Extremely Important Post!
Lakey,
one thing I have observed is that we quickly forget how painful the charge was, once it is handled and gone. I have deliberately made a few copies of conditions in order to never forget the immense positive changes that auditing has provided to me.
Like the sharp terrible sadness in which I was sitting before I ran the separation from static in my first chain of ARC-breaks. Or the deep feeling of guilt I kept having before I as-ised my role in the OT3 scenario. Or the embarrassment I used to perceive, without understanding it, while I had a "tractor beam" pulling at people running on automatic without knowing what I was doing.
Or the massy feeling in my body before NOTs. Or the "hooked" beam that was used on me by a guy who had a habit of letting women work for him, and that I dissolved by using a piece of L12 in a solo session. Or the 40 years of pain before my most recent auditing first revealed and then removed its roots in my last life.
I also made a copy of the engram I ran remotely with NOTs, which brought my child son's high fever down within an hour. And another one of the remarkable incident I ran of a tiny little plant that was starving in a drought, whose image had blown up to full body size, attached itself to my spine, and caused me to stand and walk bent forward with a feeling of collapsing for over 40 years of this life.
No hoax could have handled these things. When they were gone, I had to re-create them and specifically commit them to memory, in order to be certain that I would not start to believe the tech to be invalid, simply because all these things had gone without leaving any traces. It's sooooo easy to forget!
I am now auditing a Class VIII auditor who used to crack cases at Flag left and right. With so much of LRH tech having gone out of use and wrongly set priorities in C/Sing, they never cracked his own case. It's a shame - the most productive and brilliant people got so neglected.
But the tech is still there. It just needs to be APPLIED. We are piloting a version of auditing on the phone that takes the barriers of plane tickets and the need for weeks of vacation out of the picture. We just put on the headphones, start Skype and say "This is the session". It can be done, it IS being done - the tech is for use!
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Extremely important post Heidrun!!! Before discussing it, let's get the birthday thing out of the way. Well, we are soul mates, both born on Dec. 5th. It seems to be a rare day for famous people to be born. Every year in the newspaper, they run the famous people born on the day of the paper is published. The only really famous Celeb born on Dec 5th seems to be Walt Disney. There is a relatively obscure U.S. President name Martin van Buren also born on that date and that is about it. Further down on the thread Zinjifar, making a rare appearance here, says that in a room of 50 people, the chances are over 50% that at least two people will have the same birthday. Puzzle math is one of my strongest suits and I am familiar with Zinj's puzzle problem and of course he is correct. I have never randomly met anyone born on my birthday before, despite the high odds that one will in a long lifetime.
I just Googled Dec 5th and found a few more people, General George Armstrong Custer of "Custer's Last Stand" fame. The singer Jim Messina from "Logins and Messina", Movie Directors Otto Preminger and Fritz Lang of Germany (Directed Marlene Dietrich in Blue Angel around 1930" and the U.S. politician Strom Thurmond, a Senator who died in 2003 at 100 years old.
As to Heidrun's main point, I think at least 1/3 of ESMB board members believe LRH tech is a complete scam. A lot of these people are rabble rousers who just bash using vile toilet humor but there are some such as Zinjifar, correct me if I am wrong, who do not think much of any of LRH's tech and they present their arguments sincerely and logically and they are willing to take on all comers.
Thank God, the rabble rousers are not attracted to this thread. We have not had any of them post here yet after over sevem hundred replies! The serious, logical ones who deny LRH tech has any validity, surprisinly have not posted here either. Heidrun, you make the strongest argument for the validity of LRH tech that I have read so far! Well done for keeping your records!
I know that I have been helped through having LRH tech applied to me! Even a person such as me has had their certainty shaken by some of the excellent arguments I have heard from serious people from the opposite camp to Heidren's camp. It is from Class VIII types such as you, and Diana, Class VIII and other people with good backgrounds as auditors and tech people in the Church such as Dart, Roger B., Carmelo and Purple Haze that I have kept my perspective alive that much of LRH tech can work if only it is applied accurately and with care.
TYPICAL COUNTER EXAMPLE: Dr Arlo Gordin, a well known Scientology Chiropractor our family was seeing in the early 80's recommended us to Valentine Chiropractic, non Scientologists, in Orange County when we moved to Orange County in 1984.
My cousin and his wife had a Daughter about 6 or 7 with a chronic neck or back problem that was ruining her life and my cousin's wife tried everything with no success. We recommended Valentine Chiropractic and within 4 treatments the problem was resolved. We asked the cousin and his wife how it was going down at Valentine's and they were only lukewarm and not raves. We saw them about 2 months later and asked if the Valentine success was continuing and they said, "Oh no, we pulled her out of there and are trying something else now." I was shocked and asked how could you take her out of Valentine's if they resolved her problem and they said, "Our family Specialist strongly advised us against Chiropractic and said it was a scam" Incredulously. I said, "but Valentine got rid of her problem, how could you discontinue their treatment?" and they said, "Oh, the specialist told us that these problems were cyclical and often show a relapse for a short time and then came back even stronger. The specialist stated that Valentine just got involved at the right moment when it made it look like their quackery was working but told us we must get her out of there or they would now make matters much worse. These cousins were well educated people but they could not see the forest through the trees. A very similar thing happened at the very same time with a neigborhood boy of about 6 who was a school mate to my Son. We recommended Valentine, they went, the Son was immediately handled with great success, they pulled him out because their Specialist cautioned them that chiropractors were not doctors and would ultimately cause irreversible harm. This is the way many people percieve things. They have opinion leaders who they believe are infallable.
Their opinion leaders devise AD HOC proofs to debunk non orthodox treatments whch ARE effective for their non effective Orthodxy.
If you don't know what AD HOC means, Google it, it is quite fascinating in concept and heavily used on planet Earth!!!
DOUBLE BLIND TESTS WITH PLACEBOS - Heidrun, the university educated detractors of Scientology consider stories such as I told above as anectdotal and demand Double Blind tests from Scientology using placebos. They think that Scientology itself is a placebo and that one pays a lot of money as is assured by a large group of people whom they like and respect that certain results will be attained. They claim that the gains obtained such as the ones which you have recorded are all anectdotal and they demand Double Blind Testing where one group gets placebos such as sugar pills while another trial group would get Scientology auditing. Years have to go by with the results being tabulated by the medical community and certified medical specialists have to publish their research results in recognized journals. Only then would Scientology truly be proved to work. They are willing to take you on, so just be forewarned, if you pursue your beliefs on ESMG, many will fight them, some respectfully and with logic and sum degrader types with rants and foul language. Be prepared!
Lakey
Birthday twins! Pretty cool.
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You take any advantage and benefit you can find, win with it, and trash the rubbish and the fraudulent. So he was a con-job . . . and life is unfair . . . so what?!? Are you into winning, or not? Can you win, or not? That is the issue.
