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Blue Spirit

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Lakey, it's so good to have you back, you are needed here! I find it amazing that we are going to hit 50,000 views, and on Easter no less! Very well done, all posters, readers and lurkers! :D

Lakey, I will give you a call tonight regarding our spring project. :) And I can't believe I am approaching 2,000 posts !?! That seems like a lot of words and time spent, hopefully wisely...

I must choose a great way to celebrate reaching that milestone, any good ideas, everybody?

Hey, I wanted post # 2000 ! :lol:
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
Sorry Marcus, I was not aware of your history.....

Marcus, had I been aware of your tragic family history, I would not have answered your post the way I did. I had read part of your story months ago but did not realize that you were that person. With your family decimated by the C of S, of course, one must put oneself in your shoes before attempting to respond to you and I did not do that. I apologize to you if my post seems argumentative.

Even so, I did agree with your premise except as to time amd I am happy about that! I hope you can find some solace and some answers in my personal story of my 31 + years as a Scientologist. My Celebrity Centre story is better written than my Apollo story in my opinion, because I had been on ESMB 8 months when I wrote it and was a newbie when I wrote my Apollo story. Also, I knew the lines much better at CCLA and had many more friends than on the Apollo. I would be interested to know if anything in my stories was able to help you sort out any of your issues or give you added incites about C of S. That was my main motivation in writing the stories. I have learned from others and want to keep the chain going and have others profit from my experiences.

I have a great interest in Germany, the history, the language, the music and the cuture and was just there in Frankfurt and Berlin last June. If there is anyway whatsoever in which I can be of help to you please PM me. If you do not take me up on that invitation, I will not be offended. I hope with all my heart that you continue to find the strength to sort out your personal situation which the C of S caused you to have and to bring those responsible for the deaths in your family to justice. Whatever God means to you, may God be with you in your quest.
Lakey
 

Blue Spirit

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I'm Behind You

Yes Blue Spirit talk. I have no problem if you do. I have a different belief than you have. I do not believe in Hubbards Auditing because it did not work for any person I knew. at least I could not see any improvement in anybody i know. But I believe that I managed to get in contact with my brother without your help and I'm quite sure that I'm doing exactly that what my brother and by the way my mother would have asked me to do if they would still be alive. It was very nice of you to offer the help but it is crazy that you think that I did something wrong in rejecting it. I have my belief, you have yours.
You have to accept this. I am collecting facts about the church of Scientology since the death of my brother and what I find is alarming.
Are you god or something similar? I don't think so. The church of Scientology harmed my family in a criminal and mean way. I'm not talking only about myself, but about my mother, my sister and Uwe. I'm fighting against it because of this but I think I do it in a quite fair and decent way.

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Markus

Markus, I'd like nothing better than for you to win a huge major lawsuit

against the bastards. It would be well deserved, and I'm on your side.

I'm having major problems with them even now, myself.

The "Church" stole my money, power, trust, and faith and does not give a

good god damn, including one in the Freezone.

It was supposed to help spiritually, but for me it went (usually) the other way.

(There were good times, though, in the seventies before your time.)

I'm also more than aware of Hubbard's unethical, insane side, in detail.

Thank you for sticking with this situation.
 
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WHAT CONSTITUES A THREAD DYING?

What constitues a thread dying out is pretty much an objective truth. People just stop reading it and replying to it. The originator may try a couple more angles to stimulate discussion or just let it die out. Sometimes efforts to extend the thread fail and the thread just dies out due to no further participation.

Now, there can be another type of thread die out. The thread is still going strong with a lot of posts and dialogues but a particular person just doesn't care for the posts, the types of topics being taken up or perhaps the people doing most of the posting and the individual makes a decision for themselves that the post is dead. They simply stop reading it and for them it is dead. Now, the thread may be dead for that person but the thread is still going on for others. That is about all there is to say on the matter.

We are about to hit 50,000 views in just an hour or two! I am excited about that. It is a real achievment. Just last Sunday, when I quit posting for a week, we were at about 46,500 so we got 3500 posts this week, averaging 500 a day instead of the 2300 per week which has been our average since December. Stats may remind people of stressful situations during their Org days on staff but here, it is just something to do for fun, just see how high you can get your stat. If it goes down, there are no conditions or penaltties, no heads are put on a pike but if the stats rise, it is an indication that you are doing something right to generate all the interest which you getting.
Lakey


As Yogi Berra said about a restaurant in New York, "Nobody goes there anymore; it's too popular"
 
So in real life you would not report a thief or a murderer to the police?
And let me say something to the things you said about other harmful systems which were more violent than the CoS. Telling me this is like telling victims of the Stasi in the GDR that they should stop complaining because Nazi Germany was even worse. What a nonsense.

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Markus

Dude,

What I am saying is, "Lighten up."

Look at the marvelous success of Anonymous. They take to the mauling of the Co$ like I take to a snow slope. They are enjoying themselves and winning big.

There is a lesson there for all of us.

Don't take yourself so seriously.

I walk with my dog every night, and if I see a crime taking place or having taken place, I phone the cops.

I'm not saying "Don't call the cops."

I'm saying that it is easier to win if you take a few steps back and view the big picture. Don't just look at what they did to you. Look for their weak points.

Read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu

What I'm getting at is that you are in a personal pissing match. Take a step back, and see the whole picture, find their weaknesses, hit them there. AND enjoy the game.

Jackie Stewart, who used to drive race cars, once commented that he could see the faces of all the spectators as he drove by at 180 Miles Per Hour. He could tell who was with him and who opposed him. This is called being exterior to the immediate game, while playing it better than the others.

To beat the monolithic monster, you need to not play by their rules.


You could find any number of individuals who have stabbed the Co$ in many unique and hamful ways. For the most part, they go unsung, because most choose guerrilla warfare over face to face mano a mano confrontation. The Co$, because of its late holy leader's advice letters and policy only knows how to fight when they have identified an opponent. Why give them an opponent?

The Co$ caused a former business partner of mine to commit suicide. It broke up a marriage of a family member. It has enslaved a number of friends and their children. I am as deadly earnest as you in wanting to take it down. Our methods and strategies differ.

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The Co$ will not be destroyed until all who have swallowed the Kool Aid become free, and Know what to look out for the next time a con man rolls into town.


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Baja 7.2

Did anyone feel the shake?

7.2 magnitude quake in Baja California shakes Los Angeles


Associated Press
Posted: 04/04/2010 04:01:32 PM PDT
Updated: 04/04/2010 08:02:04 PM PDT

Minor damage has been reported in Mexico's northern Baja California after a magnitude-7.2 earthquake that was felt in Southern California, Arizona and Nevada.
The largest earthquake in the region in nearly 18 years struck at 3:40 p.m. Sunday more than 100 miles southeast of San Diego.
Tijuana Fire Chief Rafael Carillo says firefighters were rescuing people trapped in a hotel elevator. He says firefighters so far are receiving reports of only minor damage.
Near the epicenter, receptionist Juan Carlos Fernandez says there was minor damage at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Mexicali. The damage includes broken pipes and windows.
More than 5,000 Southern California Edison customers were affected, mostly with 30 seconds of flickering lights.
A strong earthquake south of the U.S.-Mexico border Sunday swayed high-rises in downtown Los Angeles and San Diego and was felt across Southern California and Arizona, knocking out power and breaking pipes in some areas but causing no major damage.
The was initially reported as a magnitude-6.9 quake. The updated magnitude was still an estimate, according to USGS seismologist Lucy Jones.
The area was hit by magnitude-3.0 quakes all week.
"It's been quite a while since we've had an earthquake this large," Jones said. "The last time we had an earthquake this large in either Baja or California was in 1992 with the Landers Earthquake, which was 7.3."
The USGS reported three strong aftershocks within the hour, including a magnitude-5.1 jolt in the Imperial County desert east of San Diego. Magnitude-4.5 and magnitude-4.3 aftershocks were also reported.
The 7.2-magnitude quake was felt as far north as Santa Barbara, USGS seismologist Susan Potter said.
Strong shaking was reported in the Coachella Valley and Riverside. The earthquake rattled buildings on the west side of Los Angeles and in the San Fernando Valley, interrupting Easter dinners. Chandeliers swayed and wine jiggled in glasses.
In San Diego, there were reports of shattered windows, broken pipes and water main breaks in private buildings, but no reports of injuries, San Diego Fire-Rescue Department spokesman Maurice Luque said.
Coronado Bridge over San Diego Bay was briefly closed by the California Highway Patrol as a precaution.
In Los Angeles, water sloshed out of residential swimming pools, the city fire department went on "earthquake status," and some stalled elevators were reported. No major damage was reported in Los Angeles or San Diego.
One woman called firefighters and said she was stuck in an elevator descending from the 34th floor in a building in Century City, but there was no way to immediately know if the breakdown was tied the quake, Los Angeles firefighter Eric Scott said.
Los Angeles Department of Water and Power spokeswoman Maryanne Pierson said there were no power outages anywhere in the city.
"It sounds like it's felt by at least 20 million people at this point," Jones said. "Most of Southern California felt this earthquake."
The quake was felt for about 40 seconds in Tijuana, Mexico, causing buildings to sway and knocking out power in parts of the city. Families celebrating Easter ran out of the homes, with children screaming and crying.
Baja California state Civil Protection Director Alfredo Escobedo said there were no immediate reports of injuries or major damage. But he said the assessment was ongoing.
In Arizona, 3,369 customers in the Yuma area had a "relatively momentary outage" from the quake, Arizona Public Service Company spokesman Don Wool said.
Only about 70 people were still without service in the rural Gadsden and Summerton areas. But Wool said he expected electricity to be restored there in about two hours.
He said the tremor was enough "to trip open some breakers, but we were able to manually close those very quickly."
Clint Norred, a spokesman for the Yuma, Ariz., Police Department, said the quake was very strong there but he'd heard no reports of injuries or major damage.
"In my house, it knocked a couple of things off the wall," he said.
His home lost power for about 15 minutes.
Yuma gets tremors from time to time he said, but Sunday's was "probably one of the better ones that I can remember, and I was born and raised here."
In the Phoenix area, Jacqueline Land said her king-sized bed in her second-floor apartment felt like a boat gently swaying on the ocean.
"I thought to myself, 'That can't be an earthquake. I'm in Arizona,'" the Northern California native said.
Mike Wong, who works at a journalism school in downtown Phoenix, said he was in his second-floor office getting some work done Sunday afternoon when he heard sounds and felt the building start to sway.
"I heard some cracking sounds, like Rice Krispies," coming from the building, he said. "I didn't think much of it, but I kept hearing it, and then I started feeling a shake. I thought, 'You know what? I think that might be an earthquake."
Wong said the swaying lasted for "just a few seconds," and he didn't notice any damage.
An earthquake also hit in Northern California Sunday afternoon. The U.S. Geological Survey says a quake with a preliminary magnitude of 4.0 was recorded at 3:49 p.m. about 25 miles north of Santa Rosa.,
A dispatcher with the Sonoma County Sheriff's Department said the agency had not received any calls for service after the quake.
 
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The iPad arrived in Silicon Valley on Saturday with the usual Apple flourish: stores perfectly prepped for fired-up fans, some of whom waited in lines throughout the night to get their hands on the highly coveted tablet.
A number of Apple apostles did experience more than the thrill of holding a new shiny object: They got a serendipitous jolt of tech royalty. In San Jose, overnighters and early-risers got to hobnob with Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, who joined the pre-iPad vigil at 6 p.m. Friday at Valley Fair mall. In Palo Alto, Apple CEO Steve Jobs sauntered unannounced into the University Avenue store shortly before noon to drink in the scene.
Many in the crowd pulled out cameras and iPhones to capture the most magic of Silicon Valley moments. Jobs chatted with a handful of other shoppers, but even his 30-minute invasion did not get in the way of their serious business — the buying of and playing with new iPads.
Some in the tech industry question whether the iPad, and competing gadgets to be rolled out in coming months, will ever be more than a niche product. Others, though, see the mouse-less slender slab as an inflection point that could redefine the portable computer industry. The device, with its sensitive multitouch screen, allows users to access videos, book catalogs, newspapers and all that is on the Web with a swipe of a fingertip.
Amazing touch
Among the early iPad buyers was Dr. Kathy Corby, an emergency room physician from Hollister who made the 90-minute drive to Palo Alto to buy an iPad, though she had to start a 13-hour work shift later in the day.
"Have you touched one?" she said after being asked why she showed up at 7:30 a.m. at the Apple store. "It's going to change everything about how you live. You are going to be connected to everything. You are 30 seconds away from anything you need to know. It's really amazing."
Apple's powerful pull was on display Saturday as the company rolled out iPads that run on a Wi-Fi network and are priced starting at $499. The most expensive iPad, equipped to run on both Wi-Fi and 3G networks, sells for $829. The company is expected to start selling 3G iPads within a few weeks. Already, Wi-Fi iPads have popped on Craigslist; a 64-gigabyte version, for example, which retails for $699, had an asking price of $1,000.
Apple did not provide details of opening-day sales. But Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster, who had predicted that as many as 300,000 iPads would be sold this weekend, revised his numbers upward Saturday to between 600,000 and 700,000 units purchased on the first day. That contrasts with 270,000 iPhones sold during that product's initial launch.
In what has become a ritual, people lined up by the thousands across the country to get their iPads and be part of an Apple product launch.
Jason Slack-Moehrle and his wife, Annette, were the first in line outside Apple's Valley Fair store. The two showed up at 1 p.m. Friday. And they had company from the world's most famous Apple fan, Wozniak, No. 4 in line, who arrived at 6 p.m.
When the couple walked into the store, they were greeted by a gauntlet of cheering Apple employees. A little after 9 a.m., they emerged from the store flushed with excitement and carrying two iPads.
"We got them," Jason Slack-Moehrle said. "Yeah, it was awesome."
"It's a big rush," his wife said.
Twelve-year-old Joshua Elefteratos, who had pre-ordered his iPad, was first in line among those who had reserved their tablets. His father secured the top spot by showing up at midnight; Joshua joined him at 7:30 a.m.
As the two left the store 15 minutes after it opened, Joshua Elefteratos held his tablet over his head. "It's like I'm holding the Bible," the Saratoga boy said.
High-tech fame
For Parth Dhebar, a budding entrepreneur at age 15, the decision to show up so early was a business one. His Web site, www.simple-reviews.com, provides reviews of iPhone apps. With the arrival of the iPad, he has to expand his offerings.
"We need to expand to review iPad reviews," he said. "But without an iPad, we couldn't do that." Thus, Dhebar, who lives in Cupertino — "right next to Apple headquarters," he was quick to explain — lined up at the mall and, it turned out, in front of Wozniak, an "awesome experience."
The ever-buoyant Wozniak brought along his Segway, which he used to cruise the empty mall halls. "To me, the waiting in line is like reliving the days you waited in line for concert tickets in college," Wozniak said. "Yeah, I could easily arrange to get an iPad in different ways. But I like to do this like everybody else."
In Palo Alto, the presence of Apple guru Jobs gave everyone a brush with the highest of Silicon Valley high-tech fame.
Wearing a black hoodie and jeans, Jobs, who came with his wife, Laurene Powell-Jobs, and daughter, scanned the displays of tech goodies and watched Apple employees give iPad how-to demonstrations. And he drew amazed gazes from shoppers already expressing excitement overload.
"I love the iPad," one 20-something female shopper blurted out to Jobs. To which he happily replied, "Good!"

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Was quite a ride!

Poor Mexicali must have been rockin' and reelin'.

We all felt it here, felt like bodysurfing on dry land.... The house I where I am staying on vacation rolled up and down like a ship at sea, or like a woolly-bear caterpillar wriggling across the floor. No local damage that I've heard of yet.

Definitely an "E" ticket ride!

The earth moves because she's alive. :)
 
Did anyone feel the shake?

7.2 magnitude quake in Baja California shakes Los Angeles

Yep. Long Beach had a gentle but strong rolling motion for about 20-30 seconds. It was enough to know it was a strong one somewhere without being so much as to be anything to be excited over in these parts.


Mark A. Baker
 
Here's an interesting brief news report on reaction to Scientology from 1968:

I got into Scientology in April of 1968. 42 years ago. say..... I must be old by now!


I never lost sight of what was important. These videos are from around 1968. Californians look happier than the Brits around St. Hill Manor.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSS5xujeRaY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHga6V4VD8&playnext_from=TL&videos=DZhjRaYd_IQ&feature=grec
 
Heber

I just read the following, it made me sick to my stomach. It is not a pleasant read at all.


This is by Mike Rinder:

WHERE IS HEBER?

by Mike Rinder

After watching the AC 360 series many have wondered: “Where is Heber?” His absence was magnified by who Miscavige did send forth as cannon fodder to respond to his crimes: four obviously rehearsed ex-wives who made fools of themselves by repeating lines given to them by Miscavige and received unanimous derision on the AC 360 blog; “Teflon” Tommy Davis who has been caught in more lies than Baghdad Bob and looks more and more like (dare I say this, after he made such a big point about me selling cars for a living) a sleazy used car salesman; and a bored, disinterested looking NON Scientologist tax attorney there to field the “tough” questions about Scientology tech and policy that Tommy couldn’t handle. As everyone knows, Heber is far more accomplished, competent and likeable than any of Miscavige’s new puppets.

So, where is Heber? Why isn’t he out there representing the C of M?

The answer is simple: Miscavige hates Heber. He has said many times that Heber portrays the wrong image of “his” Church. Heber is too old (but not too old to send to the Hole….). Heber doesn’t feel the need to dress like a window mannequin for Barney’s. Heber is “stupid”. And Heber knows too much. Unlike Teflon Tommy, who was never at Int, Heber has not only witnessed Miscavige brand physical and mental abuse ™, he has experienced it firsthand. Miscavige cannot afford to put Heber front and center because he might just tell the truth. And I know how that goes – me having to lie to the BBC about Miscavige beating people was the straw that broke the camel’s back and I walked out while in London. (So much for me being removed from all positions of authority and kicked out by Miscavige when he found out all the terrible things I had done – I was the International Spokesperson for the Church and on the Board of CSI when I blew. It is true, I didn’t have a post – but then again NOBODY in management did, and it appears to be that way still as Guillaume Lesevre was presented at the “Barnum and Bailey” March 13th spectacle as “from International Management” rather than “ED International” because he hasn’t been on post for at least 5 years!).

Heber bore the brunt of much of Miscavige’s ire over the years. I have seen Miscavige strike Heber on at least 10 occasions. Miscavige had dolls made in the likeness of Heber (and me). These were very elaborate reproductions that looked like ventriloquists dolls. Miscavige would make Heber sit with the doll on his lap and Miscavige would address himself to the doll instead of talking to Heber directly. This was to demonstrate the “fact” that Miscavige thought Heber “wooden” and “unresponsive.” (Anyone who knows Heber can attest to how ridiculous this is). It is all part of Miscavige’s Joking & Degrading and constant denigration of people around him, especially those he considered were some form of threat (and Heber’s popularity with staff and public was a very real threat in Miscavige’s eyes).

The dolls were even flown to the UK for the IAS event where Heber endured endless cruel bullbaiting at the hands of Miscavige. I only saw Heber snap once, when after hours of Miscavige brand taunting and belittling ™, Miscavige squirted Heber’s face and glasses with contact lense fluid and then blew powdered coffee creamer into his face. This is the level of behavior of the so called “leader” of Scientology.

But that wasn’t all that happened at IAS event time. Heber, along with myself and Guillaume Lesevre were assigned to MEST work. It was surreal, donning a tuxedo to do an international event and then a boilersuit to do MEST work in the woods next to the Saint Hill Manor lake. And then being thrown fully clothed in the lake (in November). Miscavige then decided it wasn’t good enough to be “hidden” by the lake and moving us to do MEST work next to the Stables where all Saint Hill staff walked to eat their meals. It was there that Heber slipped on a log, fell and quite badly injured himself. Of course, Miscavige blamed that on Heber’s “out ethics”. (And just a final note on the UK, not really on topic – Guillaume Lesevre and I were assigned to clean the toilets and sweep the halls in AOSHUK , watched over by Security Guards – plenty of public witnessed this).

Heber is banned by Miscavige from making any public appearances and isn’t allowed to be in Int events any longer. So, he has become a “non-person” and is kept out of sight at the Int base.

Heber was the first person from outside the Int base to be sentenced to the Hole. He was there when I left in March 2007, and for all I know, is still there. I do know NOBODY has heard from him for years. And while he was in the Hole, regardless of his years of service and his progressing age, he was treated like everyone else: living in the CMO Int trailer along with 100 others, sleeping on the floor, eating standing up in an office with no tables and chairs and only leaving for 20 minutes once a day for a communal shower in the garage (unless DM was around, in which case some days there were no showers as nobody wanted to risk DM seeing the SPs in the Hole being frog-marched by security to the garage because it would “enturbulate” him – though he demanded daily reports to keep track of “juicy” admissions coerced out of people). Heber was stood in front of the 100 people and “forced” to confess (an activity which I am ashamed to say I took part in) and then derided about his Mormon upbringing and his relationships with other religious leaders (he was labeled a squirrel). Heber never complained though he was the most senior person in the Hole and the living conditions took a greater toll on him than anyone.

And like everyone else, he was not allowed to communicate with anyone outside the Hole at all. Not even his own family. And that for Heber was perhaps the hardest thing to endure. Anyone who knows Heber knows above all else his high communication level and how many friends he has made over many years. He is loved by so many because it is impossible to know him and not see the goodness in his heart and his real concern for the well-being of others. I believe the cutting of his comm lines was the greatest penalty Miscavige could impose on him.

And I must also note that while virtually every prominent executive left in Scientology has put their name on perjured declarations saying that all that has been exposed about Miscavige’s reign of terror ™ is lies, there has been no word from Heber. When you stoop to the bottom of the rotten barrel to trot out ex-wives to respond to allegations of mental and physical abuse by Miscavige, isn’t it odd that the person with perhaps the most credibility with Scientologists and with the media ISNT heard from?

So, why is he still there? Well, read the excellent blog by “Back to Life” recently posted on Scientology-cult which incisively explains the circumstances and mindset that keeps good people chained inside a bad scene. And beyond that, Heber is getting extra-special attention. Because of his popularity and credibility, he has to be kept out of sight. Imagine the nightmare for Miscavige if Heber was ever freed and able to speak his mind?

That is why you don’t see Heber.

And yes, something DOES need to be done about it. He is 76 years old, has served LRH and Scientology with distinction and dedication for many decades and in the winter of his body’s life should be living a peaceful existence, pursuing activities that give him pleasure.

So, if you have an opportunity, ask Scientologists, the media, law enforcement or anyone else who may have an interest: “Where is Heber Jentzsch, the President CSI?”
 

lkwdblds

Crusader
My experiences with Heber Jentzsch

When I first joined C of S in June, 1970 at the L.A. Org, Heber Jentzsch was on lines at Celebrity Centre, which was a brand new Org, having started around February of that year. Heber was dating Yvonne Gilham, the Commanding Officer of CCLA who was divorced from Peter Gilham. I first saw Heber at L.A. Org where he sang while playing a guitar. His theme song was "Has any body here seen my old friend Abaraham (Martin, Bobby and John)".

In October of that year, I was not happy at the L.A. Org and went to speak to Yvonne about transfering to CCLA where my Brother was on staff. The next day, Yvonne and Heber together walked over to the L.A. Org and retrieved my PC Folder from them and I was told that I was now on CCLA lines. That evening, as I walked up the walk to the Beacon St. house to get my first auditing session at CCLA, I passed Yvonne and Heber who both knew me by first name. Though I had never met Heber, he said to me in a very friendly tone of voice, "Hi Lakey, have a great session"! In late 1970 and early 1971 Heber would occasionally sing at "Poetry by Candlelight" which were live performances which were performed nightly at Celebrity Centre.

I joined CCLA staff as Sea Org in October of 1971 and after a couple of months joined Treasury Division. Heber was the Assistant Guardian for finance for CCLA for the new and powerful Guardian's Office which had recently started up. I had to work with him closely for several months. Every week, the Org had a Financial Planning meeting to allocate how the week's income was going to be meted out and spent. Early in 1972, our young Treasury Secretary, Robert Browne, announced he was leaving staff and I began attending the FP meetings in his place. When the FP was done, I had to meet with Heber to review it with him and we got to know each other quite well. We hit it off and I was very comfortable working with him. He never pulled rank on me or acted like he was better than me. After Heber approved the FP, I had to take it to our FBO (Flag Banking Officer), Chris Rutkowski. He was competent and intelligent as Heber was, but he was somewhat arrogant and aloof and treated my like a lackey or peon.

HEBER'S PPERSONALITY TRAITS anD MOTIVATIONS
Heber was a kind man, extremely natural and comfortable being himself. He made a person feel at ease and comfortable with him and he had pride in who he was but no arrogance whatsoever. He was a versatile man, besides having done acting in the movies, singing and dancing, he was well read and he had a knack for doing dialects, especially those of Germans, especially ex Nazi's, and could also do Soviet accents and others. He knew a lot about everything, sort of an encyclopedic mind similar to mine. HIS MOTIVATION - he told a story that in one of his early auditing sessions, he got pictures of nuclear bombs going off on his home planet of that time (this was supposed to be a back track incident). He had a realization that this was what was in store for planet Earth if people did not come forth and help Hubbard, whom Heber thought was the planet's last chance for salvation. AFTER HIS SESSION, HE IMMEDIATELY WENT TO THE SEA ORG RECRUITER AND SIGNED UP ON HIS OWN VOLITION AND GAVE UP HIS CAREER IN ENTERTAINMENT.

Heber got promoted from Assistant Guardian for Finance CCLA to Assistant Guardian for CCLA. After that I no longer worked with him on the weekly FP's. When the post of FBO opened up, he enthusiastically recommended me for the post. I was in Yvonne's "dog house" for a silly incident which happened months earlier and she and Rutkowski voted for someone else for the post while Heber voted for me. I lost the vote 2 to 1 but was proud that I had Heber's vote. After leaving CCLA in late 1973, I only saw him twice. Once was at a meeting at CCLA in 1981 where he was emcee and Cathy Lee Crosby was the featured speaker. I was so favorably impressed with Heber that he became my "bellweather" as to how I would react to things. When the Mayo group split off from Scientology, I was under pressure from my brother and also the Valerie Stansfield health center which I was attending to align myself with the Mayo group. I checked on what Heber was doing and he was remaining loyal to the C of S. For better or worse, I stayed in C of S based on what Heber was doing. It turned out that he made a mistake and I followed his lead and that was not a very smart move for either of us but it illustrates how much of an opinion leader he was for me.

After 1981, I did not see him again until the New Years Eve Celebration at the Shrine Auditorium in L.A. as 1998 turned to 1999. I saw him talking to some friends and just went over and waited in a small crowd surrounding him just to say hello. I wasn't even sure he would remember me but figured that he would. He saw me, stopped dead in his tracks and called out my name and came over and started shaking my hand vigorously. He mentioned that he had wondered what had happened to me and that he was so glad to see that I was still active in C of S. He introduced me to his wife and some other friends and we chatted for a minute or two about personal matters I retained my great feelings for him, now even more enhanced.

It was not until I saw him defend C of S in the Lisa Mc Pherson case on the video tapes which I watched on line perhaps two of three years ago, that my lofty image of him faltered. I also heard radio shows where he lied about the OT III materials and so forth. At age 76, giving his entire life to C of S for the last 42 years or so, it is a shame that such a kind and able man should be reduced to an object of torture and humiliation by Miscavige, a tyrant whom he has served loyally for the last 25 years.
Lakey
 
No surprise...

Carmelo, did you really not know about this until now? Are you really that out of touch with the current scene in COS management?

This is why folks are calling for a Federal Investigation of conditions at Int Base with search warrants served by SWAT officers, not the usual Disneyland tour Int management usually gives to authorities, when people and conditions are hidden from view until after the authorities leave!

Lakey, thanks for your reminiscences about Heber. I'm sure it would make him feel glad that he is not forgotten, and that people have fond thoughts of him and wish him well. I hope he can be liberated or can free himself while he has any health and quality of life left to him.

ALL of those people at Int Base are prisoners, even the guards...some are suffering more and in worse condition than others, but all are living in fear and misery. It's time for this insane and illegal mistreatment of people to stop, and for the law to put real ethics in at Int, as Int management seems incapable of doing so, and of reforming Scientology on it's own...

Are you listening OSA? Elder abuse is a CRIME! You are covering up crimes...you are working on behalf of a criminal organization that abuses its loyal members...WAKE UP! Take some responsibility for the conditions around you, and for the harm being done to members of the group you have vowed to support. This is not too steep a gradient for you to handle. Wake up and LOOK!
 
Carmelo, did you really not know about this until now? Are you really that out of touch with the current scene in COS management?

This is why folks are calling for a Federal Investigation of conditions at Int Base with search warrants served by SWAT officers, not the usual Disneyland tour Int management usually gives to authorities, when people and conditions are hidden from view until after the authorities leave!

Lakey, thanks for your reminiscences about Heber. I'm sure it would make him feel glad that he is not forgotten, and that people have fond thoughts of him and wish him well. I hope he can be liberated or can free himself while he has any health and quality of life left to him.

ALL of those people at Int Base are prisoners, even the guards...some are suffering more and in worse condition than others, but all are living in fear and misery. It's time for this insane and illegal mistreatment of people to stop, and for the law to put real ethics in at Int, as Int management seems incapable of doing so, and of reforming Scientology on it's own...

Are you listening OSA? Elder abuse is a CRIME! You are covering up crimes...you are working on behalf of a criminal organization that abuses its loyal members...WAKE UP! Take some responsibility for the conditions around you, and for the harm being done to members of the group you have vowed to support. This is not too steep a gradient for you to handle. Wake up and LOOK!

"I'm shocked , shocked, to find gambling is going on in here!"
-Captain Renault in the movie, "Casablanca"

Heber used to come to our house or center once in awhile and play his guitar and sing. I remember him singing the old New christy Minstrels' song, Tiptoe Through the Tulips and another folky tune "My Girl Friend's A Mule in the Mine."

He was an amiable guy.

For me, he sold his soul to the Devil in 1981. The lies he told to one's face or the lies he told to the camera were too much for the circumstances.

Nevertheless, he doesn't deserve this treatment. He should be released. He had 41 sisters and brothers (he had 13 mothers - he was Mormon born), most are probably still alive. It wouldn't be a bad thing to get a gang of Mormons hounding the Co$ for his release.
 
Bluesy...

Not just Mormons, but Mormon Missionaries! Those guys have energy, strength and purpose! :yes:

Never heard my girlfriend's a mule in a mine, but it sounds old and bluesy...

Thanks for sharing another happy memory of Heber.
 
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