The Little Thread Which Grew - the Apollo '73 to Everything But

[lkwdblds]

Quotes from an LRH Policy 23 May 1965

First, a quick reply to Blue Spirit, I believe that those who LRH had answer his mail developed into the LRH Comm Network which still exists as far as I know. Part of their hat was answering LRH's mail.

Second, I was cleaning out my office files and came across something I read in an HCO PL and was so taken with what it said, I wrote it out in pencil. It is really pertinent to some of the discussions we have been having lately so here it is. It has to do with people asking for rebates.

HCO PL 23 May 1965 - "We are selling actual salvage from death itself. Rebate. How silly. The person was lucky we were around at all and took an interest. We don't have to do anything for anybody. Remember that . We can lose interest in certain people too, you know." LRH

There you have it right from LRH's pen to your eyes, a non sugar coated look at what he really felt without any PR or social veneer attached to the communication. It is a rare look directly into LRH's mind.
Lakey

 

[Enthetan]

First, a quick reply to Blue Spirit, I believe that those who LRH had answer his mail developed into the LRH Comm Network which still exists as far as I know. Part of their hat was answering LRH's mail.

It was. At one point I took an interest in browsing through an LRH Comm hat pack that I found laying around (don't ask). One of the duties listed was to read the letter to Ron and compose a proposed reply, and attach it to the letter as it went uplines.

In the early 80's, the SO#1 unit was located in the Clearwater Bank Building near the Fort Harrison. I think it was on the second floor. It took up a fairly large space. Whenever I passed it, I could hear lots of typewriters pecking away.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

something some of us have wanted to do:


http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/mov...-kicks-tom-cruise-during-stunt-rehearsal.html

actually, I like this picture of Cameron Diaz better:

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

Dateline: where music meets movies

David Campbell's grandchild goes to a Lutheran school, not a Scio school.

hummmm!

They must have listened to Prairie Home Companion one too many times.

 

[Enthetan]

Of course, it wasn't a "them," it was L. Ron Hubbard; *he* flipped out.

At the time, that was UNTHINKABLE.

From one way of looking at it, the Mission Holders were expressing their loyalty to LRH and demanding that Management operate the way LRH intended. So LRH should not have been concerned.

From another way of looking at it, Mission Holders were expressing their loyalty to the PR front of LRH, rather than the real LRH, and demanding that Scn actually be run by the ideals that LRH espoused, rather than the reality of his orders. Which would have terrified the old con man.

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

EL Ron, The Leader

Until just past the first half of the ‘70s El Ron, Mary Sue, Scn’s Princess Di, Q (Quinton), Suzette and Arch (Arthur Ronald Coleman Hubbard) berthed and worked—along with LRH Personal Office Staff and Commodores Staff Aides (CS-1, CS-2, etc.)—in a relatively tiny amount of square footage occupying the 3 Midships Upper Decks on the Apollo. The Engineers were mostly quartered on the Bridge Decks, Forward section of those 3 Decks.

Well over half of that space was taken up by El Ron, the Family and Hisself’s and Mary Sue’s Personal Staff and, of that space, well over half of it was taken up by El Ron and his Personal Office Staff. From these modest quarters (which were elegant and spacious compared to what the rest of the Crew endured) all of the Empire was “operated” under the guiding hand and watchful eye of El Ron, “The Leader”. The linear proximity to El Ron, Hisself’s Family, Personal Office Staff and Senior Management Staff was never before, or after, so close. “Walls have ears” and on a ship with berthing and private office space as compacted as was those 3 decks, those ears were very large. El Ron had a “loud mouth” and was an accomplished “Drama Queen”.

You could “live a lifetime in a day” on those 3 decks. You lived and worked in a world that was, in essence, not only a world apart from the World but a world apart from the rest of your Shipmates. Although Spartan and cramped, your berthing, working quarters, and all-around living conditions (they had portholes and windows!) were much better than all the folks “down below”. No one from the Crew ever showed their face on the upper two Midships Decks unless they had a good reason to be there. The 3rd Deck Aft (B Deck) also had the Officers and Execs Dining Room.

Most of the folks on the 3 Midships Upper Decks (MUD’s) were on the “Commodore’s Schedule”. You rose before or when El Ron rose and you secured when or after Hisself secured. However, you didn’t get to take a nap or stroll whenever you wanted like El Ron…unless you were stealthy. From the moment El Ron woke to the moment he slept every person on the MUD’s was on their own personal “alert”.

Every moment that El Ron was awake was a vortex of randomness from whatever Hisself needed, felt or “had to have” NOW! El Ron’s “mood/valence de jour” Hisself’s transiently oscillated with whatever was currently “on Hisself’s plate”. The closer proximity you were to El Ron the more palpable was the psychological and emotional “ebb and flow” of the day. Regardless of your proximity the “atmosphere” on the MUD’s was tangible and every breath taken could see a Messenger at your door.

Vet’s of the MUD’s could often devine by the walk and demeanor of a passing Messenger the timbre what that particular moments mood and message was. Thus went the day as even when dining a Messenger could appear and, as happened once to your's truly, head straight over to you. Sometimes you could hear the bellows—angry, jovial, gleeful, in pain, etc.—as El Ron, The Leader, navigated Hisself’s way through the “insane” universe that was El Ron’s lot to try and “salvage” us from—or at least so Hisself told of in the “Scriptures”.

Every thing had to happen NOW! If you were promoted to a MUD’s level position you reported ready for duty post haste. If you were busted from a MUD’s level position within a blink of your bloodshot, throbbing eyes the Berthing I/C was at the door, or inside, your treasured “room with a view” which, like your ass, was gone within a heartbeat. The only respite, save for Hisself's slumber, was when El Ron was off the Ship convalescing, hiding or riding one of his Hobby Horses

I read with fascination the “image” of El Ron, The Leader, that Marty and his fellow Int “Insiders” portray of Hisself. After the old days aboard the Apollo El Ron interacted “buffered” and in “takes” with all but a few. Marty and posse never lived and worked on the MUD’s. The Hana’s, Laurel’s, Tonya’s, et al know and told the real score.

An insight, in part, into the Model for El Ron, The Leader can be gleaned from watching the flick, “A Face in the Crowd”, Directed by Elia Kazan and Written by Bud Schulberg, with stunning portrayals by Andy Griffith and Patricia Neal (and yes, that’s partly why Ole Face here took the moniker, afaceinthecrowd).

“Lonesome” Rhodes mind melds with Elmer Gantry...that, in part, was El Ron, The Leader. I’ll explore that that in a day or so.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Too Cool!

Phil Spickler has consented to a videotaped interview.

It is probably going to be done by someone, who has known him for some time - someone who has been hired and fired by Phil, who has punched Phil out, been punched by Phil, has audited Phil, been audited by Phil, has advised Phil and been advised by Phil. In short, the interview is going to be no holds barred regarding Scientology, LRH, Dianetics, auditing, etc. Family is off limits. Please don't mention his family member's names in your replies.

Phil got involved with Dianetics in the very early 1950s. It changed his life. He worked as a civil engineer building airports and missile silos while also auditing and getting auditing. He was among the first hundred or so Clears at St. Hill. he fired Mary Sue Hubbard from a post at FCDC. He was fired by Mary Sue's husband somewhat later.

He had successful centers in Florida, Detroit, and Palo Alto. His PCs have included many of the early 1970s San Francisco 49er football team (including the quarterback, wide receiver, and tight end) , many folk from SRI's remote viewing group, various Stanford professors, some very high level Mafiosi, business tycoons, some actors (one of whom is still associated with the Co$).

He sold his center in the late 70s, got some auditing at Flag, and walked away from the Co$.

He has been sailing, working, playing tennis, golfing, bicycling, hiking, and auditing ever since then. He writes a fair amount on the IVy Magazine list. He's in his late 70s or early 80s. He plays tennis with 40 year olds. He works most days of the week. In short, he is in good shape.

What questions would you ask him?

Remember don't mention his family in your post. Google is unforgiving.

WOW! Very nice, Carmelo.

I never met Phil but by Rep and Results he was someone that I would have loved to be holding the cans with him on the others side of the meter shield.

Sounds like the interviewer is no rank amateur, either.

When do you need our Q's by?

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

This is good.

This is TOO RICH an opportunity to miss out. I'd LOVE to be a part of the audience. I've wanted to meet Phil for years.

See if he'll go along with multiple interviews. I'd like to hear him go on at length about various aspects of his scientology history:

e.g.

A. Initial involvement with scientology
B. his training as an Auditor
C. Interesting "case histories" he's encountered as an auditor - any personally identifying details removed of course.
D. his personal experiences with L.Ron Hubbard
E. Involvement with the orgs & GO
F. Involvement with the missions & mission holders
G. his personal experiences with other "notables", e.g. MSH, Mayo, Roos, Walter, CBR, etc.
H. His recollections from the events directly surrounding the Mission Holder's conference
I. His recollections of the Independent Field in the early 80's
J. His own recent activities & post-Co$ history

Phil's comments on each of the above just for starters would make fascinating videos.


Mark A. Baker
p.s. similars with Ken Urquhart, & David Mayo would also all be very desirable.

I llike this list.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Veda, I highlighted in red the last sentence of your first paragraph. I have several questions about this statement. It seems to be me he also did not like or respect most non Scientologists as well. Do you agree with that? If that is true, then he did not like or respect people in general.

The thought occurred to me that perhaps Scientologists were unworthy of his respect because he considered them fools for falling for his self created scriptures, mainly made up to dupe people and get their money. If this is correct, then he would tend to respect certain non Scientologists more just by virtue of them not falling for his made up religion.

Pursuing this thought a little further, if a Scientologist began to see through Hubbard's schemes and sometimes act independently of Hubbard, you would think that person would gain a measure of Hubbard's respect but that seems to not be the case. If someone boldly stood up with great integrity and did not follow Hubbard's party line, rather than earning a measure of respect, that person was immediately offloaded. In this manner, the game was rigged as a lose-lose game. If you play ball with Hubbard, you lose his respect, because you allowed yourself to be duped and if you confront Hubbard on equal terms and refuse to be duped, he does not want you around and he blackens your name with false charges and dismisses you.

Wouldn't this be the possible behavior pattern of narcissists in general? It is a construct of how the world looks as seen through the eyes of a person who is an "only one" or a "Source". Both the sheep, who are there to follow, and the renegades who are Innovaters and are made of tougher fiber, are there solely to be used by the "Only One". The sheep flow admiration, adulation, money and power to "the Source" while the Innovators can be used as sounding boards to test new ideas on and are kept around as long as they Innovate and add to and reinforce the Scriptures of "Source". By the very definition of "Source", there is room for only "Source" at the top and "Source" must remain aloof and have no "Vice Source" exist. Source knows that every Innovator will be dismissed at some point when his or her usefullness has been used up. It is interesting to see which innovators lasted the longest. Mayo, Urquhart, Yvonne - somewhere around 15 to 20 years for them. Kemp thought he was still LRH's friend, long after LRH got rid of him.

Finally, a word about those that would not join his game in the first place. Not joining in no way earns them a measure of respect. Rather than admire them for figuring out the game is rigged and not signing on, Source looks at them as broken pieces in a game, too damaged to even realize there is a game going on.

Finally, Source gives names to his creations, names which are 180 degrees the reverse of what those creations really signify. Scientology is called, "The Only Game In the Universe Where Everyone Wins." although it is rigged as a lose-lose game. The Flag Land Base is called the "Friendliest Place in the World." When you get there, there is a feeling of being in a Military compound where your every move and utterance is being monitored. It is assumed that you are an enemy of the compound and that you are incapable of keeping in your own ethics and you must be forced to walk a straight and narrow path or you are doomed. The "Bridge" is called the "Bridge to Total Freedom" and yet it leads to a condition of total slavery and subservience to a Source, be it Hubbard or DM.
Lakey

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

It's a nice day for a walk

We on this thread seem to be like a rolling stone gathering more moss and momentum. Experiencing so many new revelations in the last 3 or 4 weeks, to then pick up yet further inside information from Phil Spickler would be a momentous experience. I was offered an opportunity to get acquainted with Phil around last August, when this thread was just starting to pick up steam. I wasn't up for such a challenge at that point but I am now.

Solving the riddle of LRH, the subjects 0f Dianetics and Scientology and the Church of Scientology is a large undertaking. This is especially true because from the start those subjects were designed so as not to be understandable or comprehend by anyone other than the elite insiders.

A tremendous amount of information is available on those subjects in books and on the internet. Judicious study and processing of all of that information yields a lot of knowledge and much of the riddles are solved. Studying the various materials will eventually lead one to a blank wall with seemingly no more to be found out. Perhaps a searcher has found 70% of what he is looking for. Can any more ever be found out?

SOURCES WHICH NO LONGER EXIST
I know Omar Garrison wrote a final LRH biography. The C of S did not want it published and bought out Garrison and threw the manuscript into the fire. I always hoped that somehow, Garrison or Armstrong or somebody had saved a copy of the manuscript which would one day surface. Maybe even DM had a copy printed before he threw the manuscript into the fire. I would say that the chances of a surviving copy of that biography are virutally zero.

Then there is Mary Sue Hubbard, she could have written a book and decided not to do so. Probably she signed off with the C of S that she would never write a book or reveal any inside information and I believe she lived her last years under a Sea Org guard in her own house so nothing will ever be forthcoming from that channel.

The last source for new information then, are the insider's who worked with LRH in person. Face's appearance on this thread has shown what new information an insider can reveal. I feel his presence here has increased my understanding of events from 70% comprehension to beyond 80%. Then as Blue pointed out, Michel from Lake Como, Italy briefly appeared and we picked up stats and data about the current scene as regards Solo NOTs at Flag. An amazing increase in our knowledged occurred from him.

And so it goes, it is apparent that any new information forthcoming will be received from those who worked at or near the top in the earlier days. This is one reason why hearing a Phil Spickler interview tape poses such an exciting anticipation of learning more.
Lakey

Lakey,

I agree with you re Phil, the Riddle and Sources.

Regarding me...Thank you...I’m glad what I have to add has been of help to you. All I’m doing is following a trail that was cut by some very good and gutsy folks and I’m just trying to help “maintain and spruce-up a little”, as best I can, the trail for any others passing this way, just has been done for me. I’ve still got a ways to walk, like you, but the sun is out, the scent of the trees and flowers intoxicating and the forest is abuzz with life.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Yes!

From one way of looking at it, the Mission Holders were expressing their loyalty to LRH and demanding that Management operate the way LRH intended. So LRH should not have been concerned.

From another way of looking at it, Mission Holders were expressing their loyalty to the PR front of LRH, rather than the real LRH, and demanding that Scn actually be run by the ideals that LRH espoused, rather than the reality of his orders. Which would have terrified the old con man.

I agree.

Face

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Re: Veda

I think so too.

Me twee.

 

[thetanic]

This is TOO RICH an opportunity to miss out. I'd LOVE to be a part of the audience. I've wanted to meet Phil for years.

See if he'll go along with multiple interviews. I'd like to hear him go on at length about various aspects of his scientology history:

e.g.

A. Initial involvement with scientology
B. his training as an Auditor
C. Interesting "case histories" he's encountered as an auditor - any personally identifying details removed of course.
D. his personal experiences with L.Ron Hubbard
E. Involvement with the orgs & GO
F. Involvement with the missions & mission holders
G. his personal experiences with other "notables", e.g. MSH, Mayo, Roos, Walter, CBR, etc.
H. His recollections from the events directly surrounding the Mission Holder's conference
I. His recollections of the Independent Field in the early 80's
J. His own recent activities & post-Co$ history

Phil's comments on each of the above just for starters would make fascinating videos.


Mark A. Baker
p.s. similars with Ken Urquhart, & David Mayo would also all be very desirable.

I'd also like to hear about his observations in change of the feel of the CofS over the years based on his experiences and observation of others.

Yes, we've heard a lot of stories about that, but not Phil's.

Very excited to hear this interview, and if there's an audience, I'd love to be there.

 

[lkwdblds]

A few words about some gutsy folks plus a song....

Lakey,

I agree with you re Phil, the Riddle and Sources.

Regarding me...Thank you...I’m glad what I have to add has been of help to you. All I’m doing is following a trail that was cut by some very good and gutsy folks and I’m just trying to help “maintain and spruce-up a little”, as best I can, the trail for any others passing this way, just has been done for me. I’ve still got a ways to walk, like you, but the sun is out, the scent of the trees and flowers intoxicating and the forest is abuzz with life.

Face

Following in Carmelo's wisened footsteps, and having just learned how easy it is to insert songs into one's posts, I put up the following little ditty for some of the regulars on this thread who appreciate all the fine material appearing here lately:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGsSAysEEug&feature=related

Now that the song is up, I want to mention a couple of "gutsy" people who were our forebearers. First and foremost is Stacy Brooks Young. The courage she showed in being involved in a leadership role in the Lisa Mc Pherson Trust was exemplary. Her video interviews, such as with the Barnes and Woodcraft families are the stuff legends are made of. What a trooper she is!!! Also, her now deceased huband Robert Vaughan Young was a brilliant journalist and for a long time was a contributor to C of S, with his many talents. When he finally left the organization, he was courageous in his opposition to C of S and wrote several early, circa late 90's write ups about goings on in the church which are now classics. The man was bright and had a flair for writing. Has anyone got any other gutsy critics they would care to mention? Robert Dam has a great website on C of S but he seems to have quit creating it about 2 years ago and now some of the information has gotten stale dated. Our recent friend Michel, from Italy is not an old timer but he was of the same ilk as RVY and Stacy as far as I'm concerned.
Also, I liked the non Scientologist, Omar Garrison. He was a gutsy and honest investigative reporter who had a penchant to uncover and publish truths.
Lakey

 

[SweetnessandLight]

2000 posts, and boy are my fingers tired!

Freedom rocks!!!

Just making my 2,000th post here on Lakey's thread, with a big thanks to everyone who contributes to this board. We're doing good work!

Really enjoy reading everyone's input, stories, thoughts...all of it.

Keep up the good work, guys!

 

[lkwdblds]

A song for those who like to help

I don't know who wrote the hyrics to the following song but it expresses perfectly what I thought I was getting into when I joined the Sea Org and particularly when I was shipped to the Apollo. I needed help, I wanted to help. LRH promised us help and said that our help was acceptable to him. Music can sometimes say things much more fully than words alone and so it is with this timeless classic sung by Bill Withers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaVXfHZv50Y

If our supposedly totally messed up society could produce a song with the lyrics and music of this song, there is still hope for us here.
Lakey
P.S. - I looked it up and it appears Withers wrote the lyrics and the melody. It was his only number one hit. He was a one hit wonder.

 

[CarmeloOrchards]

from Business Week

5 Ways to Ensure Mediocrity in Your Organization
by Liz Ryan
Monday, May 17, 2010



The recession is no excuse for ignoring, misusing, or demeaning talent. But hey, if that's what you really want to do, follow these suggestions.

The last time I checked, the U.S. led the world in productivity per employee. That's the good news. The bad news is that much, if not all, of that boost in productivity has come on the backs of workers, especially salaried types viewed by too many management teams as infinitely elastic resources. As one management consultant told me: "The average company takes better care of its copiers than it does its talent."

Many chief executives use the tough competitive environment as a handy excuse to put off salary increases, tighten the screws on performance, and generally drop any pretense of creating a human-centered workplace. But the tough-economy picture has two sides. Only those companies that make the effort to keep their employees productive by treating them decently can expect to see continued productivity gains. Much of the workforce has tuned out, waiting for a more welcoming job market to make career moves. Those organizations that haven't wavered on their commitments to flexibility, recognition of talent, and transparent leadership will keep A-list players on board as the job market improves. Their competitors may be wishing they'd paid a little more attention to employee TLC as employees start peeling off for greener pastures.

Here are five of the most insulting leadership practices, the ones that virtually guarantee a business will end up with the most self-esteem challenged, optionless team members when the dust settles.

1. If you desire a mediocre workforce, make sure your employees know you don't trust them.

Nothing spells "You're dirt to us" like a corporate culture that screams, "We don't trust you as far as we can throw you." I refer to company policies that require employees to clock in and out for lunch or software that tracks every keystroke and change of URL in case a molecule of nonwork-related activity squeaks into the workday. When employees know they're not trusted, they become experts at "presenteeism"—the physical appearance of working, without anything getting done. Congratulations! Your inability to trust the very people you've selected to join your team has cost you their energy, goodwill, and great ideas.

2. If you want to drive talented people away, don't tell them when they shine.

Fear of a high-self-esteem employee is prevalent among average-grade corporate leadership teams. Look how hard it is for so many managers to say, "Hey Bob, you did a great job today." Maybe it's a fear that the bit of praise will be met with a request for a pay raise. Maybe it's the fear that acknowledging performance will somehow make the manager look weak. Whatever the reason for silence, leaders who can't say, "Thanks—good going!" can plan on bidding farewell to their most able team members in short order.

3. If you prefer a team of C-list players, keep employees in the dark.

Sharp knowledge workers want to know what's going on in their organizations, beyond their departmental silos. They want some visibility into the company's plans and their own career mobility. Leaders who can't stand to shine a light on their firms' goals, strategies, and systems are all but guaranteed to spend a lot of money running ads on Monster.com. Marketable top performers want a seat at the table and won't stand for being left in the dark without the information they need to do their jobs well.

4. If you value docility over ingenuity, shout it from the rooftops.

I heard from a new MBA who had joined a global manufacturer. "They told me during my first week that I need a manager's signature to organize a meeting," he recalled. "They said I'm too low-level to call a meeting on my own, because unauthorized meetings of nonmanagers are against company policy." How fearful of its employees would a leadership team have to be to forbid people to gather together to solve problems? The most desirable value creators won't stick around to be treated like children. They'll hop a bus to the first employer who tells them, "We're hiring you for your talent—now go do something brilliant."

5. If you fear an empowered workforce more than you fear the competition, squash any sign of individualism.

When you go to college, you learn about Economic Man, but in the corporate workplace we see that real people don't always act rationally. Lots of individual managers and plenty of leadership teams fear nothing more than the idea that a self-directed employee might buck authority. That's equivalent to shaking the organizational power structure to its foundation, possibly a fate worse than death. Leaders who want the most docile, sheep-like employees more than the smartest and ablest ones create systems to keep the C players on board and drive the A team out the door. They do it by instituting reams of pointless rules, upbraiding people for miniscule infractions ("What? Twenty minutes late? Sure you worked here until midnight last night, but starting time is starting time.") and generally replacing trust with fear throughout their organizations. Companies that operate in fear mode will never deliver great products and services to the marketplace. Their efforts will be hamstrung by their talent-repelling management practices.

How long will it take these enterprises to figure out they're shooting themselves in the foot? It doesn't matter—you'll be long gone by then.

Liz Ryan is an expert on the new-millennium workplace and a former Fortune 500 HR executive

 

[Mark A. Baker]

5 Ways to Ensure Mediocrity in Your Organization
by Liz Ryan
Monday, May 17, 2010


The last time I checked, the U.S. led the world in productivity per employee. That's the good news. ...

It's also a claim I consider to be most likely a "false report".

Most of the people I know or have known working in the u.s. are being required by their employers to work unpaid overtime or to otherwise game their reported labor hours so as to be substantially less than their actual hours. It's a very widespread phenomenon throughout the u.s.. It also clearly results in under-reporting of labor expenditures with a subsequent over-reporting of "productivity".

Given the many other reported differences in "efficiencies" between the u.s. & other industrialized nations, it raises questions as to just who does have the "most efficient overall economic system" and who is "drinking Kool-aid".


Mark A. Baker

 

[afaceinthecrowd]

Re: Mary Sue

Mark A.,

Over the next week I hope to complete the last few posts regarding my “Reader’s Digest” Treatment. Part of the subject matter will include the El Ron “Mary Sue Factor”. My thoughts are predicated from personal interaction with El Ron, Mary Sue and personal observation of El Ron and Mary Sue in interaction. This will also be predicated on information I have from very reliable, very “insider” first person accounts re: same. Finally, they will be my opinion and what I personally think from the foregoing and what I know and have studied of the History of Scn as an organization, and from the study of tons of Scn “Admin/Management ‘Tech’”.

As my statements to date re: Mary Sue contradict information that you have, I again ask for guidance from you as to where I can view that information. I’m not challenging you…I’m curious and wish to learn and be exposed to other’s “take” that personally knew Mary Sue, too.

Thanks,

Face

 

[cakemaker]

Phil Spickler has consented to a videotaped interview.

It is probably going to be done by someone, who has known him for some time - someone who has been hired and fired by Phil, who has punched Phil out, been punched by Phil, has audited Phil, been audited by Phil, has advised Phil and been advised by Phil. In short, the interview is going to be no holds barred regarding Scientology, LRH, Dianetics, auditing, etc. Family is off limits. Please don't mention his family member's names in your replies.

Phil got involved with Dianetics in the very early 1950s. It changed his life. He worked as a civil engineer building airports and missile silos while also auditing and getting auditing. He was among the first hundred or so Clears at St. Hill. he fired Mary Sue Hubbard from a post at FCDC. He was fired by Mary Sue's husband somewhat later.

He had successful centers in Florida, Detroit, and Palo Alto. His PCs have included many of the early 1970s San Francisco 49er football team (including the quarterback, wide receiver, and tight end) , many folk from SRI's remote viewing group, various Stanford professors, some very high level Mafiosi, business tycoons, some actors (one of whom is still associated with the Co$).

He sold his center in the late 70s, got some auditing at Flag, and walked away from the Co$.

He has been sailing, working, playing tennis, golfing, bicycling, hiking, and auditing ever since then. He writes a fair amount on the IVy Magazine list. He's in his late 70s or early 80s. He plays tennis with 40 year olds. He works most days of the week. In short, he is in good shape.

What questions would you ask him?

Remember don't mention his family in your post. Google is unforgiving.

I would love to hear from Phil his stories about who developed which aspects of the tech. From what I've read, there are many unsung heroes and unacknowledged contributors of key Scientology techniques and/or philosophy.