked out in the eighties and I knew enough of them as SP's myself to
get that he knew how to apply the data. But by that time the sabotage
was under way and his moves to eliminate those people was sabotaged
too. Of course Miscarriage declared him and anyone else being effective.
Sorry to spoil your plan, Lakey, but it seems a wee bit "sweetness & light"
and "pie-in-the-sky".
The only hope here is an invasion of the good "Greys" while the SP races are on vacation.
Or, alternately, if I can remenber where I parked my space ship battlewagon.
I had an old friend with one, but everytime he goes to get it, it kills him as it is protected by a personality imprinting
device, but his personality changed in Scientology ! A bit more complex than a password !
Your lucid and fulsome post requires due consideration and an equally fulsome response.
D) and say that I think Lakey's idea has much merit. If we are to seriously consider reform in Corporate Scientology, more comm and not less, and total freedom of speech and association are musts... I do get your other points about current management and implementation problems, but everything changes eventually. It is possible just to have a viral revolution where enough people on various levels stand in their power and say, "no more"! Social change is often effected that way. Why aren't you meditating??? :confused2: Don't go too long without it! 
Leon, I can tell we will all reap the benefit of this long-awaited post. 
Howdy TipToe, welcome to the thread! Knight Vision, good to see you again, and Happy New Year! I celebrate your freedom with you!
I second the welcome to Tip Toe and also Knight Vision. KV, did you get your name by eating a lot of carrots? Oh, you say Knight not night. Sorry!
Blue, I'm going to stand up for all sweetness and light beings everywhere
Thanks SandLy. You got the drift of what I was trying to say.
Lakey, I like your expansion of the Gotterfunken model. I have to say that it's hard to get spiritual concepts by modeling them after material structures, but you are doing a fine job of exploration of the topic. And on a purely subjective note, I definitely feel connected to and supported by the infinite...however we chose to label it!
SandLy - You introduced material structures through using the word tentacles, not me. Your usage of that word inspired me to look into the area deeper and I ran with the ball and expanded my previous theory. Now everytime we hear Beethoven's 9th Symphony, we will be reminded of the Gotterfunken theory of the Universe. Take a bow, Schiller for writing the poem, Beethoven for writing the great piece of music and Sweetness and Light for being reminded of tentacles of God rather than sparks of God when the immortal word Gotterfunken was used. "Gotterfunken" sounds like the brand name of German Log Lighter to start up barbeques. When the American Indians rubbed two sticks together to start a fire, they were engaging in a little Gotterfunken, generating quite a few of those sparks thrown off by gods. How about a new dance out of Germany or Austria called "The Gotterfunken"? The hottest females and males would generate heavenly sparks by gyrating around each other in revealing clothing or lack thereof.
Thanks for the good review of Nancy's book, I think we should promote it every so often, here and there. She and Chris have really been through the ringer of Corporate Scientology, and came out not just as survivors, but as clear winners!!! I very much appreciated her sharing her thoughts about working for and then against COS, and doing a turn via OSA. I'm still trying to fathom the mentality and grasp on ethical reality of current OSA operatives, including (I suspect) my former friend.
Roger, bless your heart, wrestling with IT stuff...I am flowing you and your tech support people theta!!!
Carmelo, thank you for the notice of Alan's memorial service. I will be there in Spirit if not in actuality. Lakey, are you up for a road trip in March?
What a fun adventure that would be!
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