FoTi
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
And this one.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjXyoAgeiQ&feature=related
And this one.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbjXyoAgeiQ&feature=related
The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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lkwdblds
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
To me, this type of prodigy makes a strong objective case for past lives. Obviously, this child has not studied music or studied playing drums so how does he instinctively know how to do it? The crowd who insists that Man is a brain would have to really stretch their theory to make something of this nature fit into it.
How would the cells in the boy's memory inside his brain already have drum playing built into them so that a child go perform such a feat at such an early age? What is more, child prodigies in many fields appear, usually a few in each generation. There have been many musical prodigies and mathematical prodigies just to name 2 fields where this has occurred..
Lakey
To me, this type of prodigy makes a strong objective case for past lives. Obviously, this child has not studied music or studied playing drums so how does he instinctively know how to do it? The crowd who insists that Man is a brain would have to really stretch their theory to make something of this nature fit into it.
How would the cells in the boy's memory inside his brain already have drum playing built into them so that a child go perform such a feat at such an early age? What is more, child prodigies in many fields appear, usually a few in each generation. There have been many musical prodigies and mathematical prodigies just to name 2 fields where this has occurred..
Lakey
Mick Wenlock
Admin Emeritus (retired)
Re: Haiti
To be honest I think solid infrastructure is the way to go.
Roads - actual good roads that support the local transportation - if they use donkeys and carts then there should be a lane, separated from the car lane that is for them.
Reliable hardy busses that run regular routes and are protected.
Wireless towers with large bandwidth capabilities and community wireless access points with very low access charges for communities.
Put in a way for people to move goods efficiently to a market and they will start to produce things to sell in the market. Give them an easy way to communicate and find out what is happening and where they can buy things and sell them and they will start to do so. Safeguard the roads and the markets so that people can start to work without fear of being robbed.
It starts with people. Good luck to you CO - your (daughter?) has a wonderful chance to make one helluva difference. If we can somehow help haitians to unleash the creative power that they have - could transform the whole region.
To be honest I think solid infrastructure is the way to go.
Roads - actual good roads that support the local transportation - if they use donkeys and carts then there should be a lane, separated from the car lane that is for them.
Reliable hardy busses that run regular routes and are protected.
Wireless towers with large bandwidth capabilities and community wireless access points with very low access charges for communities.
Put in a way for people to move goods efficiently to a market and they will start to produce things to sell in the market. Give them an easy way to communicate and find out what is happening and where they can buy things and sell them and they will start to do so. Safeguard the roads and the markets so that people can start to work without fear of being robbed.
It starts with people. Good luck to you CO - your (daughter?) has a wonderful chance to make one helluva difference. If we can somehow help haitians to unleash the creative power that they have - could transform the whole region.
FoTi
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CarmeloOrchards
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CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
yes, the Palace, for instance, was demolished because of the damage from the earthquake.
yes, the Palace, for instance, was demolished because of the damage from the earthquake.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
la de dah
since ESMB is on its deathbed, here is a BLAST FROM THE PAST:
Originally Posted by AnonymousID-V42B
This might seem a little odd, but it occured to me...
What DID you people in Scientology do for fun? And I mean real fun and not that "Glee" business. (For my Anonymous Brothers and Sisters, I'm asking, "Where's the lulz?")
I've seen threads on Tech, Auditing, etc, but... where was the fun?
And was there cake?
I was in before the group became a cult. I left in 1976.
Scientology was really fun in the late 60s and early 70s
In addition to the normal movies, clubs, rock concerts, a huge group of us at Santa Clara (literally dozens) went to Altamont the night before the concert. We walked in backstage behind Keith Richard. Among us was my girl friend, Laurie Noonan (who later married Michael Douglas, and is now married to Dave Englehart), Charlie Rush, Jack Dirhman, and loads more. We had great seats (it was grass seating, no chairs anywhere) about 100 feet from the stage.
At the Palo Alto center (they were "centers," not "missions") dozens of us got together for hot tubbing, swimming, playing in swimming pools. All of this was skinny dipping. We would stuff hot tubs with naked people. This is California, mind you.
One early morning a PC from back east was out on the deck smoking. My wife called to him from the hot tub. When he realized that she was naked he turned the brightest shade of red.
At ASHO on Temple St., before it became all Sea Org: The girls were hotties, and many wore mini skirts and no underwear. Those were good days.
In LA around Milt and Ron Wolf's apt there were games of "Truth or Dare." The truths and the dares could push the envelope pretty far. I also remember becoming a water brother of Greg Pauley and a bunch of other auditors and GO people at some party. "Water brothers" are from _Stranger in a Strange Land_
in addition there was lots of sex, we were all young and horny with hellzapoppin hormones. The pill was in use by most females that I knew. Aids was decades away.
Then there were always the funny stories from auditing. One that I remember well was with Dolores Stokes. She had a PC with a sore throat. She was going to give him an auditing assist for the sore throat. She asked him whatever the question was. He replied that he always got sore throats the next day after giving dozens of blow jobs the night before. That story went around the center like wild fire. No one was disapproving or self righteous, we just thought it was hilarious.
Another funny story was a white guy, black belt in karate, who took out a black chick on a date. When he got her back to her house, a bunch of the "brothers" were waiting for him. They didn't want him taking out one of their women. He left them all laying on the ground.
I remember working at the Menlo Park center (in Northern California) until 10 PM on Friday night, getting into my car, driving 350 miles south to LA, playing all week end with friends, never sleeping, and driving back to Menlo for Monday morning work week. That happened a good deal of the time.
The Viet Nam war was going on back then. There were lots of funny stories of guys flunking the draft physical. Albert Ribisi wore his wife's underwear to the draft physical. Mimi S. did my mascara so that I looked just right with my (future) wife's blouse. Actually, it was quite demure.
To wrap this answer up, we lived normal (what we now call) "start-up" lives, we worked hard, we played hard. Everything was fun. Even bulk mailings, which were all hand projects and totally fun.
I left when the fun left.
since ESMB is on its deathbed, here is a BLAST FROM THE PAST:
Originally Posted by AnonymousID-V42B
This might seem a little odd, but it occured to me...
What DID you people in Scientology do for fun? And I mean real fun and not that "Glee" business. (For my Anonymous Brothers and Sisters, I'm asking, "Where's the lulz?")
I've seen threads on Tech, Auditing, etc, but... where was the fun?
And was there cake?
I was in before the group became a cult. I left in 1976.
Scientology was really fun in the late 60s and early 70s
In addition to the normal movies, clubs, rock concerts, a huge group of us at Santa Clara (literally dozens) went to Altamont the night before the concert. We walked in backstage behind Keith Richard. Among us was my girl friend, Laurie Noonan (who later married Michael Douglas, and is now married to Dave Englehart), Charlie Rush, Jack Dirhman, and loads more. We had great seats (it was grass seating, no chairs anywhere) about 100 feet from the stage.
At the Palo Alto center (they were "centers," not "missions") dozens of us got together for hot tubbing, swimming, playing in swimming pools. All of this was skinny dipping. We would stuff hot tubs with naked people. This is California, mind you.
One early morning a PC from back east was out on the deck smoking. My wife called to him from the hot tub. When he realized that she was naked he turned the brightest shade of red.
At ASHO on Temple St., before it became all Sea Org: The girls were hotties, and many wore mini skirts and no underwear. Those were good days.
In LA around Milt and Ron Wolf's apt there were games of "Truth or Dare." The truths and the dares could push the envelope pretty far. I also remember becoming a water brother of Greg Pauley and a bunch of other auditors and GO people at some party. "Water brothers" are from _Stranger in a Strange Land_
in addition there was lots of sex, we were all young and horny with hellzapoppin hormones. The pill was in use by most females that I knew. Aids was decades away.
Then there were always the funny stories from auditing. One that I remember well was with Dolores Stokes. She had a PC with a sore throat. She was going to give him an auditing assist for the sore throat. She asked him whatever the question was. He replied that he always got sore throats the next day after giving dozens of blow jobs the night before. That story went around the center like wild fire. No one was disapproving or self righteous, we just thought it was hilarious.
Another funny story was a white guy, black belt in karate, who took out a black chick on a date. When he got her back to her house, a bunch of the "brothers" were waiting for him. They didn't want him taking out one of their women. He left them all laying on the ground.
I remember working at the Menlo Park center (in Northern California) until 10 PM on Friday night, getting into my car, driving 350 miles south to LA, playing all week end with friends, never sleeping, and driving back to Menlo for Monday morning work week. That happened a good deal of the time.
The Viet Nam war was going on back then. There were lots of funny stories of guys flunking the draft physical. Albert Ribisi wore his wife's underwear to the draft physical. Mimi S. did my mascara so that I looked just right with my (future) wife's blouse. Actually, it was quite demure.
To wrap this answer up, we lived normal (what we now call) "start-up" lives, we worked hard, we played hard. Everything was fun. Even bulk mailings, which were all hand projects and totally fun.
I left when the fun left.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
what is important?
ESMB has been the pot bellied stove in the hardware store
for all of us to gather by for the last four years.
In October, it will be strange not to have you all here.
Will we congregate at a new "church" or go our separate ways?
Thank you all for being a part of the "trip."
It has been fun.
I assume that we'll meet again, sometime, somewhere.
In the meantime, let's party until the curtain comes down.
ESMB has been the pot bellied stove in the hardware store
for all of us to gather by for the last four years.
In October, it will be strange not to have you all here.
Will we congregate at a new "church" or go our separate ways?
Thank you all for being a part of the "trip."
It has been fun.
I assume that we'll meet again, sometime, somewhere.
In the meantime, let's party until the curtain comes down.
Veda
Sponsor
Re: what is important?
Please read the entire "I'm done" thread before indulging in any more of this
reminiscing. Thanks.
Please read the entire "I'm done" thread before indulging in any more of this
reminiscing. Thanks.
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
What's My Line?
[video=youtube;aQdZyi6fozY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQdZyi6fozY&feature=g-vrec&context=G2b3dcffRVAAAAAAAAAQ[/video]
[video=youtube;aQdZyi6fozY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQdZyi6fozY&feature=g-vrec&context=G2b3dcffRVAAAAAAAAAQ[/video]
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: What's My Line?
Great clip! I watched hundreds of episodes of that show but never saw that one. Some of the other guests that come up on the screen when the video ends are also pretty interesting, especially the one where Groucho is a panelist.
Lakey
Great clip! I watched hundreds of episodes of that show but never saw that one. Some of the other guests that come up on the screen when the video ends are also pretty interesting, especially the one where Groucho is a panelist.
Lakey
FoTi
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
What did people do to survive there before the earthquake?
What did people do to survive there before the earthquake?
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: la de dah
WHERE WAS THE FUN IN THE OLD DAYS?
L.A. Org - June 1970 - Oct 1970 Taking classes 7:00 to 10:30 PM
1. My original FSM Harry Frisch and I became best friends. He was well known and popular and introduced me around.
2. When the "Roach Coach" arrived at break time. I was brand new and everyone was extremely welcoming and friendly.
3. TR 0 with bull bait - This was a lot of fun and usually was very entertaining. It was easy to make friends with someone after bull baiting them.
Celebrity Centre - Oct '70 to Oct '71 as public
1. Poetry by Candlelight 7 nights a week with free admission. About 100 to 150 attended nightly. The entertainment was of a high level, about that of a Vegas lounge show or better. It was easy to meet people and make friends.
2. The CCLA Snack Bar - Sort of like a Starbucks of its day. Great health drinks, great food, friendly and beautiful people who were generally open to conversation.
3. Denny's, Kentucky Chicken and Langer's Deli - Denny's was always full of Scios, talking, having a good time and of course doing "coffee shop auditing".
4. International House of Pies in Hwd. My brother, myself and our incredible good friend Beverly Carter, a beautiful up and coming actress, frequented this establishment often. About half the time, Harry would join us.
5. There was a pool hall near Denny's that was a hang out for Scios and the movie house across from Mac Arthur Park was also popular. Many staff went there on their days off.
6. Poetry Readings - These were big and happened often in the Scio rooming houses which surrounded the Orgs.
7. Parties - Once or twice a month some Scio who lived in the area would put on a party. Most of us could not drink beer or any hard liquor because we were on course or getting sessions. Mainly there would be music playing and a lot of conversation and those who didn't need to be sessionable would drink.
ASHO Jan '76 through 1981.
1. Tommy's Burgers at break and a health food store with a cafe called "Organicville"
2. At night some of us went up to the "Brotherhood of the Source" restaurant on the Sunset Strip.
AOLA 1977 through 1992
1. The most fun thing there was the PC Waiting room and later on the NOTS waiting room. In the 80's and 90's we often ran into our old pals from the 70's. The waiting rooms were like "old home week".
Some of the people I talked to in the waiting room were the following:
Joyce Meyers - The former Deputy CO at CCLA under Yvonne.
Karen Black the actress
Kenny Wasserman - former HQS Course Supervisor
Bob Mithoff - Ray's brother
Pat Marachek - A rock musician drummer who teamed with Pat Robinson as "Back Pocket"
Kathy Moore - A beautiful young ballet dancer who was only 19 back in 1971 when I first saw her. I saw her in 1981 when at the age of 29 when she was making a comeback in classical dancing. I saw her later around 1990 when she was on the verge of turning 40. I rated her perhaps the best looking woman at CCLA although there were two others who I thought were her equal, Nancy L. and Judy P. Kathy hated turning 40 but I assure you that she was still a remarkably beautiful woman at age 39. Purple Haze tells me that Kathy was her best friend when she was at CCLA. She was also very good friends with the Todhunter opera singing sisters, Joan and Susan. Nobody knows what she is doing now but we are pretty sure that she is still in C of S.
Lakey
since ESMB is on its deathbed, here is a BLAST FROM THE PAST:
Originally Posted by AnonymousID-V42B
This might seem a little odd, but it occured to me...
What DID you people in Scientology do for fun? And I mean real fun and not that "Glee" business. (For my Anonymous Brothers and Sisters, I'm asking, "Where's the lulz?")
I've seen threads on Tech, Auditing, etc, but... where was the fun?
And was there cake?
I was in before the group became a cult. I left in 1976.
Scientology was really fun in the late 60s and early 70s
In addition to the normal movies, clubs, rock concerts, a huge group of us at Santa Clara (literally dozens) went to Altamont the night before the concert. We walked in backstage behind Keith Richard. Among us was my girl friend, Laurie Noonan (who later married Michael Douglas, and is now married to Dave Englehart), Charlie Rush, Jack Dirhman, and loads more. We had great seats (it was grass seating, no chairs anywhere) about 100 feet from the stage.
At the Palo Alto center (they were "centers," not "missions") dozens of us got together for hot tubbing, swimming, playing in swimming pools. All of this was skinny dipping. We would stuff hot tubs with naked people. This is California, mind you.
One early morning a PC from back east was out on the deck smoking. My wife called to him from the hot tub. When he realized that she was naked he turned the brightest shade of red.
At ASHO on Temple St., before it became all Sea Org: The girls were hotties, and many wore mini skirts and no underwear. Those were good days.
In LA around Milt and Ron Wolf's apt there were games of "Truth or Dare." The truths and the dares could push the envelope pretty far. I also remember becoming a water brother of Greg Pauley and a bunch of other auditors and GO people at some party. "Water brothers" are from _Stranger in a Strange Land_
in addition there was lots of sex, we were all young and horny with hellzapoppin hormones. The pill was in use by most females that I knew. Aids was decades away.
Then there were always the funny stories from auditing. One that I remember well was with Dolores Stokes. She had a PC with a sore throat. She was going to give him an auditing assist for the sore throat. She asked him whatever the question was. He replied that he always got sore throats the next day after giving dozens of blow jobs the night before. That story went around the center like wild fire. No one was disapproving or self righteous, we just thought it was hilarious.
Another funny story was a white guy, black belt in karate, who took out a black chick on a date. When he got her back to her house, a bunch of the "brothers" were waiting for him. They didn't want him taking out one of their women. He left them all laying on the ground.
I remember working at the Menlo Park center (in Northern California) until 10 PM on Friday night, getting into my car, driving 350 miles south to LA, playing all week end with friends, never sleeping, and driving back to Menlo for Monday morning work week. That happened a good deal of the time.
The Viet Nam war was going on back then. There were lots of funny stories of guys flunking the draft physical. Albert Ribisi wore his wife's underwear to the draft physical. Mimi S. did my mascara so that I looked just right with my (future) wife's blouse. Actually, it was quite demure.
To wrap this answer up, we lived normal (what we now call) "start-up" lives, we worked hard, we played hard. Everything was fun. Even bulk mailings, which were all hand projects and totally fun.
I left when the fun left.
WHERE WAS THE FUN IN THE OLD DAYS?
L.A. Org - June 1970 - Oct 1970 Taking classes 7:00 to 10:30 PM
1. My original FSM Harry Frisch and I became best friends. He was well known and popular and introduced me around.
2. When the "Roach Coach" arrived at break time. I was brand new and everyone was extremely welcoming and friendly.
3. TR 0 with bull bait - This was a lot of fun and usually was very entertaining. It was easy to make friends with someone after bull baiting them.
Celebrity Centre - Oct '70 to Oct '71 as public
1. Poetry by Candlelight 7 nights a week with free admission. About 100 to 150 attended nightly. The entertainment was of a high level, about that of a Vegas lounge show or better. It was easy to meet people and make friends.
2. The CCLA Snack Bar - Sort of like a Starbucks of its day. Great health drinks, great food, friendly and beautiful people who were generally open to conversation.
3. Denny's, Kentucky Chicken and Langer's Deli - Denny's was always full of Scios, talking, having a good time and of course doing "coffee shop auditing".
4. International House of Pies in Hwd. My brother, myself and our incredible good friend Beverly Carter, a beautiful up and coming actress, frequented this establishment often. About half the time, Harry would join us.
5. There was a pool hall near Denny's that was a hang out for Scios and the movie house across from Mac Arthur Park was also popular. Many staff went there on their days off.
6. Poetry Readings - These were big and happened often in the Scio rooming houses which surrounded the Orgs.
7. Parties - Once or twice a month some Scio who lived in the area would put on a party. Most of us could not drink beer or any hard liquor because we were on course or getting sessions. Mainly there would be music playing and a lot of conversation and those who didn't need to be sessionable would drink.
ASHO Jan '76 through 1981.
1. Tommy's Burgers at break and a health food store with a cafe called "Organicville"
2. At night some of us went up to the "Brotherhood of the Source" restaurant on the Sunset Strip.
AOLA 1977 through 1992
1. The most fun thing there was the PC Waiting room and later on the NOTS waiting room. In the 80's and 90's we often ran into our old pals from the 70's. The waiting rooms were like "old home week".
Some of the people I talked to in the waiting room were the following:
Joyce Meyers - The former Deputy CO at CCLA under Yvonne.
Karen Black the actress
Kenny Wasserman - former HQS Course Supervisor
Bob Mithoff - Ray's brother
Pat Marachek - A rock musician drummer who teamed with Pat Robinson as "Back Pocket"
Kathy Moore - A beautiful young ballet dancer who was only 19 back in 1971 when I first saw her. I saw her in 1981 when at the age of 29 when she was making a comeback in classical dancing. I saw her later around 1990 when she was on the verge of turning 40. I rated her perhaps the best looking woman at CCLA although there were two others who I thought were her equal, Nancy L. and Judy P. Kathy hated turning 40 but I assure you that she was still a remarkably beautiful woman at age 39. Purple Haze tells me that Kathy was her best friend when she was at CCLA. She was also very good friends with the Todhunter opera singing sisters, Joan and Susan. Nobody knows what she is doing now but we are pretty sure that she is still in C of S.
Lakey
CarmeloOrchards
Crusader
cat and dolphins
With a cat's normal aversion to water, it is surprising that it would enjoy being on a small boat, off shore with his owners, particularly hanging around the boat's edge where he could easily fall into the ocean. In this case, however, the cat's natural curiosity wins out as he has "discovered" dolphins alongside the boat, something he's never seen before. The cat is fascinated with the dolphins and they with it. They are just as curious and fascinated as the cat.
http://www.slothster.com/2352-Cat-On-Boat-Plays-With-Dolphins.html
With a cat's normal aversion to water, it is surprising that it would enjoy being on a small boat, off shore with his owners, particularly hanging around the boat's edge where he could easily fall into the ocean. In this case, however, the cat's natural curiosity wins out as he has "discovered" dolphins alongside the boat, something he's never seen before. The cat is fascinated with the dolphins and they with it. They are just as curious and fascinated as the cat.
http://www.slothster.com/2352-Cat-On-Boat-Plays-With-Dolphins.html
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I've just been reading Al/Kate Bornstein's thread - or rather the thread about her book - and it got me thinking again. In the book review on that thread it again refers to the uidea that "thetan's have no gender". Is this really true though? It get's acepted as such quite widely, but I wonder.
All of the universe is structured on the Fractal of Be-Do-Have. Dennis Stephens' comments on s postulate always being simultaneously located at both ends of this cycle clarified a lot for me, and from it we can see that the Be side is an outflow -and thus always have an inflow type postuulate attached to it, while the Have side is an inflow and so has an outflow postulate attached to it thjere. For example "I'm cute - Notice me". The Be side has cuteness as an outflow and postulates the inflow of being noticed as a complement. The Other side has the inflow postulate of "(you) notice me" and is complemented by the postulate that it will outflow noticingness.
It looks complex but once you get it it becomes quite simple and so very obvious.
Now it so happens that Male and Female each have such postulates attached to their very nature. Each side has a characteristic pair of postulates (though is fact just one) attached to it vis-a-vis the other. I'm not going to belabour this by spelling it all out - you can do that for yourself.
But it indictes that thetans occupy, or dramatise, or whatever - one of the two sides of the Be-Do-Have cycle, in one way or another. This is inherent in the Goals package.
And so therefore they have a gender. Male thetans and Female thetans. The are free to change from one to the other of course, (to a degree), and they certainly can get stuck in the wrong body type.
I mean just that : Stuck in the wrong body" - that phrase itelf can only have meaning if one accepts that thetans too have a specific gender; otherwise it is meaningless.
Your comments would be welcome.
I've just been reading Al/Kate Bornstein's thread - or rather the thread about her book - and it got me thinking again. In the book review on that thread it again refers to the uidea that "thetan's have no gender". Is this really true though? It get's acepted as such quite widely, but I wonder.
All of the universe is structured on the Fractal of Be-Do-Have. Dennis Stephens' comments on s postulate always being simultaneously located at both ends of this cycle clarified a lot for me, and from it we can see that the Be side is an outflow -and thus always have an inflow type postuulate attached to it, while the Have side is an inflow and so has an outflow postulate attached to it thjere. For example "I'm cute - Notice me". The Be side has cuteness as an outflow and postulates the inflow of being noticed as a complement. The Other side has the inflow postulate of "(you) notice me" and is complemented by the postulate that it will outflow noticingness.
It looks complex but once you get it it becomes quite simple and so very obvious.
Now it so happens that Male and Female each have such postulates attached to their very nature. Each side has a characteristic pair of postulates (though is fact just one) attached to it vis-a-vis the other. I'm not going to belabour this by spelling it all out - you can do that for yourself.
But it indictes that thetans occupy, or dramatise, or whatever - one of the two sides of the Be-Do-Have cycle, in one way or another. This is inherent in the Goals package.
And so therefore they have a gender. Male thetans and Female thetans. The are free to change from one to the other of course, (to a degree), and they certainly can get stuck in the wrong body type.
I mean just that : Stuck in the wrong body" - that phrase itelf can only have meaning if one accepts that thetans too have a specific gender; otherwise it is meaningless.
Your comments would be welcome.
lkwdblds
Crusader
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Good topic Leon! I've thought about this from time to time myself but was never able to take a deep look as you have done. I hope Hats comments on this and would also like to read Roger's take on it as well as Ted's and Carmelo's.
As an auditor and also as a pc, I noticed that most people tend to have one sex or the other predominate in their past life pictures. Even if the past life pictures were not true and were mock ups, this still shows that most beings have a strong bias as to which sex they consider themselves to be. Far from a 50-50 distribution, which might be expected if sex was a random trait, I was seeing a 95-5 split for myself and maybe 85-15 for others. The vast majority of past life pictures have the person being the same sex that he/she is in the current life!
Your comments about "Be", "Do" and "Have" and the various flows and postulates connected with them are very provoking. Old decisions and agreements, way back, seem to be stirred up when those things are brought to mind.
Thetans dramatising or occupying one sex or the other definitely makes sense. Some beings probably prefer one sex to the other but then chose to be the other sex so that they may posses a person of their favored sex; others may prefer one sex and make the opposite choice and take on or dramatise being that sex.
Another motivation might stem from a being disliking a trait of one sex to such an extent that they decide never, or almost never, to live a life as that sex.
This is a big topic and an interesting one!
Lakey
Good topic Leon! I've thought about this from time to time myself but was never able to take a deep look as you have done. I hope Hats comments on this and would also like to read Roger's take on it as well as Ted's and Carmelo's.
As an auditor and also as a pc, I noticed that most people tend to have one sex or the other predominate in their past life pictures. Even if the past life pictures were not true and were mock ups, this still shows that most beings have a strong bias as to which sex they consider themselves to be. Far from a 50-50 distribution, which might be expected if sex was a random trait, I was seeing a 95-5 split for myself and maybe 85-15 for others. The vast majority of past life pictures have the person being the same sex that he/she is in the current life!
Your comments about "Be", "Do" and "Have" and the various flows and postulates connected with them are very provoking. Old decisions and agreements, way back, seem to be stirred up when those things are brought to mind.
Thetans dramatising or occupying one sex or the other definitely makes sense. Some beings probably prefer one sex to the other but then chose to be the other sex so that they may posses a person of their favored sex; others may prefer one sex and make the opposite choice and take on or dramatise being that sex.
Another motivation might stem from a being disliking a trait of one sex to such an extent that they decide never, or almost never, to live a life as that sex.
This is a big topic and an interesting one!
Lakey
Ted
Gold Meritorious Patron
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Where spirit is involved--and where would that not be the case--anything goes. All else is speculation. In session mentally pigeon holing is unnecessary case evaluation. Anything might come out of the pc's mouth or emotional responses. That's why auditors are drilled on TR-0. We don't want them being surprised by anything the pc might bring to view.
Where spirit is involved--and where would that not be the case--anything goes. All else is speculation. In session mentally pigeon holing is unnecessary case evaluation. Anything might come out of the pc's mouth or emotional responses. That's why auditors are drilled on TR-0. We don't want them being surprised by anything the pc might bring to view.
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Another aspect of the 'recall of sex preference' that is often overlooked is that what comes up in session is weighted towards those lifetimes or manifestations which the being has some 'problem' needing address; engram, secondary, serfac, fixed consideration, etc.. Those 'lifetimes' of which a given pc has recall may in all likelihood represent a very tiny per centage of 'actual lifetimes'.
Accordingly, extrapolation of a pattern based on such a tiny & highly skewed as well as subjective sampling of 'available data' is risky & unwarranted. It may well as likely be that those lifetimes in which an individual is most likely to have a persistent 'problem' are those which he identifies as his 'sex preference'; the 'unpreferred sex lifetimes' may well be those which were less likely to result in some sort of 'incident' or 'consideration' which has resulted in a this lifetime 'handling' or 'restimulation'.
As with anything, it boils down to consideration. There are many different ways to parse the available (and highly subjective) data.
Mark A. Baker
Another aspect of the 'recall of sex preference' that is often overlooked is that what comes up in session is weighted towards those lifetimes or manifestations which the being has some 'problem' needing address; engram, secondary, serfac, fixed consideration, etc.. Those 'lifetimes' of which a given pc has recall may in all likelihood represent a very tiny per centage of 'actual lifetimes'.
Accordingly, extrapolation of a pattern based on such a tiny & highly skewed as well as subjective sampling of 'available data' is risky & unwarranted. It may well as likely be that those lifetimes in which an individual is most likely to have a persistent 'problem' are those which he identifies as his 'sex preference'; the 'unpreferred sex lifetimes' may well be those which were less likely to result in some sort of 'incident' or 'consideration' which has resulted in a this lifetime 'handling' or 'restimulation'.
As with anything, it boils down to consideration. There are many different ways to parse the available (and highly subjective) data.
Mark A. Baker
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