The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But
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Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Oh, right! I forgot. When I left Miami I sold my entire Sci-Fi collection (500+) to Becky and Pat Wethington, our Scientology roommates. They were publics, not staff.
Oh, right! I forgot. When I left Miami I sold my entire Sci-Fi collection (500+) to Becky and Pat Wethington, our Scientology roommates. They were publics, not staff.
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Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
probably did...I don't recall right now.
Lately I have been watching lotsa Sci Fi series stuff. Such as Battlestar Galactica, Continuum, and movies too.
probably did...I don't recall right now.
Lately I have been watching lotsa Sci Fi series stuff. Such as Battlestar Galactica, Continuum, and movies too.
Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I haven't yet written out my own experience at AAC. But I did briefly summarize it and fretted over a mole who was in AAC and my failed effort to let AAC know (since I had been thoroughly dead-agented my communications were ignored).
I was reading The Underground Bunker site today and see that this has been well covered. The CoS mole was Bob Mithoff.
http://tonyortega.org/2013/04/13/the-saga-of-david-mayo-scientologys-banished-tech-wizard/
I didn't know this because I was completely out of the loop for years.....And I never contacted David and Julie later because honestly, I feel like a complete a** over the whole incident and I would not know what to say. But regardless, glad I found this article. I had been wondering for decades actually WHO the mole had been. I knew there was one because the CoS handler intimated as much, hinting that they were so far up in AAC as to be 'in control' of the AAC.
I haven't yet written out my own experience at AAC. But I did briefly summarize it and fretted over a mole who was in AAC and my failed effort to let AAC know (since I had been thoroughly dead-agented my communications were ignored).
I was reading The Underground Bunker site today and see that this has been well covered. The CoS mole was Bob Mithoff.
http://tonyortega.org/2013/04/13/the-saga-of-david-mayo-scientologys-banished-tech-wizard/
I didn't know this because I was completely out of the loop for years.....And I never contacted David and Julie later because honestly, I feel like a complete a** over the whole incident and I would not know what to say. But regardless, glad I found this article. I had been wondering for decades actually WHO the mole had been. I knew there was one because the CoS handler intimated as much, hinting that they were so far up in AAC as to be 'in control' of the AAC.
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Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Thanks. I'll write the section of my story on the AAC first before deciding if to do that.
I think the next part I am writing has to do with forming the Venezuela org, then going to AOLA. I'm thinking about how to write the next part.
David is/was a member here. You may possibly be able to send
him a PM. Click forums and then memberships arranged alphabetically.
Thanks. I'll write the section of my story on the AAC first before deciding if to do that.
I think the next part I am writing has to do with forming the Venezuela org, then going to AOLA. I'm thinking about how to write the next part.
Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I could create a special thread for Venezuela somewhere else and skip to AOLA and the OT Levels or I can put it all here. Still thinking. I don't want to tax the thread. There were a couple trips to South America, and AOLA was sandwiched in there with the Sunshine Rundown training. There may be more about my training days but I'll add that out of order whatever I remember.
I could create a special thread for Venezuela somewhere else and skip to AOLA and the OT Levels or I can put it all here. Still thinking. I don't want to tax the thread.
There were a couple trips to South America, and AOLA was sandwiched in there with the Sunshine Rundown training. There may be more about my training days but I'll add that out of order whatever I remember.
Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
I just remember who my handler was from the RTC. Gary Klinger.
David is/was a member here. You may possibly be able to send
him a PM. Click forums and then memberships arranged alphabetically.
I just remember who my handler was from the RTC. Gary Klinger.
lkwdblds
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Interesting about Bob Mithoff. I was a friend of his at CCLA, He was a department head In Division VI and he was responsible to see that the FSM's got paid. FSM's were Field Staff Members who selected people to do new services. I was responsible for writing the actual FSM Checks. Every Thursday, stat day, Bob would show up in Treasury with all his FSM selection forms and he would help me do the physical part of writing the checks and getting them signed .
I really liked Bob and thought he was really a fine person. Later on, my brother left CoS and went to the AAC. He tried to get me to jump ship and join him but there was no way I was going to do that in the early 80's, I was just too loyal to LRH to even consider that as a viable alternative. My brother notice that Bob Mithoff and his wife, Mickey were at the AAC and he started talking to them and knowing that I liked and respected Bob so much, he kept telling me that Bob says hello and wishes I would join them at the AAC.
About a year later the AAC was forced out of business by CoS and for quite a few years I believed that Bob had blown CoS in favor of Mayo's Org. Faast forward to '92 and '93 and I was doing my NOTS at AOLA and spending a lot of time in the AOLA preclear waiting room talking to various Scios who I knew. One day, I was on the AOLA stairway, going down to see a registrar or something and who should be coming up the stairs but Bot Mithoff. We stopped and talked for at least 10 minutes. I told him that I thought he had blown CoS and gone over to the AAC. It was at that moment that he let me know that he was a CoS plant spying on the AAC and had never actually quit CoS.
Lakey
Interesting about Bob Mithoff. I was a friend of his at CCLA, He was a department head In Division VI and he was responsible to see that the FSM's got paid. FSM's were Field Staff Members who selected people to do new services. I was responsible for writing the actual FSM Checks. Every Thursday, stat day, Bob would show up in Treasury with all his FSM selection forms and he would help me do the physical part of writing the checks and getting them signed .
I really liked Bob and thought he was really a fine person. Later on, my brother left CoS and went to the AAC. He tried to get me to jump ship and join him but there was no way I was going to do that in the early 80's, I was just too loyal to LRH to even consider that as a viable alternative. My brother notice that Bob Mithoff and his wife, Mickey were at the AAC and he started talking to them and knowing that I liked and respected Bob so much, he kept telling me that Bob says hello and wishes I would join them at the AAC.
About a year later the AAC was forced out of business by CoS and for quite a few years I believed that Bob had blown CoS in favor of Mayo's Org. Faast forward to '92 and '93 and I was doing my NOTS at AOLA and spending a lot of time in the AOLA preclear waiting room talking to various Scios who I knew. One day, I was on the AOLA stairway, going down to see a registrar or something and who should be coming up the stairs but Bot Mithoff. We stopped and talked for at least 10 minutes. I told him that I thought he had blown CoS and gone over to the AAC. It was at that moment that he let me know that he was a CoS plant spying on the AAC and had never actually quit CoS.
Lakey
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Ugh! Gary Klinger! What a sleezy ratfink creep!
He was on the RPF same time as me, still backstabbing others there, as usual. And I know what's in Gary's folders.... heh heh. But I'm not going to be a jerk here like the active COS Scientologists and say what I saw.
Karen#1 mentioned him in the last year or two, seems he's still in. That figures.
Ugh! Gary Klinger! What a sleezy ratfink creep!
He was on the RPF same time as me, still backstabbing others there, as usual. And I know what's in Gary's folders.... heh heh. But I'm not going to be a jerk here like the active COS Scientologists and say what I saw.Karen#1 mentioned him in the last year or two, seems he's still in. That figures.
Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
It still messes me up a bit to think spying in the same sentence as religion. But until I saw I could not do it that day in Santa Barbara the conflict didn't occur to me. There are good people still in the church who haven't yet had to face crossing their own line in the sand. But something just clicked. I wondered why the FSM mission holder in GA, my link to the AAC, completely blew me off that day when I called him to urgently warn there was a plant high up in AAC. He hung up on me very quickly and would not hear a word. It still seems weird. Now that I know more about Ray from what you wrote I wonder if this same FSM, not knowing Mithoff was still CoS but still having that FSM connection with him would have listened to what Mithoff said to him to dead agent me ahead of that call, the same lies coordinated by Gary Klinger, the RTC handler I mentioned and the one in charge of disrupting AAC and working with Mithoff.
It still messes me up a bit to think spying in the same sentence as religion. But until I saw I could not do it that day in Santa Barbara the conflict didn't occur to me. There are good people still in the church who haven't yet had to face crossing their own line in the sand. But something just clicked. I wondered why the FSM mission holder in GA, my link to the AAC, completely blew me off that day when I called him to urgently warn there was a plant high up in AAC. He hung up on me very quickly and would not hear a word. It still seems weird. Now that I know more about Ray from what you wrote I wonder if this same FSM, not knowing Mithoff was still CoS but still having that FSM connection with him would have listened to what Mithoff said to him to dead agent me ahead of that call, the same lies coordinated by Gary Klinger, the RTC handler I mentioned and the one in charge of disrupting AAC and working with Mithoff.
Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
He was very creepy. When I left Santa Barbara unwilling to spy I knew he was bad news and I was alone in a hotel room with him. I signed his waiver, just to get out of there without incident, even though he gave me no copy so I have no idea now what I signed.
Ugh! Gary Klinger! What a sleezy ratfink creep!
Karen#1 mentioned him in the last year or two, seems he's still in. That figures.
He was very creepy. When I left Santa Barbara unwilling to spy I knew he was bad news and I was alone in a hotel room with him. I signed his waiver, just to get out of there without incident, even though he gave me no copy so I have no idea now what I signed.
lkwdblds
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RIP: Leonard Nimoy
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the passing of Leonard Nimoy, the fine actor at age 83. His role as Mr. Spock on Star Trek is one of those roles which captures a nation's fancy. Even though he was best known for that roll, he was so talented that he was never type cast as Mr. Spock. He could play other roles convincingly without people always identifying him as Spock.
Few actors or actresses have created a roll known by almost anyone of any age. I'm trying to think of some others but I can't think of even one. Maybe Sean Connery playing James Bond might come close.
Anyway, any time a great actor who captured a nations attention the way Leonard Nimoy did, passes on, it saddens that nation. It gives us a sense of our own mortality but we savor and never forget the uncountable times we have been entertained by such a man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ms47YhrqeE
Lakey
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the passing of Leonard Nimoy, the fine actor at age 83. His role as Mr. Spock on Star Trek is one of those roles which captures a nation's fancy. Even though he was best known for that roll, he was so talented that he was never type cast as Mr. Spock. He could play other roles convincingly without people always identifying him as Spock.
Few actors or actresses have created a roll known by almost anyone of any age. I'm trying to think of some others but I can't think of even one. Maybe Sean Connery playing James Bond might come close.
Anyway, any time a great actor who captured a nations attention the way Leonard Nimoy did, passes on, it saddens that nation. It gives us a sense of our own mortality but we savor and never forget the uncountable times we have been entertained by such a man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ms47YhrqeE
Lakey
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Re: RIP: Leonard Nimoy
Lurk Moar.
Uniquemand posted a tribute thread but it has passed or dropped off the board. Check today's post at the top of ESMB.
Lurk Moar.
Uniquemand posted a tribute thread but it has passed or dropped off the board. Check today's post at the top of ESMB.
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Re: RIP: Leonard Nimoy
As FT mentioned, there IS a whole thread on that:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38553-Leonard-Nimoy-Spock-and-Vulcan-philosophy
Maybe you could occasionally look at the rest of the forum.
As FT mentioned, there IS a whole thread on that:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?38553-Leonard-Nimoy-Spock-and-Vulcan-philosophy
Maybe you could occasionally look at the rest of the forum.
Terril park
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
If it were possible to tax this thread it would be taxed. 20,000+
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I could create a special thread for Venezuela somewhere else and skip to AOLA and the OT Levels or I can put it all here. Still thinking. I don't want to tax the thread.
If it were possible to tax this thread it would be taxed. 20,000+
posts. This may be a record for any forum? Alternatively start a new thread
for your posts. Do whatever makes you happy
lkwdblds
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
CO2 and I have conferred on this and we sort of agreed that when we hit two million views, we'll call it quits. About a week ago, it was pretty dead on the thread and I didn't post for 4 days or so and that was going to do it for me but then Mer showed up and then Just Shiela and some others joined in and breathed new life into the thread. There's an awful lot of good stuff on this thread for newbies who have recently left C of S. Also, there is plenty for lurker types who want to find out more about C of S. If I was a public person who knew very little about the subject, I would be very curious as to why a lot of people who were well intended, wanted to help make a better society and who weren't stupid sunk so much of their time, their work and their cash into a group such as C of S. Being one such person, I keep trying to shed light on that subject. I don't see too many others doing this. That may contribute heavily to my portion of the thread.
CO2 is another story, he wasn't taken in for very long by C of S and when they crossed a certain line, he quickly exited. He is a brilliant guy who thinks outside the box but if something inside the box makes sense, he will embrace that tenet as well. He introduced the posting of incredible photgraphs and videos onto the thread and he has a lot of contacts in many diverse fields, particularly in rock music and among celebrities. Many of his views having to do with the art of living a meaningful life are invaluable and his many contacts, his photos, his videos, his inside stories concerning celebrities and other notable people, contributed very heavily to the growth of this thread.
Basically, 2 very different personalities can generate power between themselves in the manner of Laurel and Hardy, Lucy and Desi, Abbot and Costello, etc. IMHO Most of the material on this huge thread is good solid material and has value.
I regularly read many other threads for years and contributed heavily by posting on them. In more recent years, I don't find the value in most of the threads that once existed. Gadfly, who was excellent hasn't posted for a long time, Vinaire, who I found educational and enjoyable has moved on to Facebook. When I posted on other threads, I was either ignored or hated. I am disliked because I like to track the stats of the thread - people go absolutely crazy on this subject. I think it is because C o S put so much emphasis on stats.
My biggest reason for not participating on other threads any longer is because of the personal attacks made if a person states that he got some benefit from some of C of S's processes. I used to say that any bad group, even an evil group does some good things. I cited Nazi Germany as an example and said that they gave us the Volkswagen bug, one of the greatest cars of all time, they built the first freeways, they promoted classical music and then the old cliche', they made the trains and street cars run on time. People hated that example. I said it tongue in cheek but all those examples are true! Of course in Germany, public transportation ALWAYS ran on time, the Nazis were merely continuing an existing tradition, but the other items, such as the VW car, were truly founded by the Nazis.
I don't know what is good about the KKK. It would be real hard to think up any good things which they brought into being. If I had to come up with something, I would say that on Halloween, they would not have to buy a costume, they could just wear their KKK outfits, one could also say that they attend church every week but some others might not consider that a good thing.
Lakey
If it were possible to tax this thread it would be taxed. 20,000+
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CO2 and I have conferred on this and we sort of agreed that when we hit two million views, we'll call it quits. About a week ago, it was pretty dead on the thread and I didn't post for 4 days or so and that was going to do it for me but then Mer showed up and then Just Shiela and some others joined in and breathed new life into the thread. There's an awful lot of good stuff on this thread for newbies who have recently left C of S. Also, there is plenty for lurker types who want to find out more about C of S. If I was a public person who knew very little about the subject, I would be very curious as to why a lot of people who were well intended, wanted to help make a better society and who weren't stupid sunk so much of their time, their work and their cash into a group such as C of S. Being one such person, I keep trying to shed light on that subject. I don't see too many others doing this. That may contribute heavily to my portion of the thread.
CO2 is another story, he wasn't taken in for very long by C of S and when they crossed a certain line, he quickly exited. He is a brilliant guy who thinks outside the box but if something inside the box makes sense, he will embrace that tenet as well. He introduced the posting of incredible photgraphs and videos onto the thread and he has a lot of contacts in many diverse fields, particularly in rock music and among celebrities. Many of his views having to do with the art of living a meaningful life are invaluable and his many contacts, his photos, his videos, his inside stories concerning celebrities and other notable people, contributed very heavily to the growth of this thread.
Basically, 2 very different personalities can generate power between themselves in the manner of Laurel and Hardy, Lucy and Desi, Abbot and Costello, etc. IMHO Most of the material on this huge thread is good solid material and has value.
I regularly read many other threads for years and contributed heavily by posting on them. In more recent years, I don't find the value in most of the threads that once existed. Gadfly, who was excellent hasn't posted for a long time, Vinaire, who I found educational and enjoyable has moved on to Facebook. When I posted on other threads, I was either ignored or hated. I am disliked because I like to track the stats of the thread - people go absolutely crazy on this subject. I think it is because C o S put so much emphasis on stats.
My biggest reason for not participating on other threads any longer is because of the personal attacks made if a person states that he got some benefit from some of C of S's processes. I used to say that any bad group, even an evil group does some good things. I cited Nazi Germany as an example and said that they gave us the Volkswagen bug, one of the greatest cars of all time, they built the first freeways, they promoted classical music and then the old cliche', they made the trains and street cars run on time. People hated that example. I said it tongue in cheek but all those examples are true! Of course in Germany, public transportation ALWAYS ran on time, the Nazis were merely continuing an existing tradition, but the other items, such as the VW car, were truly founded by the Nazis.
I don't know what is good about the KKK. It would be real hard to think up any good things which they brought into being. If I had to come up with something, I would say that on Halloween, they would not have to buy a costume, they could just wear their KKK outfits, one could also say that they attend church every week but some others might not consider that a good thing.
Lakey
Maria Cuervo
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
This is the best thread I have seen on esmb, glad it is tax-free.
If it were possible to tax this thread it would be taxed. 20,000+
posts. This may be a record for any forum? Alternatively start a new thread
for your posts. Do whatever makes you happy
This is the best thread I have seen on esmb, glad it is tax-free.
Terril park
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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973
Look forward to reading more from you, specially about AAC.
Don't recall many have posted about that although I know quite a
few who were there but I never thought to ask them much about those times. Beautiful new avatar!
This is the best thread I have seen on esmb, glad it is tax-free.
Look forward to reading more from you, specially about AAC.
Don't recall many have posted about that although I know quite a
few who were there but I never thought to ask them much about those times. Beautiful new avatar!
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