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SPsince83

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

I am so sorry but I avoid boys that expect things as if I was a McDonald's menu. No offense to anyone. It has nothing to do with all those weird labels about morality or whatever. i just find it boring and I never go to McDonald's. I don't like those sorts of attitudes for myself and I am not attracted to pure physical sorts of things. It's a turn off so if it turned the other person off that I was turned off by their McDonalds view, why do I care, since I am probably not attracted to them, wouldn't of even ended up in the back seat, since we have different sort of attractions = zero attraction. And I am not discounting those things either. Just not my area. Not me.

As an old insane lady once said (a real one so this is documentary) "I don't have time to marry you right now." I won't explain what it means but basically, that is the gist.

It was never about expectations for me, unless it was a longer term encounter. No was never a preventer of friendship for me with a girl. But Giz is right about girls and boys liking each other, especially in that first hormone flush. Testosterone and Estrogen are the most powerful mood altering substances in the world. When both agree, it's fun. When one doesn't, no means no. Period.
 

Gizmo

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

I had a VW Jetta in the 2000s. It was very nice, a stick. Then they came out with this other weird sort of non-manual stick which really turned me off when I had the next model. They still make nice cars and I'd drive one if it had manual transmission. My current SAAB is old, 98, so I have no idea if manual transmissions are even being made or by who.

Contrary to what some people might have you believe, standard shift is still available.

Oddly, one of the things that has made automatics so popular is in town stop & go freeway traffic.
Rowing a stick gets so tiresome particularly as we get older !

Even more strangely is back when school evacuations were done for ' Nuclear Event ' exercises & the parents had to haul off car loads of kids. Well, those massive traffic jams caused many of the automatics of the day to give up the ghost.

Reliability has so increased that the automatic not only is effortless to drive it has become very dependable in heavy stop & go traffic.
 

strativarius

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

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Jerson? Is that what they call him? He's a fat pompous elitist pratt who aught to act his age but who's got his tongue too far up David Cameron's ass to notice.

His boring formulaic TV program sucked and I'm glad it's been taken off the air so my TV license money doesn't have to fund any more of his tiresome crap.
So opposite to my view.<snip>

You have no idea how happy I am to hear that Terril.
 

lkwdblds

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

Yeah, even the small Volkswagens were always very well made. Over here we had the Morris 1000 which I suppose was its British equivalent and still has quite a following;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-31769707

Do you know, Cat's Squirrel, that at the end of WWII, the VW factory in Wolfsburg was in the British zone of operation. The British could have decided to operate the factory but the factory lied in ruins. In actual fact, the factory worker's in conjunction with the British Army volunteered to repair the factory and start up production. The key to being able to repair the factory was that before any major bombing raid, the VW plant workers routinely disconnected a lot of big machinery in the plant and stored it out of the way in the nearby forest. After the war, these workers new where the machinery was stored and were able to bring a lot of it, undamaged back into the factory. They then started building VW Beetles. The Beetles were for the use of the British Officers. In this manner the German workers along with the British officers assigned to the factory were able to get a small flow of new VW's coming off of the assembly line.

In the first year after the war, the VW factory assembled 10,000 VW vehicles. I don't remember where they went other than to British Officers but most of them went somewhere else.

Britain did an evaluation of the factory and though the car was popular with the officers and the locals in Wolfsburg, Lord Rootes of Rootes Motors in England was called upon to make the final determination. He wrote an official document which I believe has been saved for posterity. His bottom line was that he didn't want the Beetle built because it would complete with his line of British automobiles so he wrote a scathing report stating that the VW was too small, too under powered, too German and too highly associated with Hitler and the Nazi's. In no uncertain terms he urged the British government not to get involved with the VW.

The Brits then offered the factory the the Americans and they took it over. For a while, they were stuck at 10,000 units a year but that was not sustainable because of a shortage of raw materials. The American's then offered the car and the factory to Ford Motor Co. Henry Ford the third was in charge. He had his second in command, Ernie Breech (or something like that) evaluate the car. He stated to Ford that "What we are being offered is not worth a damn!!" Henry Ford III turned the offer down. About that time, in 1949, the country of West Germany was formed. Wanting desperately to rebuild and provide work for the German peoplle, the West German government put a man in control, a genius of sorts it turned out, named Dr. Heinz Nordhoff.

Nordhoff moved into the factory and would not accept any house which he was offered to live in. He lived 24/7 within the walls of the factory. He called a meeting of all workers and laid everything on the line. He told them that the odds were against them but if they worked hard enough they would succeed. He demanded total sacrifice to the company but if they did well he promised that they would be well rewarded and within a few years the employees were very well rewarded. Morale in the factory was out the roof.. He said that the VW was an exceptional car, a true people's car and if they could get it into high production people would start thinking of the VW when they thought about Germany instead of thinking of the Mazi's. The West German Government gave VW high priority and lots of financial support. Almost from the beginning, production started multiplying and the quality of the cars was first rate. I believe that in 1950 the production reached 100,000 in one year. A few years later it hit 1 million a year and just continued to grow with just one model, the Bug. I read a book on this subject called, VW, a Small Wonder or something similar to that, maybe just "A Small Wonder, the story of Volkswagen" It was an amazing story to read about. I read it about 1969-70.
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Cat's Squirrel

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

:biggrin: I just love the way this thread weaves between subjects, almost no two consecutive posts talking about the same thing :)

I am so sorry but I avoid boys that expect things as if I was a McDonald's menu. No offense to anyone. It has nothing to do with all those weird labels about morality or whatever. i just find it boring and I never go to McDonald's. I don't like those sorts of attitudes for myself and I am not attracted to pure physical sorts of things. It's a turn off so if it turned the other person off that I was turned off by their McDonalds view, why do I care, since I am probably not attracted to them, wouldn't of even ended up in the back seat, since we have different sort of attractions = zero attraction. And I am not discounting those things either. Just not my area. Not me.

As an old insane lady once said (a real one so this is documentary) "I don't have time to marry you right now." I won't explain what it means but basically, that is the gist.

I get what you're saying about sex being reduced to a MacDonald's menu for some people and also agree with Giz and SP that "no means no", but I think it's worth pointing out that until fairly recently women weren't supposed or allowed to explore their sexuality in any way at all - they were supposed to just lie back and think of England (or America ), and even that only when they were married. At least now they can choose whether or not sex is to be on the menu (as it were), and for the most part without being judged for their choice. I think that's a big step forward.
 
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Maria Cuervo

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

Which model of Saab is that Maria? Saabs were part of GM for a while and the model range changed from 900 and 9000 to 9-3 and 9-5, and at about that time (1998).

They were sold off when GM downsized and basically disappeared for a while, although I believe they're back now with new owners. One thing I liked about Saabs was that their safety provision was always very high - the car's air vents even filtered out pollen.

900 Turbo. It's actually quite pristine but now has an issue.

Last year I drove it through a flood. It didn't catch on fire the way new cars do. LOL. But it had a problem starting and would stall at every stop. I took it in and they had to lock down something on the timing. It's still locked. The SAAB expert here doesn't know what to make of it. I wish I could get that fixed. I know it will cost near 1G but I want it fixed. But they don't know how. So it is locked at a certain idle level for now until we can figure out what the heck needs doing.

It needs the AC fixed and I don't have AC. And the body could be repainted to make it perfect (that tomato red saab color would make me happy or a green). (I am budgeting.) I am a SAAB lover and don't plan to go to another car for any reason!) Other than that it is lovely.
 

Maria Cuervo

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

Contrary to what some people might have you believe, standard shift is still available.

Oddly, one of the things that has made automatics so popular is in town stop & go freeway traffic.
Rowing a stick gets so tiresome particularly as we get older !

Even more strangely is back when school evacuations were done for ' Nuclear Event ' exercises & the parents had to haul off car loads of kids. Well, those massive traffic jams caused many of the automatics of the day to give up the ghost.

Reliability has so increased that the automatic not only is effortless to drive it has become very dependable in heavy stop & go traffic.

I can see how in traffic in CA city traffic rowing a stick would be awful....but where I am that never happens. And I do love the stick and really prefer it in so many ways. I guess I don't care about reliability. I just like my stick. I will stick with it I think unless really compelled to do otherwise by some other awesomeness lovely feature.
 

SPsince83

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

Contrary to what some people might have you believe, standard shift is still available.

Oddly, one of the things that has made automatics so popular is in town stop & go freeway traffic.
Rowing a stick gets so tiresome particularly as we get older !

Even more strangely is back when school evacuations were done for ' Nuclear Event ' exercises & the parents had to haul off car loads of kids. Well, those massive traffic jams caused many of the automatics of the day to give up the ghost.

Reliability has so increased that the automatic not only is effortless to drive it has become very dependable in heavy stop & go traffic.

Driving a stick is like riding a bicycle. You never forget how and any rustiness vanishes quickly. I can drive anything but boy, give me an automatic in traffic.
 

Gizmo

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BEER TIME !

Has come that time of day to go have a beer.

No more posting tonight for me as I have seen drunk posting litter these hallowed grounds.

Be Kind, Be Loving, Be However you Wish !
 

Maria Cuervo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

:biggrin: I just love the way this thread weaves between subjects, almost no two consecutive posts talking about the same thing :)



I get what you're saying about sex being reduced to a MacDonald's menu for some people and also agree with Giz and SP that "no means no", but I think it's worth pointing out that until fairly recently women weren't supposed or allowed to explore their sexuality in any way at all - they were supposed to just lie back and think of England (or America ), and even that only when they were married. At least now they can choose whether or not sex is to be on the menu (as it were), and for the most part without being judged for their choice. I think that's a big step forward.

Well you get 10 points for that Think of England remark!! Thank you. (I never knew about that until the 2000s, weird concept.)

I'd say more but then I would not be me. Morality for me is not at all even on the radar. F#!k all that.

:flowers:
 

SPsince83

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

900 Turbo. It's actually quite pristine but now has an issue.

Last year I drove it through a flood. It didn't catch on fire the way new cars do. LOL. But it had a problem starting and would stall at every stop. I took it in and they had to lock down something on the timing. It's still locked. The SAAB expert here doesn't know what to make of it. I wish I could get that fixed. I know it will cost near 1G but I want it fixed. But they don't know how. So it is locked at a certain idle level for now until we can figure out what the heck needs doing.

It needs the AC fixed and I don't have AC. And the body could be repainted to make it perfect (that tomato red saab color would make me happy or a green). (I am budgeting.) I am a SAAB lover and don't plan to go to another car for any reason!) Other than that it is lovely.

900 Turbos were nice.
 

Gizmo

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Re: The old days - Aboard the Apollo - 1973

:biggrin: I just love the way this thread weaves between subjects, almost no two consecutive posts talking about the same thing :)



I get what you're saying about sex being reduced to a MacDonald's menu for some people and also agree with Giz and SP that "no means no", but I think it's worth pointing out that until fairly recently women weren't supposed or allowed to explore their sexuality in any way at all - they were supposed to just lie back and think of England (or America ), and even that only when they were married. At least now they can choose whether or not sex is to be on the menu (as it were), and for the most part without being judged for their choice. I think that's a big step forward.

OK. I was going to go BUT.............

My experience with women has been so different. Even in High School my sweetheart was open about what she needed and wanted sexually.

And I find most every woman I have ever gotten involved with was open sexually with me. The ones that were uptight I didn't stay with.

It, with me, has never been a "what's on the menu" kind of thing. For me, I feel my role is first & foremost bring a woman the pleasure she desires & is willing to experience.
Isn't that simple ? I try my best to give her what she indicates she wants.

Oh " indicates" ? Yes. By body language, my touch, by vocalization - all. As much as I deeply dislike old cult terms, making love is like accessing a list in that you go with what reads the most & leave the non-indicating alone!

I hardly find that a menu ! I start thinking. OK. I'll go A B C D E & find out she is leading me to A Q M C B X - oh HELL yes I go with what SHE wants !
Maybe I'm dumb, but, it seems to work just fine - if that is McDonalds then I LIVE at McDonalds !

Then what about me ? Oh. Well when I am focused in bringing my lady pleasure it turns out I end up with 10 X the pleasure I ever knew a man could possibly have.

Do I keep - LOL ! - stats ? Only if ever time at the end of loving making - as I do - that I consider that the most fantastic love making ever !

The magic ? You guessed it : communication between lovers !

I hereby attest I wrote the above before I had anything to drink.

I do strongly suggest staying drunk or high ( or both ) on love !
 

lkwdblds

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

I had a VW Jetta in the 2000s. It was very nice, a stick. Then they came out with this other weird sort of non-manual stick which really turned me off when I had the next model. They still make nice cars and I'd drive one if it had manual transmission. My current SAAB is old, 98, so I have no idea if manual transmissions are even being made or by who.

My son took me with him to buy a new care in late 2013. He was looking at 2014 models. First we went to ford and looked at the Focus. This was a huge Ford Dealer in Huntington Beach, CA. My son insisted on a stick. They only had 2 new stick shift cars on their own lot. The Focus was OK but we decided to check out the VW. About 1 mile down the road was the VW dealer. We looked at 2014 VW Golf, they only had two new sticks on the entire lot, with one exception which I will discuss in a minute.

That had a white VW Golf with stick and a black one. My son chose the white one. The prices were the same.

Okay here is the deal on stick shift cars. In the VW line, they do have a high performance sports model called the GTI. It has a larger engine and is turbocharged. Because it is sportty they offer a lot of them with stick shifts. The GTSI model cost $7l to $10 k more than a regular Golf. My son was taking the bar in about a year so he only wanted this car for 2 to 3 years at which time he would be an attorney and then could upgrade to a more expensive car.

Now, Maria, due to improvements in automatic shifts, as I explained yesterday, a stick shift car is very rare on a new car lot EXCEPT for their sports models! In their high performance souped up models , stick shifts are still readily available. There is some further info which you need to know.

First, if you have your heart set on a stick shift, for all brands there is the option to order one from the factory. The problem there is time. Your car may take months to arrive and often car buying is impulsive so few people will wait for months. Second, the dealers are all linked via computers. Say you want a VW with stick shift and the place you are at does not have one in stock that you like. The car salesman can go to his desk computer and quickly do a search for stick at other local dealership in his area. Usually this will turn up more options. If one is available locally, you can buy it at your dealership and maybe they will drive you to the other dealership to pick it up but certainly you will get your car very quickly.

The third and last option is to look into a late model used car. Sticks were common through 2011 or 2012. A big breakthrough in automatic shift tech occurred at that time and starting around 2012 or 2013 it was hard to buy a stick. I am pretty sure that you can look at used 2011 or 2012 models and there will be many stick shifts to chose from.
Lakey
 

Maria Cuervo

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900 Turbos were nice.

The body actually is in ok sort of shape. No major things. Just overall a paint job would make it zing back to orignal. I'd only choose a canonical saab color though. So it would be more expensive, as through a SAAB shop or their affiliate. I have a girlfriend who has repeatedly told me that this car is high maintenance, whatever. She has a Lexus and I find that boring to no end!

She has no idea of who I am. LOLOL. I like my old SAAB and if I could get her to collector level I would. The inside is nice. All the black leather is perfect. I really don't even care about what new cars are like inside. I like my SAAB. I can see having a second car but I don't see why not to have the old SAAB. It has a beautiful design.....
 

Maria Cuervo

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Re: Another - our experiences differed.

My son took me with him to buy a new care in late 2013. He was looking at 2014 models. First we went to ford and looked at the Focus. This was a huge Ford Dealer in Huntington Beach, CA. My son insisted on a stick. They only had 2 new stick shift cars on their own lot. The Focus was OK but we decided to check out the VW. About 1 mile down the road was the VW dealer. We looked at 2014 VW Golf, they only had two new sticks on the entire lot, with one exception which I will discuss in a minute.

That had a white VW Golf with stick and a black one. My son chose the white one. The prices were the same.

Okay here is the deal on stick shift cars. In the VW line, they do have a high performance sports model called the GTI. It has a larger engine and is turbocharged. Because it is sportty they offer a lot of them with stick shifts. The GTSI model cost $7l to $10 k more than a regular Golf. My son was taking the bar in about a year so he only wanted this car for 2 to 3 years at which time he would be an attorney and then could upgrade to a more expensive car.

Now, Maria, due to improvements in automatic shifts, as I explained yesterday, a stick shift car is very rare on a new car lot EXCEPT for their sports models! In their high performance souped up models , stick shifts are still readily available. There is some further info which you need to know.

First, if you have your heart set on a stick shift, for all brands there is the option to order one from the factory. The problem there is time. Your car may take months to arrive and often car buying is impulsive so few people will wait for months. Second, the dealers are all linked via computers. Say you want a VW with stick shift and the place you are at does not have one in stock that you like. The car salesman can go to his desk computer and quickly do a search for stick at other local dealership in his area. Usually this will turn up more options. If one is available locally, you can buy it at your dealership and maybe they will drive you to the other dealership to pick it up but certainly you will get your car very quickly.

The third and last option is to look into a late model used car. Sticks were common through 2011 or 2012. A big breakthrough in automatic shift tech occurred at that time and starting around 2012 or 2013 it was hard to buy a stick. I am pretty sure that you can look at used 2011 or 2012 models and there will be many stick shifts to chose from.
Lakey

Of course it costs more. Because anything that is at all old or unique or even passing away in terms of manufacture is going to cost more. The same way as antiques. I have no use really for anything new, in furniture, in cars. I do agree if I could afford to, to have the best newest kitchen since I like to cook. And the most fancy cabinetry if I could. Beyond that, give me everything from before and throw away a lot of that modern BS whatever. It sucks and they know it.
 

SPsince83

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Of course it costs more. Because anything that is at all old or unique or even passing away in terms of manufacture is going to cost more. The same way as antiques. I have no use really for anything new, in furniture, in cars. I do agree if I could afford to, to have the best newest kitchen since I like to cook. And the most fancy cabinetry if I could. Beyond that, give me everything from before and throw away a lot of that modern BS whatever. It sucks and they know it.

Knives, complete set of cast iron, stainless stockpot, hand tools, assorted pads and trivets and a gas range. How much more modern do you need? Fridge and freezer I suppose. The toys are nice but I'll stick with sharp knives and cast iron.:yes:
 

Gizmo

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Stick shift

Please do not buy the malarkey that stick shift is not available because that is just not true

Well, it is true in Rolls Royce & Bentley. Most likely a Lexus or Range Rover would be tough find in stick.

Regular cars like Ford, Honda,. Toyota make stick shifts for a reason - there is a market. Not plentiful but available.

Rather than chat board posts just check your local dealer's inventory with a mouse click - let the facts be the facts & the BS slide.


PS - The way dealer trades are done is a person from the dealership takes a car over ( the trade part of dealer trade ) drops it off & gets the car to be brought back.
Most every dealer in the world wants to at least look over a car before it is delivered & - big deal - all the paperwork is at their dealership to be signed on their premises.
 
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